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oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

abacomike said:

I am seriously looking at a G80 V8 Ultra. My budget allows for a $600 monthly payment with $2000 - $3000 due at signing. My thoughts are that they provide no-cost maintenance for 3 years and an extended warranty.

I won't be ready until the Fall of 2020 so I could be getting into a 2021 - depends on timing.

Are you following the leasing info on Edmunds for the G80?
https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/comment/5827068/#Comment_5827068

Interesting difference in money factor between models. 3.2% vs .48% depending on trim level. I assume this reflects which ones they are trying to push at the moment.

abacomike

28firefighter said:

graphicguy said:

Leasing gurus....how does the Genesis G70s 3.3T lease out? Good deal...bad deal?

Poorly historically. High 400s if you’re lucky. Mostly into the 500s. Haven’t checked recently though.

I am seriously looking at G80 V8

jmonroe said:

abacomike said:

28firefighter said:

graphicguy said:

Leasing gurus....how does the Genesis G70s 3.3T lease out? Good deal...bad deal?

Poorly historically. High 400s if you’re lucky. Mostly into the 500s. Haven’t checked recently though.

I am seriously looking at a G80 V8 Ultra. My budget allows for a $600 monthly payment with $2000 - $3000 due at signing. My thoughts are that they provide no-cost maintenance for 3 years and an extended warranty.

I won't be ready until the Fall of 2020 so I could be getting into a 2021 - depends on timing.

WOW, $600 a month !! I could never get away with a monthly like that. I remember paying cash for a couple cars because I didn't want to give Mrs. j monthly reminders that I bought a car she didn't think I needed.

FWIW, I hope you change your mind about buying a wannabe. Why do you want to steal some of my thunder ? What did I ever do to you. :@

jmonroe

Actually, I have so much respect for you that the fact that you drive a Genesis is enough for me to be interested!😜

abacomike

imidazol97 said:

abacomike said:

I am seriously looking at a G80 V8 Ultra. My budget allows for a $600 monthly payment with $2000 - $3000 due at signing. My thoughts are that they provide no-cost maintenance for 3 years and an extended warranty.

I won't be ready until the Fall of 2020 so I could be getting into a 2021 - depends on timing.

Are you following the leasing info on Edmunds for the G80?
https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/comment/5827068/#Comment_5827068

No I haven't but I am out to deal in the Fall - and I usually get what I want! 🤪😜

imidazol97

abacomike said:

imidazol97 said:

abacomike said:

I am seriously looking at a G80 V8 Ultra. My budget allows for a $600 monthly payment with $2000 - $3000 due at signing. My thoughts are that they provide no-cost maintenance for 3 years and an extended warranty.

I won't be ready until the Fall of 2020 so I could be getting into a 2021 - depends on timing.

Are you following the leasing info on Edmunds for the G80?
https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/comment/5827068/#Comment_5827068

No I haven't but I am out to deal in the Fall - and I usually get what I want! 🤪😜

Just make sure it has a back up camera. Lack of one causes all kinds of frustrations. I'm going to make sure even my next dishwasher has one.

abacomike

imidazol97 said:

abacomike said:

imidazol97 said:

abacomike said:

I am seriously looking at a G80 V8 Ultra. My budget allows for a $600 monthly payment with $2000 - $3000 due at signing. My thoughts are that they provide no-cost maintenance for 3 years and an extended warranty.

I won't be ready until the Fall of 2020 so I could be getting into a 2021 - depends on timing.

Are you following the leasing info on Edmunds for the G80?
https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/comment/5827068/#Comment_5827068

No I haven't but I am out to deal in the Fall - and I usually get what I want! 🤪😜

Just make sure it has a back up camera. Lack of one causes all kinds of frustrations. I'm going to make sure even my next dishwasher has one.

I am shopping for a back-up camera for my derrière (tushy) for late night visits to the bathroom! 😜🤪😜🤪😜🤪

jmonroe

abacomike said:

28firefighter said:

graphicguy said:

Leasing gurus....how does the Genesis G70s 3.3T lease out? Good deal...bad deal?

Poorly historically. High 400s if you’re lucky. Mostly into the 500s. Haven’t checked recently though.

I am seriously looking at G80 V8

jmonroe said:

abacomike said:

28firefighter said:

graphicguy said:

Leasing gurus....how does the Genesis G70s 3.3T lease out? Good deal...bad deal?

Poorly historically. High 400s if you’re lucky. Mostly into the 500s. Haven’t checked recently though.

I am seriously looking at a G80 V8 Ultra. My budget allows for a $600 monthly payment with $2000 - $3000 due at signing. My thoughts are that they provide no-cost maintenance for 3 years and an extended warranty.

I won't be ready until the Fall of 2020 so I could be getting into a 2021 - depends on timing.

WOW, $600 a month !! I could never get away with a monthly like that. I remember paying cash for a couple cars because I didn't want to give Mrs. j monthly reminders that I bought a car she didn't think I needed.

FWIW, I hope you change your mind about buying a wannabe. Why do you want to steal some of my thunder ? What did I ever do to you. :@

jmonroe

Actually, I have so much respect for you that the fact that you drive a Genesis is enough for me to be interested!😜

OK @Mike, I have my waders on now and I await your next post.

jmonroe

cdnpinhead

Lack of one causes all kinds of frustration entertainment..

And the beat goes on.

venture

I have a question for those of you who work from home exclusively, or almost exclusively.

Do you have a place at your office building (assuming there is one) and, if so, do you have to report there periodically?

The reason I ask is that my son works for Earths largest defense contractor and works from home. They live in MD and expressed an interest in moving back closer to family. I was wondering how that worked.

cdnpinhead

At one time Honeywell was all-in for work-from-home, and they had a huge contingent of people who did field service, supplier development and other functions for whom it was the only reasonable choice. Even those of us who were nominally assigned a desk in a cube, but did mostly internet meetings and/or travel, were "allowed" to work remotely. All that ended about four years ago, and everyone had to show up daily at a site, even if they never had to do so before. Chaos ensued, from the point of view of the employees affected; it was all good for those who just wanted to eliminate employees in North America. If you weren't willing to commute 80 miles a day when you'd never had to before, you were "let go."

Then, of course, there's the politics. If you aren't on-site to have "face time" with whomever needs to have their hem kissed, that can be a factor as well.

No, I'm not bitter, not at all. I started in 1968 and left in 2018, and all but the last few years were pretty decent.

explorerx4

My wife is working from home 95% of the time.
There is still 'hotel space' in the office she used to go to every day.

explorerx4

If the police were observing the rules, don't endanger the general public, 60 mph may have been fast enough.

28firefighter

I am from home 99.5% of the time. I go into the local office only for administrative stuff. I can reserve a desk or office if I need it. But I rarely do. My whole team is remote and not located in Seattle, so no point in going in.

venture

cdnpinhead said:

At one time Honeywell was all-in for work-from-home, and they had a huge contingent of people who did field service, supplier development and other functions for whom it was the only reasonable choice. Even those of us who were nominally assigned a desk in a cube, but did mostly internet meetings and/or travel, were "allowed" to work remotely. All that ended about four years ago, and everyone had to show up daily at a site, even if they never had to do so before. Chaos ensued, from the point of view of the employees affected; it was all good for those who just wanted to eliminate employees in North America. If you weren't willing to commute 80 miles a day when you'd never had to before, you were "let go."

Then, of course, there's the politics. If you aren't on-site to have "face time" with whomever needs to have their hem kissed, that can be a factor as well.

No, I'm not bitter, not at all. I started in 1968 and left in 2018, and all but the last few years were pretty decent.

So it could change at any time. Good to know.

He used to go in a lot, but it didn't seem to matter so he stopped. I told him a few years ago, when he was still relatively new, that when it was time for a promotion they may be more inclined to promote someone the have actually seen - in person. That didn't seem to matter either.

venture

explorerx4 said:

My wife is working from home 95% of the time.
There is still 'hotel space' in the office she used to go to every day.

Is she rquired to go in or does she just do it occasionally?

venture

28firefighter said:

I am from home 99.5% of the time. I go into the local office only for administrative stuff. I can reserve a desk or office if I need it. But I rarely do. My whole team is remote and not located in Seattle, so no point in going in.

That sounds exactly what he said. Now it's the 0.5%... I guess he could drive the 3 hours occasionally if absolutely necessary.

They just had their second son and it would be great to have them back home.

imidazol97

abacomike said:

I am shopping for a back-up camera for my derrière (tushy) for late night visits to the bathroom! 😜🤪😜🤪😜🤪

That paints quite a word picture in my mind.

28firefighter

venture said:

28firefighter said:

I am from home 99.5% of the time. I go into the local office only for administrative stuff. I can reserve a desk or office if I need it. But I rarely do. My whole team is remote and not located in Seattle, so no point in going in.

That sounds exactly what he said. Now it's the 0.5%... I guess he could drive the 3 hours occasionally if absolutely necessary.

They just had their second son and it would be great to have them back home.

To your point about growth and promotions, it has not hindered my opportunity at all.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

Hey driver100, if you really want another car why not try this place right across Tampa Bay in Largo? You can get from A to B but not C.

https://youtu.be/bNNSgadhCOc

I like their attitude....being honest. I wonder if that Alero has a backup camera?

explorerx4

@venture,
My wife is not required to go into the office, although wasn't forced to leave it either.
We have a dedicated office in our house, so it's finally getting used for that after 20+ years.

jmonroe

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Hey driver100, if you really want another car why not try this place right across Tampa Bay in Largo? You can get from A to B but not C.

https://youtu.be/bNNSgadhCOc

I like their attitude....being honest. I wonder if that Alero has a backup camera?

Wouldn't be surprised if it did. Seems like only wannabe luxo's don't have them.

jmonroe

driver100

abacomike said:

28firefighter said:

graphicguy said:

Leasing gurus....how does the Genesis G70s 3.3T lease out? Good deal...bad deal?

Poorly historically. High 400s if you’re lucky. Mostly into the 500s. Haven’t checked recently though.

I am seriously looking at a G80 V8 Ultra. My budget allows for a $600 monthly payment with $2000 - $3000 due at signing. My thoughts are that they provide no-cost maintenance for 3 years and an extended warranty.

I won't be ready until the Fall of 2020 so I could be getting into a 2021 - depends on timing.

Nothing wrong with a G80, but I would find that hard to do. If it were me, and I was driving so little, I'd get the 2014 C300 with 39k miles on it for $14000. For $600 a month is would be paid off in 2 years......and it has everything including a BU Cam.

I am only kidding a bit, but it does make one think. I feel like the C250 is like a new car. If you can afford the $600 a month and you like the G-Car go for it.
A young guy at pickleball has a black Mustang that looks pretty fast. He wanted to drag me......I told him I only had a 4 cylinder, it wouldn't be much of a race. He was disappointed, he thought it was a fast car. He opened the drivers door to look inside, he closed it and was amazed at how solid it seemed. You forget about those things. The C250 is my first used car in many years....and I like it just like a new car....unless it starts to act up! :@

driver100

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Hey driver100, if you really want another car why not try this place right across Tampa Bay in Largo? You can get from A to B but not C.

https://youtu.be/bNNSgadhCOc

I like their attitude....being honest. I wonder if that Alero has a backup camera?

Wouldn't be surprised if it did. Seems like only wannabe luxo's don't have them.

jmonroe

It may not have a backup camera but it is the real thing.......has the 3 stars on the grill.
What most people would be surprised to learn is....it is only worth $11700 as a trade-in.

explorerx4

If it has 3 stars on the grille, it's a fake, unless you added 2 more.

driver100

I mean....3 pointed star on the grill.......mastery over the land, sea and air!

jmonroe

driver100 said:

abacomike said:

28firefighter said:

graphicguy said:

Leasing gurus....how does the Genesis G70s 3.3T lease out? Good deal...bad deal?

Poorly historically. High 400s if you’re lucky. Mostly into the 500s. Haven’t checked recently though.

I am seriously looking at a G80 V8 Ultra. My budget allows for a $600 monthly payment with $2000 - $3000 due at signing. My thoughts are that they provide no-cost maintenance for 3 years and an extended warranty.

I won't be ready until the Fall of 2020 so I could be getting into a 2021 - depends on timing.

Nothing wrong with a G80, but I would find that hard to do. If it were me, and I was driving so little, I'd get the 2014 C300 with 39k miles on it for $14000. For $600 a month is would be paid off in 2 years......and it has everything including a BU Cam.

I am only kidding a bit, but it does make one think. I feel like the C250 is like a new car. If you can afford the $600 a month and you like the G-Car go for it.
A young guy at pickleball has a black Mustang that looks pretty fast. He wanted to drag me......I told him I only had a 4 cylinder, it wouldn't be much of a race. He was disappointed, he thought it was a fast car. He opened the drivers door to look inside, he closed it and was amazed at how solid it seemed. You forget about those things. The C250 is my first used car in many years....and I like it just like a new car....unless it starts to act up! :@

I'm sure @Mike feels a lot better now that he has your permission to buy something other than a Benz.

jmonroe

Michaell

28firefighter said:

I am from home 99.5% of the time. I go into the local office only for administrative stuff. I can reserve a desk or office if I need it. But I rarely do. My whole team is remote and not located in Seattle, so no point in going in.

Exactly the same for me. My office is only 15 minutes from the house, and I'll go in at odd times, to avoid rush hour traffic.

driver100

Of course, then you have the wannabe badge:


Have to even copy the badge.

driver100

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

abacomike said:

28firefighter said:

graphicguy said:

Leasing gurus....how does the Genesis G70s 3.3T lease out? Good deal...bad deal?

Poorly historically. High 400s if you’re lucky. Mostly into the 500s. Haven’t checked recently though.

I am seriously looking at a G80 V8 Ultra. My budget allows for a $600 monthly payment with $2000 - $3000 due at signing. My thoughts are that they provide no-cost maintenance for 3 years and an extended warranty.

I won't be ready until the Fall of 2020 so I could be getting into a 2021 - depends on timing.

Nothing wrong with a G80, but I would find that hard to do. If it were me, and I was driving so little, I'd get the 2014 C300 with 39k miles on it for $14000. For $600 a month is would be paid off in 2 years......and it has everything including a BU Cam.

I am only kidding a bit, but it does make one think. I feel like the C250 is like a new car. If you can afford the $600 a month and you like the G-Car go for it.
A young guy at pickleball has a black Mustang that looks pretty fast. He wanted to drag me......I told him I only had a 4 cylinder, it wouldn't be much of a race. He was disappointed, he thought it was a fast car. He opened the drivers door to look inside, he closed it and was amazed at how solid it seemed. You forget about those things. The C250 is my first used car in many years....and I like it just like a new car....unless it starts to act up! :@

I'm sure @Mike feels a lot better now that he has your permission to buy something other than a Benz.

jmonroe

I doubt if he will care what I think, but from what I understand he hasn't even driven the Hyundai Genesis yet, and any time he has veered away from MB he came back....so, we will see what he ends up with.

oldfarmer50

cdnpinhead said:

At one time Honeywell was all-in for work-from-home, and they had a huge contingent of people who did field service, supplier development and other functions for whom it was the only reasonable choice. Even those of us who were nominally assigned a desk in a cube, but did mostly internet meetings and/or travel, were "allowed" to work remotely. All that ended about four years ago, and everyone had to show up daily at a site, even if they never had to do so before. Chaos ensued, from the point of view of the employees affected; it was all good for those who just wanted to eliminate employees in North America. If you weren't willing to commute 80 miles a day when you'd never had to before, you were "let go."

Then, of course, there's the politics. If you aren't on-site to have "face time" with whomever needs to have their hem kissed, that can be a factor as well.

No, I'm not bitter, not at all. I started in 1968 and left in 2018, and all but the last few years were pretty decent.

I was just thinking, that is what I did for years. My office was in Boston and I was out in the field. I worked from home except a few times a year when the bosses conducted hem kissing meetings which were a waste of time. It was exactly as you described, the field people were not understood or appreciated. At one meeting some bozo in a three piece suit was telling me how he expected me to measure up to this exemplary employee who had the best numbers. He didn’t even realize he was talking about me.

Thanks for reminding me how much I don’t miss that.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Hey driver100, if you really want another car why not try this place right across Tampa Bay in Largo? You can get from A to B but not C.

https://youtu.be/bNNSgadhCOc

I like their attitude....being honest. I wonder if that Alero has a backup camera?

Just look through the rust holes.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

I mean....3 pointed star on the grill.......mastery over the land, sea and air!

I had a car with a three point star too....

venture

28firefighter said:

venture said:

28firefighter said:

I am from home 99.5% of the time. I go into the local office only for administrative stuff. I can reserve a desk or office if I need it. But I rarely do. My whole team is remote and not located in Seattle, so no point in going in.

That sounds exactly what he said. Now it's the 0.5%... I guess he could drive the 3 hours occasionally if absolutely necessary.

They just had their second son and it would be great to have them back home.

To your point about growth and promotions, it has not hindered my opportunity at all.

Good to know.

He doesn't seem to be concerned about it any more. I suspect, but don't really know, that he has assumed as much responsibility as he wants.

jmonroe

driver100 said:

Of course, then you have the wannabe badge:


Have to even copy the badge.

That puny badge on the bottom is a pretty poor attempt at badge copying.

jmonroe

qbrozen

E
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L
E
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!!

pensfan83

venture said:

I have a question for those of you who work from home exclusively, or almost exclusively.

Do you have a place at your office building (assuming there is one) and, if so, do you have to report there periodically?

The reason I ask is that my son works for Earths largest defense contractor and works from home. They live in MD and expressed an interest in moving back closer to family. I was wondering how that worked.

My entire team has dedicated work space in one of our buildings. However my team managers and myself work remotely 2 days per week and I individual contributors 3 days per week.

There are some in the group who have dropped subtle hints to go to desk sharing to further reduce the treks into the office but I'm not in favor of it nor is space an issue. Some of my service partners however only need to report in quarterly.

driver100

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

Of course, then you have the wannabe badge:


Have to even copy the badge.

That puny badge on the bottom is a pretty poor attempt at badge copying.

jmonroe

Only in your mind, everyone else knows who copied whom.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

I mean....3 pointed star on the grill.......mastery over the land, sea and air!

I had a car with a three point star too....

The wannabes always try to copy the industry leaders. :@

abacomike

We are under a "Tornado Watch" until 5:00 AM tomorrow morning. Winds expected to be between 50-60 mph as a trough of low pressure approaches from the northwest. I can't remember ever being on such a long period of time for a tornado watch here in southeast Florida.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

I mean....3 pointed star on the grill.......mastery over the land, sea and air!

I had a car with a three point star too....

The wannabes always try to copy the industry leaders. :@

Well...maybe. Mercedes used the 3 point star from 1909 while Mitsubishi didn’t come up with their 3 diamond logo until 1914 but long before that Mitsubishi was a ship builder which put a three diamond logo on all it’s ship flags. About 40 years ahead of Mercedes.

28firefighter

qbrozen said:

E
A
G
L
E
S
!!

What a game. Should not have been as close as it was.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

I mean....3 pointed star on the grill.......mastery over the land, sea and air!

I had a car with a three point star too....

The wannabes always try to copy the industry leaders. :@

Well...maybe. Mercedes used the 3 point star from 1909 while Mitsubishi didn’t come up with their 3 diamond logo until 1914 but long before that Mitsubishi was a ship builder which put a three diamond logo on all it’s ship flags. About 40 years ahead of Mercedes.

C'mon man, you can't spin it like that. Weren't you listening when we were told who copied who?

jmonroe

sda

driver100 said:

I mean....3 pointed star on the grill.......mastery over the land, sea and air!

Mercy, that needs washing. Where is JMonroe and is waxing expertise?

venture

pensfan83 said:

venture said:

I have a question for those of you who work from home exclusively, or almost exclusively.

Do you have a place at your office building (assuming there is one) and, if so, do you have to report there periodically?

The reason I ask is that my son works for Earths largest defense contractor and works from home. They live in MD and expressed an interest in moving back closer to family. I was wondering how that worked.

My entire team has dedicated work space in one of our buildings. However my team managers and myself work remotely 2 days per week and I individual contributors 3 days per week.

There are some in the group who have dropped subtle hints to go to desk sharing to further reduce the treks into the office but I'm not in favor of it nor is space an issue. Some of my service partners however only need to report in quarterly.

The differences are interesting.

jmonroe

sda said:

driver100 said:

I mean....3 pointed star on the grill.......mastery over the land, sea and air!

Mercy, that needs washing. Where is JMonroe and is waxing expertise?

I'm not sure I'm worthy of touching such a thing.

jmonroe

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

I mean....3 pointed star on the grill.......mastery over the land, sea and air!

I had a car with a three point star too....

The wannabes always try to copy the industry leaders. :@

Well...maybe. Mercedes used the 3 point star from 1909 while Mitsubishi didn’t come up with their 3 diamond logo until 1914 but long before that Mitsubishi was a ship builder which put a three diamond logo on all it’s ship flags. About 40 years ahead of Mercedes.

It seems that Mitsubishi was a leader..............in SHIP BUILDING!

driver100

jmonroe said:

sda said:

driver100 said:

I mean....3 pointed star on the grill.......mastery over the land, sea and air!

Mercy, that needs washing. Where is JMonroe and is waxing expertise?

I'm not sure I'm worthy of touching such a thing.

jmonroe

At least he knows his place

snakeweasel

Happy Chanukah to all our Jewish friends out there.

graphicguy

28firefighter said:

I am from home 99.5% of the time. I go into the local office only for administrative stuff. I can reserve a desk or office if I need it. But I rarely do. My whole team is remote and not located in Seattle, so no point in going in.

I’ve been a remote worker for 20+ years. There’s an office at our HQ with my name on a nameplate outside the door. But, whenever I go there (which is maybe 2-3 times/year), everyone around the office looks at me like I’m an interloper. Plus, there’s nothing on the walls. Just a screen, keyboard and mouse sitting on an empty desk looking forlorn. LOL!

My office phone is a cell (Android). My laptop is an HP running windows. I have a printer, desk, keyboard, mouse, monitor, pics on the wall and a view out my window of the woods in my back yard. I like it that way.

I have another cell phone for all my personal stuff (iPhone). My personal laptop is a MAcBook Air. And, when I just need access to emails, I use my iPad as my travel computer.

So, I have one foot in the Android and Windows environment and another in the Apple ecosystem.

Q...thanks for looking up the lease parameters on both Kias and Genesis. Looks like if I’m going to dip my toes back into the leasing pool, neither will be on my radar. If I decide to buy outright, the Stinger GT is still selling for around $40K on a $50K+ MSRP.

jmonroe

graphicguy said:

28firefighter said:

I am from home 99.5% of the time. I go into the local office only for administrative stuff. I can reserve a desk or office if I need it. But I rarely do. My whole team is remote and not located in Seattle, so no point in going in.

I’ve been a remote worker for 20+ years. There’s an office at our HQ with my name on a nameplate outside the door. But, whenever I go there (which is maybe 2-3 times/year), everyone around the office looks at me like I’m an interloper. Plus, there’s nothing on the walls. Just a screen, keyboard and mouse sitting on an empty desk looking forlorn. LOL!

My office phone is a cell (Android). My laptop is an HP running windows. I have a printer, desk, keyboard, mouse, monitor, pics on the wall and a view out my window of the woods in my back yard. I like it that way.

I have another cell phone for all my personal stuff (iPhone). My personal laptop is a MAcBook Air. And, when I just need access to emails, I use my iPad as my travel computer.

So, I have one foot in the Android and Windows environment and another in the Apple ecosystem.

Q...thanks for looking up the lease parameters on both Kias and Genesis. Looks like if I’m going to dip my toes back into the leasing pool, neither will be on my radar. If I decide to buy outright, the Stinger GT is still selling for around $40K on a $50K+ MSRP.

Suggestion: Sell a couple of those pictures and buy what you really want...a Porsche.

jmonroe

jmonroe

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

sda said:

driver100 said:

I mean....3 pointed star on the grill.......mastery over the land, sea and air!

Mercy, that needs washing. Where is JMonroe and is waxing expertise?

I'm not sure I'm worthy of touching such a thing.

jmonroe

At least he knows his place

I've always known my place. My problem is I haven't always stayed there. All you have to do is ask any of my bosses and I do mean ANY of them.

jmonroe