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roadburner

stickguy said:

Opinion question. When does everyone do brakes? RDX got serviced and they noted rear brakes (original) as needing attention “soon”. Pads measured 4mm so in their yellow range. So options are do early, wait until lower, or wait until you hear metal grinding and just automatically replace rotors too?

When my car tells me...

stickguy

pretty sure my antique is going to tell me when my wife mentions "the car is making some kind of grinding noise"

roadburner

ab348 said:

Odd situation here. I finally decided to get a replacement cat to have some company here. Went a couple of times to the shelter that I’ve supported for years, decided on one, and picked her up yesterday afternoon. Got home, opened the carrier, and watched her slowly come out and cautiously check out the living room. Went into the kitchen to put out a water bowl, and I haven’t seen her since. My place isn’t that big but I am stumped by where she is hiding. Cannot find her. I put out food and when I got up today it had been eaten, and she had found the litter box overnight too, so that’s good. But she needs to come out and let me interact with her soon!

Our cat does the disappearing act for hours at a time, then he reappears to tell us something isn't to his liking.

jmonroe

stickguy said:

thanks JM. I think the big decision point is about rotors. If you plan to keep them as is or do a minor resurface, change pads sooner. If you know the rotors are going to be replaced too, just run the pads to the nubs.

I wouldn't recommend doing that because your stopping distance is greatly increased. Think of it like this and you'll agree with me:

The friction of the brake pad against the rotor is what stops the car. The more friction the better your stoping power. Now, when you have the metal of the backing plate grinding against a cast iron rotor you get sparks and lots of them. No car has been designed to stop from the generation of sparks. Simple huh?

jmonroe

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

imidazol97 said:

I tried finding on the chevrolet site in building a model for 2020 where the option groups are added. I started with an LT and did get to an option package I LT and II LT. They used those two terms. I didn't find a 1 FT package.

But those sound like option packages that modify the basic grouping of options included in the model specified.

I thought Edmunds used to use the package names that are the numbers and letters. But I couldn't find them there--they use the full names, like Convenience Package 2.
Just for fun here's the RPO list of options that will show on the build sheet in the trunk or glovebox to show the levels and options on the vehicle.
http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/96transam/rpocodes.html

I was looking at older used Malibus 2010-13. I guess the FT stood for Fleet which in itself is confusing. What exactly is a Fleet trim level? Does that mean it was a rental? Or does that mean it’s a stripped down version?

Difficult to make comparisons between used cars for sale.

Brandon Ford, largest volume dealer in the country has brand new Fusions for under $15000, MSRP $23800. They have dozens of them on their website...how is that possible?
FORD FUSION $14900

explorerx4

The usual way, 'Sale prices include all applicable rebates and incentives'.

houdini1

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

I got a call from the salesman with the 2016 C300 I was looking into. He was wondering if I would still like to come in and try it out.
I told him we were too busy now and I was putting it on the back burner + it is an hour and a quarter of heavy driving each way. Then he said, you know, you should try out the 2016 because the new body style changeover made a huge difference in comparison to the 2014 model (which I have). That seemed to send out an alarm bell to me.....they will probably offer me even less for my beautiful 2014 than the KBB/Edmunds trade-in price.

I was thinking about it after, I think I would have gone for it if I could trade at about $10000 to $11000 difference. It would be worth it to get a car that is 2 years newer, with 15k miles on it instead of 30k. But, if they only give me $11700 for it, it is going to be $15000 difference with taxes etc.,.....just doesn't compute for me.

The poor guy was really trying, well when would you like to come in and test drive this cardinal red 2016 beauty and all that. Don't worry, I am not like ILUV, I haven't even dreamed of about the 2016 or had any strong urges to go for it! I know if I did you guys would help and stop me. Kind of a CBA club, car buyers anonymous.

How do you know what they will give you for your 2014 if you didn’t “come on down”? You’ll never get a better deal than at the end of year sales period.

Sounds like you’re looking for excuses not to buy.

Speaking of buying, my Ford dealer’s latest missive is offering me $17,770 trade in on my Mustang with 0% financing in a 2019. The offer is loaded with qualifiers but seems pretty straight forward. They overestimate my milage by 2000 and the condition as “average or better” (mine is showroom). I think I might be able to wrangle a better trade offer. $475 a month for 60 months. Should I be tempted?

Edmunds and KBB say mine is worth $11700 if in excellent condition, which in my opinion I think it is.

I haven't heard of dealers offering more than book value, unless there is a very special reason...like they have a buyer. Plus, I really am not too interested.

Oldfarmer are you tempted at $17770. How much depreciation is that? Isn't $475 a month about $5500 a year or $27500 for 5 years + $17770 or over $44000 (I don't know where the calculator is here). If you were to buy your 2015 Stang, how much would it cost?

If I saw my car for sale for $11700, and if I needed a car, I would snap it up in a second.

Dealers can acquire almost any car at wholesale prices, so that is all they are going to offer you.

driver100

explorerx4 said:

The usual way, 'Sale prices include all applicable rebates and incentives'.

What percentage of people qualify for all rebates? Does that include military service, conquest customer, medical conditions....etc......

houdini1

imidazol97 said:

We've suffered with one cable company doing business here. No competition from ATT's setups which are a few miles away.

I received a notice from my wonderful, caring cable TV supplier, Spectrum, this week that the introductory rate I was on has ended and my rate for the lowest level TV group is going up $7.

Odd because they were the ones after they took over from Time Warner who rudely said that they don't do introductory rates in any way like the previous company did.

They are just lying to get a price increase through fooling the customer. They got a large tax reduction a year ago on Federal taxes but the rates went up then.

A new company has been about 3 months in the public arena here sending out mailings to all addresses that they are installing fiber cable here. We have our backyard marked for the tubes to go through. They indicate by May they hope to have this part of the new build up and running. I'm so excited it's coming soon to our area.

I for one will be switching away from Spectrum (part of Comcast, I believe) to get internet along with cable.
Story has it they will offer 200 mByte speeds for starter. I noticed in Columbus where WOW competes with Time Warner and ATT, the speed installed by the apartment owner where my son lived is now putting 600 mB into each apartment included in the rent.

For the last couple of years I have started treating my cable/internet/ phone/tv company the same way I handle our friendly sirius xm radio. I call and say I can calling to cancel their service. They always start to negotiate to keep me and each year they sweeten the deal, lower the monthly price by $20. or $30. and increase internet speed, etc. Works with very little effort on my part.

driver100

houdini1 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

I got a call from the salesman with the 2016 C300 I was looking into. He was wondering if I would still like to come in and try it out.
I told him we were too busy now and I was putting it on the back burner + it is an hour and a quarter of heavy driving each way. Then he said, you know, you should try out the 2016 because the new body style changeover made a huge difference in comparison to the 2014 model (which I have). That seemed to send out an alarm bell to me.....they will probably offer me even less for my beautiful 2014 than the KBB/Edmunds trade-in price.

I was thinking about it after, I think I would have gone for it if I could trade at about $10000 to $11000 difference. It would be worth it to get a car that is 2 years newer, with 15k miles on it instead of 30k. But, if they only give me $11700 for it, it is going to be $15000 difference with taxes etc.,.....just doesn't compute for me.

The poor guy was really trying, well when would you like to come in and test drive this cardinal red 2016 beauty and all that. Don't worry, I am not like ILUV, I haven't even dreamed of about the 2016 or had any strong urges to go for it! I know if I did you guys would help and stop me. Kind of a CBA club, car buyers anonymous.

How do you know what they will give you for your 2014 if you didn’t “come on down”? You’ll never get a better deal than at the end of year sales period.

Sounds like you’re looking for excuses not to buy.

Speaking of buying, my Ford dealer’s latest missive is offering me $17,770 trade in on my Mustang with 0% financing in a 2019. The offer is loaded with qualifiers but seems pretty straight forward. They overestimate my milage by 2000 and the condition as “average or better” (mine is showroom). I think I might be able to wrangle a better trade offer. $475 a month for 60 months. Should I be tempted?

Edmunds and KBB say mine is worth $11700 if in excellent condition, which in my opinion I think it is.

I haven't heard of dealers offering more than book value, unless there is a very special reason...like they have a buyer. Plus, I really am not too interested.

Oldfarmer are you tempted at $17770. How much depreciation is that? Isn't $475 a month about $5500 a year or $27500 for 5 years + $17770 or over $44000 (I don't know where the calculator is here). If you were to buy your 2015 Stang, how much would it cost?

If I saw my car for sale for $11700, and if I needed a car, I would snap it up in a second.

Dealers can acquire almost any car at wholesale prices, so that is all they are going to offer you.

Fair enough. The car would be worth it to sell off for $11700 if it was a problem, but, it drives and looks like new....worth a lot more than that to me. The dealer could sell it and not do a thing to it, and easily make $3000 or more. I can't get too excited about moving up 2 years - I guess their hoping for a car addict who has to have a newer car!

houdini1

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

driver100 left himself open for some real hay makers, but it's the holiday season.

lol...but I had a few bosses who proved Murphy's Law, they got to a higher level in the company where they were able to prove their level of incompetence - which the company should have realized a few steps earlier.

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

driver100 left himself open for some real hay makers, but it's the holiday season.

lol...but I had a few bosses who proved Murphy's Law, they got to a higher level in the company where they were able to prove their level of incompetence - which the company should have realized a few steps earlier.

I think you are getting your laws and principles mixed up. That's the "Peter Principle", not Murphy's Law.

houdini1

driver100 said:

houdini1 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

I got a call from the salesman with the 2016 C300 I was looking into. He was wondering if I would still like to come in and try it out.
I told him we were too busy now and I was putting it on the back burner + it is an hour and a quarter of heavy driving each way. Then he said, you know, you should try out the 2016 because the new body style changeover made a huge difference in comparison to the 2014 model (which I have). That seemed to send out an alarm bell to me.....they will probably offer me even less for my beautiful 2014 than the KBB/Edmunds trade-in price.

I was thinking about it after, I think I would have gone for it if I could trade at about $10000 to $11000 difference. It would be worth it to get a car that is 2 years newer, with 15k miles on it instead of 30k. But, if they only give me $11700 for it, it is going to be $15000 difference with taxes etc.,.....just doesn't compute for me.

The poor guy was really trying, well when would you like to come in and test drive this cardinal red 2016 beauty and all that. Don't worry, I am not like ILUV, I haven't even dreamed of about the 2016 or had any strong urges to go for it! I know if I did you guys would help and stop me. Kind of a CBA club, car buyers anonymous.

How do you know what they will give you for your 2014 if you didn’t “come on down”? You’ll never get a better deal than at the end of year sales period.

Sounds like you’re looking for excuses not to buy.

Speaking of buying, my Ford dealer’s latest missive is offering me $17,770 trade in on my Mustang with 0% financing in a 2019. The offer is loaded with qualifiers but seems pretty straight forward. They overestimate my milage by 2000 and the condition as “average or better” (mine is showroom). I think I might be able to wrangle a better trade offer. $475 a month for 60 months. Should I be tempted?

Edmunds and KBB say mine is worth $11700 if in excellent condition, which in my opinion I think it is.

I haven't heard of dealers offering more than book value, unless there is a very special reason...like they have a buyer. Plus, I really am not too interested.

Oldfarmer are you tempted at $17770. How much depreciation is that? Isn't $475 a month about $5500 a year or $27500 for 5 years + $17770 or over $44000 (I don't know where the calculator is here). If you were to buy your 2015 Stang, how much would it cost?

If I saw my car for sale for $11700, and if I needed a car, I would snap it up in a second.

Dealers can acquire almost any car at wholesale prices, so that is all they are going to offer you.

Fair enough. The car would be worth it to sell off for $11700 if it was a problem, but, it drives and looks like new....worth a lot more than that to me. The dealer could sell it and not do a thing to it, and easily make $3000 or more. I can't get too excited about moving up 2 years - I guess their hoping for a car addict who has to have a newer car!

Very sensible of you. That is the thought process I always use....and end up buying a new car anyway!

imidazol97

oldfarmer50 said:

http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/96transam/rpocodes.html

I was looking at older used Malibus 2010-13. I guess the FT stood for Fleet which in itself is confusing. What exactly is a Fleet trim level? Does that mean it was a rental? Or does that mean it’s a stripped down version?

Difficult to make comparisons between used cars for sale.

In the era of the Gen 7 and maybe Gen 8 Malibu, the stripped models for fleets to be price competitive with the other companies who were selling into rental and fleets had an option to add some of the features that most people would want. Those fleet packages actually brought the basic model up to expectations of most of us. If you look at the options list that most dealers print out based on the VIN for each car on the used lot, you'll find it has a few things that the L or LS model doesn't have.

The LT was a higher line car and the 1LT and 2LT were option packages that added more features.

jmonroe

houdini1 said:

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

driver100 left himself open for some real hay makers, but it's the holiday season.

lol...but I had a few bosses who proved Murphy's Law, they got to a higher level in the company where they were able to prove their level of incompetence - which the company should have realized a few steps earlier.

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

driver100 left himself open for some real hay makers, but it's the holiday season.

lol...but I had a few bosses who proved Murphy's Law, they got to a higher level in the company where they were able to prove their level of incompetence - which the company should have realized a few steps earlier.

I think you are getting your laws and principles mixed up. That's the "Peter Principle", not Murphy's Law.

You should have left him alone. You know he's happiest when he's in his own little world.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

imidazol97 said:

I tried finding on the chevrolet site in building a model for 2020 where the option groups are added. I started with an LT and did get to an option package I LT and II LT. They used those two terms. I didn't find a 1 FT package.

But those sound like option packages that modify the basic grouping of options included in the model specified.

I thought Edmunds used to use the package names that are the numbers and letters. But I couldn't find them there--they use the full names, like Convenience Package 2.
Just for fun here's the RPO list of options that will show on the build sheet in the trunk or glovebox to show the levels and options on the vehicle.
http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/96transam/rpocodes.html

I was looking at older used Malibus 2010-13. I guess the FT stood for Fleet which in itself is confusing. What exactly is a Fleet trim level? Does that mean it was a rental? Or does that mean it’s a stripped down version?

Difficult to make comparisons between used cars for sale.

Brandon Ford, largest volume dealer in the country has brand new Fusions for under $15000, MSRP $23800. They have dozens of them on their website...how is that possible?
FORD FUSION $14900

Those are mainly S trim models which I believe is the low option base vehicle. Still not a bad price for a new car. Less than my Soul. This is the last year for the Fusion so they may be trying to get rid of them.

I looked up inventory near me and got prices substantially higher. I wonder what the fine print say for those deals. Maybe includes trade value as well as incentives.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

houdini1 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

I got a call from the salesman with the 2016 C300 I was looking into. He was wondering if I would still like to come in and try it out.
I told him we were too busy now and I was putting it on the back burner + it is an hour and a quarter of heavy driving each way. Then he said, you know, you should try out the 2016 because the new body style changeover made a huge difference in comparison to the 2014 model (which I have). That seemed to send out an alarm bell to me.....they will probably offer me even less for my beautiful 2014 than the KBB/Edmunds trade-in price.

I was thinking about it after, I think I would have gone for it if I could trade at about $10000 to $11000 difference. It would be worth it to get a car that is 2 years newer, with 15k miles on it instead of 30k. But, if they only give me $11700 for it, it is going to be $15000 difference with taxes etc.,.....just doesn't compute for me.

The poor guy was really trying, well when would you like to come in and test drive this cardinal red 2016 beauty and all that. Don't worry, I am not like ILUV, I haven't even dreamed of about the 2016 or had any strong urges to go for it! I know if I did you guys would help and stop me. Kind of a CBA club, car buyers anonymous.

How do you know what they will give you for your 2014 if you didn’t “come on down”? You’ll never get a better deal than at the end of year sales period.

Sounds like you’re looking for excuses not to buy.

Speaking of buying, my Ford dealer’s latest missive is offering me $17,770 trade in on my Mustang with 0% financing in a 2019. The offer is loaded with qualifiers but seems pretty straight forward. They overestimate my milage by 2000 and the condition as “average or better” (mine is showroom). I think I might be able to wrangle a better trade offer. $475 a month for 60 months. Should I be tempted?

Edmunds and KBB say mine is worth $11700 if in excellent condition, which in my opinion I think it is.

I haven't heard of dealers offering more than book value, unless there is a very special reason...like they have a buyer. Plus, I really am not too interested.

Oldfarmer are you tempted at $17770. How much depreciation is that? Isn't $475 a month about $5500 a year or $27500 for 5 years + $17770 or over $44000 (I don't know where the calculator is here). If you were to buy your 2015 Stang, how much would it cost?

If I saw my car for sale for $11700, and if I needed a car, I would snap it up in a second.

Dealers can acquire almost any car at wholesale prices, so that is all they are going to offer you.

Fair enough. The car would be worth it to sell off for $11700 if it was a problem, but, it drives and looks like new....worth a lot more than that to me. The dealer could sell it and not do a thing to it, and easily make $3000 or more. I can't get too excited about moving up 2 years - I guess their hoping for a car addict who has to have a newer car!

That’s why you should sell it privately. That buyer with hot pants for your car isn’t the dealer. If the Craigslist dwellers frighten you, try Autotrader.

Look at this nice fellow coming to buy your car.



Local comps are asking around $14k.

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/tampa-2014-mercedes-c250-sport-only-39k/7041672865.html

explorerx4

@oldfarmer50,
That car you posted at least has a backup camera.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

houdini1 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

I got a call from the salesman with the 2016 C300 I was looking into. He was wondering if I would still like to come in and try it out.
I told him we were too busy now and I was putting it on the back burner + it is an hour and a quarter of heavy driving each way. Then he said, you know, you should try out the 2016 because the new body style changeover made a huge difference in comparison to the 2014 model (which I have). That seemed to send out an alarm bell to me.....they will probably offer me even less for my beautiful 2014 than the KBB/Edmunds trade-in price.

I was thinking about it after, I think I would have gone for it if I could trade at about $10000 to $11000 difference. It would be worth it to get a car that is 2 years newer, with 15k miles on it instead of 30k. But, if they only give me $11700 for it, it is going to be $15000 difference with taxes etc.,.....just doesn't compute for me.

The poor guy was really trying, well when would you like to come in and test drive this cardinal red 2016 beauty and all that. Don't worry, I am not like ILUV, I haven't even dreamed of about the 2016 or had any strong urges to go for it! I know if I did you guys would help and stop me. Kind of a CBA club, car buyers anonymous.

How do you know what they will give you for your 2014 if you didn’t “come on down”? You’ll never get a better deal than at the end of year sales period.

Sounds like you’re looking for excuses not to buy.

Speaking of buying, my Ford dealer’s latest missive is offering me $17,770 trade in on my Mustang with 0% financing in a 2019. The offer is loaded with qualifiers but seems pretty straight forward. They overestimate my milage by 2000 and the condition as “average or better” (mine is showroom). I think I might be able to wrangle a better trade offer. $475 a month for 60 months. Should I be tempted?

Edmunds and KBB say mine is worth $11700 if in excellent condition, which in my opinion I think it is.

I haven't heard of dealers offering more than book value, unless there is a very special reason...like they have a buyer. Plus, I really am not too interested.

Oldfarmer are you tempted at $17770. How much depreciation is that? Isn't $475 a month about $5500 a year or $27500 for 5 years + $17770 or over $44000 (I don't know where the calculator is here). If you were to buy your 2015 Stang, how much would it cost?

If I saw my car for sale for $11700, and if I needed a car, I would snap it up in a second.

Dealers can acquire almost any car at wholesale prices, so that is all they are going to offer you.

Fair enough. The car would be worth it to sell off for $11700 if it was a problem, but, it drives and looks like new....worth a lot more than that to me. The dealer could sell it and not do a thing to it, and easily make $3000 or more. I can't get too excited about moving up 2 years - I guess their hoping for a car addict who has to have a newer car!

That’s why you should sell it privately. That buyer with hot pants for your car isn’t the dealer. If the Craigslist dwellers frighten you, try Autotrader.


Local comps are asking around $14k.

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/tampa-2014-mercedes-c250-sport-only-39k/7041672865.html

That is the one I should be trading for.....only $14000. It has everything mine has plus;
NAVIGATION, BUILT IN MULTI DISK CD CHANGER, REAR BACK UP CAMERA, POWER SUNROOF, POWER SEATS, POWER WINDOWS,POWER MIRRORS, CD PLAYER, NEWER TIRES, ALARM, MANUAL BOOKS AND FLOOR MATS INCLUDED, SERVICE IS UP TO DATE! DRIVES PERFECT!
and it only has 9000 more miles.

Now for sure they won't give me $14000 for mine. They will show me that one!

driver100

explorerx4 said:

@oldfarmer50,
That car you posted at least has a backup camera.

....and it is only going to cost me $2300 to get it!

driver100

houdini1 said:

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

driver100 left himself open for some real hay makers, but it's the holiday season.

lol...but I had a few bosses who proved Murphy's Law, they got to a higher level in the company where they were able to prove their level of incompetence - which the company should have realized a few steps earlier.

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

driver100 left himself open for some real hay makers, but it's the holiday season.

lol...but I had a few bosses who proved Murphy's Law, they got to a higher level in the company where they were able to prove their level of incompetence - which the company should have realized a few steps earlier.

I think you are getting your laws and principles mixed up. That's the "Peter Principle", not Murphy's Law.

Thanks for the correction.....now you will give JMonroe something to gloat over.
Once knew a Peter Murphy, that probably explains the mix up.
Actually I was testing to see if anyone would catch that and houdini, you were the only one....free Premium Membership that includes my weekly video.

jmonroe

driver100 said:

houdini1 said:

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

driver100 left himself open for some real hay makers, but it's the holiday season.

lol...but I had a few bosses who proved Murphy's Law, they got to a higher level in the company where they were able to prove their level of incompetence - which the company should have realized a few steps earlier.

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

driver100 left himself open for some real hay makers, but it's the holiday season.

lol...but I had a few bosses who proved Murphy's Law, they got to a higher level in the company where they were able to prove their level of incompetence - which the company should have realized a few steps earlier.

I think you are getting your laws and principles mixed up. That's the "Peter Principle", not Murphy's Law.

Thanks for the correction.....now you will give JMonroe something to gloat over.
Once knew a Peter Murphy, that probably explains the mix up.
Actually I was testing to see if anyone would catch that and houdini, you were the only one....free Premium Membership that includes my weekly video.

I'm not gloating but I caught it too. I was just allowing you to remain being content in your own little world. You forget, I'm your poster buddy. The same can't be said about @houdini1.

jmonroe

driver100

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

houdini1 said:

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

driver100 left himself open for some real hay makers, but it's the holiday season.

lol...but I had a few bosses who proved Murphy's Law, they got to a higher level in the company where they were able to prove their level of incompetence - which the company should have realized a few steps earlier.

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

driver100 left himself open for some real hay makers, but it's the holiday season.

lol...but I had a few bosses who proved Murphy's Law, they got to a higher level in the company where they were able to prove their level of incompetence - which the company should have realized a few steps earlier.

I think you are getting your laws and principles mixed up. That's the "Peter Principle", not Murphy's Law.

Thanks for the correction.....now you will give JMonroe something to gloat over.
Once knew a Peter Murphy, that probably explains the mix up.
Actually I was testing to see if anyone would catch that and houdini, you were the only one....free Premium Membership that includes my weekly video.

I'm not gloating but I caught it too. I was just allowing you to remain being content in your own little world. You forget, I'm your poster buddy. The same can't be said about @houdini1.

jmonroe

Thanks, I was listening to a talkradio host and he said everyday the "Grammar [non-permissible content removed]" call and complain that he didn't use a word properly. His point was these nitpickers were the ones who were rude for having to correct him. Not saying houdini is that way, he just wanted to make a little correction, but, it is something to think about, and you were very good to not mention it.

I do know the difference between Murphy's Law and The Peter Principle, but some days I am in a rush.

We got the Maytag dishwasher working and it seems to do an amazingly good wash. Not as quiet as the Bosch but so far so good....stay tuned for more news on one of our favorite topics.

jmonroe

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

houdini1 said:

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

driver100 left himself open for some real hay makers, but it's the holiday season.

lol...but I had a few bosses who proved Murphy's Law, they got to a higher level in the company where they were able to prove their level of incompetence - which the company should have realized a few steps earlier.

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

driver100 left himself open for some real hay makers, but it's the holiday season.

lol...but I had a few bosses who proved Murphy's Law, they got to a higher level in the company where they were able to prove their level of incompetence - which the company should have realized a few steps earlier.

I think you are getting your laws and principles mixed up. That's the "Peter Principle", not Murphy's Law.

Thanks for the correction.....now you will give JMonroe something to gloat over.
Once knew a Peter Murphy, that probably explains the mix up.
Actually I was testing to see if anyone would catch that and houdini, you were the only one....free Premium Membership that includes my weekly video.

I'm not gloating but I caught it too. I was just allowing you to remain being content in your own little world. You forget, I'm your poster buddy. The same can't be said about @houdini1.

jmonroe

Thanks, I was listening to a talkradio host and he said everyday the "Grammar [non-permissible content removed]" call and complain that he didn't use a word properly. His point was these nitpickers were the ones who were rude for having to correct him. Not saying houdini is that way, he just wanted to make a little correction, but, it is something to think about, and you were very good to not mention it.

I do know the difference between Murphy's Law and The Peter Principle, but some days I am in a rush.

We got the Maytag dishwasher working and it seems to do an amazingly good wash. Not as quiet as the Bosch but so far so good....stay tuned for more news on one of our favorite topics.

OH NO. Please don't tell us we're going to get a daily wash report about your new dishwasher. I'm pretty sure one of the Edmunds bylaws says that is illegal in here.

jmonroe

ab348

jmonroe said:

OH NO. Please don't tell us we're going to get a daily wash report about your new dishwasher. I'm pretty sure one of the Edmunds bylaws says that is illegal in here.

jmonroe

Hey, JM, here is something likely of more interest to you, about your doppelganger, Dean Martin:

https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/comment/5826682/#Comment_5826682

driver100

OH NO. Please don't tell us we're going to get a daily wash report about your new dishwasher. I'm pretty sure one of the Edmunds bylaws says that is illegal in here.

jmonroe

You don't want a play by play on how the new dishwasher I waited for 3 weeks is doing??????

explorerx4

Kept my new car a secret from my kids for over 2 months.
Not easy in this day of social media.
One noticed it right away, the other and her husband, not until the next day.
Probably tired from their trip from Ohio.

stickguy

I might be OK on the DW front. ran it last night and it seemed perfectly normal. could be on the way out but as long as it keeps it together I will ride it out.

jmonroe

ab348 said:

jmonroe said:

OH NO. Please don't tell us we're going to get a daily wash report about your new dishwasher. I'm pretty sure one of the Edmunds bylaws says that is illegal in here.

jmonroe

Hey, JM, here is something likely of more interest to you, about your doppelganger, Dean Martin:

https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/comment/5826682/#Comment_5826682

Did you notice, Dean liked a nice burgundy colored car. Gee, I wonder where he got that.

jmonroe

jmonroe

stickguy said:

I might be OK on the DW front. ran it last night and it seemed perfectly normal. could be on the way out but as long as it keeps it together I will ride it out.

Maybe it did a self reset.

Good luck in the new year with it.

jmonroe

fintail

I've been doing the same thing with Cable and SiriusXM. I am now on the lowest cable package, and next time around I plan to cut it entirely. There's enough streaming junk out there to fill my time wasting needs. I cringe when I see people spending $250/month for internet and cable.

houdini1 said:

For the last couple of years I have started treating my cable/internet/ phone/tv company the same way I handle our friendly sirius xm radio. I call and say I can calling to cancel their service. They always start to negotiate to keep me and each year they sweeten the deal, lower the monthly price by $20. or $30. and increase internet speed, etc. Works with very little effort on my part.

houdini1

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

houdini1 said:

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

driver100 left himself open for some real hay makers, but it's the holiday season.

lol...but I had a few bosses who proved Murphy's Law, they got to a higher level in the company where they were able to prove their level of incompetence - which the company should have realized a few steps earlier.

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

driver100 left himself open for some real hay makers, but it's the holiday season.

lol...but I had a few bosses who proved Murphy's Law, they got to a higher level in the company where they were able to prove their level of incompetence - which the company should have realized a few steps earlier.

I think you are getting your laws and principles mixed up. That's the "Peter Principle", not Murphy's Law.

Thanks for the correction.....now you will give JMonroe something to gloat over.
Once knew a Peter Murphy, that probably explains the mix up.
Actually I was testing to see if anyone would catch that and houdini, you were the only one....free Premium Membership that includes my weekly video.

I'm not gloating but I caught it too. I was just allowing you to remain being content in your own little world. You forget, I'm your poster buddy. The same can't be said about @houdini1.

jmonroe

Thanks, I was listening to a talkradio host and he said everyday the "Grammar [non-permissible content removed]" call and complain that he didn't use a word properly. His point was these nitpickers were the ones who were rude for having to correct him. Not saying houdini is that way, he just wanted to make a little correction, but, it is something to think about, and you were very good to not mention it.

I do know the difference between Murphy's Law and The Peter Principle, but some days I am in a rush.

We got the Maytag dishwasher working and it seems to do an amazingly good wash. Not as quiet as the Bosch but so far so good....stay tuned for more news on one of our favorite topics.

Huh. I thought you would appreciate the help. Had I known you would take being wrong so hard, I wouldn't have bothered to enlighten you.

28firefighter

We cut cable. Pay $50/month for 150/150 internet and a total of $25 a month for Hulu and Netflix. We also have prime video.

Was paying $160 a month for cable and internet previously. No thanks.

suydam

One internet service in our town which is also The cable provider. They’ve got us over a barrel. That was true where we previously lived as well.

stickguy

same here. other parts of town have Fios also. they did not do our neighborhood. So I am having Comcast one way or another, and the wife prefers cable so easier to keep it.

actually going tomorrow and probably switching over our cell phones to Xfinity wireless. Gonna save big on that move! will pay 1/4 of the wifes new car payment with that alone!

oldfarmer50

Hey driver100, if you really want another car why not try this place right across Tampa Bay in Largo? You can get from A to B but not C.

https://youtu.be/bNNSgadhCOc

graphicguy

28firefighter said:

We cut cable. Pay $50/month for 150/150 internet and a total of $25 a month for Hulu and Netflix. We also have prime video.

Was paying $160 a month for cable and internet previously. No thanks.

Did the same. Time-Warner (Spectrum) calls me every week to offer me a “great deal” to come back. One of the sales people actually said...’”what will you do if your power goes out and you can’t stream your TV broadcasts.” Okey-Dokey!

No thanks!

graphicguy

Leasing gurus....how does the Genesis G70s 3.3T lease out? Good deal...bad deal?

carnaught

fintail said:

I've been doing the same thing with Cable and SiriusXM. I am now on the lowest cable package, and next time around I plan to cut it entirely. There's enough streaming junk out there to fill my time wasting needs. I cringe when I see people spending $250/month for internet and cable.

houdini1 said:

For the last couple of years I have started treating my cable/internet/ phone/tv company the same way I handle our friendly sirius xm radio. I call and say I can calling to cancel their service. They always start to negotiate to keep me and each year they sweeten the deal, lower the monthly price by $20. or $30. and increase internet speed, etc. Works with very little effort on my part.

Get this: my cable/phone/ internet bundle price was raised again for the THIRD TIME since it’s July ‘18 inception. This is on a 24 mos. contract with price “guarantee”. When confronted about my price guarantee, they stated it wasn’t a price increase but a “step-up”, a lie pure and simple from Cox Communications.

Deciding whether to ditch it now and pay the $79 to get out, or wait till the end. Either way, it’s going to happen!

snakeweasel

carnaught said:

fintail said:

I've been doing the same thing with Cable and SiriusXM. I am now on the lowest cable package, and next time around I plan to cut it entirely. There's enough streaming junk out there to fill my time wasting needs. I cringe when I see people spending $250/month for internet and cable.

houdini1 said:

For the last couple of years I have started treating my cable/internet/ phone/tv company the same way I handle our friendly sirius xm radio. I call and say I can calling to cancel their service. They always start to negotiate to keep me and each year they sweeten the deal, lower the monthly price by $20. or $30. and increase internet speed, etc. Works with very little effort on my part.

Get this: my cable/phone/ internet bundle price was raised again for the THIRD TIME since it’s July ‘18 inception. This is on a 24 mos. contract with price “guarantee”. When confronted about my price guarantee, they stated it wasn’t a price increase but a “step-up”, a lie pure and simple from Cox Communications.

Deciding whether to ditch it now and pay the $79 to get out, or wait till the end. Either way, it’s going to happen!

Read the contract, if the "step ups" aren't mentioned and the contract states that the price is set for 24 months they are in breach of the contract. If so cancel and tell them you are paying nothing because they violated the contract.

imidazol97

How fast could you run?

I don't understand how to get the gif to run. If I click on it, it tries to go to another page,
then when I come back the gif is running. But it's worth it.

https://giphy.com/gifs/scared-crash-truck-sstKGv8jIyGv6

28firefighter

graphicguy said:

Leasing gurus....how does the Genesis G70s 3.3T lease out? Good deal...bad deal?

Poorly historically. High 400s if you’re lucky. Mostly into the 500s. Haven’t checked recently though.

abacomike

28firefighter said:

graphicguy said:

Leasing gurus....how does the Genesis G70s 3.3T lease out? Good deal...bad deal?

Poorly historically. High 400s if you’re lucky. Mostly into the 500s. Haven’t checked recently though.

I am seriously looking at a G80 V8 Ultra. My budget allows for a $600 monthly payment with $2000 - $3000 due at signing. My thoughts are that they provide no-cost maintenance for 3 years and an extended warranty.

I won't be ready until the Fall of 2020 so I could be getting into a 2021 - depends on timing.

jmonroe

abacomike said:

28firefighter said:

graphicguy said:

Leasing gurus....how does the Genesis G70s 3.3T lease out? Good deal...bad deal?

Poorly historically. High 400s if you’re lucky. Mostly into the 500s. Haven’t checked recently though.

I am seriously looking at a G80 V8 Ultra. My budget allows for a $600 monthly payment with $2000 - $3000 due at signing. My thoughts are that they provide no-cost maintenance for 3 years and an extended warranty.

I won't be ready until the Fall of 2020 so I could be getting into a 2021 - depends on timing.

WOW, $600 a month !! I could never get away with a monthly like that. I remember paying cash for a couple cars because I didn't want to give Mrs. j monthly reminders that I bought a car she didn't think I needed.

FWIW, I hope you change your mind about buying a wannabe. Why do you want to steal some of my thunder ? What did I ever do to you. :@

jmonroe

houdini1

abacomike said:

28firefighter said:

graphicguy said:

Leasing gurus....how does the Genesis G70s 3.3T lease out? Good deal...bad deal?

Poorly historically. High 400s if you’re lucky. Mostly into the 500s. Haven’t checked recently though.

I am seriously looking at a G80 V8 Ultra. My budget allows for a $600 monthly payment with $2000 - $3000 due at signing. My thoughts are that they provide no-cost maintenance for 3 years and an extended warranty.

I won't be ready until the Fall of 2020 so I could be getting into a 2021 - depends on timing.

I think you should, at least, test drive the G90. Great reviews, more like your current Mercedes, and would probably fit your budget. Give it a spin and tell us how you liked it or not.

fintail

Termination fee is only $79? You might come out ahead by ditching it asap.

carnaught said:

Get this: my cable/phone/ internet bundle price was raised again for the THIRD TIME since it’s July ‘18 inception. This is on a 24 mos. contract with price “guarantee”. When confronted about my price guarantee, they stated it wasn’t a price increase but a “step-up”, a lie pure and simple from Cox Communications.

Deciding whether to ditch it now and pay the $79 to get out, or wait till the end. Either way, it’s going to happen!

oldfarmer50

I save about $20 a month by bundling land line phone with the cable. Recently I got a letter saying that if the power goes out so will the phone (like I didn’t know this). They kindly offer to provide me with a backup battery for some ridiculous amount. Just another gouge. Since I now have a cell phone I don’t need to have batteries hanging from electric outlets or dangling from the phone.

At least in the old days Verizon land lines had their own system power and would be the only thing that worked during an outage. How is this new stuff progress?

imidazol97

Having a working phone in the landline was a main reason we kept a landline for so long. Now that we're fully integrated with cell phones, the landline number could be transferred to a low cost cell phone.

imidazol97

abacomike said:

I am seriously looking at a G80 V8 Ultra. My budget allows for a $600 monthly payment with $2000 - $3000 due at signing. My thoughts are that they provide no-cost maintenance for 3 years and an extended warranty.

I won't be ready until the Fall of 2020 so I could be getting into a 2021 - depends on timing.

Are you following the leasing info on Edmunds for the G80?
https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/comment/5827068/#Comment_5827068

ab348

My spam caller landline phone is through the cable co. also, but up here they keep good-sized generators mounted partway up telephone poles that kick in when the power goes out to keep stuff working for a few hours at least. There is one mid-block near my house and when the power goes out I can hear it running.

suydam

Haven’t had a landline phone for at least a decade.