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suydam

My 2014 Encore has a backup camera and BLIS. Not the top trim level either.

driver100

suydam said:

My 2014 Encore has a backup camera and BLIS. Not the top trim level either.

They don't need all those fancy extras when the car sells itself without them.

driver100

Backup cameras are not exactly leading edge new technology;
*The 1991 Toyota Soarer Limited in Japan was the first production automobile to incorporate a backup camera;
*in the US, rearview visibility systems first became available as OEM equipment in North America on Nissan’s Infiniti Q45 in 2001.
*Since being introduced on luxury vehicles, backup visibility systems have begun to penetrate the non-luxury light vehicle market as OEM equipment.
*To that end, the mandates will provide an additional boost to an ongoing trend in North America: between 2008 and 2011 alone, OEM installations of backup cameras in the US more than doubled, increasing from 32% to 68% of all new cars sold.

In 2011 68% of cars had backup cameras, not like they are a luxury feature.

Maybe people who want the "real feel of the road" don't need them

snakeweasel

stickguy said:

hey, I got a fresh 5 pack of boxers for Christmas (I must have been a good boy!) So I am going to be styling as soon as they get back from the wash.

Oh I love boxers, they are such great dogs.

snakeweasel

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

Sandman6472 said:

On new underwear, please, wash them first!!

But they come in a sealed plastic bag and have been sanitized.

Stop questioning it, just do it. My Mom washed a lot of stuff before the family used it. As a kid I thought it was kinda strange but I wasn't doing the washing so who was I to question what she did? Then I joined the Navy and was promptly taught it's not clean untill it's Navy Clean. That meant you washed EVERYTHING before you wore it and that especially applied to your skivies. You wanna question that, sign up and ask them.

jmonroe

So what you're saying is that the navy issues dirty clothing.

oldfarmer50

tjc78 said:

If you read the comments you’ll see an Enterprise manager was watching and turned them in.

No doubt it was abused... BUT what real damage was done? No scratches, dings, dents, interior or engine damage? Was the oil/tranny pan damaged from the jump? Doubtful much would happen from this.

You don’t think that reversing at speed and then slamming it in drive would damage the tranny? I can’t imagine it wouldn’t reduce the life.

The real question is how many other customers did the same thing and didn’t film it.

jmonroe

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fintail said:

For MBs anyway, it is sometimes easy to spot the ex-rentals on the lot - basic spec (and mileage almost always around 20K). Sometimes even more basic than loss leader lease specials. US rental fleets often have loaded domestic makes, but the premium Euros tend to be modestly optioned at best. A bit different from European fleets, which can feature quite loaded cars.

oldfarmer50 said:

Yes they do. We have BMWs, Mercedes, Jaguars, Land Rovers, Teslas, Maseratis and more. Most go to dealers.

You have to realize that the CCBA types we have on these boards can’t supply the demand for one or two year old cars. Dealers can buy from a rental company where at least they have service records or go to the auctions where they might be forced to buy the same company’s cars that were deemed too beat or wrecked to retail.

My C250 MB dealer seems to get a lot of low mileage, 1,2 and 3 year old cars. It seems the 3 year old ones, like ours, were mostly leased cars. The 1 and 2 year olds have from about 3000 miles up to about 20000 miles on them. I thought they were executive driven cars and dealer test drive cars. Maybe they are from rental car companies.
Do you think they hand choose these or buy them in bulk, sight unseen?

I’m guessing the 3k miler is a service loaner or one operated by dealership personnel. The 1 or 2 year old 20k miler is most likely a rental. 3 year olds are undoubtedly lease returns.

Now, which one is more beat up? The loaner is like a rental where the customer says “what the heck” and feels free to stomp on it. As someone said, the lease could have abuse or neglect unless there was some free oil changes with the deal. A rental may be abused but gets at least minimum maintenance. (I know that my company gives quotas to branches for on time maintenance).

Bottom line, take it to a mechanic unless you are paying so little it doesn’t matter.

Some large dealer groups will buy cars by the hundreds. A little mom & pop store might only buy one a year to fill a customer request. Enterprise has teams of car salespeople who work with dealers just like the dealers have salespeople who work with you.

Good analysis and makes sense. How do car rental companies do their maintenance....oil changes, wiper blades, brakes etc? Do they do their own or do they use the dealer.

When I had a company car the company which was a huge company they wouldn't allow us to get maintenance done at the dealer - except for warranty work, said they charge more than the chain garages....they seemed to like Goodyear and places like that.

Big huge conglomerate and we have to try and save a few bucks on an oil change.

Enterprise has a bunch of it’s own maintenance facilities but the sheer number of cars would overwhelm them. Much of the routine stuff is done under contract with a multitude of vendors. Pick a name from the phone book and we use them.

Here’s another case of rental abuse. If you read the comments you’ll see an Enterprise manager was watching and turned them in.

o

I remember a guy telling me he would rent cars, drive them and throw them into reverse. Maybe it doesn't happen too often, but, how would you like to buy that car?

I can honestly say I don't know anyone that would do that and surely no one dumb enough to admit it.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Boy, the monthly payment on those Mercedes must be tough. Some guy near me robbed a bank while driving one. Then again maybe it was the cost of out of warranty repairs. Is that a GLE?

Well since he is robber maybe he is also a car thief.

I don’t know but he robbed banks in 2005, 2010 and just recently so I’m guessing banks are his full time job.

If you’re planning to follow in this guy’s footsteps NY is the place to start since the state did away with bail and let him walk.

jmonroe

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Sandman6472 said:

On new underwear, please, wash them first!!

But they come in a sealed plastic bag and have been sanitized.

Stop questioning it, just do it. My Mom washed a lot of stuff before the family used it. As a kid I thought it was kinda strange but I wasn't doing the washing so who was I to question what she did? Then I joined the Navy and was promptly taught it's not clean untill it's Navy Clean. That meant you washed EVERYTHING before you wore it and that especially applied to your skivies. You wanna question that, sign up and ask them.

jmonroe

But, they come in a package that is hermetically sealed, unless you buy yours at Goodwill.

Hint: just because they are packaged in cellophane does not mean they are "hermetically sealed". Didn't want you to go through life with another bit of misinformation.

jmonroe

They say some germs are good for you. If you don't encounter some germs you won't build up resistance. If you get your underwear at the 2nd hand store....best to use bleach and wash first.

I am just joking about this.....you should wash clothes first because of chemicals used to make clothing, but, if it is all sealed in plastic with all the cardboard and everything on it you probably won't die or get a serious skin rash if you don't wash it.

Now lets get back to more important stuff......like, how do you find a battery powered backup camera?

Your'e looking in the wrong place. I found them in a '15 Genny wannabe and a grocery getting '18 Legacy.

jmonroe

Not so easy in a pre-2015 car. By the time of the 2018 Legacy they were mandatory.

It was pretty easy for me with pre-2015 cars.

My '09 Genny had it and so did Mrs. j's '12 Legacy. Like I said, you're looking in the wrong places

jmonroe

Well, they had to put them on those cars to try and help them sell better.

Laugh all you want but I have had them since '09. And like I have said before if other brands offered them as almost standard on models other than the most basic trim levels, anyone buying a luxo brand of any model/trim should have the right to expect it but apparently don't always get it. However, they do get the all important coveted badge.

jmonroe

They only cost $120 to add to a car.....too trifling for Mercedes to bother with.
Besides, people who appreciate cars and driving can back up without a camera!

Yet you feel you need/want one...Hmmmm

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

fintail said:

For MBs anyway, it is sometimes easy to spot the ex-rentals on the lot - basic spec (and mileage almost always around 20K). Sometimes even more basic than loss leader lease specials. US rental fleets often have loaded domestic makes, but the premium Euros tend to be modestly optioned at best. A bit different from European fleets, which can feature quite loaded cars.

oldfarmer50 said:

Yes they do. We have BMWs, Mercedes, Jaguars, Land Rovers, Teslas, Maseratis and more. Most go to dealers.

You have to realize that the CCBA types we have on these boards can’t supply the demand for one or two year old cars. Dealers can buy from a rental company where at least they have service records or go to the auctions where they might be forced to buy the same company’s cars that were deemed too beat or wrecked to retail.

My C250 MB dealer seems to get a lot of low mileage, 1,2 and 3 year old cars. It seems the 3 year old ones, like ours, were mostly leased cars. The 1 and 2 year olds have from about 3000 miles up to about 20000 miles on them. I thought they were executive driven cars and dealer test drive cars. Maybe they are from rental car companies.
Do you think they hand choose these or buy them in bulk, sight unseen?

I’m guessing the 3k miler is a service loaner or one operated by dealership personnel. The 1 or 2 year old 20k miler is most likely a rental. 3 year olds are undoubtedly lease returns.

Now, which one is more beat up? The loaner is like a rental where the customer says “what the heck” and feels free to stomp on it. As someone said, the lease could have abuse or neglect unless there was some free oil changes with the deal. A rental may be abused but gets at least minimum maintenance. (I know that my company gives quotas to branches for on time maintenance).

Bottom line, take it to a mechanic unless you are paying so little it doesn’t matter.

Some large dealer groups will buy cars by the hundreds. A little mom & pop store might only buy one a year to fill a customer request. Enterprise has teams of car salespeople who work with dealers just like the dealers have salespeople who work with you.

Good analysis and makes sense. How do car rental companies do their maintenance....oil changes, wiper blades, brakes etc? Do they do their own or do they use the dealer.

When I had a company car the company which was a huge company they wouldn't allow us to get maintenance done at the dealer - except for warranty work, said they charge more than the chain garages....they seemed to like Goodyear and places like that.

Big huge conglomerate and we have to try and save a few bucks on an oil change.

Enterprise has a bunch of it’s own maintenance facilities but the sheer number of cars would overwhelm them. Much of the routine stuff is done under contract with a multitude of vendors. Pick a name from the phone book and we use them.

Here’s another case of rental abuse. If you read the comments you’ll see an Enterprise manager was watching and turned them in.

o

I remember a guy telling me he would rent cars, drive them and throw them into reverse. Maybe it doesn't happen too often, but, how would you like to buy that car?

I can honestly say I don't know anyone that would do that and surely no one dumb enough to admit it.

jmonroe

I used to do that with my own car as a stupid youth. No telling what I would have done with a rental.

qbrozen

suydam said:

My 2014 Encore has a backup camera and BLIS. Not the top trim level either.

My '67 Dodge has backup cam and BLIS. I call them my eyes and brain.

Sandman6472

That red convertible with the seat that rotated was probably a 1961 or 1962 T-bird by Ford. The gauges look like Ford gauges and so did that steering wheel. My grandpa had a new Imperial like every year from like 1958 till 1967 and their steering wheels and seats looked quite different. Many of their 60's steering wheels were oval shaped and looked quite funny compared to GM's rounded ones. My folks only had GM's during the 50 through the 90's with a couple Lincoln Continental's and Grand Marquis's thrown in the mix.
Those years were when cars were really cars and looked different from one year to the next. Too expensive now to be doing that, but hey, would still be so nice if they still did!

roadburner

qbrozen said:

suydam said:

My 2014 Encore has a backup camera and BLIS. Not the top trim level either.

My '67 Dodge has backup cam and BLIS. I call them my eyes and brain.

But no one wants to have to use them more than absolutely necessary.

roadburner

All but two of my BMWs have been purchased used, the last four were off-lease cars. No issues whatsoever. As far as I'm concerned, depreciation is my best friend- it let's me get a 2 year old M235i for the price of a mid-range Camry or a three year old X1 M Sport for less than the price of a base 3 cylinder AWD EcoSport.

stickguy

I got eyes too. In theory a brain (don't as the wife about that one). And with them there is still a blind spot behind our CUV that can hide a smart car.

Cars used to not have rear view mirrors either. Are those extraneous too? I just consider BLIS an evolutionary step in mirror technology. Especially in low visibility time. I don't care how good your eyes are, at night in the rain it is darned hard to spot an idiot without lights on. and you can only look one direction at a time so if someone suddenly cuts into your flank it is nice to have the heads up. And sometimes, you can just miss something especially on a busy multi lane highway.

Hey, the average driver these days seems to be barely above functional level, and if I have to drive with them, I want as many "eyes" looking out for me as possible. More data, can't possibly hurt. And no, I don't (and no one should) trust them alone, and still check mirrors, etc, exactly as I do in the car without the helper. But given a choice, I always want the back up system if I can have it.

I just think it is selling the value way short to just dismiss the features as some sort of frivolous thing that only someone that doesn't know how to drive could possibly find useful. And no ones eyes are good enough to see through a hulking PU truck when backing out of a parking spot.

qbrozen

I don’t mean to imply they are frivolous. I do like having a backup cam. I still don’t pay attention to BLIS But I and millions of others have managed to drive a lot of miles over a lot of years without getting into an accident that could have been prevented by these advancements, so I simply don’t see them as necessities and would never make a purchase decision based on their presence/absence.

ab348

Sandman6472 said:

That red convertible with the seat that rotated was probably a 1961 or 1962 T-bird by Ford. The gauges look like Ford gauges and so did that steering wheel. My grandpa had a new Imperial like every year from like 1958 till 1967 and their steering wheels and seats looked quite different. Many of their 60's steering wheels were oval shaped and looked quite funny compared to GM's rounded ones. My folks only had GM's during the 50 through the 90's with a couple Lincoln Continental's and Grand Marquis's thrown in the mix.
Those years were when cars were really cars and looked different from one year to the next. Too expensive now to be doing that, but hey, would still be so nice if they still did!

Well, it says "IMPERIAL" on the sill plate.

driver100

When the 2014 C250 came out Mercedes wanted to keep the price as low as possible to attract young new buyers.
So, The C250 Sport sedan ($35,800) is powered by a 201-horsepower turbocharged inline 4-cylinder engine mated to a 7-speed automatic transmission. C-Class options include a $2,500 Premium Package that adds 14-way power seats, SiriusXM satellite radio, a Harman Kardon surround sound system and heated front seats. The $2,860 Multimedia Package adds a rearview camera, voice control, navigation with an 80-gig hard drive and a 10-gig music register. and a Lane Tracking Package with blind spot and lane-keeping assist adds $875 to the bottom line.

Getting a backup camera would cost an additional $2860 at the time. If it meant being able to buy the car than I would do without the camera too.

I agree with stick....I can manage without the extra devices, but, if they are available I would prefer to have them.....everything helps these days.

btw... the 2014 C Class is rated very highly for workmanship, reliability, and driving experience.

tjc78

I think the government has spent less time on the 2020 budget than we have spent talking about a BU Cam!!

As for “nannies” I like having them... wouldn’t necessarily base a purchase on them but if the car has them, why not?

ab348

Question for the group: yesterday I pulled up in front of my doctor's office to drop off a form. The lot was full so since I was only going to be in there for 30 seconds I pulled in across from the office door and put on my 4-way flashers. When I opened the driver's door they shut off. I tried pushing the button again, but no go. I'd never experienced that behavior before. Is this typical of new cars now or did Cadillac/GM go with another nanny-type function?

driver100

ab348 said:

Sandman6472 said:

That red convertible with the seat that rotated was probably a 1961 or 1962 T-bird by Ford. The gauges look like Ford gauges and so did that steering wheel. My grandpa had a new Imperial like every year from like 1958 till 1967 and their steering wheels and seats looked quite different. Many of their 60's steering wheels were oval shaped and looked quite funny compared to GM's rounded ones. My folks only had GM's during the 50 through the 90's with a couple Lincoln Continental's and Grand Marquis's thrown in the mix.
Those years were when cars were really cars and looked different from one year to the next. Too expensive now to be doing that, but hey, would still be so nice if they still did!

Well, it says "IMPERIAL" on the sill plate.

Fake News
How about a Buick Flamingo....some guys may like this idea:

driver100

ab348 said:

When I opened the driver's door they shut off. I tried pushing the button again, but no go. I'd never experienced that behavior before. Is this typical of new cars now or did Cadillac/GM go with another nanny-type function?

You would think....that is exactly when they should be on! Check the manual and online to see if that is normal.

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

I got eyes too. In theory a brain (don't as the wife about that one). And with them there is still a blind spot behind our CUV that can hide a smart car.

Cars used to not have rear view mirrors either. Are those extraneous too? I just consider BLIS an evolutionary step in mirror technology. Especially in low visibility time. I don't care how good your eyes are, at night in the rain it is darned hard to spot an idiot without lights on. and you can only look one direction at a time so if someone suddenly cuts into your flank it is nice to have the heads up. And sometimes, you can just miss something especially on a busy multi lane highway.

Hey, the average driver these days seems to be barely above functional level, and if I have to drive with them, I want as many "eyes" looking out for me as possible. More data, can't possibly hurt. And no, I don't (and no one should) trust them alone, and still check mirrors, etc, exactly as I do in the car without the helper. But given a choice, I always want the back up system if I can have it.

I just think it is selling the value way short to just dismiss the features as some sort of frivolous thing that only someone that doesn't know how to drive could possibly find useful. And no ones eyes are good enough to see through a hulking PU truck when backing out of a parking spot.

Blind spot monitoring is one of the few nannies I like but you can become too dependent on it. Then you get in a car not so equipped and you forget how to turn your head.

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

Sandman6472 said:

That red convertible with the seat that rotated was probably a 1961 or 1962 T-bird by Ford. The gauges look like Ford gauges and so did that steering wheel. My grandpa had a new Imperial like every year from like 1958 till 1967 and their steering wheels and seats looked quite different. Many of their 60's steering wheels were oval shaped and looked quite funny compared to GM's rounded ones. My folks only had GM's during the 50 through the 90's with a couple Lincoln Continental's and Grand Marquis's thrown in the mix.
Those years were when cars were really cars and looked different from one year to the next. Too expensive now to be doing that, but hey, would still be so nice if they still did!

Well, it says "IMPERIAL" on the sill plate.

So driver100 should buy an old Tbird OR an old Imperial? I’d go for the Imperial as back in the 60s it was equivalent to the snob appeal of MB.🤑🤑🤑

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

When the 2014 C250 came out Mercedes wanted to keep the price as low as possible to attract young new buyers.
So, The C250 Sport sedan ($35,800) is powered by a 201-horsepower turbocharged inline 4-cylinder engine mated to a 7-speed automatic transmission. C-Class options include a $2,500 Premium Package that adds 14-way power seats, SiriusXM satellite radio, a Harman Kardon surround sound system and heated front seats. The $2,860 Multimedia Package adds a rearview camera, voice control, navigation with an 80-gig hard drive and a 10-gig music register. and a Lane Tracking Package with blind spot and lane-keeping assist adds $875 to the bottom line.

Getting a backup camera would cost an additional $2860 at the time. If it meant being able to buy the car than I would do without the camera too.

I agree with stick....I can manage without the extra devices, but, if they are available I would prefer to have them.....everything helps these days.

btw... the 2014 C Class is rated very highly for workmanship, reliability, and driving experience.

So by buying a MB without the camera and waiting a few years you saved a couple thousand? Smart man.👏

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

Question for the group: yesterday I pulled up in front of my doctor's office to drop off a form. The lot was full so since I was only going to be in there for 30 seconds I pulled in across from the office door and put on my 4-way flashers. When I opened the driver's door they shut off. I tried pushing the button again, but no go. I'd never experienced that behavior before. Is this typical of new cars now or did Cadillac/GM go with another nanny-type function?

Makes no sense at all. If you had a flat you would put on the flashers and get out to change it. Same with many emergencies. I can’t imagine GM would design a system to increase your hazard.

I’d have the dealer check that out.

fintail

My fintail has them too, via a low beltline and thin pillars.

Many modern cars, especially the bloatling CUVs adored by those who don't like cars nor driving, need all the nannies they can get to compensate for both the thing behind the wheel, and the design, which sacrifices visibility for the feeling of isolation and security.

qbrozen said:

My '67 Dodge has backup cam and BLIS. I call them my eyes and brain.

fintail

Those late run W204s have a pretty good rep. MB was out of their troubled phase by then, and the facelift kept the car current.

I think MB has a thing for not adding a feature gratis to a platform if the feature wasn't demanded when the platform was introduced. When the W204 hit the road in 2007, few cared about the nannies and didn't expect them at that price point and position in the model line. In the next few years, nannies became desired, to where virtually all E-class from 2010 onward will have a backup cam and most will have blind spot etc as well, as it was part of an option group (a "mandatory option", as I call it, as you could only have it deleted via special order) which included it. W205 C-class from 2015 onward has the same nanny logic as well, part of a common/"mandatory" group rather than a more expensive package.

driver100 said:

When the 2014 C250 came out Mercedes wanted to keep the price as low as possible to attract young new buyers.
So, The C250 Sport sedan ($35,800) is powered by a 201-horsepower turbocharged inline 4-cylinder engine mated to a 7-speed automatic transmission. C-Class options include a $2,500 Premium Package that adds 14-way power seats, SiriusXM satellite radio, a Harman Kardon surround sound system and heated front seats. The $2,860 Multimedia Package adds a rearview camera, voice control, navigation with an 80-gig hard drive and a 10-gig music register. and a Lane Tracking Package with blind spot and lane-keeping assist adds $875 to the bottom line.

btw... the 2014 C Class is rated very highly for workmanship, reliability, and driving experience.

imidazol97

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Boy, the monthly payment on those Mercedes must be tough. Some guy near me robbed a bank while driving one. Then again maybe it was the cost of out of warranty repairs. Is that a GLE?

Well since he is robber maybe he is also a car thief.

I don’t know but he robbed banks in 2005, 2010 and just recently so I’m guessing banks are his full time job.

If you’re planning to follow in this guy’s footsteps NY is the place to start since the state did away with bail and let him walk.

In Atlanta now the police couldn't even chase him in their cars if he fled (in a Mercedes?).

https://dcdirtylaundry.com/wth-atlanta-police-are-no-longer-allowed-to-chase-suspects/

abacomike

jmonroe said:

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driver100 said:

Sandman6472 said:

On new underwear, please, wash them first!!

But they come in a sealed plastic bag and have been sanitized.

Stop questioning it, just do it. My Mom washed a lot of stuff before the family used it. As a kid I thought it was kinda strange but I wasn't doing the washing so who was I to question what she did? Then I joined the Navy and was promptly taught it's not clean untill it's Navy Clean. That meant you washed EVERYTHING before you wore it and that especially applied to your skivies. You wanna question that, sign up and ask them.

jmonroe

But, they come in a package that is hermetically sealed, unless you buy yours at Goodwill.

Hint: just because they are packaged in cellophane does not mean they are "hermetically sealed". Didn't want you to go through life with another bit of misinformation.

jmonroe

They say some germs are good for you. If you don't encounter some germs you won't build up resistance. If you get your underwear at the 2nd hand store....best to use bleach and wash first.

I am just joking about this.....you should wash clothes first because of chemicals used to make clothing, but, if it is all sealed in plastic with all the cardboard and everything on it you probably won't die or get a serious skin rash if you don't wash it.

Now lets get back to more important stuff......like, how do you find a battery powered backup camera?

Your'e looking in the wrong place. I found them in a '15 Genny wannabe and a grocery getting '18 Legacy.

jmonroe

Not so easy in a pre-2015 car. By the time of the 2018 Legacy they were mandatory.

It was pretty easy for me with pre-2015 cars.

My '09 Genny had it and so did Mrs. j's '12 Legacy. Like I said, you're looking in the wrong places

jmonroe

Well, they had to put them on those cars to try and help them sell better.

Laugh all you want but I have had them since '09. And like I have said before if other brands offered them as almost standard on models other than the most basic trim levels, anyone buying a luxo brand of any model/trim should have the right to expect it but apparently don't always get it. However, they do get the all important coveted badge.

jmonroe

They only cost $120 to add to a car.....too trifling for Mercedes to bother with.
Besides, people who appreciate cars and driving can back up without a camera!

Yet you feel you need/want one...Hmmmm

jmonroe

Must be a "STATUS SYMBOL" then! 😜🤪

graphicguy

explorerx4 said:

Miami Ohio is playing their football Bowl game on Monday.
Can't help but think back to Lance Guidry's pregame speech from about 10 years ago.
He wasn't the head coach, but an assistant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQwLJjRMag8

My Alma Mater.

Side note...posted over at CCBA, but I pulled the trigger on this yesterday....

https://jeffwylerfairfieldkia.com/new/Kia/2019-Kia-Stinger-aec4c42e0a0e0ae84bbdfcb835c62e7c.htm?mycarsr=vdp-recentCars

fintail

I suppose if zero-cred wingnut Dean Garrison's kin had been harmed in a pointless chase, he wouldn't so glibly remark "Tragedies will happen and that is unfortunate."

imidazol97 said:

In Atlanta now the police couldn't even chase him in their cars if he fled (in a Mercedes?).

https://dcdirtylaundry.com/wth-atlanta-police-are-no-longer-allowed-to-chase-suspects/

Sandman6472

I didn't see the sill plate, my eye sight ain't perfect to be honest. Thanks for pointing out my mistake!

snakeweasel

roadburner said:

All but two of my BMWs have been purchased used, the last four were off-lease cars. No issues whatsoever. As far as I'm concerned, depreciation is my best friend- it let's me get a 2 year old M235i for the price of a mid-range Camry or a three year old X1 M Sport for less than the price of a base 3 cylinder AWD EcoSport.

IIRC the average new car will lose at least 20% of its value in the first year and for the next 5 years lose at least 15% per year. I'll let someone else take that hit.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

Sandman6472 said:

That red convertible with the seat that rotated was probably a 1961 or 1962 T-bird by Ford. The gauges look like Ford gauges and so did that steering wheel. My grandpa had a new Imperial like every year from like 1958 till 1967 and their steering wheels and seats looked quite different. Many of their 60's steering wheels were oval shaped and looked quite funny compared to GM's rounded ones. My folks only had GM's during the 50 through the 90's with a couple Lincoln Continental's and Grand Marquis's thrown in the mix.
Those years were when cars were really cars and looked different from one year to the next. Too expensive now to be doing that, but hey, would still be so nice if they still did!

Well, it says "IMPERIAL" on the sill plate.

Fake News
How about a Buick Flamingo....some guys may like this idea:

Now that's a backup camera.

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Boy, the monthly payment on those Mercedes must be tough. Some guy near me robbed a bank while driving one. Then again maybe it was the cost of out of warranty repairs. Is that a GLE?

Well since he is robber maybe he is also a car thief.

I don’t know but he robbed banks in 2005, 2010 and just recently so I’m guessing banks are his full time job.

If you’re planning to follow in this guy’s footsteps NY is the place to start since the state did away with bail and let him walk.

In Atlanta now the police couldn't even chase him in their cars if he fled (in a Mercedes?).

https://dcdirtylaundry.com/wth-atlanta-police-are-no-longer-allowed-to-chase-suspects/

What’s funny is that not chasing these clowns doesn’t mean they won’t kill someone. A few years ago a nearby city with a chase cut off policy suspended a pursuit. The creep continued driving at high speed and a few miles later crashed, killing an innocent victim.

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

explorerx4 said:

Miami Ohio is playing their football Bowl game on Monday.
Can't help but think back to Lance Guidry's pregame speech from about 10 years ago.
He wasn't the head coach, but an assistant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQwLJjRMag8

My Alma Mater.

Side note...posted over at CCBA, but I pulled the trigger on this yesterday....

https://jeffwylerfairfieldkia.com/new/Kia/2019-Kia-Stinger-aec4c42e0a0e0ae84bbdfcb835c62e7c.htm?mycarsr=vdp-recentCars

Beautiful! Buy or lease? I thought you had nixed the idea because of resale/reliability concerns. Edit: never mind, went to CCBA. I never thought you’d buy it. Was certain you’d lease.

$17k off sticker, that’s amazing. What's the deal, are they selling that poorly or did Kia price them too high out of the box? If in the future Kias gain the cache’ of say BMW you might have just pulled off the purchase of the decade.

Certainly a fast car. It will beat a Mustang GT off the line.

oldfarmer50

Sandman6472 said:

I didn't see the sill plate, my eye sight ain't perfect to be honest. Thanks for pointing out my mistake!

That picture was from a google search for Tbird swivel seat so we were both mislead.

imidazol97

I've learned I can't trust Google. They come up with wrong year, models, and even different brands. 0

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

I've learned I can't trust Google. They come up with wrong year, models, and even different brands. 0

What, can’t trust a company that sells search rankings to the highest bidder?

houdini1

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

Sandman6472 said:

On new underwear, please, wash them first!!

But they come in a sealed plastic bag and have been sanitized.

Stop questioning it, just do it. My Mom washed a lot of stuff before the family used it. As a kid I thought it was kinda strange but I wasn't doing the washing so who was I to question what she did? Then I joined the Navy and was promptly taught it's not clean untill it's Navy Clean. That meant you washed EVERYTHING before you wore it and that especially applied to your skivies. You wanna question that, sign up and ask them.

jmonroe

But, they come in a package that is hermetically sealed, unless you buy yours at Goodwill.

Washing before you wear makes new items feel softer, gets rid of some of the chemicals in new material, and makes sure they are clean.

tjc78

I never wash anything new before wearing... same for my wife and kids. So far so good.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

When the 2014 C250 came out Mercedes wanted to keep the price as low as possible to attract young new buyers.
So, The C250 Sport sedan ($35,800) is powered by a 201-horsepower turbocharged inline 4-cylinder engine mated to a 7-speed automatic transmission. C-Class options include a $2,500 Premium Package that adds 14-way power seats, SiriusXM satellite radio, a Harman Kardon surround sound system and heated front seats. The $2,860 Multimedia Package adds a rearview camera, voice control, navigation with an 80-gig hard drive and a 10-gig music register. and a Lane Tracking Package with blind spot and lane-keeping assist adds $875 to the bottom line.

Getting a backup camera would cost an additional $2860 at the time. If it meant being able to buy the car than I would do without the camera too.

I agree with stick....I can manage without the extra devices, but, if they are available I would prefer to have them.....everything helps these days.

btw... the 2014 C Class is rated very highly for workmanship, reliability, and driving experience.

So by buying a MB without the camera and waiting a few years you saved a couple thousand? Smart man.👏

Exactly, now it will only cost me $600 to get one.

driver100

fintail said:

Those late run W204s have a pretty good rep. MB was out of their troubled phase by then, and the facelift kept the car current.

I think MB has a thing for not adding a feature gratis to a platform if the feature wasn't demanded when the platform was introduced. When the W204 hit the road in 2007, few cared about the nannies and didn't expect them at that price point and position in the model line. In the next few years, nannies became desired, to where virtually all E-class from 2010 onward will have a backup cam and most will have blind spot etc as well, as it was part of an option group (a "mandatory option", as I call it, as you could only have it deleted via special order) which included it. W205 C-class from 2015 onward has the same nanny logic as well, part of a common/"mandatory" group rather than a more expensive package.

driver100 said:

When the 2014 C250 came out Mercedes wanted to keep the price as low as possible to attract young new buyers.
So, The C250 Sport sedan ($35,800) is powered by a 201-horsepower turbocharged inline 4-cylinder engine mated to a 7-speed automatic transmission. C-Class options include a $2,500 Premium Package that adds 14-way power seats, SiriusXM satellite radio, a Harman Kardon surround sound system and heated front seats. The $2,860 Multimedia Package adds a rearview camera, voice control, navigation with an 80-gig hard drive and a 10-gig music register. and a Lane Tracking Package with blind spot and lane-keeping assist adds $875 to the bottom line.

btw... the 2014 C Class is rated very highly for workmanship, reliability, and driving experience.

Maybe it is a marketing scheme. They know most people will pay for things that are truly useful....at least for the first few years. The buyer is thinking....I really want this MB, might as well throw in a few $1000s to get a backup camera and BLIS.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

Sandman6472 said:

That red convertible with the seat that rotated was probably a 1961 or 1962 T-bird by Ford. The gauges look like Ford gauges and so did that steering wheel. My grandpa had a new Imperial like every year from like 1958 till 1967 and their steering wheels and seats looked quite different. Many of their 60's steering wheels were oval shaped and looked quite funny compared to GM's rounded ones. My folks only had GM's during the 50 through the 90's with a couple Lincoln Continental's and Grand Marquis's thrown in the mix.
Those years were when cars were really cars and looked different from one year to the next. Too expensive now to be doing that, but hey, would still be so nice if they still did!

Well, it says "IMPERIAL" on the sill plate.

Fake News
How about a Buick Flamingo....some guys may like this idea:

Now that's a backup camera.

Now, I have heard of back seat drivers but "back facing seat drivers"?

houdini1

driver100 said:

suydam said:

My 2014 Encore has a backup camera and BLIS. Not the top trim level either.

They don't need all those fancy extras when the car sells itself without them.

Stripped down ex rental?

fintail

There's definitely some truth to that. Kind of the way I look at it, already in this deep, what's another few grand, or $35/month on the lease. No doubt this stuff also carries an obscene profit margin, which subsidizes the leases and drives sales. It's a funny business model.

driver100 said:

Maybe it is a marketing scheme. They know most people will pay for things that are truly useful....at least for the first few years. The buyer is thinking....I really want this MB, might as well throw in a few $1000s to get a backup camera and BLIS.

jmonroe

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

Sandman6472 said:

That red convertible with the seat that rotated was probably a 1961 or 1962 T-bird by Ford. The gauges look like Ford gauges and so did that steering wheel. My grandpa had a new Imperial like every year from like 1958 till 1967 and their steering wheels and seats looked quite different. Many of their 60's steering wheels were oval shaped and looked quite funny compared to GM's rounded ones. My folks only had GM's during the 50 through the 90's with a couple Lincoln Continental's and Grand Marquis's thrown in the mix.
Those years were when cars were really cars and looked different from one year to the next. Too expensive now to be doing that, but hey, would still be so nice if they still did!

Well, it says "IMPERIAL" on the sill plate.

Fake News
How about a Buick Flamingo....some guys may like this idea:

Now that's a backup camera.

Now, I have heard of back seat drivers but "back facing seat drivers"?

You really do need help. That is NOT the driver in that pic, it's a passenger. C'mon man, Ray Charles could see that. But you got credit for another post. Are they really that important to you?

jmonroe

driver100

Back seat drivers are people how to tell you how to drive while they are sitting in the back seat...they don't actually drive the car. This person tells you how to drive when you are going backwards. Got it?

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

graphicguy said:

explorerx4 said:

Miami Ohio is playing their football Bowl game on Monday.
Can't help but think back to Lance Guidry's pregame speech from about 10 years ago.
He wasn't the head coach, but an assistant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQwLJjRMag8

My Alma Mater.

Side note...posted over at CCBA, but I pulled the trigger on this yesterday....

https://jeffwylerfairfieldkia.com/new/Kia/2019-Kia-Stinger-aec4c42e0a0e0ae84bbdfcb835c62e7c.htm?mycarsr=vdp-recentCars

Beautiful! Buy or lease? I thought you had nixed the idea because of resale/reliability concerns. Edit: never mind, went to CCBA. I never thought you’d buy it. Was certain you’d lease.

$17k off sticker, that’s amazing. What's the deal, are they selling that poorly or did Kia price them too high out of the box? If in the future Kias gain the cache’ of say BMW you might have just pulled off the purchase of the decade.

Certainly a fast car. It will beat a Mustang GT off the line.

graphicguy said:
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My Alma Mater.

Side note...posted over at CCBA, but I pulled the trigger on this yesterday....

https://jeffwylerfairfieldkia.com/new/Kia/2019-Kia-Stinger-aec4c42e0a0e0ae84bbdfcb835c62e7c.htm?mycarsr=vdp-recentCars

So does this mean GG bought a new Stinger?
If he did, congratulations, looks good and seems like a great deal.
Wondering if you took it at the deep discounted price or did you negotiate anything?
Guess we might not hear from him for awhile...probably out cruising around.