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  • sdasda Member Posts: 7,634
    ronsteve said:

    fintail said:

    I'm a jerk who likes workmanship and good design, so I guess I fit in.

    From what I can tell, the title of the scholarly piece should have named BMW or Audi. B)

    In my (admittedly anecdotal) experience, Audi seems to have surpassed BMW for owners of their cars driving like jerks. But you can find jerks and jackasses behind the wheel of any make and model.

    I think I have noticed "themes" of inconsiderate drivers on some days... especially when I am out cycling. Some days it's poorly driven Fusions, or poorly driven pickups, and the BMW drivers I encounter are the ones that make the cleanest passes. Sometimes even Audi drivers give me plenty of room.
    ronsteve said:

    fintail said:

    I'm a jerk who likes workmanship and good design, so I guess I fit in.

    From what I can tell, the title of the scholarly piece should have named BMW or Audi. B)

    In my (admittedly anecdotal) experience, Audi seems to have surpassed BMW for owners of their cars driving like jerks. But you can find jerks and jackasses behind the wheel of any make and model.

    I think I have noticed "themes" of inconsiderate drivers on some days... especially when I am out cycling. Some days it's poorly driven Fusions, or poorly driven pickups, and the BMW drivers I encounter are the ones that make the cleanest passes. Sometimes even Audi drivers give me plenty of room.
    OK, be kind. Rough crowd.

    2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech

  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Member Posts: 5,625
    edited February 2020
    Well, there's lots of farm equipment manufactured in Iowa, so perhaps there's that..
    '08 Acura TSX, '17 Subaru Forester
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,587
    I think the Iowa jab is more about the (in) ability to handle tech. I don't think they've made roadgoing cars in modern times though, maybe not in the past century, so that's not a concern. To their credit, they have lots of Culvers, so all is not lost.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    andres3 said:

    Not political, but does Iowa manufacture any cars? I want to put those on my "do not use list" :smile:

    Well there are auto parts manufacturers across Iowa but I dont think any cars are assembled there. Now John Deere has some factories there so Oldfarmer may want to watch out.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594

    ronsteve said:

    In my (admittedly anecdotal) experience, Audi seems to have surpassed BMW for owners of their cars driving like jerks. But you can find jerks and jackasses behind the wheel of any make and model.

    sda said: OK, be kind. Rough crowd.


    If we were talking about people that would be politically incorrect thing to say....showing bias against Audi and BMW owners. :@

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    Tjc and Fintail, good luck in your job search. You both have a positive never give up attitude, which is absolutely necessary these days more than ever. I have been out of work so many times I can't count them all. I hate looking for work...finding a job is a full time job in itself and it is harder than actually working...and without pay.
    Hopefully you will end up being better off and much happier. It is like most things, you just need to match up with the right position that you have the qualifications for. Not always easy, but it does happen.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,711
    edited February 2020

    If we were talking about people that would be politically incorrect thing to say....showing bias against Audi and BMW owners. :@

    Well being politically incorrect never stopped anyone from showing bias against GM. . . . . :(

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594


    If we were talking about people that would be politically incorrect thing to say....showing bias against Audi and BMW owners. :@

    Well being politically incorrect never stopped anyone from showing bias against GM. . . . . :(


    Yeh, but we haven't done that for a long time now :s

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    driver100 said:

    Tjc and Fintail, good luck in your job search. You both have a positive never give up attitude, which is absolutely necessary these days more than ever. I have been out of work so many times I can't count them all. I hate looking for work...finding a job is a full time job in itself and it is harder than actually working...and without pay.
    Hopefully you will end up being better off and much happier. It is like most things, you just need to match up with the right position that you have the qualifications for. Not always easy, but it does happen.

    Agree. I am sure you guys won't be out of work much longer, and both of you will be better off than before. Keep the faith, someone will recognize your talents soon.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,153

    andres3 said:

    Not political, but does Iowa manufacture any cars? I want to put those on my "do not use list" :smile:

    Well there are auto parts manufacturers across Iowa but I dont think any cars are assembled there. Now John Deere has some factories there so Oldfarmer may want to watch out.
    John Deere has some huge factories there. Good folks...technical folks on the cutting edge of tech and manufacturing. Iowa’s a bit of a hassle in the dead of winter, but they handle it well. I actually quite like the state. Don’t know why anyone wouldn’t and would besmirch the people there.
    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,153
    edited February 2020
    To the pundits who say “the type of gas you use doesn’t matter, regardless of what the manufacturer says”.

    I went to Indianapolis to visit my older sister last weekend. On that trip, I usually get about 36-38 MPG round trip (~225 miles). Because I was running late, and I the “low fuel” light was on in my TLX, I stopped at one of those “no name” gas stations on I74 for a fill up. We all know the type. Kind of dumpy place with a name no one would recognize. They has one island and two pumps...pretty small by today’s standards.

    Anyway, got to the pumps and there was a handwritten note taped over the “premium” selector stating “out of premium...regular only”. I know they just mix tanks to get 91+ octane, but apparently, they couldn’t even do that.

    Result? Nothing harmful but power was definitely down and MPG dropped to 26 MPG.

    Given I’ve been driving the Stinger this week, I finally took the TLX out to get a fill up at Costco last night. Night and day difference. All of a sudden, the power came back, the engine became immediately smoother, and at least the 20 miles I drove, the MPG went back up to where it usually is.

    For an Acura with the 3.5L, there is definitely a difference when you use premium over regular octane fuel.
    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356

    andres3 said:

    Not political, but does Iowa manufacture any cars? I want to put those on my "do not use list" :smile:

    Well there are auto parts manufacturers across Iowa but I dont think any cars are assembled there. Now John Deere has some factories there so Oldfarmer may want to watch out.
    John Deere has some huge factories there. Good folks...technical folks on the cutting edge of tech and manufacturing. Iowa’s a bit of a hassle in the dead of winter, but they handle it well. I actually quite like the state. Don’t know why anyone wouldn’t and would besmirch the people there.
    Couldn't agree more. I have done quite a bit of business in Iowa in the past, including with John Deere, and everyone there I found to be very professional and easy to do business with.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,133
    @driver100 @houdini1
    Thanks for the kind words!

    2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Icon I6L Golf Cart

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,652
    Driver, agreed. I should look for a new job, for various reasons, but I really hate the whole process. So I put it off.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,652
    GG, I think it was the gas Brand or station you used. Not the octane. Unless they majorly changed the 3.5 compared to my RDX, which I don’t think they did.

    I’ve gone back and forth between regular and premium. Still tons of power on RUG. If it dialed any back, I can’t tell. And I’ve not seen any change in MPG. Actually, a couple of my record 30+) trips have been on RUG.

    If there was a difference, no way IMO it could take a 40% hit on mileage.

    As a test, next time it’s low, put in Costco RUG and see what happens!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • dino001dino001 Member Posts: 6,191
    edited February 2020

    To the pundits who say “the type of gas you use doesn’t matter, regardless of what the manufacturer says”.

    I went to Indianapolis to visit my older sister last weekend. On that trip, I usually get about 36-38 MPG round trip (~225 miles). Because I was running late, and I the “low fuel” light was on in my TLX, I stopped at one of those “no name” gas stations on I74 for a fill up. We all know the type. Kind of dumpy place with a name no one would recognize. They has one island and two pumps...pretty small by today’s standards.

    Anyway, got to the pumps and there was a handwritten note taped over the “premium” selector stating “out of premium...regular only”. I know they just mix tanks to get 91+ octane, but apparently, they couldn’t even do that.

    Result? Noting harmful but power was definitely down and MPG dropped to 26 MPG.

    Given I’ve been driving the Stinger this week, I finally took the TLX out to get a fill up at Costco last night. Night and day difference. All of a sudden, the power came back, the engine became immediately smoother, and at least the 20 miles I drove, the MPG went back up to where it usually is.

    For an Acura with the 3.5L, there is definitely a difference when you use premium over regular octane fuel.

    I don't use places like those, unless I have no choice. I don't like using them even when driving a rental car on vacation. I would have looked up on the phone/car map if there are better gas stations nearby, if not, I'd fill only small amount to get me to another place and later filled up with good stuff. I buy only Costco when at home and Shell or Chevron when on the road. I know some chains that have nice stores with decent deli and all (Wawa, Flying J, etc.), I just got used to going to those few brands.

    2018 430i Gran Coupe

  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,153
    You guys might be right. Those no name places...I know they buy off the spot market. And, I always ASSUME they have the minimum additives required by law. Who knows how old the gas was, though. It was the only gas station off the interstate for 10 miles in either direction, though. So, I would hope they sell through in a timely manner.

    What I do know, my TLX runs a whole lot better on PUG from Costco than that other stuff.
    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592

    andres3 said:

    Not political, but does Iowa manufacture any cars? I want to put those on my "do not use list" :smile:

    Well there are auto parts manufacturers across Iowa but I dont think any cars are assembled there. Now John Deere has some factories there so Oldfarmer may want to watch out.
    John Deere has some huge factories there. Good folks...technical folks on the cutting edge of tech and manufacturing. Iowa’s a bit of a hassle in the dead of winter, but they handle it well. I actually quite like the state. Don’t know why anyone wouldn’t and would besmirch the people there.
    Regarding John Deere, they have a farm and tractor museum in Waterloo, IA, a large pavilion in the Quad Cities where they have all types of farm equipment on display all hands on and a recreated homestead of John Deeres homestead in Grand Detour, IL with working blacksmith shop. All very educational and all with the low admission cost of free.

    Regarding the people of Iowa we spent some time las summer in and around Pella. Beautiful town with great people. I could retire there if not for these blasted Midwest winters.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • pensfan83pensfan83 Member Posts: 2,767
    1 car requires PUG
    1 car recommends PUG
    1 recommends RUG

    We just use PUG in everything though.
    1997 Honda Prelude Base - 2022 Acura MDX Type S Advance - 2021 Honda Passport Sport - 2006 BMW 330Ci ZHP
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,711


    What I do know, my TLX runs a whole lot better on PUG from Costco than that other stuff.

    I agree with the folks suggesting that _some_ if not most of the nameless stations get fuel that is spot market. It may be aged and may not reach the standards designated on the pump for the octane. I would never gas up at a totally off station unless desperate. Then I would put in some and drive on to a name brand station.

    For decades Ohio has been criticized for not have quality testing of their fuels sold. I used to visit in Michigan and their pumps had an 800 number to call if concerned about the quality of the fuels sold there. People suggested that Ohio even received fuels that would not meet the quality requirements in other states as a place to dump below quality fuels.

    Were I GG, I'd continue with what works well. Here I get fuel discounts at UDF quick markets and at Kroger stores. I use their fuels and both "guarantee" their quality. That's mostly for the Cobalt while the Malibu gets lots of Shell and BP. I don't buy at some of the independent stations.

    We did have a Casey's open and they have a line of no alcohol fuel. I'm tempted to try that, which I believe is above RUG in octane and one version may be premium.

    I do know my leSabre 3800 got better mileage fueling in TN at Shell when leaving for home than at Shell here with up to 10% alcohol. I was under the impression the TN fuel did not have alcohol in it.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,587
    Thanks, I am optimistic for both of us. It's a sometimes annoyingly slow process, but it will be worth it in the end. The big deal right now is trying to keep my spending in line and not take a warm weather vacation during a remarkably dreary month of local weather. Cabin fever is nigh.

    For the fuel discussion, both cars get PUG only, always Costco or Chevron, Relating it to Iowa, I recall when I was there in the eventually smashed Grand Cherokee rental, I bought the cheapest fuel (a mixture of corn and turpentine, perhaps) at a local Casey's, and regretted it, as mileage went through the floor. After that, just normal fuel.
    houdini1 said:

    driver100 said:


    Agree. I am sure you guys won't be out of work much longer, and both of you will be better off than before. Keep the faith, someone will recognize your talents soon.

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,711
    edited February 2020
    fintail said:


    For the fuel discussion, both cars get PUG only, always Costco or Chevron, Relating it to Iowa, I recall when I was there in the eventually smashed Grand Cherokee rental, I bought the cheapest fuel (a mixture of corn and turpentine, perhaps) at a local Casey's, and regretted it, as mileage went through the floor. After that, just normal fuel.

    LOL. Caseys. They also have an 80% ethanol IIRC from when I tried to look it up. Maybe that's what you put in? They advertise 3 prices or so on their sign, and I think the 80% is the cheapest here at least. If 80% ethanol regular goes in with a partial tank of PUG with 10% ethanol, the car may not do great but not shut down--unless it's a flex fuel vehicle.

    And it may be there's something weird -- maybe it's that the 80% ethanol is 89 octane due to ethanol's octane enhancement characterists.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,587
    Whatever the cheapest was, I bought it, at least that one time. I suspect the mpg difference alone helped a lot with the price. It didn't have a PUG recommendation that I recall, and was a rental, so I didn't think much of it. It didn't seem to change the way it ran, just swilled fuel, I could easily tell the difference after filling it up.

    Funny thing, I remember after the rental was taken off the road, they tried to ding me for it having only half a tank. I had to call in and clarify that the car was crashed. I kept track of that car with the VIN, it eventually went to a salvage auction, was rebuilt and resold.


    LOL. Caseys. They also have an 80% ethanol IIRC from when I tried to look it up. Maybe that's what you put in? They advertise 3 prices or so on their sign, and I think the 80% is the cheapest here at least. If 80% ethanol regular goes in with a partial tank of PUG with 10% ethanol, the car may not do great but not shut down--unless it's a flex fuel vehicle.

    And it may be there's something weird -- maybe it's that the 80% ethanol is 89 octane due to ethanol's octane enhancement characterists.

  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356

    You guys might be right. Those no name places...I know they buy off the spot market. And, I always ASSUME they have the minimum additives required by law. Who knows how old the gas was, though. It was the only gas station off the interstate for 10 miles in either direction, though. So, I would hope they sell through in a timely manner.

    What I do know, my TLX runs a whole lot better on PUG from Costco than that other stuff.

    I'd vote for old gas, maybe some water in it.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,874
    One of my kids put E85 in her Escape by mistake.
    After a while the check engine light came on, but it seemed to run ok.
    She took it to the dealer and they to to run it put or keep topping off with normal gas.
    It isn't labeled as a flex fuel vehicle.
    She ran it down and after a few miles on gas, the light went out.
    I was pretty nervous for a while.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,711
    On a trip through Kentucky to Pigeon Forge, I filled up with a name brand, top tier brand gas and started out. The car gave a burp feeling accelerating on the ramp. This is the dependable 3800 in my 03 leSabre. It didn't act right but ran, just wasn't as responsive as it had been. I kept filling up with premium fuel every 3 or so gallons the tank went down and it got better, as the percentage of the "bad" gas left in the tank went lower.

    I called the company for the station for which I also used their brand credit card. They gave me credit for that 3/4 tank fill up and apologized.

    I wondered if the station was "bootlegging" some gasoline they could buy cheap. I sometimes recall the stop when we went past that same station on later trips. I never stopped there again in southern Kentucky.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,343
    qbrozen said:

    You mean your buddy? So how much commission you get for netting him viewers? I hope it is worth your soul. ;b
    Well I’ll be damned!


    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,343
    fintail said:

    I am still enjoying it a bit, I must have had more burnout than I realized. I do fear some cabin fever within a month or so though. I am also in touch with old co-workers who tell me things are even worse back on the battleground, so I am not feeling bad. This will end up being a blessing in disguise.

    I am in the multiple interview process with a couple positions I initially applied for in November - seems things move slowly this time of year, both involve people out of the office a bit right now. No idea about compensation or perks yet, but both could be interesting, which is worth something - so far I am only pursuing things that look like they might keep me going, and I've only applied locally. Panic mode is a ways away yet.

    I hope you have some stuff in the pipeline too - it's out there, some people just take their time.

    tjc78 said:



    @fintail
    Any bites yet? I'm tiring of being home, I can tell you that!

    I don’t know if I ever mentioned this but one big reason I went into business for myself was the long periods of time it took to get re employed after a termination. I hated the uncertainty and the debasement of groveling to some indifferent corporate stooge. Finally decided that if I was going to suffer it would be to build my own brand, not someone else’s.

    I think corporations for some time have taken the position to play wait and see rather than hire someone and have to get rid of them later. Our litigious society makes it tough to hire on faith any more. Combine that with the risk of workplace violence and a company has to act like they’re hiring the next Pope.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592

    fintail said:

    I am still enjoying it a bit, I must have had more burnout than I realized. I do fear some cabin fever within a month or so though. I am also in touch with old co-workers who tell me things are even worse back on the battleground, so I am not feeling bad. This will end up being a blessing in disguise.

    I am in the multiple interview process with a couple positions I initially applied for in November - seems things move slowly this time of year, both involve people out of the office a bit right now. No idea about compensation or perks yet, but both could be interesting, which is worth something - so far I am only pursuing things that look like they might keep me going, and I've only applied locally. Panic mode is a ways away yet.

    I hope you have some stuff in the pipeline too - it's out there, some people just take their time.

    tjc78 said:



    @fintail
    Any bites yet? I'm tiring of being home, I can tell you that!

    I don’t know if I ever mentioned this but one big reason I went into business for myself was the long periods of time it took to get re employed after a termination. I hated the uncertainty and the debasement of groveling to some indifferent corporate stooge. Finally decided that if I was going to suffer it would be to build my own brand, not someone else’s.

    I think corporations for some time have taken the position to play wait and see rather than hire someone and have to get rid of them later. Our litigious society makes it tough to hire on faith any more. Combine that with the risk of workplace violence and a company has to act like they’re hiring the next Pope.
    I've always was able to find some employment within a couple of weeks after termination, basically consulting or temp work that usually held me over until a permanent position opened.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,343
    edited February 2020

    To the pundits who say “the type of gas you use doesn’t matter, regardless of what the manufacturer says”.

    I went to Indianapolis to visit my older sister last weekend. On that trip, I usually get about 36-38 MPG round trip (~225 miles). Because I was running late, and I the “low fuel” light was on in my TLX, I stopped at one of those “no name” gas stations on I74 for a fill up. We all know the type. Kind of dumpy place with a name no one would recognize. They has one island and two pumps...pretty small by today’s standards.

    Anyway, got to the pumps and there was a handwritten note taped over the “premium” selector stating “out of premium...regular only”. I know they just mix tanks to get 91+ octane, but apparently, they couldn’t even do that.

    Result? Nothing harmful but power was definitely down and MPG dropped to 26 MPG.

    Given I’ve been driving the Stinger this week, I finally took the TLX out to get a fill up at Costco last night. Night and day difference. All of a sudden, the power came back, the engine became immediately smoother, and at least the 20 miles I drove, the MPG went back up to where it usually is.

    For an Acura with the 3.5L, there is definitely a difference when you use premium over regular octane fuel.

    I’m shocked at the drop in gas mileage.

    Before the upgrades my Ford “recommended” Premium but regular could be used. Hp would take a 5% hit. I never tried it out to see if mileage would suffer too.

    Now I can’t use anything less than 91 octane. It’s worth it I think.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,343

    One of my kids put E85 in her Escape by mistake.
    After a while the check engine light came on, but it seemed to run ok.
    She took it to the dealer and they to to run it put or keep topping off with normal gas.
    It isn't labeled as a flex fuel vehicle.
    She ran it down and after a few miles on gas, the light went out.
    I was pretty nervous for a while.

    Don’t flex fuel rated cars just have gaskets and such that are resistant to the higher level of ethanol?

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,587
    That happened to my mom's Camry a while back, went to a cheaper station and got a tank of watered down/dirty fuel. The car made it about 5 miles, then dead in the water. Had to be towed to the dealer to be drained and flushed. Took months to be reimbursed - apparently a dozen or so people had the same experience.
    houdini1 said:


    I'd vote for old gas, maybe some water in it.

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,652

    One of my kids put E85 in her Escape by mistake.
    After a while the check engine light came on, but it seemed to run ok.
    She took it to the dealer and they to to run it put or keep topping off with normal gas.
    It isn't labeled as a flex fuel vehicle.
    She ran it down and after a few miles on gas, the light went out.
    I was pretty nervous for a while.

    Don’t flex fuel rated cars just have gaskets and such that are resistant to the higher level of ethanol?
    pretty much. maybe tuning adjusted to help accommodate it.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,153
    When local, I use nothing but Costco PUG. It’s top tier and usually several ¢ cheaper on the gallon. But, being on the road, I’m relatively captive to whatever I can find, when I need it.
    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • dino001dino001 Member Posts: 6,191
    edited February 2020

    One of my kids put E85 in her Escape by mistake.
    After a while the check engine light came on, but it seemed to run ok.
    She took it to the dealer and they to to run it put or keep topping off with normal gas.
    It isn't labeled as a flex fuel vehicle.
    She ran it down and after a few miles on gas, the light went out.
    I was pretty nervous for a while.

    Don’t flex fuel rated cars just have gaskets and such that are resistant to the higher level of ethanol?
    Flex fuel cars can take both fuels. Normal fuel cars should not get E85. I think his Escape was not flex fuel rated, thus the whole nervousness. I suspect there is no immediate damage to engine from 85% ethanol, but it probably messes with the ECU due to the different combustion characteristics and the oxygen sensors going crazy. It's kind of like putting regular into a high performance engine, probably a bit worse in terms of the hit on the performance. There may be some serious long term issues, if done repeatedly, mostly due ethanol acting like a solvent on the rubber elements and I think there is water traces in the ethanol from distillation process. Best way to deal with it is either drain it, if you can, or burn it off quickly - go on a trip and frequently fuel up with normal gasoline to dilute the ethanol up to the point of normal content (which is currently present int almost all commercial gas).

    2018 430i Gran Coupe

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,711
    edited February 2020
    I've mentioned the Casey's General Stores having ethanol-free fuels.
    Here's a page that I had found showing the various fuels offered at
    at least some of their stores.

    They have two, 87 and 91 octane, with no ethanol. You can click
    on the red tabs and below it will tell about that particular fuel they sell.

    "Ethanol Free Gasoline
    We are happy to provide our customers with ethanol free fuel to use in their cars, motorcycles, boats, and other small engines. Our 87 ethanol free and 91 ethanol free options are safe to use in all engine types."

    If I accidentally got the 15% ethanol or worse mixed in, I'd buy the
    ethanol-free fuels to dilute what I put in by accident. I'd probably just
    leave the engine idling to burn off the "bad" stuff if I couldn't do it
    by driving.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Member Posts: 5,625
    edited February 2020
    Casey's is one of the best things about Iowa, and there are quite a few others. I had occasion to travel to Creston (SW quadrant) on 22 separate occasions between 1986 and 2017 (mostly in the six years up to '17), for well over 100 days. It's a relatively small town, but has several Casey's, and on my frequent driving trips between the Twin Cities and Creston, there was at least one in every town I passed through. Anyway, I got to know Iowa quite well, and it's a decent place for people who are capable of entertaining themselves (outside of Des Moines, anyway).
    '08 Acura TSX, '17 Subaru Forester
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,587
    What I remember about IA is Culvers, Casey's, and dirt roads.

    In roughly this location around 130 years ago, there was a hamlet bearing my last name:



    One of those little places that popped up in the 1880s but was bypassed by the railroads, so it fizzled out. Nothing left now but references of its location on the grid, and a clearing. I think it had a post office for maybe a year or two. Amusing going to the neighboring town and seeing a headstone with my name, and many of my family name - no family left in the area, IIRC.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,711
    edited February 2020
    My icon picture was a brick school house now restored in the area where my Dad and Mom lived and farmed early on. I was never clear if that was when he was young or if that's where he grew up with his brothers and sisters.

    But one of the crossroads settlements was named "Shake Rag." Another was "Lick Skillet." I was too young to think to ask how or why those names were given to those.

    Now my icon pict is the Robling Bridge in Covington KY connecting Cincinnati and Covington. Built by the designer in advance of his Brooklyn Bridge. Kyfx and GG recognized it right away, I'm sure.

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  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    Honda has a new electric car called the Honda E. First one I have seen that I MIGHT be interested in, but of course, it won't be sold here.

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  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,094
    It looks TINY! And I like small cars!
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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,343
    I think I’m being punished for posting Scotty videos. First the deer collision on Monday and just now a big tree limb fell on my roof due to the ice and snow storm. Doesn’t look too bad, only thing damaged was the kitchen vent pipe and the pipe jack mount. Vent pipe got sheared off leaving a hole down into the roof. Can’t tell about any other roof or shingle damage due to the snow and ice. The deck took the brunt of the damage.

    In better weather I’d climb up and fix it myself but I ain’t the kid I used to be so I called the insurance company. I hoped they’d send someone over or at least recommend a local roofer but no such luck. Same with the adjuster. No help but I better mitigate the damage or they could deny the claim. Great!

    Finally looked on line and found a place that boasted 24/7 service. Well, nah. They wouldn’t send someone up on an icy roof. They said maybe they’d call tomorrow to set something up. Gee, thanks.

    So I have a plastic bag sealing the hole until I can get some too important people to give a darn.

    This is a first for me as I’ve always done my own fix ups.

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  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    fintail said:

    What I remember about IA is Culvers, Casey's, and dirt roads.

    In roughly this location around 130 years ago, there was a hamlet bearing my last name:



    One of those little places that popped up in the 1880s but was bypassed by the railroads, so it fizzled out. Nothing left now but references of its location on the grid, and a clearing. I think it had a post office for maybe a year or two. Amusing going to the neighboring town and seeing a headstone with my name, and many of my family name - no family left in the area, IIRC.

    Thats strange, I was pretty good with Iowa history but I never heard of a place once called Tail Iowa. :o

    jmonroe

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  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356

    I think I’m being punished for posting Scotty videos. First the deer collision on Monday and just now a big tree limb fell on my roof due to the ice and snow storm. Doesn’t look too bad, only thing damaged was the kitchen vent pipe and the pipe jack mount. Vent pipe got sheared off leaving a hole down into the roof. Can’t tell about any other roof or shingle damage due to the snow and ice. The deck took the brunt of the damage.

    In better weather I’d climb up and fix it myself but I ain’t the kid I used to be so I called the insurance company. I hoped they’d send someone over or at least recommend a local roofer but no such luck. Same with the adjuster. No help but I better mitigate the damage or they could deny the claim. Great!

    Finally looked on line and found a place that boasted 24/7 service. Well, nah. They wouldn’t send someone up on an icy roof. They said maybe they’d call tomorrow to set something up. Gee, thanks.

    So I have a plastic bag sealing the hole until I can get some too important people to give a darn.

    This is a first for me as I’ve always done my own fix ups.

    Fixing your own stuff is competence. Knowing when to call the man is wisdom.

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  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989

    I think I’m being punished for posting Scotty videos. First the deer collision on Monday and just now a big tree limb fell on my roof due to the ice and snow storm. Doesn’t look too bad, only thing damaged was the kitchen vent pipe and the pipe jack mount. Vent pipe got sheared off leaving a hole down into the roof. Can’t tell about any other roof or shingle damage due to the snow and ice. The deck took the brunt of the damage.

    In better weather I’d climb up and fix it myself but I ain’t the kid I used to be so I called the insurance company. I hoped they’d send someone over or at least recommend a local roofer but no such luck. Same with the adjuster. No help but I better mitigate the damage or they could deny the claim. Great!

    Finally looked on line and found a place that boasted 24/7 service. Well, nah. They wouldn’t send someone up on an icy roof. They said maybe they’d call tomorrow to set something up. Gee, thanks.

    So I have a plastic bag sealing the hole until I can get some too important people to give a darn.

    This is a first for me as I’ve always done my own fix ups.

    I'm not surprised no one showed up to help you. Icy roofs are killers.

    Many moons ago Mrs. j was the head honcho at a dentists office. One day she got a call aking if a Mrs. so-and-so was there. She looked up and saw that she was in the waiting room and told the caller that she was. The caller asked to speak with her. The woman said, "I have to go, I'll call to reschedule". About a week later Mrs. j heard that the woman's husband fell off an icy roof and she went to the hospital. The next day the guy died. The guy was trying to help the elderly mother of a friend that couldn't get anyone else to come out because of an icy roof.

    jmonroe

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,652
    I am cheap, and handy enough to do a fair amount of stuff. But I don't like ladders (beyond a 6' step ladder) and I won't go on the roof. Certainly not on my house, with 2 stories, tall ceilings, and a pretty steep pitch (being a colonial style). Watching the pros run around up there when something needs to be done is scary enough!

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 265,238
    jmonroe said:

    I think I’m being punished for posting Scotty videos. First the deer collision on Monday and just now a big tree limb fell on my roof due to the ice and snow storm. Doesn’t look too bad, only thing damaged was the kitchen vent pipe and the pipe jack mount. Vent pipe got sheared off leaving a hole down into the roof. Can’t tell about any other roof or shingle damage due to the snow and ice. The deck took the brunt of the damage.

    In better weather I’d climb up and fix it myself but I ain’t the kid I used to be so I called the insurance company. I hoped they’d send someone over or at least recommend a local roofer but no such luck. Same with the adjuster. No help but I better mitigate the damage or they could deny the claim. Great!

    Finally looked on line and found a place that boasted 24/7 service. Well, nah. They wouldn’t send someone up on an icy roof. They said maybe they’d call tomorrow to set something up. Gee, thanks.

    So I have a plastic bag sealing the hole until I can get some too important people to give a darn.

    This is a first for me as I’ve always done my own fix ups.

    I'm not surprised no one showed up to help you. Icy roofs are killers.

    Many moons ago Mrs. j was the head honcho at a dentists office. One day she got a call aking if a Mrs. so-and-so was there. She looked up and saw that she was in the waiting room and told the caller that she was. The caller asked to speak with her. The woman said, "I have to go, I'll call to reschedule". About a week later Mrs. j heard that the woman's husband fell off an icy roof and she went to the hospital. The next day the guy died. The guy was trying to help the elderly mother of a friend that couldn't get anyone else to come out because of an icy roof.

    jmonroe
    You're wife is a dentist?

    If so, she doesn't need to chase you around the dining room table; she can just wait until you're asleep and remove all your teeth!

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  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592

    I've mentioned the Casey's General Stores having ethanol-free fuels.
    Here's a page that I had found showing the various fuels offered at
    at least some of their stores.

    They have two, 87 and 91 octane, with no ethanol. You can click
    on the red tabs and below it will tell about that particular fuel they sell.

    "Ethanol Free Gasoline
    We are happy to provide our customers with ethanol free fuel to use in their cars, motorcycles, boats, and other small engines. Our 87 ethanol free and 91 ethanol free options are safe to use in all engine types."

    If I accidentally got the 15% ethanol or worse mixed in, I'd buy the
    ethanol-free fuels to dilute what I put in by accident. I'd probably just
    leave the engine idling to burn off the "bad" stuff if I couldn't do it
    by driving.

    The Casey's by us have ethanol in their gas but most dont. Casey's is mostly a rural chain but there are a few close enough to Chicago to fall under the ethanol mandate. I do use Casey's when I'm in farm country, never had an issue with it.

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  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592

    I think I’m being punished for posting Scotty videos. First the deer collision on Monday and just now a big tree limb fell on my roof due to the ice and snow storm. Doesn’t look too bad, only thing damaged was the kitchen vent pipe and the pipe jack mount. Vent pipe got sheared off leaving a hole down into the roof. Can’t tell about any other roof or shingle damage due to the snow and ice. The deck took the brunt of the damage.

    This is the only acceptable Scotty to post videos of.

    https://youtu.be/ssme-8fnTPM

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,783

    I think I’m being punished for posting Scotty videos. First the deer collision on Monday and just now a big tree limb fell on my roof due to the ice and snow storm. Doesn’t look too bad, only thing damaged was the kitchen vent pipe and the pipe jack mount. Vent pipe got sheared off leaving a hole down into the roof. Can’t tell about any other roof or shingle damage due to the snow and ice. The deck took the brunt of the damage.

    In better weather I’d climb up and fix it myself but I ain’t the kid I used to be so I called the insurance company. I hoped they’d send someone over or at least recommend a local roofer but no such luck. Same with the adjuster. No help but I better mitigate the damage or they could deny the claim. Great!

    Finally looked on line and found a place that boasted 24/7 service. Well, nah. They wouldn’t send someone up on an icy roof. They said maybe they’d call tomorrow to set something up. Gee, thanks.

    So I have a plastic bag sealing the hole until I can get some too important people to give a darn.

    This is a first for me as I’ve always done my own fix ups.

    I tried to warn you! Gonna have to earn back your soul.

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