The revived Camaro has always been less true to the original compared to how when I see a current Mustang, or one of the last 10, I think of the three I owned.
Here's a good one to bring out next year to continue the front engine Vette. A lot of Camaro flavor in there too. Some don't like the change to the mid engine Vette.
I only wonder how long this 557 lasts: 10 miles, 20?
Well, if it’s like any of it old relatives, it will run longer badly than it’s competition. I know, I know, that has been said about all makes but it is actually true for GM cars. I’ve had plenty myself in the past. If you don’t believe me ask @imidazol97. He’s driven lots of GM’s that haven’t run on all 8 cylinders.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
The revived Camaro has always been less true to the original compared to how when I see a current Mustang, or one of the last 10, I think of the three I owned.
Here's a good one to bring out next year to continue the front engine Vette. A lot of Camaro flavor in there too. Some don't like the change to the mid engine Vette.
Now that is a sharp car. Even the color helps that car.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
Sometimes maybe not that long. But otherwise the safety equipment and build quality of the car itself has been proven in the worst way. Video here from 2014 predates the big block car posted earlier. Same driver, George Poteet, survived and spent 1 night in the hospital for observation after the car rolled at approximately 370 mph. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK9PuYQ0GoE After the crash there were the usual trolls analyzing every frame of the video and offering "expert" opinions about the car and track conditions. George was quoted at the time saying that "the crash was caused by overaggressive driving and nothing else." And 6 years later he's now the record holder.
A time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing.
It sounds like the Ford dealer that Garry from Dundas uses went to the same profit margin improvement course my dealer's service dept went to. Their constant recommendations for extra and unnecessary services went from laughably funny to annoying to downright infuriating.
Exactly. I remember when quick oil change and lube places first started up....for many years they did basic work. Then slowly they put mileage stickers on which were half the recommended oil change level....fair enough to be extra safe....if you want. But then came wipers, coolant flush, gas filters....anything they could scare you into thinking you needed. This seems to be the same. Lots of professions now have courses in how to bill extra $$$s, vets, dentists, chiropractors to name a few....I am sure dealers can do the same.
FWIW, I agree with you but don’t you think you should come clean and tell us how many courses you took to learn how to sell more books than what stores wanted.
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I always thought if you have to cheat your customers to make a living you don't have a very good business model.
We are still going to a few concerts a year, so not in the past for us. We were supposed to see Taj Majal in October, but I doubt if it’s happening. And I think we are slated to see Tedeschi Trucks next time they swing through here, but who knows when that will be?
Never heard of them before but that was sensational.....actually a much better rendition than the original. Nice touch having a horn section too..........
The revived Camaro has always been less true to the original compared to how when I see a current Mustang, or one of the last 10, I think of the three I owned.
Here's a good one to bring out next year to continue the front engine Vette. A lot of Camaro flavor in there too. Some don't like the change to the mid engine Vette.
Looks like they soldered a 1958 Corvette front end to the rear end of a Camaro. I saw an older Camaro the other day and thought it was a much nicer design than the new one. This would make a better looking 2021 Camaro.
It sounds like the Ford dealer that Garry from Dundas uses went to the same profit margin improvement course my dealer's service dept went to. Their constant recommendations for extra and unnecessary services went from laughably funny to annoying to downright infuriating.
Exactly. I remember when quick oil change and lube places first started up....for many years they did basic work. Then slowly they put mileage stickers on which were half the recommended oil change level....fair enough to be extra safe....if you want. But then came wipers, coolant flush, gas filters....anything they could scare you into thinking you needed. This seems to be the same. Lots of professions now have courses in how to bill extra $$$s, vets, dentists, chiropractors to name a few....I am sure dealers can do the same.
FWIW, I agree with you but don’t you think you should come clean and tell us how many courses you took to learn how to sell more books than what stores wanted.
jmonroe
I always thought if you have to cheat your customers to make a living you don't have a very good business model.
OK, but you didn’t answer my question.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
The revived Camaro has always been less true to the original compared to how when I see a current Mustang, or one of the last 10, I think of the three I owned.
Here's a good one to bring out next year to continue the front engine Vette. A lot of Camaro flavor in there too. Some don't like the change to the mid engine Vette.
Looks like they soldered a 1958 Corvette front end to the rear end of a Camaro. I saw an older Camaro the other day and thought it was a much nicer design than the new one. This would make a better looking 2021 Camaro.
Now that’s a rear end even it’s mother wouldn’t like.
jmonroe
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I only wonder how long this 557 lasts: 10 miles, 20?
Well, if it’s like any of it old relatives, it will run longer badly than it’s competition. I know, I know, that has been said about all makes but it is actually true for GM cars. I’ve had plenty myself in the past. If you don’t believe me ask @imidazol97. He’s driven lots of GM’s that haven’t run on all 8 cylinders.
jmonroe
I was not meant to be a dig against GM, just this many horses from such an engine comes at big price, no matted who makes it. Durability would not be aN expected part of the package.
I recall those front and rear clip marriages to modern cars were almost a boomer cliche around 20 years ago. I've seen the Corvette conversions more than once, and there was something like this in the small town where my mom lives:
I'm waiting for the next Camaro to have no side windows at all.
Corvette has the same issue as Harley - woo new buyers now or end up losing a lot as the customer base of the past 30 years stops buying cars. A change was needed, and I suspect enough new buyers have been lured in to compensate for complaints from the luddites.
The revived Camaro has always been less true to the original compared to how when I see a current Mustang, or one of the last 10, I think of the three I owned.
Here's a good one to bring out next year to continue the front engine Vette. A lot of Camaro flavor in there too. Some don't like the change to the mid engine Vette.
We are still going to a few concerts a year, so not in the past for us. We were supposed to see Taj Majal in October, but I doubt if it’s happening. And I think we are slated to see Tedeschi Trucks next time they swing through here, but who knows when that will be?
Never heard of them before but that was sensational.....actually a much better rendition than the original. Nice touch having a horn section too..........
They're quite good. Lead guitar player is Derek Trucks, the son of original Allman Brothers drummer, the late Butch Trucks. His wife, Susan Tedeschi, is the lead singer. She's quite a blues guitarist in her own right, in addition to being a great lead singer. They are married.
The revived Camaro has always been less true to the original compared to how when I see a current Mustang, or one of the last 10, I think of the three I owned.
Here's a good one to bring out next year to continue the front engine Vette. A lot of Camaro flavor in there too. Some don't like the change to the mid engine Vette.
Sorry but that looks to much like the Camaro and nothing like a Vette, I don't think that look on a Vette will do well.
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I never understood why they made the new Camaro so squished with those little gun slit windows.
On Thursday night Cadillac had an online live event with the designer of the new CT5 sedan answering questions from those of us in cyberspace. I think the CT5 looks good except for the terrible workout of the rear door window/C-pillar area, which should never have been allowed to see the light of day.
I decided to take part and it seemed like they had less than 100 people out there joining me (maybe less than 50, it was hard to tell) so given the lack of questions I decided to ask one about that area on the car. He really didn't answer it well other than saying they were trying to pull down that part of the body to give it a hunkered-down look especially from the rear 3/4 perspective. He added that they dropped the beltline (I'm not sure what he meant by that since this is an all-new design so I don't know what he is comparing it to) for the same reason. That doesn't explain the plastic triangle filler piece nor the huge fixed pane in the rear door but whatever, I didn't really expect him to say that the bean counters wouldn't let them do something better.
In the case of the Camaro I think the same thing holds true in that they wanted to make it look low and hunkered down, but they went too far. The previous-gen Camaro had bad visibility for the same reason and on the refresh they made it worse. I don't know if the engineering of the car wouldn't let them drop the beltline to aid visibility or if it was a financial or aesthetic decision but GM really missed an opportunity with the refreshed design to make the car look different from the preceding one, Instead they made it look so much like the old one it takes a practiced eye to tell them apart.
The revived Camaro has always been less true to the original compared to how when I see a current Mustang, or one of the last 10, I think of the three I owned.
Here's a good one to bring out next year to continue the front engine Vette. A lot of Camaro flavor in there too. Some don't like the change to the mid engine Vette.
Sorry but that looks to much like the Camaro and nothing like a Vette, I don't think that look on a Vette will do well.
You do realize that IS a vette front end photoshopped onto a Camaro, right? Hard to say it looks nothing like a vette when that is exactly was 50% of it is.
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I recall those front and rear clip marriages to modern cars were almost a boomer cliche around 20 years ago. I've seen the Corvette conversions more than once, and there was something like this in the small town where my mom lives:
I'm waiting for the next Camaro to have no side windows at all.
Corvette has the same issue as Harley - woo new buyers now or end up losing a lot as the customer base of the past 30 years stops buying cars. A change was needed, and I suspect enough new buyers have been lured in to compensate for complaints from the luddites.
The revived Camaro has always been less true to the original compared to how when I see a current Mustang, or one of the last 10, I think of the three I owned.
Here's a good one to bring out next year to continue the front engine Vette. A lot of Camaro flavor in there too. Some don't like the change to the mid engine Vette.
What was that before the conversion? Looks like it might have been a Beretta.
As for change, is it correct to call someone who doesn’t like reverting to the past a Luddite?
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The revived Camaro has always been less true to the original compared to how when I see a current Mustang, or one of the last 10, I think of the three I owned.
Here's a good one to bring out next year to continue the front engine Vette. A lot of Camaro flavor in there too. Some don't like the change to the mid engine Vette.
Looks like they soldered a 1958 Corvette front end to the rear end of a Camaro. I saw an older Camaro the other day and thought it was a much nicer design than the new one. This would make a better looking 2021 Camaro.
Now that’s a rear end even it’s mother wouldn’t like.
1968 or 69 Camaro looks better than the new one IMHO. Finding one with stock or more normal wheels is hard.....owners seem to want to add those ugly overdone wheels that only JMonroe could like.
1968 or 69 Camaro looks better than the new one IMHO. Finding one with stock or more normal wheels is hard.....owners seem to want to add those ugly overdone wheels that only JMonroe could like.
Those aren’t quite as hoody but they’ll do.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
It's finally raining here after what seemed like months...
but I didn't even get out of the car wash.
You went to the car wash with Hurricane remnants on your door? You should have just thrown some soap on it and left it in the driveway.
That reminds me of an enterprising local car wash that on rainy days would put out a sign: “Acid Rain Destroys Cars! Wash IT Off NOW!”.
The sun was shining when I went in. I was sitting there texting and when I looked up the wash was ending and it was raining.
It’s been very dry in my area all Summer long and my grass shows it. We have had quite a bit of rain the last two days and my grass is showing signs of perking up. My indy lawn service guy recommends airation and over seeding. That brought it around the last time we had a dry spell so I told him to sign me up. If I was really concerned about my grass I would have washed and waxed both cars a few times but I liked all the sun we’ve had lately.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
It's finally raining here after what seemed like months...
but I didn't even get out of the car wash.
You went to the car wash with Hurricane remnants on your door? You should have just thrown some soap on it and left it in the driveway.
That reminds me of an enterprising local car wash that on rainy days would put out a sign: “Acid Rain Destroys Cars! Wash IT Off NOW!”.
The sun was shining when I went in. I was sitting there texting and when I looked up the wash was ending and it was raining.
It’s been very dry in my area all Summer long and my grass shows it. We have had quite a bit of rain the last two days and my grass is showing signs of perking up. My indy lawn service guy recommends airation and over seeding. That brought it around the last time we had a dry spell so I told him to sign me up. If I was really concerned about my grass I would have washed and waxed both cars a few times but I liked all the sun we’ve had lately.
jmonroe
You could just wash your car out on the lawn. Grass goes dormant during hot dry weather and a good watering will perk it up. A lot of lawn companies overseed with annual grass which comes up quick, makes a nice green carpet but dies over winter. The customer thinks the lawn guy is a miracle worker and since the perennial grass greens up in the fall anyway no one is the wiser. Try reseeding with fine fescue as it’s drought resistant and comes back year after year.
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1968 or 69 Camaro looks better than the new one IMHO. Finding one with stock or more normal wheels is hard.....owners seem to want to add those ugly overdone wheels that only JMonroe could like.
It's finally raining here after what seemed like months...
but I didn't even get out of the car wash.
You went to the car wash with Hurricane remnants on your door? You should have just thrown some soap on it and left it in the driveway.
That reminds me of an enterprising local car wash that on rainy days would put out a sign: “Acid Rain Destroys Cars! Wash IT Off NOW!”.
The sun was shining when I went in. I was sitting there texting and when I looked up the wash was ending and it was raining.
It’s been very dry in my area all Summer long and my grass shows it. We have had quite a bit of rain the last two days and my grass is showing signs of perking up. My indy lawn service guy recommends airation and over seeding. That brought it around the last time we had a dry spell so I told him to sign me up. If I was really concerned about my grass I would have washed and waxed both cars a few times but I liked all the sun we’ve had lately.
jmonroe
You could just wash your car out on the lawn. Grass goes dormant during hot dry weather and a good watering will perk it up. A lot of lawn companies overseed with annual grass which comes up quick, makes a nice green carpet but dies over winter. The customer thinks the lawn guy is a miracle worker and since the perennial grass greens up in the fall anyway no one is the wiser. Try reseeding with fine fescue as it’s drought resistant and comes back year after year.
I’ve used this lawn care guy for about 6 or 7 years and he’s a pretty straight shooter. Like I said he did this a few years ago when we had a dry spell. Not positive but I think that was in 2015. The yard perked up nicely after that service. He uses a mix of quick green stuff and even blue grass seed. Mrs. j commented that I killed a nice yard because I didn’t water it and she’s probably right but my guy will save me like he did before. But it’s going to cost me around 120 bucks to do it. Since I dispise yard work, that cost is fine with me. With being house bound and not going out to eat like we used to do in normal times, I’ve save a lot more than 120 bucks these past few months. The way I look at it that’s just a couple eating out meals.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
I had one of those nothing comes easy days. As many of you know the TL has been bragging the Check Engine Light. It was suggested that I replace the gas cap which I did with an OEM. After several weeks of limited driving and a couple of top ups of gas, no change. I filled the tank on Wednesday and drove it yesterday and the light went off. I had an appointment today to have it diagnosed and an oil change. As the TL went thru several cycles after the light extinguished the dealer said no code would be stored. So I had the oil changed and the car had a clean report needing no additional services. About 10 minutes on my drive home the CEL illuminates. I circle back to the dealer, they capture a code. A evap solenoid failure, part needs to be ordered. Not a big deal, but grrr.
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see a current Mustang, or one of the last 10, I think of the three I owned.
Here's a good one to bring out next year to continue the front engine Vette.
A lot of Camaro flavor in there too. Some don't like the change to the
mid engine Vette.
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jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
After the crash there were the usual trolls analyzing every frame of the video and offering "expert" opinions about the car and track conditions. George was quoted at the time saying that "the crash was caused by overaggressive driving and nothing else." And 6 years later he's now the record holder.
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2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
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jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
That reminds me of an enterprising local car wash that on rainy days would put out a sign: “Acid Rain Destroys Cars! Wash IT Off NOW!”.
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jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
2018 430i Gran Coupe
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
I'm waiting for the next Camaro to have no side windows at all.
Corvette has the same issue as Harley - woo new buyers now or end up losing a lot as the customer base of the past 30 years stops buying cars. A change was needed, and I suspect enough new buyers have been lured in to compensate for complaints from the luddites.
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2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
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I decided to take part and it seemed like they had less than 100 people out there joining me (maybe less than 50, it was hard to tell) so given the lack of questions I decided to ask one about that area on the car. He really didn't answer it well other than saying they were trying to pull down that part of the body to give it a hunkered-down look especially from the rear 3/4 perspective. He added that they dropped the beltline (I'm not sure what he meant by that since this is an all-new design so I don't know what he is comparing it to) for the same reason. That doesn't explain the plastic triangle filler piece nor the huge fixed pane in the rear door but whatever, I didn't really expect him to say that the bean counters wouldn't let them do something better.
In the case of the Camaro I think the same thing holds true in that they wanted to make it look low and hunkered down, but they went too far. The previous-gen Camaro had bad visibility for the same reason and on the refresh they made it worse. I don't know if the engineering of the car wouldn't let them drop the beltline to aid visibility or if it was a financial or aesthetic decision but GM really missed an opportunity with the refreshed design to make the car look different from the preceding one, Instead they made it look so much like the old one it takes a practiced eye to tell them apart.
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As for change, is it correct to call someone who doesn’t like reverting to the past a Luddite?
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Definition #2 for "Luddite" seems to work
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2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
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2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
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'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
Those look like Chrysler wheels on the silver one
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