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28firefighter

The mailbox.

stickguy

Those pictures are why I want to spend the winter in S. Carolina in the future.

jmonroe1

qbrozen said:

cdnpinhead said:

Here's what I had to deal with a couple of weeks ago.

And where did you go after you excavated?

I don’t know where he went but I would have gone back inside to sit around the fireplace with some good sipping bourbon.

jmonroe

cdnpinhead

qbrozen said:

And where did you go after you excavated?

Had to go to Heber & Payson for errands & groceries. Plenty of notice that this was coming, so prepared appropriately. Once I got back I didn't need to get out again for another week or so.

driver100

cdnpinhead said:

Here's what I had to deal with a couple of weeks ago.

Wow! I am impressed....you win. And probably no "Guy" to dig it out.

qbrozen

cdnpinhead said:

qbrozen said:

And where did you go after you excavated?

Had to go to Heber & Payson for errands & groceries. Plenty of notice that this was coming, so prepared appropriately. Once I got back I didn't need to get out again for another week or so.

And you are in AZ??

Michaell

qbrozen said:

cdnpinhead said:

qbrozen said:

And where did you go after you excavated?

Had to go to Heber & Payson for errands & groceries. Plenty of notice that this was coming, so prepared appropriately. Once I got back I didn't need to get out again for another week or so.

And you are in AZ??

Funny that people only associate the desert with AZ. Flagstaff is at 7000’ elevation, with a couple of ski resorts close by. @cdnpinhead is not quite that high, but certainly high enough.

ab348

Here in Halifax we have received no snow at all in the last 24 hours, and yesterday was a nice sunny day and surprisingly mild. But the weather folk issued warnings up the yazoo for all sorts of dire results and the emergency mgmt group in govt issued their usual alerts, like having 72 hours worth of food and water both at home and in your vehicle. Naturally the local news media amplified all of that noise and got everyone freaked out, and schools were cancelled for today sometime last night.

So nothing here happened until a couple of hours ago around noon, and when it did it was some drizzle and a very few ice pellets. Now the temps are above freezing and it is just a coldish damp day. The weather types are now calling for a big pile of snow on Friday. But they have so little credibility at this point I am wondering whether to even pay attention.

omarman

2 storms expected to drop anywhere from 10 to 30 inches of snow in some northern Arizona areas.

The caption pointed out that 2 years ago, "More than 2 feet of snow fell in February 2019, causing the City of Prescott to declare an emergency." It didn't say if that was a new record then. Or if the current month will set a new record now, but no mention of global warming either!

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

My snow blower is about 3 years old....it’s an EGO battery model. I can’t use it because of my surgeries (at least not yet). But, my son came by last evening and got the whole driveway and sidewalks done (including the neighbors on either side). The batteries finally gave out after the 3rd house was almost finished. Pretty impressive.

Just checked this a.m. and the batteries charged up fully overnight. So, he said he’d be back after work to do it all again.

Pretty good snowblower.

Pretty good son.

jmonroe1

Michaell said:

qbrozen said:

cdnpinhead said:

qbrozen said:

And where did you go after you excavated?

Had to go to Heber & Payson for errands & groceries. Plenty of notice that this was coming, so prepared appropriately. Once I got back I didn't need to get out again for another week or so.

And you are in AZ??

Funny that people only associate the desert with AZ. Flagstaff is at 7000’ elevation, with a couple of ski resorts close by. @cdnpinhead is not quite that high, but certainly high enough.

Yep, it’s not like your uncle’s AZ.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

My son (who lives near old farmer) said they got a bunch of ice last night. Our forecast near philly is another 5-8 inches of snow and ice Thursday into Friday. Thankfully supposed to warm up next week.

Yeah, took me a half hour to thaw the Kia this morning. Went for coffee with an old bus drive buddy. On the way I passed a Mercedes E class spun out in a ditch. I guess ice doesn’t care how rich you are.

It’s above freezing and raining now.

jmonroe1

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:

My son (who lives near old farmer) said they got a bunch of ice last night. Our forecast near philly is another 5-8 inches of snow and ice Thursday into Friday. Thankfully supposed to warm up next week.

Yeah, took me a half hour to thaw the Kia this morning. Went for coffee with an old bus drive buddy. On the way I passed a Mercedes E class spun out in a ditch. I guess ice doesn’t care how rich you are.

It’s above freezing and raining now.

Was he old enough that he forgot he was a cheap old bus driver buddy and he paid for your coffee?

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

How about the brownouts because the Texas windmills froze.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/02/14/historic-winter-storm-freezes-texas-wind-turbines-hampering-electric-generation/4483230001/

roadburner

graphicguy said:

roadburner said:

My ice covered driveway now has a coating of several inches of snow. My Wrangler is fitted with BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO1 tires- they are what Tire Rack refers to as All-Weather tires- non-winter tires that are marked with the three-peak mountain snowflake (3PMSF) symbol.. So far I haven't used 4WD yet unless I'm trying to get stuck.
The Clubman also wears All-Weather rubber-the Vredestein Quatrac 5-and it also handles the ice and snow with no problem; ground clearance is the primary limitation.
The Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+ tires on the M235i also work surprisingly well, you just need to be patient and smooth with control inputs.

Have to give a nod to my Stinger. Out all day yesterday, and again this a.m. Probably 6-7” on the roads this a.m. No issues! I’ve got all-season rubber on mine, too.

I’d consider an AWD Stinger like the GTS- with a rear limited slip diff and summer tires. Now all the AWD Stingers have mid-pack all season rubber, no LSD, and a top speed limiter under 150 mph.
Not interested.

roadburner

stickguy said:

RB, how do you like the Vredestein tires? I was considering those for the Jetta when the Bridgestone OEMs are shot.

I really like them. They are a Grand Touring tire and they suit a car like my Clubman perfectly.

Michaell

oldfarmer50 said:

How about the brownouts because the Texas windmills froze.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/02/14/historic-winter-storm-freezes-texas-wind-turbines-hampering-electric-generation/4483230001/

I have a team member who lives in San Antonio. She's reporting regular brown-outs - I think she said something like 15 minutes every hour the house goes dark.

And, she's got two busted water pipes, so no running water for the last couple of days.

jmonroe1

oldfarmer50 said:

How about the brownouts because the Texas windmills froze.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/02/14/historic-winter-storm-freezes-texas-wind-turbines-hampering-electric-generation/4483230001/

That’s what happens when they don’t spin fast enough to fling off the ice. You’d never catch @roadburner buying power from one of those slow pokes. :@

jmonroe

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:

My son (who lives near old farmer) said they got a bunch of ice last night. Our forecast near philly is another 5-8 inches of snow and ice Thursday into Friday. Thankfully supposed to warm up next week.

Yeah, took me a half hour to thaw the Kia this morning. Went for coffee with an old bus drive buddy. On the way I passed a Mercedes E class spun out in a ditch. I guess ice doesn’t care how rich you are.

It’s above freezing and raining now.

Hey, I demand equal time, I bet some GMs and Fords also ended up in the ditch too!
How about a Fusion.....

Michaell

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:

My son (who lives near old farmer) said they got a bunch of ice last night. Our forecast near philly is another 5-8 inches of snow and ice Thursday into Friday. Thankfully supposed to warm up next week.

Yeah, took me a half hour to thaw the Kia this morning. Went for coffee with an old bus drive buddy. On the way I passed a Mercedes E class spun out in a ditch. I guess ice doesn’t care how rich you are.

It’s above freezing and raining now.

Hey, I demand equal time, I bet some GMs and Fords also ended up in the ditch too!
How about a Fusion.....

Looks like someone is gonna miss their Geek Squad appointment.

cdnpinhead

qbrozen said:

And you are in AZ??

Yes, the part that most people don't know about.

cdnpinhead

driver100 said:

Wow! I am impressed....you win. And probably no "Guy" to dig it out.

That's why I posted the second picture. It took a couple of days to dig out. As others on here have said, for those of us past 70, it's necessary to pace oneself.

cdnpinhead

Michaell said:

Funny that people only associate the desert with AZ. Flagstaff is at 7000’ elevation, with a couple of ski resorts close by. @cdnpinhead is not quite that high, but certainly high enough.

Actually, we're at ~7500 ft elevation.

Michaell

cdnpinhead said:

Michaell said:

Funny that people only associate the desert with AZ. Flagstaff is at 7000’ elevation, with a couple of ski resorts close by. @cdnpinhead is not quite that high, but certainly high enough.

Actually, we're at ~7500 ft elevation.

Oh! Hadn't realized that.

andres3

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/research/safety/17098/003.cfm

You don't have to read the above link, just read these 6 quotes I took from the publication:

1. “ … the relationship between crash frequency and speed is less clear.”
   
2. “However, the relationship between speed and crash frequency is unknown.”
   
3. “while setting the posted speed limit 10 mph (16.1 km/h) lower than the recommended engineering value resulted in an increase in fatal plus injury crashes…”
   
4. “A consistent, quantifiable relationship between operating speed and crash frequency has not been reported in the literature. “
   
5. “However, the relationship between crash frequency and speed is not as clear.”
   
6. “…however, the relationship between operating speed and crash frequency has yet to be well established.”
   

Common weasel words that discredit agencies trying to prove or at least regurgitate and repeat falsehoods are:

1. Indirect relationship
2. Complex relationship
3. Unclear relationship
4. Unknown relationship.

What they really mean to say if they are honest with themselves is the data doesn't support them at all. There is no relationship between speed and crash frequency, or it would be direct and clear, such as the "direct" relationship between crash severity and the speed at which one crashes (but not the speed one drives because speed driven does not equal speed crashed at).

I've asked Engineers to defend and define an "indirect" relationship and I've yet to get an answer. Most of what I've been able to gather is you have to get into a long-winded laborious highly convoluted presumption and assumption chain of events to get from A to Z.

imidazol97

I used to subscribe to Arizona Highways magazine for the beautiful scenery and great photography.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:

My son (who lives near old farmer) said they got a bunch of ice last night. Our forecast near philly is another 5-8 inches of snow and ice Thursday into Friday. Thankfully supposed to warm up next week.

Yeah, took me a half hour to thaw the Kia this morning. Went for coffee with an old bus drive buddy. On the way I passed a Mercedes E class spun out in a ditch. I guess ice doesn’t care how rich you are.

It’s above freezing and raining now.

Hey, I demand equal time, I bet some GMs and Fords also ended up in the ditch too!
How about a Fusion.....

With a little more HP that under powered grocery getter would have completed the flip and landed on its feet.

jmonroe

Michaell

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:

My son (who lives near old farmer) said they got a bunch of ice last night. Our forecast near philly is another 5-8 inches of snow and ice Thursday into Friday. Thankfully supposed to warm up next week.

Yeah, took me a half hour to thaw the Kia this morning. Went for coffee with an old bus drive buddy. On the way I passed a Mercedes E class spun out in a ditch. I guess ice doesn’t care how rich you are.

It’s above freezing and raining now.

Hey, I demand equal time, I bet some GMs and Fords also ended up in the ditch too!
How about a Fusion.....

With a little more HP that under powered grocery getter would have completed the flip and landed on its feet.

jmonroe

I think they stuck the landing:

9.9 from the US judge
9.8 from Hungary
9.9 from Vietnam
9.6 from Peru
9.7 from New Zealand
9.8 from Algeria

driver100

lol.......Judged for a) procedure, b) positioning, c) balance d ) uniqueness e) creativity.

jmonroe1

Michaell said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:

My son (who lives near old farmer) said they got a bunch of ice last night. Our forecast near philly is another 5-8 inches of snow and ice Thursday into Friday. Thankfully supposed to warm up next week.

Yeah, took me a half hour to thaw the Kia this morning. Went for coffee with an old bus drive buddy. On the way I passed a Mercedes E class spun out in a ditch. I guess ice doesn’t care how rich you are.

It’s above freezing and raining now.

Hey, I demand equal time, I bet some GMs and Fords also ended up in the ditch too!
How about a Fusion.....

With a little more HP that under powered grocery getter would have completed the flip and landed on its feet.

jmonroe

I think they stuck the landing:

9.9 from the US judge
9.8 from Hungary
9.9 from Vietnam
9.6 from Peru
9.7 from New Zealand
9.8 from Algeria

OK, very good but not perfect.

jmonroe

qbrozen

A friend put his Telluride in a ditch in upstate NY. Says a deer ran out and he did that rather than hit it. Cost him a tire, which has yet to arrive, so he is in a rental for the time being.

jmonroe1

qbrozen said:

A friend put his Telluride in a ditch in upstate NY. Says a deer ran out and he did that rather than hit it. Cost him a tire, which has yet to arrive, so he is in a rental for the time being.

If it only cost him a tire, he came out ahead.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:

My son (who lives near old farmer) said they got a bunch of ice last night. Our forecast near philly is another 5-8 inches of snow and ice Thursday into Friday. Thankfully supposed to warm up next week.

Yeah, took me a half hour to thaw the Kia this morning. Went for coffee with an old bus drive buddy. On the way I passed a Mercedes E class spun out in a ditch. I guess ice doesn’t care how rich you are.

It’s above freezing and raining now.

Hey, I demand equal time, I bet some GMs and Fords also ended up in the ditch too!
How about a Fusion.....

That Fusion is just showing off for his friends.

snakeweasel

Here is the storm in Chicago from last night.

https://youtu.be/im4fPLj7Fck

snakeweasel

My backyard today.

dino001

andres3 said:

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/research/safety/17098/003.cfm

You don't have to read the above link, just read these 6 quotes I took from the publication:

1. “ … the relationship between crash frequency and speed is less clear.”
   
2. “However, the relationship between speed and crash frequency is unknown.”
   
3. “while setting the posted speed limit 10 mph (16.1 km/h) lower than the recommended engineering value resulted in an increase in fatal plus injury crashes…”
   
4. “A consistent, quantifiable relationship between operating speed and crash frequency has not been reported in the literature. “
   
5. “However, the relationship between crash frequency and speed is not as clear.”
   
6. “…however, the relationship between operating speed and crash frequency has yet to be well established.”
   

Common weasel words that discredit agencies trying to prove or at least regurgitate and repeat falsehoods are:

1. Indirect relationship
2. Complex relationship
3. Unclear relationship
4. Unknown relationship.

What they really mean to say if they are honest with themselves is the data doesn't support them at all. There is no relationship between speed and crash frequency, or it would be direct and clear, such as the "direct" relationship between crash severity and the speed at which one crashes (but not the speed one drives because speed driven does not equal speed crashed at).

I've asked Engineers to defend and define an "indirect" relationship and I've yet to get an answer. Most of what I've been able to gather is you have to get into a long-winded laborious highly convoluted presumption and assumption chain of events to get from A to Z.

I read it. You conveniently “missed” whole part about relationship between speed and fatalities.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

My backyard today.

Wow, they took your house away and made you live outside!

abacomike

Just got an email from our HOA telling us we are under a boil water alert.

We had severe storms here tonight and lightning hit our Water Treatment Plant causing a loss of power and the plant’s inability to produce safe potable water. We had over 6 inches of rain in a 2 hour period causing flooding.

I think this is the first time since I’ve lived down here that we have to boil our drinking water. The alert is for 48 hours.

jmonroe1

abacomike said:

Just got an email from our HOA telling us we are under a boil water alert.

We had severe storms here tonight and lightning hit our Water Treatment Plant causing a loss of power and the plant’s inability to produce safe potable water. We had over 6 inches of rain in a 2 hour period causing flooding.

I think this is the first time since I’ve lived down here that we have to boil our drinking water. The alert is for 48 hours.

C’mon @Mike I’m sure you have something tastier than water to drink. The stuff I’m thinking about even goes well with toothpaste.

jmonroe

andres3

dino001 said:

andres3 said:

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/research/safety/17098/003.cfm

You don't have to read the above link, just read these 6 quotes I took from the publication:

1. “ … the relationship between crash frequency and speed is less clear.”
   
2. “However, the relationship between speed and crash frequency is unknown.”
   
3. “while setting the posted speed limit 10 mph (16.1 km/h) lower than the recommended engineering value resulted in an increase in fatal plus injury crashes…”
   
4. “A consistent, quantifiable relationship between operating speed and crash frequency has not been reported in the literature. “
   
5. “However, the relationship between crash frequency and speed is not as clear.”
   
6. “…however, the relationship between operating speed and crash frequency has yet to be well established.”
   

Common weasel words that discredit agencies trying to prove or at least regurgitate and repeat falsehoods are:

1. Indirect relationship
2. Complex relationship
3. Unclear relationship
4. Unknown relationship.

What they really mean to say if they are honest with themselves is the data doesn't support them at all. There is no relationship between speed and crash frequency, or it would be direct and clear, such as the "direct" relationship between crash severity and the speed at which one crashes (but not the speed one drives because speed driven does not equal speed crashed at).

I've asked Engineers to defend and define an "indirect" relationship and I've yet to get an answer. Most of what I've been able to gather is you have to get into a long-winded laborious highly convoluted presumption and assumption chain of events to get from A to Z.

I read it. You conveniently “missed” whole part about relationship between speed and fatalities.

I mentioned crash severity and speed at moment of impact to be directly related/correlated/linked. The most severe type of crash is a fatality, so I don't think I missed it.

Still, you have to wonder how an agency can flip over, bend backwards, and twist and contort to try and make it seem like there's a relationship between speed and crash frequency that they basically say the opposite at LEAST six times.

Another favorite line of mine (not in this study but I've seen it in others is) "more research is needed in this area." You mean there's not enough data from the human history of driving statistics already?

The worst studies are ones that use "estimates and expectations" to assert a claim. There's an IIHS Study that claims it was over a 20 year period, to give the impression it's a comprehensive study. Yet most all the figures they use are "expectations" and "estimates." Go figure.

andres3

If you like graphs, I got a good one for you.

https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/motor-vehicle-safety-issues/speeding/

Check out the graph showing how many drunks give speeders a bad name in the fatalities spread out over drunk vs. not drunk and age. Seems age does bring wisdom.

I also noticed the high percentage of so called "speeders/speed related" on bad condition roads. Failure to heed bad conditions is a driver error in judgment. Sometimes called a "recognition" error in collision causation studies.

I commend the NSC for being pretty straight forward with mostly "just the facts." Sure, they are regurgitating NHTSA, but at least they don't embellish.

andres3

An FRS got a bit too frisky out on the canyon highways near Palomar:

qbrozen

andres3 said:

An FRS got a bit too frisky out on the canyon highways near Palomar:

I blame the sticker

graphicguy

oldfarmer50 said:

How about the brownouts because the Texas windmills froze.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/02/14/historic-winter-storm-freezes-texas-wind-turbines-hampering-electric-generation/4483230001/

Just read an article this a.m. 7% of TX power comes from wind farms. Moreover, the ones they do have, the state cheaped out on and didn’t buy the more expensive ones with heated casings.

TX has no one to blame but TX. They produce more power than any other state, yet they can’t power themselves.

oldfarmer50

andres3 said:

An FRS got a bit too frisky out on the canyon highways near Palomar:

That’s a lot of airbags. What do they cost to replace, a thousand a pop?

snakeweasel

andres3 said:

dino001 said:

andres3 said:

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/research/safety/17098/003.cfm

You don't have to read the above link, just read these 6 quotes I took from the publication:

1. “ … the relationship between crash frequency and speed is less clear.”
   
2. “However, the relationship between speed and crash frequency is unknown.”
   
3. “while setting the posted speed limit 10 mph (16.1 km/h) lower than the recommended engineering value resulted in an increase in fatal plus injury crashes…”
   
4. “A consistent, quantifiable relationship between operating speed and crash frequency has not been reported in the literature. “
   
5. “However, the relationship between crash frequency and speed is not as clear.”
   
6. “…however, the relationship between operating speed and crash frequency has yet to be well established.”
   

Common weasel words that discredit agencies trying to prove or at least regurgitate and repeat falsehoods are:

1. Indirect relationship
2. Complex relationship
3. Unclear relationship
4. Unknown relationship.

What they really mean to say if they are honest with themselves is the data doesn't support them at all. There is no relationship between speed and crash frequency, or it would be direct and clear, such as the "direct" relationship between crash severity and the speed at which one crashes (but not the speed one drives because speed driven does not equal speed crashed at).

I've asked Engineers to defend and define an "indirect" relationship and I've yet to get an answer. Most of what I've been able to gather is you have to get into a long-winded laborious highly convoluted presumption and assumption chain of events to get from A to Z.

I read it. You conveniently “missed” whole part about relationship between speed and fatalities.

I mentioned crash severity and speed at moment of impact to be directly related/correlated/linked. The most severe type of crash is a fatality, so I don't think I missed it.

I think you have miss it. It does say that severity of accidents increase with speed. Logic would state that the more severe the accident the more severe the injuries and the most severe injury is death.

andres3 said:

Still, you have to wonder how an agency can flip over, bend backwards, and twist and contort to try and make it seem like there's a relationship between speed and crash frequency that they basically say the opposite at LEAST six times.

I don't see where they say the opposite.

andres3 said:

Another favorite line of mine (not in this study but I've seen it in others is) "more research is needed in this area." You mean there's not enough data from the human history of driving statistics already?

The worst studies are ones that use "estimates and expectations" to assert a claim. There's an IIHS Study that claims it was over a 20 year period, to give the impression it's a comprehensive study. Yet most all the figures they use are "expectations" and "estimates." Go figure.

Remember the report is not about speed and fatalities it's about designing roads that encourage driving at a safer speed.

snakeweasel

graphicguy said:

oldfarmer50 said:

How about the brownouts because the Texas windmills froze.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/02/14/historic-winter-storm-freezes-texas-wind-turbines-hampering-electric-generation/4483230001/

Just read an article this a.m. 7% of TX power comes from wind farms. Moreover, the ones they do have, the state cheaped out on and didn’t buy the more expensive ones with heated casings.

TX has no one to blame but TX. They produce more power than any other state, yet they can’t power themselves.

Texas is just trying to make all those Californians that move there feel like they are back home.

roadburner

andres3 said:

An FRS got a bit too frisky out on the canyon highways near Palomar:

That’s the problem with passive restraints in a situation like this- it’s unwarranted interference with the law of natural selection.

carnaught

graphicguy said:

oldfarmer50 said:

How about the brownouts because the Texas windmills froze.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/02/14/historic-winter-storm-freezes-texas-wind-turbines-hampering-electric-generation/4483230001/

Just read an article this a.m. 7% of TX power comes from wind farms. Moreover, the ones they do have, the state cheaped out on and didn’t buy the more expensive ones with heated casings.

TX has no one to blame but TX. They produce more power than any other state, yet they can’t power themselves.

Question: so what powers the heat to the casings? Does anyone know?

snakeweasel

carnaught said:

graphicguy said:

oldfarmer50 said:

How about the brownouts because the Texas windmills froze.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/02/14/historic-winter-storm-freezes-texas-wind-turbines-hampering-electric-generation/4483230001/

Just read an article this a.m. 7% of TX power comes from wind farms. Moreover, the ones they do have, the state cheaped out on and didn’t buy the more expensive ones with heated casings.

TX has no one to blame but TX. They produce more power than any other state, yet they can’t power themselves.

Question: so what powers the heat to the casings? Does anyone know?

My guess is that since they are connect to the grid and electricity can flow both ways I would say that power to heat the casings comes from the grid.