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henryn

oldfarmer50 said:

imidazol97 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

OK, it looks like summer craziness has arrived. In a city near me a 53 year old guy with a couple of young teen boys was involved in an axe battle and then fled police. Shortly thereafter he crashed into a FedEx truck injuring himself and the two kids. He was driving a Buick of all things.

Are you in Texas?

No, which makes that story even more bizarre. For a moment I thought that maybe henryn was paying us a visit.

I haven't been involved in any "axe battles", at least not recently!

Funny thing though, when I was at the big public park Sunday afternoon with the Meetup group, the pavilion next to ours was occupied by a bunch of guys with shields and clubs doing mock warfare. One of those medieval battle reenactments or something like that. Nothing like going out in the 100 degree heat to beat on each other with sticks.

tjc78

@driver100 said:
It looks worse in this picture. And what is a 53 year old doing driving a Buick....I thought you had to be 60+.
It goes to show you, it isn't the best getaway car too. And he tries to get away from the police with kids in the car;

Lucky to have survived that!

I’m 42 and have had three Buick’s…..

henryn

tjc78 said:

@driver100 said:

It looks worse in this picture. And what is a 53 year old doing driving a Buick....I thought you had to be 60+.

It goes to show you, it isn't the best getaway car too. And he tries to get away from the police with kids in the car;

Lucky to have survived that!

I’m 42 and have had three Buick’s…..

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I haven't owned a Buick personally, but one long term girl friend did, and I did so much work on that car I might as well have owned it. On the plus side, we took a lot of trips in that car, so I did get something out of it.

tjc78

I probably bust all the averages. I’ve had two Avalon’s too!

oldfarmer50

cdnpinhead said:

andres3 said:

A) Driver Error - Unsafe turn/lane change, fail to stop
B ) Running from the Police/Evading/Eluding
C) Reckless Driving
D) Speeding (ROFL)

You overlooked E) White privilege

No mention was made of ethnicity of any of the parties.

oldfarmer50

henryn said:

oldfarmer50 said:

imidazol97 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

OK, it looks like summer craziness has arrived. In a city near me a 53 year old guy with a couple of young teen boys was involved in an axe battle and then fled police. Shortly thereafter he crashed into a FedEx truck injuring himself and the two kids. He was driving a Buick of all things.

Are you in Texas?

No, which makes that story even more bizarre. For a moment I thought that maybe henryn was paying us a visit.

I haven't been involved in any "axe battles", at least not recently!

Funny thing though, when I was at the big public park Sunday afternoon with the Meetup group, the pavilion next to ours was occupied by a bunch of guys with shields and clubs doing mock warfare. One of those medieval battle reenactments or something like that. Nothing like going out in the 100 degree heat to beat on each other with sticks.

In my mind I imagined a scenario involving a desirable car, a road trip and spirited negotiations gone wrong.

snakeweasel

henryn said:

Microsoft has done it again. Stirring up controversy, making people unhappy. They officially announced Windows 11 this morning, even though it won't be available to retail customers until the spring of 2022. And they have a new tool which supposedly tells you if your computer is capable of running the new Windows. Except apparently nearly all of the people who have tried the tool say their computer fails the test. So people are calling me and emailing me, asking me if they need a new computer. Oh, boy.

Well I tested my computer, looks like I'll still be stuck with Windows 3.1.

snakeweasel

andres3 said:

jmonroe1 said:

snakeweasel said:

henryn said:

snakeweasel said:

henryn said:

abacomike said:

@snakeweasel said:

Please define a "price a sane person might actually pay".

Your asking a request to define a price a “sane” person would pay - you are asking the wrong question on this site - no one is sane enough to figure that one out - not here! 🤪😜🤓. We’re all car nuts so we would consider anything if the car fits the need!

Mike is undoubtedly correct (he usually is), but I will still provide my opinion of "price a sane person might actually pay". My answer: In no case more than MSRP. No dealer add-ons, no mop-n-glow, no add on surcharges. MSRP, plus sales tax, plus a reasonable doc fee.

Around here, such a deal cannot be found on a Mustang GT, or a new Ford or Chevy pickup. There are very few available, and every single one is going above MSRP. YMMV.

OK, I checked the first Stang on the list that came up. A GT coup Premium with the 5.0 liter TI-VCT V8 with a 10 speed Auto in Race Red and a sticker price of $47,600, it's listed on the web for sticker. What they may spring when you walk in the door is anyones guess. but it does look like they are all going for sticker.

In my experience, which is pretty wide and goes back a long way, dealers NEVER talk about the mop-n-glo or nitrogen filled tires or any other such nonsense in their online ads. There is always fine print which says the advertised price does not include dealer add ons. Check it for yourself.

You do love to correct people, but this time it is you who's got it wrong.

I did state that what they spring on you is anyones guess and I cannot vouch for many of the dealerships but one I do know and I know they are not known for dealer add ons.

Speaking of which I wanted to burn a little bit of time and I was close to a dealership that I have done business with and trusted so I went to look at SUV's/CUV's as my wife wants to replace the Sonata with one after we pay off the BMW. However this dealership was sold a few years ago and is operating under a different name. The new ownership doesn't get good reviews. Anyway you should see the dealer add ons they had on all the cars. One year of key replacement insurance, one year of dent and ding repair, one year of windshield nick repair, floor mats and an app based anti theft thing. All in all it totaled around $2,500. The first three I see no real value in them, the mats I could better for less than half and the last I could get it for a lot less than what they were asking.

If you were @andres3 that key thingy wouldn’t be such a bad deal.

jmonroe

I'm sure if you lost the receipt the dealership would "forget" you ever bought replacement key insurance/coverage.

It should be on the sales paperwork.

imidazol97

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

imidazol97 said:

From watching the training shows on TV that my wife likes to watch, it might be possible to train the dog to be calm but would take an expert to change the learned behavior. The bad reactions are behavior that sometimes are reinforced when they happen again.

In my humble opinion, it's time to put the little guy out of his stressful situation.

I didn't want to mention it, but my DIL is a seasoned veterinarian now in her pet clinic. She has had some sad stories about pets and what people go through deciding to have them put to sleep. I put myself in the position of feeling like the poor dog must feel -- if I were a confused elderly person who knows they're confused and not coherent but not able to change that realization, and I add onto that the burden of being blind or seeing little to help orient myself to my surroundings.

Are you saying if you feel that way we should see to it that you are put down?

snakeweasel

To everyone, thanks for your thoughtful comments about my puppy situation. I did talk to the local humane society and the vet and it looks like he will be leaving us soon as there is not much we can do other than let it go on which is something I am not happy with either. At least he had many years here where he was safe, warm and dry.

stickguy

I had a 1975 Opel. Sold by Buick dealer. Is that close enough? I highly doubt I will ever have an actual Buick badged Buick!

fintail

Similar situation was probably avoided in Seattle:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McGuire_Apartments

PNW west side housing stock is laughably overpriced relative to the quality received by the average buyer - the kind of stuff one would expect in the south, but at thrice the price.

dino001 said:

c

sda said:

That condo collapse is truly sad and upsetting. Somehow a video captured it collapsing. It looked like it started in the middle of the building, the roof sagged then fell straight down taking all the lower floors with it which then caused the far south side to collapse. Makes you wonder how many other buildings are structurally compromised.

Probably quite a few. Florida has been improving its standards and codes for decades (starting with Andrew, then every bigger hurricane brings more updates), but the enforcement is often clearly lacking. Between rotting Chinese drywall a few years ago entire new developments being built against zoning and periodic construction frenzy (especially in Miami Dade, but other places, too) and general low quality of labor, it's no wonder something like that happens. BTW, Florida is not alone in this, there are plenty of other places with similar problems. I watched a report suggesting that Australia had a streak of serious structural failures and downright collapses of caused by corrupt residential construction practices and hidden design errors that reveal themselves past warranty periods.

fintail

Armed and polite society! Another thing like trickle down economics that seems completely logical and reasonable, but doesn't work so much in practice.

kyfdx said:

Are we confusing open carry with concealed carry?

Open carry isn't restricted in most states. Most permits are for concealed carry. Those restrictions have been eliminated in my area, unfortunately.

driver100

tjc78 said:

@driver100 said:

It looks worse in this picture. And what is a 53 year old doing driving a Buick....I thought you had to be 60+.

It goes to show you, it isn't the best getaway car too. And he tries to get away from the police with kids in the car;

Lucky to have survived that!

I’m 42 and have had three Buick’s…..

When you look at surveys over the last few years Cadillac and Buick have the oldest drivers. Even in this 2018 Carmax found older buyers buy pre-owned Caddies and Buicks at Carmax;

CarMax compiled and studied the average buyer age at its dealerships for one year and ranked which brands draw the oldest buyers in the pre-owned vehicle market.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, Buick and Cadillac sit at the top of the chart. Cadillac ranked number one with an average age of 47.1 and Buick came in second place at 45.

Averages are made up of above and below...I guess you are below.

Youngest buyers tend to buy Mazdas and VWs.

driver100

henryn said:

tjc78 said:

@driver100 said:

It looks worse in this picture. And what is a 53 year old doing driving a Buick....I thought you had to be 60+.

It goes to show you, it isn't the best getaway car too. And he tries to get away from the police with kids in the car;

Lucky to have survived that!

I’m 42 and have had three Buick’s…..

------------------end quoted material-----------------

I haven't owned a Buick personally, but one long term girl friend did, and I did so much work on that car I might as well have owned it. On the plus side, we took a lot of trips in that car, so I did get something out of it.

How old was your girlfriend?

driver100

snakeweasel said:

To everyone, thanks for your thoughtful comments about my puppy situation. I did talk to the local humane society and the vet and it looks like he will be leaving us soon as there is not much we can do other than let it go on which is something I am not happy with either. At least he had many years here where he was safe, warm and dry.

.....and that is the most important thing....you gave him the best possible life possible, and he lived to a pretty good age all considered. You can't do more than that.

It is extra hard because we are their guardians. They rely on us for their well being. We are their custodians. But the hardest but best thing to do is to let him go peacefully as possible. It's hard whenever I remember it.

The day of we put Coco on some sedatives. She was quiet until someone came to the door and then she barked away....poor thing. Each time it was hard putting our dogs down, but I know, as hard as it was to do, it was the right thing to do...and I would definitely do it again.

driver100

stickguy said:

I had a 1975 Opel. Sold by Buick dealer. Is that close enough? I highly doubt I will ever have an actual Buick badged Buick!

I don't think Opels qualify as real Buicks....they were imported and sold by Buick dealers

cdnpinhead

oldfarmer50 said:

No mention was made of ethnicity of any of the parties.

Absolutely true, which is the case in many news stories these days in which this excuse is levied. Just trying to keep up with the times.

henryn

driver100 said:

henryn said:

tjc78 said:

@driver100 said:

It looks worse in this picture. And what is a 53 year old doing driving a Buick....I thought you had to be 60+.

It goes to show you, it isn't the best getaway car too. And he tries to get away from the police with kids in the car;

Lucky to have survived that!

I’m 42 and have had three Buick’s…..

------------------end quoted material-----------------

I haven't owned a Buick personally, but one long term girl friend did, and I did so much work on that car I might as well have owned it. On the plus side, we took a lot of trips in that car, so I did get something out of it.

How old was your girlfriend?

She was 9 years younger than me, and I was 61 to 64 while we dated. So 52 to 55, inclusive. And did I mention she was very attractive, but red headed and had the temper to go with the red hair?

henryn

fintail said:

Similar situation was probably avoided in Seattle:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McGuire_Apartments

PNW west side housing stock is laughably overpriced relative to the quality received by the average buyer - the kind of stuff one would expect in the south, but at thrice the price.


Probably quite a few. Florida has been improving its standards and codes for decades (starting with Andrew, then every bigger hurricane brings more updates), but the enforcement is often clearly lacking. Between rotting Chinese drywall a few years ago entire new developments being built against zoning and periodic construction frenzy (especially in Miami Dade, but other places, too) and general low quality of labor, it's no wonder something like that happens. BTW, Florida is not alone in this, there are plenty of other places with similar problems. I watched a report suggesting that Australia had a streak of serious structural failures and downright collapses of caused by corrupt residential construction practices and hidden design errors that reveal themselves past warranty periods.

I might have mentioned this before, you'll have to pardon me if I'm repeating myself here. They are constructing 2 new houses directly across the street from me. Tall, narrow, 2 houses on one lot with about 18 inches in between. When they poured the concrete for the driveways, I noticed some very definite cheating going on. The forms were setup, and the rebar was placed on pedestals. The city inspector came out, and immediately after he left 4 men jumped out with shovels and started shoveling dirt back into the forms. The forms were (by my estimate) set for a 4 inch slab, and the workers filled them up about halfway with dirt. Which incidentally pretty much covered the rebar. So when the concrete trucks came about 2 hours later, the slab was only 2 inches thick and pretty much no rebar in the slab itself.

Probably saved a couple of thousand on the cost of the concrete. And really makes me wonder just what other shortcuts they took.

sda

driver100 said:

tjc78 said:

@driver100 said:

It looks worse in this picture. And what is a 53 year old doing driving a Buick....I thought you had to be 60+.

It goes to show you, it isn't the best getaway car too. And he tries to get away from the police with kids in the car;

Lucky to have survived that!

I’m 42 and have had three Buick’s…..

When you look at surveys over the last few years Cadillac and Buick have the oldest drivers. Even in this 2018 Carmax found older buyers buy pre-owned Caddies and Buicks at Carmax;

CarMax compiled and studied the average buyer age at its dealerships for one year and ranked which brands draw the oldest buyers in the pre-owned vehicle market.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, Buick and Cadillac sit at the top of the chart. Cadillac ranked number one with an average age of 47.1 and Buick came in second place at 45.

Averages are made up of above and below...I guess you are below.

Youngest buyers tend to buy Mazdas and VWs.


I like being young. [62]

roadburner

My son bought us tickets to F9 in IMAX tonight. The IMAX theaters are the only ones in my area that have decent sound, so if it isn't in IMAX we wait and watch it on my main HTS.
My son and I love the FF franchise but we go into the theater expecting outrageous action sequences and crazy plot twists- for us it's all part of the fun. We stared when he was 10- I received a DVD of 2 Fast 2 Furious for test driving a new 2004 Lancer O·Z Rally. The following 16 years have flown by.

tjc78

@henryn said:
She was 9 years younger than me, and I was 61 to 64 while we dated. So 52 to 55, inclusive. And did I mention she was very attractive, but red headed and had the temper to go with the red hair?

My wife is ten years younger than me.

tjc78

@roadburner said:
My son bought us tickets to F9 in IMAX tonight. The IMAX theaters are the only ones in my area that have decent sound, so if it isn't in IMAX we wait and watch it on my main HTS.
My son and I love the FF franchise but we go into the theater expecting outrageous action sequences and crazy plot twists- for us it's all part of the fun. We stared when he was 10- I received a DVD of 2 Fast 2 Furious for test driving a new 2004 Lancer O·Z Rally. The following 16 years have flown by.

Sounds like an awesome time! My son has been starting to watch a lot my favorites from the 80s. He watched BTTF 1 & 2 in the theater room the other day. I think I’m going to introduce him to the Goonies soon.

sb55

explorerx4 said:

@sb55,
It's so cute. Is Boo Boo there too?

@explorerx4 Sorry. I didn't post the bear picture. It was @oldfarmer50. He took the pic in Wilmington, VT, which is very southern VT (near Mt. Snow). I live north of Burlington in "the Islands" (Grand Isle County). From what I hear, there are no bears on the Island. In my 66+ years, I have never seen a bear in the wild! Not even when I lived in Westchester County, NY where there are bears.

explorerx4

@sb55,
Sorry, I the top of the post wasn't displayed on my screen and I didn't scroll up to see who made it.
Just made an assumption.

ab348

driver100 said:

When you look at surveys over the last few years Cadillac and Buick have the oldest drivers. Even in this 2018 Carmax found older buyers buy pre-owned Caddies and Buicks at Carmax;

CarMax compiled and studied the average buyer age at its dealerships for one year and ranked which brands draw the oldest buyers in the pre-owned vehicle market.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, Buick and Cadillac sit at the top of the chart. Cadillac ranked number one with an average age of 47.1 and Buick came in second place at 45.

Averages are made up of above and below...I guess you are below.

Youngest buyers tend to buy Mazdas and VWs.

Those surveys may have been accurate a decade ago but I do not think that is the case now. First, Buick does not sell cars anymore, just a variety of CUVs and SUVs. While the Encore seems to appeal to the seniors set, they still do not sell them in quantity here. I am much more likely to see a senior driving a Kia, Hyundai, Toyota or Nissan equivalent. As for Cadillac, the seniors set generally hates their current sporty-car lineup. They are much more likely to buy a Lexus, M-B or similar.

Now, if you are talking the used-car market for the more impoverished seniors, all bets are off.

explorerx4

None of those brands aren't high volume sellers new, so there aren't that many used ones either.
VW is the largest of those, around 350k sales new, but the volume brands sell at much higher levels.
To put it another way, most older people don't buy Cadillac's.

driver100

explorerx4 said:

None of those brands aren't high volume sellers new, so there aren't that many used ones either.
VW is the largest of those, around 350k sales new, but the volume brands sell at much higher levels.
To put it another way, most older people don't buy Cadillac's.

Or to put it another way, most Cadillac owners are older...in fact the oldest age group.

ab348

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

None of those brands aren't high volume sellers new, so there aren't that many used ones either.
VW is the largest of those, around 350k sales new, but the volume brands sell at much higher levels.
To put it another way, most older people don't buy Cadillac's.

Or to put it another way, most Cadillac owners are older...in fact the oldest age group.

Not any more. What are they buying? The Sedan DeVille hasn't been made for a while and I don't see too many seniors driving CT5s. Even the Caddy SUVs skew younger these days. The XT4, XT5 and XT6 are favorites of the 30/40-something mommy set.

What I am really saying is that your source is way off base since there is nothing from Cadillac for them to buy.

driver100

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

None of those brands aren't high volume sellers new, so there aren't that many used ones either.
VW is the largest of those, around 350k sales new, but the volume brands sell at much higher levels.
To put it another way, most older people don't buy Cadillac's.

Or to put it another way, most Cadillac owners are older...in fact the oldest age group.

Not any more. What are they buying? The Sedan DeVille hasn't been made for a while and I don't see too many seniors driving CT5s. Even the Caddy SUVs skew younger these days. The XT4, XT5 and XT6 are favorites of the 30/40-something mommy set.

What I am really saying is that your source is way off base since there is nothing from Cadillac for them to buy.

According to J.D. Power data, 65% of Cadillac CT5 buyers are male, which aligns well with the midsize premium car segment as a whole at 64%. However, at a median age of 68, the CT5 buyer is significantly older than the segment average for all midsize premium cars, with considerably higher numbers of Pre Boomer and Baby Boomer buyers and much fewer Gen X and Gen Y buyers than the segment in total.

https://www.jdpower.com/cars/expert-reviews/2020-cadillac-ct5-review

explorerx4

@driver100,
You keep cherry picking stats. CT5(sedan) is not a big seller for Cadillac, so your single evidence source is very suspect.
Pretty much only old people buy sedans anyway.

jmonroe1

henryn said:

driver100 said:

henryn said:

tjc78 said:

@driver100 said:

It looks worse in this picture. And what is a 53 year old doing driving a Buick....I thought you had to be 60+.

It goes to show you, it isn't the best getaway car too. And he tries to get away from the police with kids in the car;

Lucky to have survived that!

I’m 42 and have had three Buick’s…..

------------------end quoted material-----------------

I haven't owned a Buick personally, but one long term girl friend did, and I did so much work on that car I might as well have owned it. On the plus side, we took a lot of trips in that car, so I did get something out of it.

How old was your girlfriend?

She was 9 years younger than me, and I was 61 to 64 while we dated. So 52 to 55, inclusive. And did I mention she was very attractive, but red headed and had the temper to go with the red hair?



IIRC, one of our poster buddies had a redheaded girl friend when going to school. I forget the name he had for her but it was somewhat descriptive.

FWIW, I dated a reddish hair colored girl while in high school. One of the nicest girls I ever dated. Maybe even the nicest, then I met a fiery brunette.

jmonroe

roadburner

tjc78 said:

@roadburner said:

My son bought us tickets to F9 in IMAX tonight. The IMAX theaters are the only ones in my area that have decent sound, so if it isn't in IMAX we wait and watch it on my main HTS.

My son and I love the FF franchise but we go into the theater expecting outrageous action sequences and crazy plot twists- for us it's all part of the fun. We started when he was 10- I received a DVD of 2 Fast 2 Furious for test driving a new 2004 Lancer O·Z Rally. The following 16 years have flown by.

Sounds like an awesome time! My son has been starting to watch a lot my favorites from the 80s. He watched BTTF 1 & 2 in the theater room the other day. I think I’m going to introduce him to the Goonies soon.

It is so much fun introducing your kids to the movies that you liked. When my son was 5 or 6 he wanted to rent the silent Phantom of the Opera; I explained that it was silent and that you had to read the captions. He asked. "Will you read it for me?" It was only a 50 cent rental so I figured I'd humor him and rent it. I cued it up and he sat there and watched it from beginning to end without even a bathroom break. That led to him wanting to watch all of the classic Universal monster movies- Frankenstein, Dracula, The Wolf Man, etc.

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

henryn said:

driver100 said:

henryn said:

tjc78 said:

@driver100 said:

It looks worse in this picture. And what is a 53 year old doing driving a Buick....I thought you had to be 60+.

It goes to show you, it isn't the best getaway car too. And he tries to get away from the police with kids in the car;

Lucky to have survived that!

I’m 42 and have had three Buick’s…..

------------------end quoted material-----------------

I haven't owned a Buick personally, but one long term girl friend did, and I did so much work on that car I might as well have owned it. On the plus side, we took a lot of trips in that car, so I did get something out of it.

How old was your girlfriend?

She was 9 years younger than me, and I was 61 to 64 while we dated. So 52 to 55, inclusive. And did I mention she was very attractive, but red headed and had the temper to go with the red hair?

IIRC, one of our poster buddies had a redheaded girl friend when going to school. I forget the name he had for her but it was somewhat descriptive.

FWIW, I dated a reddish hair colored girl while in high school. One of the nicest girls I ever dated. Maybe even the nicest, then I met a fiery brunette.

jmonroe

I wonder if you guys all dated the same red-head?

driver100

explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
You keep cherry picking stats. CT5(sedan) is not a big seller for Cadillac, so your single evidence source is very suspect.
Pretty much only old people buy sedans anyway.

Very hard to find statistics on age of each model....I worked with what I had. I know Cadillac is attracting younger buyers, but not very many of them. I'm all ears or eyes if you can come up with some new information....I just report what I can find.

explorerx4

@driver100,
We deserve a better effort.

jmonroe1

explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
You keep cherry picking stats. CT5(sedan) is not a big seller for Cadillac, so your single evidence source is very suspect.
Pretty much only old people buy sedans anyway.

Cherry picking? Really? Tell us something we don't know.

jmonroe

ab348

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
You keep cherry picking stats. CT5(sedan) is not a big seller for Cadillac, so your single evidence source is very suspect.
Pretty much only old people buy sedans anyway.

Very hard to find statistics on age of each model....I worked with what I had. I know Cadillac is attracting younger buyers, but not very many of them. I'm all ears or eyes if you can come up with some new information....I just report what I can find.

That APEAL survey the CT5 reviewer cites is not published online so we are taking him at his word, since he has apparently been allowed to see it. I still find it very dubious since the few senior citizens who will actually buy a CT5 are among the lucky few who can actually still be physically sound enough to get in and out of it. Without comparative age figures for other makes it is meaningless. The rest of the ownership data I can find online is all based on the same Carmax study you cited earlier, which is 3 years old and deals with used cars, which would have been a few model years old at the time, so back when Cadillac luxo-barges were still found on the used lots. Based on that I dismiss it.

But if you like studies from 3 or 4 years ago, here's one which shows that the average Buick buyer was the oldest around at the time, but that the age of Cadillac, M-B and BMW drivers was too close to be significant. Hard to reconcile those numbers with what the CT5 reviewer said.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/globe-wealth/rolls-royce-drivers-are-a-lot-younger-than-you-think/article35539853/

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

tjc78 said:

@driver100 said:

It looks worse in this picture. And what is a 53 year old doing driving a Buick....I thought you had to be 60+.

It goes to show you, it isn't the best getaway car too. And he tries to get away from the police with kids in the car;

Lucky to have survived that!

I’m 42 and have had three Buick’s…..

When you look at surveys over the last few years Cadillac and Buick have the oldest drivers. Even in this 2018 Carmax found older buyers buy pre-owned Caddies and Buicks at Carmax;

CarMax compiled and studied the average buyer age at its dealerships for one year and ranked which brands draw the oldest buyers in the pre-owned vehicle market.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, Buick and Cadillac sit at the top of the chart. Cadillac ranked number one with an average age of 47.1 and Buick came in second place at 45.

Averages are made up of above and below...I guess you are below.

Youngest buyers tend to buy Mazdas and VWs.


I wonder how they get that data, off your drivers license I guess. No one ever asked me how old I was. I don’t recall, do you give your birthdate when you take out a loan?

abacomike

Blood tests came back. My Uric acid level is very high causing gout in my big toe on my tight foot. Doc gave me RX to help alleviate pain and redness.

Red blood cell count is low as is my CBC - I am a bit anemic. Need to have back surgery but not until my kidney functions get back to normal. Bruised arm is infected so i am on antibiotics.

I am a mess!

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

@sb55,
Sorry, I the top of the post wasn't displayed on my screen and I didn't scroll up to see who made it.
Just made an assumption.

That’s ok, we’ve been on his island so much during our “cruise” days going from Plattsburgh to Burlington on the ferry that I feel like I live there. Yogi was sneaking in for a snack at the restaurant dumpster when he spotted us and decided we were too grizzly and wouldn’t taste good.

That Wilmington areas has a lot of wildlife. A few weeks ago one of our guys almost hit a moose on the same road.

henryn

I've never seen a moose in person, but from what I've seen on TV they are big. As in, you wouldn't want to hit one while driving anything less than a Sherman tank. Down here in Texas, deer are the problem. They are much smaller than a moose, but you can still total out a car or pickup when you hit one.

driver100

explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
We deserve a better effort.

You get what you pay for!

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
You keep cherry picking stats. CT5(sedan) is not a big seller for Cadillac, so your single evidence source is very suspect.
Pretty much only old people buy sedans anyway.

Cherry picking? Really? Tell us something we don't know.

jmonroe

Here's another criticizer! Why don't you look up statistics?
btw...he called you an old man...he said only old people buy sedans.
I think people who are youthful buy European Sedans.

driver100

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
You keep cherry picking stats. CT5(sedan) is not a big seller for Cadillac, so your single evidence source is very suspect.
Pretty much only old people buy sedans anyway.

Very hard to find statistics on age of each model....I worked with what I had. I know Cadillac is attracting younger buyers, but not very many of them. I'm all ears or eyes if you can come up with some new information....I just report what I can find.

That APEAL survey the CT5 reviewer cites is not published online so we are taking him at his word, since he has apparently been allowed to see it. I still find it very dubious since the few senior citizens who will actually buy a CT5 are among the lucky few who can actually still be physically sound enough to get in and out of it. Without comparative age figures for other makes it is meaningless. The rest of the ownership data I can find online is all based on the same Carmax study you cited earlier, which is 3 years old and deals with used cars, which would have been a few model years old at the time, so back when Cadillac luxo-barges were still found on the used lots. Based on that I dismiss it.

But if you like studies from 3 or 4 years ago, here's one which shows that the average Buick buyer was the oldest around at the time, but that the age of Cadillac, M-B and BMW drivers was too close to be significant. Hard to reconcile those numbers with what the CT5 reviewer said.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/globe-wealth/rolls-royce-drivers-are-a-lot-younger-than-you-think/article35539853/

It looks like an interesting article, but like you said, it is 3 years old and the model line up has changed....and a lot of those older Cadillac owners are no longer with us.
I didn't go on it because I'd have to sign up with the Globe and Mail and I already read a local newspaper and the National Post so I don't need more news coming from the G&M.
MB buyers are older and that happens because most people don't have the money to buy luxury cars until later in life. No matter what they say, IMHO that I see mostly older buyers in MBs, maybe a bit younger in BMWs, but I see very few young people driving or buying a Cadillac.

driver100

@oldfarmer50 I wonder how they get that data, off your drivers license I guess. No one ever asked me how old I was. I don’t recall, do you give your birthdate when you take out a loan?

If all these fake warranty companies can get your data I am sure J.D. Powers has their ways.

explorerx4

@driver100,
I wouldn't complain if we were getting our money's worth, but this is like being upside down on a loan.

ab348

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

But if you like studies from 3 or 4 years ago, here's one which shows that the average Buick buyer was the oldest around at the time, but that the age of Cadillac, M-B and BMW drivers was too close to be significant. Hard to reconcile those numbers with what the CT5 reviewer said.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/globe-wealth/rolls-royce-drivers-are-a-lot-younger-than-you-think/article35539853/

It looks like an interesting article, but like you said, it is 3 years old and the model line up has changed....and a lot of those older Cadillac owners are no longer with us.
I didn't go on it because I'd have to sign up with the Globe and Mail and I already read a local newspaper and the National Post so I don't need more news coming from the G&M.
MB buyers are older and that happens because most people don't have the money to buy luxury cars until later in life. No matter what they say, IMHO that I see mostly older buyers in MBs, maybe a bit younger in BMWs, but I see very few young people driving or buying a Cadillac.

Since you didn't read it I will summarize. In 2017 the average age of Buick owners was 59. But Cadillac, BMW and M-B were all under the same blanket between ages 50 and 52.

What will perhaps surprise you is that the average age of Rolls-Royce buyers was 47, a big drop from what it once was. They attribute that to them being so expensive that they could only be purchased by young and otherwise generally clueless types who made obscene amounts of money in the entertainment, IT and gaming businesses.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
You keep cherry picking stats. CT5(sedan) is not a big seller for Cadillac, so your single evidence source is very suspect.
Pretty much only old people buy sedans anyway.

Cherry picking? Really? Tell us something we don't know.

jmonroe

Here's another criticizer! Why don't you look up statistics?
btw...he called you an old man...he said only old people buy sedans.
I think people who are youthful buy European Sedans.

I’m not a statistics hound but you know if I became one the info I posted would at least be accurate so there wouldn’t be any need for you in here. Be careful what you wish for before it back fires on you.

jmonroe