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qbrozen

You waited this long, I say wait till deals improve significantly. A loaner s60 is probably still cheaper, fyi.

benjaminh

$513 a month for a TLX Advance with sh-awd sounds good to me. Lotta luxo-sport for the money. That one has the adaptive suspension so that you can dial it to sporty or soft whenever you feel like it, 17 speaker 3D sound system, windshield de-icer, ventilated front seats, surround view camera, power folding side mirrors, wood trim interior, heated rear seats, heated steering wheel, parking sensors, etc. Kind of the end-of-the line for the gas powered luxury-sport car.

tjc78

I’d take that deal especially in today’s market.

driver100

benjaminh said:

$513 a month for a TLX Advance with sh-awd sounds good to me. Lotta luxo-sport for the money. That one has the adaptive suspension so that you can dial it to sporty or soft whenever you feel like it, 17 speaker 3D sound system, windshield de-icer, ventilated front seats, surround view camera, power folding side mirrors, wood trim interior, heated rear seats, heated steering wheel, parking sensors, etc.

I'd settle for a lone fuzzy 100 pixel rear camera on the C250.

stickguy

It is nicely loaded.

benjaminh

A TLX tech fwd seems like a good deal for 443, but for 70 more a month I might go for the ultimate. As my wife and I sometimes joking say to each other, "The more you buy the more you save" lol! I think that was a tag line for the Alpha Beta grocery store back in the 1990s.

For $840 more a year you go from a nice car to a really nice car.

But back to the tire thing, here's the fine print on Michelin's claim that their CrossClimate2 tire can stop up to 50 feet shorter/faster than some tires on a wet road in the rain.

"Based on internal wet braking tests from 50 MPH using tires in size 235/55R18 on a 2020 Toyota RAV4 where the MICHELIN® CrossClimate®2 tire had an average stopping distance of 142.9 ft against Continental® CrossContact™ LX25 with an average stopping distance of 195.8 ft and the Goodyear® Assurance® WeatherReady® with an average stopping distance of 198.6 ft; and in size 215/55R17 on a 2019 Toyota Camry where the MICHELIN® CrossClimate®2 tire had an average stopping distance of 181.0 ft versus the Bridgestone® Turanza™ QuietTrack™ with an average stopping distance of 216.2 ft and the Continental® PureContact™ LS with an average stopping distance of 227.8 ft. Actual on-road results may vary."

Seems legit. And seems worth 1-2 mpg, which is what most are reporting. Could prevent an accident right there.

sda

Dad always says "It only costs a little bit more to go first class."

driver100

sda said:

Dad always says "It only costs a little bit more to go first class."

I don't know...economy Toronto to Tampa on August 26th $324.
First Class same flight $595!

stickguy

I think any new tire can cost some MPG, since you go from semi-slick to actual traction. So have to compare new to new. Tire rack actually does that when they do tire comparisons.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

sda said:

Dad always says "It only costs a little bit more to go first class."

I don't know...economy Toronto to Tampa on August 26th $324.
First Class same flight $595!

I’ll bet when you do the @driver100 math, the additional cost per mile going first class is infinitesimal. Even more of a bargain if calculating per foot.

jmonroe

sda

driver100 said:

sda said:

Dad always says "It only costs a little bit more to go first class."

I don't know...economy Toronto to Tampa on August 26th $324.
First Class same flight $595!

I think you know what his point is, it is false economy to cheap out (lesser quality) and regret your purchase.

stickguy

but too many people translate that to needing to spend more for something that does not give appropriate value. On the flight, you end up the same place. If standard seat is comfortable enough, not really worth the upgrade. On the car, if the Tech package has everything you need, pointless to spend extra for features you will likely never use or barely get any value from.

ab348

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

sda said:

Dad always says "It only costs a little bit more to go first class."

I don't know...economy Toronto to Tampa on August 26th $324.
First Class same flight $595!

I’ll bet when you do the @driver100 math, the additional cost per mile going first class is infinitesimal. Even more of a bargain if calculating per foot.

jmonroe

For a high roller like @driver100, mere pennies per kilometer!

benjaminh

The tech level for an Acura does seem a good balance of price and value, and it does seem to have everything you need and more.

The Maverick seems like a great deal even at msrp, and sounds like it would be useful if you're moving.

The Civic Hatchback with the 6-speed manual also seems like one of the last of its kind.

stickguy

3 fine choices. Serving different niches.

Best bet might be the truck. Gives an excuse to get a sporty toy later!

stickguy

Too bad Mavericks won’t be in stock for a long time.

benjaminh

Yeah, it would be good to test drive the Maverick before you buy.

Sandman6472

Stick, we lived on your side of the Hudson, just closer to the city. We had central air/heat and the house was built in 1957. Do remember a room downstairs had all this equipment for the system, we called it the utility room. Sometimes when we did the change over from heating to cooling, there would be some water on the floor but since I was a kid, never gave it much thought. The guy would come and take care of it as my ad was super busy with business and my mom, well, not quite sure hat she did!
Luckily, we kids were sent away to summer camp in Connecticut for 8 weeks and it was somewhat cool there at night. Remember wearing a sweatshirt in my later years.

Sandman6472

Looks like Fred will be coming through this weekend. Lots of rain according to The Weather Channel and maybe a little bit of wind. Hurricane season in South Florida is always something different and frankly, I've really had enough!

driver100

sda said:

driver100 said:

sda said:

Dad always says "It only costs a little bit more to go first class."

I don't know...economy Toronto to Tampa on August 26th $324.
First Class same flight $595!

I think you know what his point is, it is false economy to cheap out (lesser quality) and regret your purchase.

I am a big believer in that and I know people who always buy the cheapest and think that price is the only thing that matters. When it comes to cars it is less expensive to spend more upfront, get what you want, and then you will be happy with it for a long time.
I think I learned my lesson a long time ago when I bought cheap but nice looking shoes. I din't like wearing them, they made me tired and irritable, they were uncomfortable....buying shoes that were more expensive would have been the much better choice.

tjc78

I can’t win. Guy came to do the windshield. Install went well and he did a great job. When he was putting the trim back on the safety sensors he hit the moonroof switch and it attempted to open. The sunshade didn’t retract but the glass did. Now it won’t shut. The auto open/close has been sketchy so I guess it finally went. This will be the second time.

Dealer said not to drive it because the fabric sunshade can be damaged. So it’s getting picked up at 8 tomorrow. Not sure if a tow is any better for it, but whatever they want. It also has several recalls and needs service.

Wife thinks the windshield guy broke it… but how is that even possible. He didn’t touch anything associated with it.

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

sda said:

Dad always says "It only costs a little bit more to go first class."

I don't know...economy Toronto to Tampa on August 26th $324.
First Class same flight $595!

I’ll bet when you do the @driver100 math, the additional cost per mile going first class is infinitesimal. Even more of a bargain if calculating per foot.

jmonroe

No matter what math I use it is almost double to fly first class. It would cost an extra $270 to go 1400 miles which is more than $5 a mile.
I would consider first class on a flight over 5 hours, it is hard to justify for me for a 3 hour flight. I don't have too much of a problem being treated like cattle for 3 hours.

driver100

ab348 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

sda said:

Dad always says "It only costs a little bit more to go first class."

I don't know...economy Toronto to Tampa on August 26th $324.
First Class same flight $595!

I’ll bet when you do the @driver100 math, the additional cost per mile going first class is infinitesimal. Even more of a bargain if calculating per foot.

jmonroe

For a high roller like @driver100, mere pennies per kilometer!

Even I can't rationalize paying almost double for a 3 hour flight.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

sda said:

Dad always says "It only costs a little bit more to go first class."

I don't know...economy Toronto to Tampa on August 26th $324.
First Class same flight $595!

I’ll bet when you do the @driver100 math, the additional cost per mile going first class is infinitesimal. Even more of a bargain if calculating per foot.

jmonroe

No matter what math I use it is almost double to fly first class. It would cost an extra $270 to go 1400 miles which is more than $5 a mile.
I would consider first class on a flight over 5 hours, it is hard to justify for me for a 3 hour flight. I don't have too much of a problem being treated like cattle for 3 hours.

If you went first class you wouldn’t need expensive comfortable shoes, even cheap tennis shoes would get you there in comfort in economy.

FWIW, I’ve never had a problem with shoes no matter what I paid for them, comfort wise. In fact years ago the more expensive shoes had leather soles that wore out in 2 months. After a few of those, rubber soled shoes is all I’ve bought since.

More expensive shoes can get even more expensive when you have to repair or replace them earlier than expected.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

This 15 Cruze had Continental ContiProcontact tires on it when we bought it for our son in 2015. They drove softer than Michelins and were very good tires. Despite being regularly rotated when the dealer did the oil changes, they developed a hum. It seemed like it was from the edge lugs. It was like tires develope from lumps on the inner or outer edges from misalignment.

The tire store manager told me the Continental tires did that kind of wear. I thought it might be because I kept the tires over Chev pressure by about 2-3 pounds and that affected the wear on the center rather than wearing over the full width.

I had the same thing happen with the OEM Pirelli all seasons that came on the Mustang. It annoyed me so much that I switched to Michelins when they were only half worn.

snakeweasel

benjaminh said:

Yeah, I don't think Honda offers 7500 mile leases. And Acura's leases, as you know, are quite good when it comes to extra miles. $443 for a lease on a 2021 TLX Tech sounds good to me. But as you know, the new TLX is somewhat wide at 75 inches, and so that might not work so well with your garage. Acura is planning to come out with a new compact EV SUV in a couple of years, and so when your lease is up that might be an option.

But the Maverick could be a great choice too. And ditto with the Civic hatchback.

I'm having a love/hate thing going with the Maverick. I really like the concept but I don't like the fact that you cant get it with 4WD and AWD is only available on the non hybrid model

snakeweasel

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

sda said:

Dad always says "It only costs a little bit more to go first class."

I don't know...economy Toronto to Tampa on August 26th $324.
First Class same flight $595!

I’ll bet when you do the @driver100 math, the additional cost per mile going first class is infinitesimal. Even more of a bargain if calculating per foot.

jmonroe

Now you're sounding like a slick salesman.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

abacomike said:

My G90 has Continental Contiprocontact all season tires (P245/45 R19 98W front - P275/40 R19 98W rear). They are not run flats - they are premium grand touring tires. Tire Rack sell a set of 4 for close to $1300 and includes free road hazard for 2 years.

I don’t expect them to last very long but when I replace them, I expect to put Michelins on.

Do you have a spare? I was surprised when a friend told me his Volvo V60 doesn't have a spare, his tires aren't RFTs, and there isn't a donut tire. If he gets a flat I guess he is supposed to call AAA. Does this even make sense?

If you had a flat what would you do, call AAA or struggle trying to get those welded on lug nuts of with a plastic lug wrench? The last time I tried to change a flat tire it was impossible to get the nuts off without an impact wrench.

snakeweasel

stickguy said:

but too many people translate that to needing to spend more for something that does not give appropriate value. On the flight, you end up the same place. If standard seat is comfortable enough, not really worth the upgrade. On the car, if the Tech package has everything you need, pointless to spend extra for features you will likely never use or barely get any value from.

Yes it comes down to does the extra you get worth what you pay for it. The back of the plane lands at the same time as the front. Now the front of the plane gets off the plane faster but that only means they will be waiting at the baggage claim longer. Personally I rather cheap out on the plane tickets and have more money to spend at the destination.

explorerx4

If you are like my kids, you buy a cheap ticket and the airline upgrades you yo first class.

oldfarmer50

ronsteve said:

@snakeweasel said:

Most of the officers I know might give you a break if you were honest saying you were "being a jackass" but if you were a smarta## and said "I paid for all of the speedometer" they would make sure you truly paid for it all.

Last June I was “driving angry” on the Gene Slider and got pulled after goosing it up to about 90 passing on the right, then probably pinched somebody as I moved to the left lane to let merging traffic in. The cop was like “what (the hell) is going on?” I had no excuse and told him that work was pissing me off and I guess I’m just driving like an A-hole.” He didn’t write anything up, just took a few extra seconds of conversation and left me with “c’mon, man… slow it down.”

The last 3 miles of that trip were a lot more conservative, and then I stopped to realize I was at least a little bit privileged in that I never felt like I was going to be shot, beaten, tasered, ordered out of the car, or otherwise escalated in any way.

Like 99.99% of the population who don’t try to fight with the cop.

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

mcdawgg said:

@stickguy said:

Quick look at civic hatch. I like it. Always been a sucky for a 5 door like this. Spiritual successor to my former, still missed, 626 5-door.

Debate on the 6 speed though. Wife not as sure about it!

If wife not sure about the manual, DON'T do it.

Eh, she will get over it. She doesn't really care. More to do with if our daughter comes home to visit and needs to borrow something, she wants her to borrow mine, not hers. I am not deciding based on that. Otherwise, only worry was if I decide to sell in a few years, but pretty sure it will be a hot item then too.

You need to get a toy that suits YOU, not anyone else. Then they can adjust to you, not the other way around. C’mon, you deserve it.

jmonroe1

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

abacomike said:

My G90 has Continental Contiprocontact all season tires (P245/45 R19 98W front - P275/40 R19 98W rear). They are not run flats - they are premium grand touring tires. Tire Rack sell a set of 4 for close to $1300 and includes free road hazard for 2 years.

I don’t expect them to last very long but when I replace them, I expect to put Michelins on.

Do you have a spare? I was surprised when a friend told me his Volvo V60 doesn't have a spare, his tires aren't RFTs, and there isn't a donut tire. If he gets a flat I guess he is supposed to call AAA. Does this even make sense?

If you had a flat what would you do, call AAA or struggle trying to get those welded on lug nuts of with a plastic lug wrench? The last time I tried to change a flat tire it was impossible to get the nuts off without an impact wrench.

Why weren’t you listening when I told you guys how to avoid that. Do you think I talk to hear myself or what? :@ :@

jmonroe

explorerx4

What is up with you rental car company drivers?

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oldfarmer50

jmonroe1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

abacomike said:

My G90 has Continental Contiprocontact all season tires (P245/45 R19 98W front - P275/40 R19 98W rear). They are not run flats - they are premium grand touring tires. Tire Rack sell a set of 4 for close to $1300 and includes free road hazard for 2 years.

I don’t expect them to last very long but when I replace them, I expect to put Michelins on.

Do you have a spare? I was surprised when a friend told me his Volvo V60 doesn't have a spare, his tires aren't RFTs, and there isn't a donut tire. If he gets a flat I guess he is supposed to call AAA. Does this even make sense?

If you had a flat what would you do, call AAA or struggle trying to get those welded on lug nuts of with a plastic lug wrench? The last time I tried to change a flat tire it was impossible to get the nuts off without an impact wrench.

Why weren’t you listening when I told you guys how to avoid that. Do you think I talk to hear myself or what? :@ :@

jmonroe

This was years ago, I hadn’t figured out how to time travel listen back then.⚡️⚡️😩

jmonroe1

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

abacomike said:

My G90 has Continental Contiprocontact all season tires (P245/45 R19 98W front - P275/40 R19 98W rear). They are not run flats - they are premium grand touring tires. Tire Rack sell a set of 4 for close to $1300 and includes free road hazard for 2 years.

I don’t expect them to last very long but when I replace them, I expect to put Michelins on.

Do you have a spare? I was surprised when a friend told me his Volvo V60 doesn't have a spare, his tires aren't RFTs, and there isn't a donut tire. If he gets a flat I guess he is supposed to call AAA. Does this even make sense?

If you had a flat what would you do, call AAA or struggle trying to get those welded on lug nuts of with a plastic lug wrench? The last time I tried to change a flat tire it was impossible to get the nuts off without an impact wrench.

Why weren’t you listening when I told you guys how to avoid that. Do you think I talk to hear myself or what? :@ :@

jmonroe

This was years ago, I hadn’t figured out how to time travel listen back then.⚡️⚡️😩

I’ve always been a sap for a sob story. You’re forgiven. You otta be glad I ain’t a judge.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

What is up with you rental car company drivers?

Not sure of your meaning. Are you asking ‘what’s new with you rental car drivers?’ Or are you asking ‘what is wrong with you rental car drivers?’

stickguy

Bummer on the Volvo. But at least it’s at dealer. Let them fix it all at one time.

explorerx4

@oldfarmer50,
Yes, between driving menaces you and sandman.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

abacomike said:

My G90 has Continental Contiprocontact all season tires (P245/45 R19 98W front - P275/40 R19 98W rear). They are not run flats - they are premium grand touring tires. Tire Rack sell a set of 4 for close to $1300 and includes free road hazard for 2 years.

I don’t expect them to last very long but when I replace them, I expect to put Michelins on.

Do you have a spare? I was surprised when a friend told me his Volvo V60 doesn't have a spare, his tires aren't RFTs, and there isn't a donut tire. If he gets a flat I guess he is supposed to call AAA. Does this even make sense?

The BMW doesn't have run flats nor a spare so I have a tire repair kit and a small air pump just in case.

A tire repair kit when you get a flat on I-75 or somewhere!

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

sda said:

Dad always says "It only costs a little bit more to go first class."

I don't know...economy Toronto to Tampa on August 26th $324.
First Class same flight $595!

I’ll bet when you do the @driver100 math, the additional cost per mile going first class is infinitesimal. Even more of a bargain if calculating per foot.

jmonroe

JMonroe, paying $595 for 1st Class is worth it for you over $324 regular...you would drink that much booze anyway.

roadburner

I saw an M2C at a BP where I sometimes stop on the way home. I talked to the owner for a bit. Finding one at the right price and equipment spec is proving to be a hassle. I may well go with a RWD G42 2er.

ab348

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

sda said:

Dad always says "It only costs a little bit more to go first class."

I don't know...economy Toronto to Tampa on August 26th $324.
First Class same flight $595!

I’ll bet when you do the @driver100 math, the additional cost per mile going first class is infinitesimal. Even more of a bargain if calculating per foot.

jmonroe

JMonroe, paying $595 for 1st Class is worth it for you over $324 regular...you would drink that much booze anyway.

Nah, but it would be worth it for me just for the extra room and not being with the cattle packed into the economy section.

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

@oldfarmer50,
Yes, between driving menaces you and sandman.

I don’t know about Sandy but it’s getting dire up here. There are just no cars to rent any more. The only new ones that have been delivered recently are Mitsu Mirages and Kia Souls. We are assigned to the airport almost every day to facilitate quick delivery of clean cars back into service so that the cleaners don’t have to waste time driving them. Talk about just in time delivery. We joke that we take 100 one mile test drives every day.

One of our drivers tried to use our employee discount program to rent a car only to be told that there were no cars available.

Our biggest controversy is one young kid who likes to stop cleaning and drive all the hot cars himself while 8 drivers stand around doing nothing.

bwia

Sandman6472 said:

Looks like Fred will be coming through this weekend. Lots of rain according to The Weather Channel and maybe a little bit of wind. Hurricane season in South Florida is always something different and frankly, I've really had enough!

Speaking of hurricanes, in the aftermath of Hurricane Harvey (Aug. 17, – Sept 2, 2017) that destroyed more than one million vehicles, making it the single most destructive event in America -- what happened to all these wrecked and flooded cars? And If they were all sold at auction, they probably went for cheap while the insurance companies took a haircut.

abacomike

The latest info on “Fred” is that it will intensify over the next 24-48 hours into a tropical storm. We are now under a flood watch from tonight through Sunday as we will be on what they call the “dirty” side of the storm with 3-5 inches of rain expected causing street flooding, assuming the path of the storm continues to the northwest.

There’s another storm in the Atlantic moving in the same direction as Fred and is expected to hit us mid-week. This one is expected to move more to the Miami direction. That’s the one I am more leery about.

benjaminh

stickguy said:

3 fine choices. Serving different niches.

Best bet might be the truck. Gives an excuse to get a sporty toy later!

Well, if you decide to go for the Maverick, but want to save money for a sporty toy later, what about considering the base model Maverick? I mean, does it have to be all tricked out if it's your functional vehicle? And check this out, which I thought was close to amazing—Ford is right now offering 0% financing for 36 months on the new Maverick, as well as 0.9% at 48 months, and 1.9 for 60 months. But if you get the base model of the Maverick the payments might be doable for 36 months. The base model has Apple CarPlay/AA with 8 inch touch screen, air conditioning, AM/FM radio with 6 speakers, etc. For a work truck that seems good enough to me. Even taking a trip in it should be okay.

tjc78

Bye bye.

Dumbest tow ever…

sda

tjc78 said:

Bye bye.

Dumbest tow ever…

For something so minor, what a pain.