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imidazol97

benjaminh said:

@imidazol97 Since your tires are almost 8 years old imho it's time to get them replaced.

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-xpm-2014-mar-26-la-me-ln-paul-walker-porsche-outdated-tires-crash-20140326-story.html

Based on the almost new appearance of the rubber, sidewall and tread, I think I'll check with my dealer service manager about the tires when I get an oil change soon. Up to 10 years according to Michelin and Continental.




"Many automakers, including Ford, Nissan and Mercedes-Benz, tell owners to replace tires six years after their production date, regardless of tread life. Tire manufacturers such as Continental and Michelin say a tire can last up to 10 years provided you get annual tire inspections after the fifth year."

https://www.edmunds.com/car-maintenance/how-old-and-dangerous-are-your-tires.html#:~:text=Many automakers, including Ford, Nissan,inspections after the fifth year.

cdnpinhead

driver100 said:

It would cost an extra $270 to go 1400 miles which is more than $5 a mile.

For what it's worth, $5/mile times 1400 miles is $7000. This isn't math, it's grade 3 arithmetic.

dino001

cdnpinhead said:

driver100 said:

It would cost an extra $270 to go 1400 miles which is more than $5 a mile.

For what it's worth, $5/mile times 1400 miles is $7000. This isn't math, it's grade 3 arithmetic.

Perhaps these are Canadian miles?

driver100

@sda Nice looking car though! What was the problem again?

ab348

dino001 said:

cdnpinhead said:

driver100 said:

It would cost an extra $270 to go 1400 miles which is more than $5 a mile.

For what it's worth, $5/mile times 1400 miles is $7000. This isn't math, it's grade 3 arithmetic.

Perhaps these are Canadian miles?

I think @driver100 converted the sum to worthless Canadian dollars.

jmonroe1

@cdnpinhead said:
For what it's worth, $5/mile times 1400 miles is $7000. This isn't math, it's grade 3 arithmetic.

For once I kept my mouth shut and decided to let someone else try to teach him something.

Like you’ve said before, better pack a lunch maybe even a dinner.

Let me count the iterations.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

bwia said:

Sandman6472 said:

Looks like Fred will be coming through this weekend. Lots of rain according to The Weather Channel and maybe a little bit of wind. Hurricane season in South Florida is always something different and frankly, I've really had enough!

Speaking of hurricanes, in the aftermath of Hurricane Harvey (Aug. 17, – Sept 2, 2017) that destroyed more than one million vehicles, making it the single most destructive event in America -- what happened to all these wrecked and flooded cars? And If they were all sold at auction, they probably went for cheap while the insurance companies took a haircut.

They were all sold on Craigslist as “extra clean”.🤣

explorerx4

Some insurance companies got caught not branding the titles as 'Flood' on some of those vehicles.

dino001

ab348 said:

dino001 said:

cdnpinhead said:

driver100 said:

It would cost an extra $270 to go 1400 miles which is more than $5 a mile.

For what it's worth, $5/mile times 1400 miles is $7000. This isn't math, it's grade 3 arithmetic.

Perhaps these are Canadian miles?

I think @driver100 converted the sum to worthless Canadian dollars.

Canadian mile divided by Canadian dollar = infinity ...

driver100

cdnpinhead said:

driver100 said:

It would cost an extra $270 to go 1400 miles which is more than $5 a mile.

For what it's worth, $5/mile times 1400 miles is $7000. This isn't math, it's grade 3 arithmetic.

I was testing to see if you were reading my posts. Seems that you follow them pretty closely!

driver100

dino001 said:

cdnpinhead said:

driver100 said:

It would cost an extra $270 to go 1400 miles which is more than $5 a mile.

For what it's worth, $5/mile times 1400 miles is $7000. This isn't math, it's grade 3 arithmetic.

Perhaps these are Canadian miles?

$270 to go 1400 miles is only 20 cents a mile....JMonroe is correct, if we use the driver method that of amortization that ain't bad......it could make First Class worth it.

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

@cdnpinhead said:

For what it's worth, $5/mile times 1400 miles is $7000. This isn't math, it's grade 3 arithmetic.

For once I kept my mouth shut and decided to let someone else try to teach him something.

Like you’ve said before, better pack a lunch maybe even a dinner.

Let me count the iterations.

jmonroe

I haven't done division for about 20 years....I haven't done geometry or algebra in over 50 years....I am a little rusty. Besides, I have way more going on in my head these days...how to play tennis better!

driver100

dino001 said:

ab348 said:

dino001 said:

cdnpinhead said:

driver100 said:

It would cost an extra $270 to go 1400 miles which is more than $5 a mile.

For what it's worth, $5/mile times 1400 miles is $7000. This isn't math, it's grade 3 arithmetic.

Perhaps these are Canadian miles?

I think @driver100 converted the sum to worthless Canadian dollars.

Canadian mile divided by Canadian dollar = infinity ...

Canadian dollars is about right, 20 cents U.S. is equal to $5 Cdn.

cdnpinhead

driver100 said:

I was testing to see if you were reading my posts. Seems that you follow them pretty closely!

I didn't read it when it was posted, as usual, but when others comment I often end up reading the reason for the comment. This one was a gem.

benjaminh

A now for something completely different—a live in the studio cover by some young musicians of the classic song California Dreaming. Heard this song on XM in my car a while ago, and then went looking for a live version and found this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlG-vN8i9Qc

explorerx4

@benjaminh,
Only saw the top part of the picture but it looked like School of Rock, and when I scrolled down, it was.
A very smooth song.
That's School of Rock Cleveland.
We haven't heard from omarman in a while, he would have pointed that out in a new york second.

explorerx4

This shows you how much modern vehicles are controlled by computers.
Some NSFKids audio, caught by mistake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brA_DFu-Abg

explorerx4

Watch some ice hockey and listen to ZZ Top, Las Vegas becomes kind of appealing.
RIP Dusty Hill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAcck19Vk4Y

driver100

cdnpinhead said:

driver100 said:

I was testing to see if you were reading my posts. Seems that you follow them pretty closely!

I didn't read it when it was posted, as usual, but when others comment I often end up reading the reason for the comment. This one was a gem.

You were the first to comment. You must read my posts when they first appear, probably watching for them every day. Maybe you should subscribe to my website? Driver101.com!

When you add as much information as I do and when you are as prolific as I am you could make a small mathematical error which is of very little importance unless you have OCD about minor errors.

My days are full, and since I have a very full active life I sometimes do minor things like division too quickly, it isn't a big deal to most people. Most people get the idea.

When GM was flying high in the 60s the president of GM told his executives, if they weren't making mistakes they were playing it too safe, not trying enough different things. To be great you will always make mistakes...I love mistakes, I learn more from mistakes than successes, it teaches you what not to do. If you are afraid of making a mistake you probably won't be successful....life seldom moves in a straight perfect line.

If finding a small mathematics mistake is that important to you....that is a much bigger problem than me making a minor mathematical error.

jmonroe1

@driver100 said:
You were the first to comment. You must read my posts when they first appear, probably watching for them every day. Maybe you should subscribe to my website? Driver101.com!

When you add as much information as I do and when you are as prolific as I am you could make a small mathematical error which is of very little importance unless you have OCD about minor errors.

My days are full, and since I have a very full active life I sometimes do minor things like division too quickly, it isn't a big deal to most people. Most people get the idea.

When GM was flying high in the 60s the president of GM told his executives, if they weren't making mistakes they were playing it too safe, not trying enough different things. To be great you will always make mistakes...I love mistakes, I learn more from mistakes than successes, it teaches you what not to do. If you are afraid of making a mistake you probably won't be successful....life seldom moves in a straight perfect line.

If finding a small mathematics mistake is that important to you....that is a much bigger problem than me making a minor mathematical error.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

jmonroe

roadburner

Play VERY Loud...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTtTdE-OEJ4

cdnpinhead

Stupid is as stupid does.

It's called attention to detail and was very important in my profession.

Not so much in others, I guess.

andres3

I have a confession to make!!!!

I may have exceeded the CA Maximum Speed Limit on the way home from work today.

bwia

benjaminh said:

A now for something completely different—a live in the studio cover by some young musicians of the classic song California Dreaming. Heard this song on XM in my car a while ago, and then went looking for a live version and found this.

Wow! A very lovely and crisp sound. Too bad, they don't make this kind of music anymore. Thanks for sharing.

benjaminh

Also heard recently on XM in the car was Adele's hit "Hello" of a few years ago. Hello has a little callback to that famous song by the Mamas and the Papas in the line, "I'm in California dreaming about who we used to be." Here's a good live version of Adele's song that she performed at the Grammy awards. The song is clearly about past relationships, but more than that she once said it's partly her talking to a younger version of herself. She had some tough times in her late teens and early 20s, and so she's talking to herself from "the other side" of that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr1Wa2lGeoM

But to show that she has a sense of humor about herself and the song, here she is doing it as a duet with fellow Brit James Corden on Carpool Karaoke....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nck6BZga7TQ

driver100

cdnpinhead said:

Stupid is as stupid does.

It's called attention to detail and was very important in my profession.

Not so much in others, I guess.

Nah, I go for the big picture...leave the details to others to work out.

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

@driver100 said:

You were the first to comment. You must read my posts when they first appear, probably watching for them every day. Maybe you should subscribe to my website? Driver101.com!

When you add as much information as I do and when you are as prolific as I am you could make a small mathematical error which is of very little importance unless you have OCD about minor errors.

My days are full, and since I have a very full active life I sometimes do minor things like division too quickly, it isn't a big deal to most people. Most people get the idea.

When GM was flying high in the 60s the president of GM told his executives, if they weren't making mistakes they were playing it too safe, not trying enough different things. To be great you will always make mistakes...I love mistakes, I learn more from mistakes than successes, it teaches you what not to do. If you are afraid of making a mistake you probably won't be successful....life seldom moves in a straight perfect line.

If finding a small mathematics mistake is that important to you....that is a much bigger problem than me making a minor mathematical error.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

jmonroe

Forgetting to record an oil change is a much bigger...more expensive mistake.
But, hopefully you learned something from it!

jmonroe1

@driver100 said:
Forgetting to record an oil change is a much bigger...more expensive mistake.
But, hopefully you learned something from it!

Very old story. If you didn’t have that as a comeback you’d be lost and you even screwed that up. So details are ALWAYS important.

jmonroe

stickguy

explorerx4 said:

This shows you how much modern vehicles are controlled by computers.
Some NSFKids audio, caught by mistake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brA_DFu-Abg

2 takeaways. First, don’t mess with the audio in modern cars. Make sure factory is good enough! And 2nd, why would you want to hang a giant boombox there to block all your rear vision?

stickguy

benjaminh said:

stickguy said:

3 fine choices. Serving different niches.

Best bet might be the truck. Gives an excuse to get a sporty toy later!

Well, if you decide to go for the Maverick, but want to save money for a sporty toy later, what about considering the base model Maverick? I mean, does it have to be all tricked out if it's your functional vehicle? And check this out, which I thought was close to amazing—Ford is right now offering 0% financing for 36 months on the new Maverick, as well as 0.9% at 48 months, and 1.9 for 60 months. But if you get the base model of the Maverick the payments might be doable for 36 months. The base model has Apple CarPlay/AA with 8 inch touch screen, air conditioning, AM/FM radio with 6 speakers, etc. For a work truck that seems good enough to me. Even taking a trip in it should be okay.

Nah. Can’t do a strippo model now. Too old for that nonsense. XLT at minimum, and want the power seats and BLIS at least. I think the XL doesn’t even offer cruise.

stickguy

But it is a screaming deal!

stickguy

sda said:

tjc78 said:

Bye bye.

Dumbest tow ever…

For something so minor, what a pain.

Well, saved you a drive to cherry hill at least. Did they drop off a loaner to you?

Sandman6472

We've been super busy moving vehicles to be rented to different offices. Seems like we've even bought some used vehicles with low mileage to put into our fleet. Yesterday, moved a 2018 Camry with just under 19K on the clock which had paperwork showing where it was purchased. Another driver had a Chevy Equonix that also had low miles on it. We still have vehicles to rent but have heard they are a it pricey but hey, supply & demand as we learned in economics.

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

@driver100 said:

Forgetting to record an oil change is a much bigger...more expensive mistake.

But, hopefully you learned something from it!

Very old story. If you didn’t have that as a comeback you’d be lost and you even screwed that up. So details are ALWAYS important.

jmonroe

Disagree. It is important to have detail people do the detail work...it is people with the big vision....the Elon Musk's, the Jeff Bezos, the Driver100s who make things happen....so the detail people can fulfil the dream.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

@driver100 said:

Forgetting to record an oil change is a much bigger...more expensive mistake.

But, hopefully you learned something from it!

Very old story. If you didn’t have that as a comeback you’d be lost and you even screwed that up. So details are ALWAYS important.

jmonroe

Disagree. It is important to have detail people do the detail work...it is people with the big vision....the Elon Musk's, the Jeff Bezos, the Driver100s who make things happen....so the detail people can fulfil the dream.

Since you aren’t a Musk or a Bezos you’ll have to do your own thinking and that includes grade school arithmetic and a few other similar high level tasks.

jmonroe

benjaminh

stickguy said:

Nah. Can’t do a strippo model now. Too old for that nonsense. XLT at minimum, and want the power seats and BLIS at least. I think the XL doesn’t even offer cruise.

Fair enough. Your car budget is healthier than mine. If I were going to try to own three vehicles I'd need to make some tough choices.




Below is a fair capsule review from Publishers Weekly of the book on Musk and Tesla that I just listened to in Audio book form....

https://www.publishersweekly.com/978-0-385-54545-7

"The hidebound auto industry collides with the spirit of Silicon Valley in journalist Higgins’s colorful debut, a history of Tesla. Higgins recounts the company’s rise from shoestring start-up to the world’s most valuable automaker through many rounds of near-bankruptcy, last-minute funding miracles, and breakthroughs in the manufacture of electric vehicles. The company was founded in 2003 by engineer Martin Eberhard and his friend Marc Tarpenning, with Elon Musk as an early investor; power shifted hands multiple times before Musk became CEO in 2008. Billionaire Musk dominates the narrative: the irrepressible industrialist set visionary goals with impossible deadlines, improvised engineering fixes, raged at underlings, set managers to “clawing at each other in front of him,” headbutted a car on a stalled assembly line, and tweeted so many overly optimistic corporate predictions that the SEC came after him. Behind the shenanigans, Higgins takes an in-depth and well-balanced look at the interplay between Musk’s swashbuckling mindset of “building the airplane as [he] was heading down the runway” and the hardheadedness of Tesla’s veteran engineers and leaders, who understood the rigors of making cars that could kill people if they malfunctioned. The result is sometimes appalling, occasionally inspiring...."

bwia

2021 Mercedes-Benz S-Class: Too Much Is Never Enough. S560 starting at $131,400
The S-Class’ cabin flatters the senses with alluring design, top-flight materials, and such niceties as massaging seats, a 1,750-watt, 30 speaker Burmester audio system and an onboard fragrancer. Many features are controlled through the vast central infotainment screen, the graphics of which are cinematically sharp. Read Forbes full review at: https://www.forbes.com/wheels/cars/mercedes-benz/s-class/

jmonroe1

bwia said:

2021 Mercedes-Benz S-Class: Too Much Is Never Enough. S560 starting at $131,400
The S-Class’ cabin flatters the senses with alluring design, top-flight materials, and such niceties as massaging seats, a 1,750-watt, 30 speaker Burmester audio system and an onboard fragrancer. Many features are controlled through the vast central infotainment screen, the graphics of which are cinematically sharp. Read Forbes full review at: https://www.forbes.com/wheels/cars/mercedes-benz/s-class/

I trust if it was all that great @abacomike wouldn't have bought his wannabe.

jmonroe

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

abacomike said:

My G90 has Continental Contiprocontact all season tires (P245/45 R19 98W front - P275/40 R19 98W rear). They are not run flats - they are premium grand touring tires. Tire Rack sell a set of 4 for close to $1300 and includes free road hazard for 2 years.

I don’t expect them to last very long but when I replace them, I expect to put Michelins on.

Do you have a spare? I was surprised when a friend told me his Volvo V60 doesn't have a spare, his tires aren't RFTs, and there isn't a donut tire. If he gets a flat I guess he is supposed to call AAA. Does this even make sense?

The BMW doesn't have run flats nor a spare so I have a tire repair kit and a small air pump just in case.

A tire repair kit when you get a flat on I-75 or somewhere!

It helps when your in the middle of nowhere and it is easily repairable, yes. Better than waiting for three hours for roadside assistance.

snakeweasel

benjaminh said:

stickguy said:

3 fine choices. Serving different niches.

Best bet might be the truck. Gives an excuse to get a sporty toy later!

Well, if you decide to go for the Maverick, but want to save money for a sporty toy later, what about considering the base model Maverick? I mean, does it have to be all tricked out if it's your functional vehicle? And check this out, which I thought was close to amazing—Ford is right now offering 0% financing for 36 months on the new Maverick, as well as 0.9% at 48 months, and 1.9 for 60 months. But if you get the base model of the Maverick the payments might be doable for 36 months. The base model has Apple CarPlay/AA with 8 inch touch screen, air conditioning, AM/FM radio with 6 speakers, etc. For a work truck that seems good enough to me. Even taking a trip in it should be okay.

My guess is Ford hit it out of the park with this truck, expect ADM's at first, then add on the mop and glow, the pinstriping and all the other overpriced worthless junk they will add on. I say good luck getting MSRP for a while after they come out.

snakeweasel

andres3 said:

I have a confession to make!!!!

I may have exceeded the CA Maximum Speed Limit on the way home from work today.

benjaminh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9JZGju0Rg8

ab348

I'm only going from that single picture so I might be deceived, but I don't like the design of the new S-Class dashboard.

oldfarmer50

bwia said:

2021 Mercedes-Benz S-Class: Too Much Is Never Enough. S560 starting at $131,400
The S-Class’ cabin flatters the senses with alluring design, top-flight materials, and such niceties as massaging seats, a 1,750-watt, 30 speaker Burmester audio system and an onboard fragrancer. Many features are controlled through the vast central infotainment screen, the graphics of which are cinematically sharp. Read Forbes full review at: https://www.forbes.com/wheels/cars/mercedes-benz/s-class/

I’ve driven pick ups that have massage seats and fancy sound systems. No fragrancers that I know of but probably a good idea if you’re hauling pigs and stuff.🤣🤣

tjc78

Ford’s new trucks have hands free self drive. Pretty cool system with cameras that force you to look at the road.

Our Volvo requires hands on the steering wheel.

No word on the S60… sitting at the dealer. I called to make sure they at least park it inside in case we get storms!

driver100

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

abacomike said:

My G90 has Continental Contiprocontact all season tires (P245/45 R19 98W front - P275/40 R19 98W rear). They are not run flats - they are premium grand touring tires. Tire Rack sell a set of 4 for close to $1300 and includes free road hazard for 2 years.

I don’t expect them to last very long but when I replace them, I expect to put Michelins on.

Do you have a spare? I was surprised when a friend told me his Volvo V60 doesn't have a spare, his tires aren't RFTs, and there isn't a donut tire. If he gets a flat I guess he is supposed to call AAA. Does this even make sense?

The BMW doesn't have run flats nor a spare so I have a tire repair kit and a small air pump just in case.

A tire repair kit when you get a flat on I-75 or somewhere!

It helps when your in the middle of nowhere and it is easily repairable, yes. Better than waiting for three hours for roadside assistance.

Not so good if it is the sidewall and the repair kit ain't going to help. Seriously, I'd rather have RFTs than a repair kit.

driver100

stickguy said:

benjaminh said:

stickguy said:

3 fine choices. Serving different niches.

Best bet might be the truck. Gives an excuse to get a sporty toy later!

Well, if you decide to go for the Maverick, but want to save money for a sporty toy later, what about considering the base model Maverick? I mean, does it have to be all tricked out if it's your functional vehicle? And check this out, which I thought was close to amazing—Ford is right now offering 0% financing for 36 months on the new Maverick, as well as 0.9% at 48 months, and 1.9 for 60 months. But if you get the base model of the Maverick the payments might be doable for 36 months. The base model has Apple CarPlay/AA with 8 inch touch screen, air conditioning, AM/FM radio with 6 speakers, etc. For a work truck that seems good enough to me. Even taking a trip in it should be okay.

Nah. Can’t do a strippo model now. Too old for that nonsense. XLT at minimum, and want the power seats and BLIS at least. I think the XL doesn’t even offer cruise.

Those cheap wheels have got to go!
Do you want to drive this:

or this:

Talk about false economizing!

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

abacomike said:

My G90 has Continental Contiprocontact all season tires (P245/45 R19 98W front - P275/40 R19 98W rear). They are not run flats - they are premium grand touring tires. Tire Rack sell a set of 4 for close to $1300 and includes free road hazard for 2 years.

I don’t expect them to last very long but when I replace them, I expect to put Michelins on.

Do you have a spare? I was surprised when a friend told me his Volvo V60 doesn't have a spare, his tires aren't RFTs, and there isn't a donut tire. If he gets a flat I guess he is supposed to call AAA. Does this even make sense?

The BMW doesn't have run flats nor a spare so I have a tire repair kit and a small air pump just in case.

A tire repair kit when you get a flat on I-75 or somewhere!

It helps when your in the middle of nowhere and it is easily repairable, yes. Better than waiting for three hours for roadside assistance.

Not so good if it is the sidewall and the repair kit ain't going to help. Seriously, I'd rather have RFTs than a repair kit.

Yeah, but how often is it in the sidewall?

fintail

SEC went after him - and did nothing, as the corrupt "justice system" only doles out meaningful punishment to the top few if they cause financial harm to other members of the top few. Part of the real golden rule. He's never faced accountability for anything. Really, I love how the standard narrative among random people on the street is that Musk founded Tesla.

benjaminh said:

stickguy said:

Nah. Can’t do a strippo model now. Too old for that nonsense. XLT at minimum, and want the power seats and BLIS at least. I think the XL doesn’t even offer cruise.

Fair enough. Your car budget is healthier than mine. If I were going to try to own three vehicles I'd need to make some tough choices.




Below is a fair capsule review from Publishers Weekly of the book on Musk and Tesla that I just listened to in Audio book form....

https://www.publishersweekly.com/978-0-385-54545-7

"The hidebound auto industry collides with the spirit of Silicon Valley in journalist Higgins’s colorful debut, a history of Tesla. Higgins recounts the company’s rise from shoestring start-up to the world’s most valuable automaker through many rounds of near-bankruptcy, last-minute funding miracles, and breakthroughs in the manufacture of electric vehicles. The company was founded in 2003 by engineer Martin Eberhard and his friend Marc Tarpenning, with Elon Musk as an early investor; power shifted hands multiple times before Musk became CEO in 2008. Billionaire Musk dominates the narrative: the irrepressible industrialist set visionary goals with impossible deadlines, improvised engineering fixes, raged at underlings, set managers to “clawing at each other in front of him,” headbutted a car on a stalled assembly line, and tweeted so many overly optimistic corporate predictions that the SEC came after him. Behind the shenanigans, Higgins takes an in-depth and well-balanced look at the interplay between Musk’s swashbuckling mindset of “building the airplane as [he] was heading down the runway” and the hardheadedness of Tesla’s veteran engineers and leaders, who understood the rigors of making cars that could kill people if they malfunctioned. The result is sometimes appalling, occasionally inspiring...."

jmonroe1

snakeweasel said:

benjaminh said:

stickguy said:

3 fine choices. Serving different niches.

Best bet might be the truck. Gives an excuse to get a sporty toy later!

Well, if you decide to go for the Maverick, but want to save money for a sporty toy later, what about considering the base model Maverick? I mean, does it have to be all tricked out if it's your functional vehicle? And check this out, which I thought was close to amazing—Ford is right now offering 0% financing for 36 months on the new Maverick, as well as 0.9% at 48 months, and 1.9 for 60 months. But if you get the base model of the Maverick the payments might be doable for 36 months. The base model has Apple CarPlay/AA with 8 inch touch screen, air conditioning, AM/FM radio with 6 speakers, etc. For a work truck that seems good enough to me. Even taking a trip in it should be okay.

My guess is Ford hit it out of the park with this truck, expect ADM's at first, then add on the mop and glow, the pinstriping and all the other overpriced worthless junk they will add on. I say good luck getting MSRP for a while after they come out.

If what I’ve read over in the CCBA forum is correct, you order the Maverick on Fords web site and have it shipped to the dealership of your choice. So you will get it for MSRP plus the applicable taxes, shipping, doc fee and stuff like that but no ADM junk.

Welcome to the new millennium of car buying.

jmonroe