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abacomike

@driver100:

Nope!  That would be throwing away money.  The ordering guides will be available to my dealer in January for production runs of the 2017 E Class which is due to be unveiled in mid to late April of 2016.  There will be new color exteriors and new interiors.

I am seriously considering White exterior with a Red, Maroon or Saddle interior leather.  I don't know which E Model yet because they have not yet been disclosed.  That inline 6 cylinder engine sounds interesting depending on the delivered horsepower - must be 320+ or I will have to opt for the E 400 again but with the 350+ horsepower revision.

They are going to have them on display at the November/December auto show so I'll know more in 4-5 months.

driver100

abacomike said:

@driver100:

Nope!  That would be throwing away money.  The ordering guides will be available to my dealer in January for production runs of the 2017 E Class which is due to be unveiled in mid to late April of 2016.  There will be new color exteriors and new interiors.

I am seriously considering White exterior with a Red, Maroon or Saddle interior leather.  I don't know which E Model yet because they have not yet been disclosed.  That inline 6 cylinder engine sounds interesting depending on the delivered horsepower - must be 320+ or I will have to opt for the E 400 again but with the 350+ horsepower revision.

They are going to have them on display at the November/December auto show so I'll know more in 4-5 months.

I didn't realize it would be out so soon. I wonder if they will have a hard time selling 2016s - which they don't seem to be promoting...guess they are really the same as a 2015.

The white with maroon, red or saddle interior sounds really nice...I think I would look into that next time too.

I think the big styling change will be the rear end which will look more like an S Class or new C Class. Personally, I like the older styling better....but, I'll probably get used to it I guess.

imidazol97

driver100 said:

I think the big styling change will be the rear end which will look more like an S Class or new C Class. Personally, I like the older styling better....but, I'll probably get used to it I guess.

There's a similarity to this Hyundai.

bwia

Back to the future. Ha, Ha!

ab348

That's cold, man...

carnaught

There's a similarity to this Hyundai.

Ummm....nah.....

driver100

ab348 said:

That's cold, man...

I am sure imid was joking.....I hope

Well, I guess they both have 2 tailights and a license plate in the middle.

But, actually both designs and many others used today seem to be copies of the ridiculed Bangle Butt design.



I didn't like this design on the 2003 5 Series, but today I think it looks pretty nice. It seems to me a lot of cars have copied that look to some degree, by having a raised trunk and lower rear fenders and rear lights.....just like the 2017 E Class.

stever

@imidazol97 is a true hipster.



Of course, pretty much all sedans look alike to me.

stickguy

Hopefully the 2017 E class makes the 2015/2016 seem like an antique. Because they are on my list of possible options in 2 years when my lease runs out (getting an E400 or E350 CPO or slightly used!).

abacomike

ab348 said:

That's cold, man...

VERY COLD!!! Brrrrrrrrrr.   

driver100

stever said:

@imidazol97 is a true hipster.



Of course, pretty much all sedans look alike to me.

That is a clever saying. Most designs are a rework of something that has been done before. If it is too radical, people won't like it anyway.

stever

Nothing new under the sun. The last radical concept to see fruition to me was the flat floored, FWD minivan.

fezo

"Congratulations, Mrs. Fezo. It's an appendix!"

Well, it will be as soon as it's out. She'd been a little out of kilter for a couple of days, felt noticeably bad last night but we were still scheduled to go into NYC this morning and overnight for my follow up tomorrow.

This morning she was probably in more pain than when she had our second daughter. Off to the ER. Cat scan says appendicitis and so did the doc with the tell when it hurts test.

Been hanging I the hospital all day. Just waiting fortune to finish. She'll stay a night or two.

roadburner

Glad it wasn't worse than it actually was.

driver100

fezo said:

"Congratulations, Mrs. Fezo. It's an appendix!"

Well, it will be as soon as it's out. She'd been a little out of kilter for a couple of days, felt noticeably bad last night but we were still scheduled to go into NYC this morning and overnight for my follow up tomorrow.

This morning she was probably in more pain than when she had our second daughter. Off to the ER. Cat scan says appendicitis and so did the doc with the tell when it hurts test.

Been hanging I the hospital all day. Just waiting fortune to finish. She'll stay a night or two.

Yeh, appendix is actually pretty good news, considering..........

Hope it all goes well from here.

graphicguy

Fezo.....Appendix....is relatively good news. Hope she recovers quickly.

imidazol97

driver100 said:

Of course, pretty much all sedans look alike to me.

That is a clever saying. Most designs are a rework of something that has been done before. If it is too radical, people won't like it anyway.



More from Michael Schlee's tweets. I'll just link to them since I don't know how to
copy them and make them look like a tweet (or is that a twitter)?

https://twitter.com/mikeschlee/status/583587919476162560

Michael Schlee ‏@Mikeschlee Apr 2

@Patrick_D1 look, just because every Hyundai, Ford and Subaru grille looks the same....
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Jamie Dewhurst ‏@dewey93 Apr 2

@Mikeschlee except for Audi, BMW, and MB....they all get a pass for some reason?
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Michael Schlee ‏@Mikeschlee Apr 2

@dewey93 Good point. Probably because all their cars look like their cars already. Oh no, did I just go whole hipster?

stickguy

well, how about Lexus? they are copying no one, since no other maker has ever made a front end so hideous. And yes, that includes the '59 Plymouth, and any other car of that vintage.

abacomike

@fezo:

I pray your wife comes through everything successfully and that she recovers quickly.

driver100

stickguy said:

well, how about Lexus? they are copying no one, since no other maker has ever made a front end so hideous. And yes, that includes the '59 Plymouth, and any other car of that vintage.

Come to think of it....the new Lexus resembles a 61 Plymouth:




Everything old is new again!

berri

At least the Plymouth was a popular priced car, not a high dollar luxury make!

stickguy

well, I'll be darned. that is pretty close.

fezo

Just quick. I've been pretty much in the hospital for 14 hours with a brief break (which is more than she got) and am shot and have to head to the city early.

It was a perforated appendix which made it a closer call to disaster but all went well. She's out of it and looking pale but a lot of that is coming off anesthesia. Other than maybe an extra day in the hospital and more antibiotics than a standard appendectomy all is well.

Yesterday, while I was a couple hours away at a gig she's painting the living room with appendicitis. That's how she is. She said my daughters did most of the work because she kept tiring. There's a surprise.

Daughter #2 is here for a few days to help cover. With any luck before she leaves I can hand the 04 Camry off to her.

I'll be out of touch a bit but all is well.

berri

Geez Fezo - when it rains, it pours for you guys. Hang in there buddy!

ab348

A remarkable resemblance. Exner was ahead of his time yet again!

carnaught

Fezo, she sounds like a tough stoic lady. Thankfully, she be just fine.

berri

A remarkable resemblance. Exner was ahead of his time yet again!

Don't know about Lexus, but isn't Lincoln moving back to pushbutton transmission selectors these days?

driver100

stickguy said:

well, I'll be darned. that is pretty close.

Yeh, Chrysler should sue for plagarism!

driver100

berri said:

A remarkable resemblance. Exner was ahead of his time yet again!

Don't know about Lexus, but isn't Lincoln moving back to pushbutton transmission selectors these days?

Plymouth had pushbutton transmissions around 1958....I know, I had one. Great if you're on ice, just keep pushing Drive then Reverse.......and probably ruin your transmission but it was fun pressing those buttons.

And Edsel had push buttons built into the hub of the steering wheel.....maybe leading the way to having buttons on the steering wheel.

But the new Lincoln does have push buttons too...............another old idea brought back as new! The buttons are to the left.

driver100

fezo said:

Just quick. I've been pretty much in the hospital for 14 hours with a brief break (which is more than she got) and am shot and have to head to the city early.

It was a perforated appendix which made it a closer call to disaster but all went well. She's out of it and looking pale but a lot of that is coming off anesthesia. Other than maybe an extra day in the hospital and more antibiotics than a standard appendectomy all is well.

I'll be out of touch a bit but all is well.

Fezo, never a dull moment for you......hang in there, hope all goes well..

bwia

fezo said:

Just quick. I've been pretty much in the hospital for 14 hours with a brief break (which is more than she got) and am shot and have to head to the city early.

It was a perforated appendix which made it a closer call to disaster but all went well. She's out of it and looking pale but a lot of that is coming off anesthesia. Other than maybe an extra day in the hospital and more antibiotics than a standard appendectomy all is well.

Speedy recovery and well wishes to your wife. I had one of these four years ago and the pain leading up to the operation was excruciating.

imidazol97

driver100 said:

But the new Lincoln does have push buttons too...............another old idea brought back as new! The buttons are to the left.

That's bad placemen for transmission selector buttons. A passenger missing the mark on the screen to press "AM" could end up pressing "N" or "R" at 70 mph? Or 15 mph?

robr2

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

But the new Lincoln does have push buttons too...............another old idea brought back as new! The buttons are to the left.

That's bad placemen for transmission selector buttons. A passenger missing the mark on the screen to press "AM" could end up pressing "N" or "R" at 70 mph? Or 15 mph?

My understanding is that hitting the P or R buttons at speed will result in the vehicle going into neutral. Hitting N at speed won't hurt the car - it's just like shifting from D to N on normal shifter at speed.

Mr_Shiftright

That's just bad ergonomics IMO.

nyccarguy

@fezo - I

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

But the new Lincoln does have push buttons too...............another old idea brought back as new! The buttons are to the left.

That's bad placemen for transmission selector buttons. A passenger missing the mark on the screen to press "AM" could end up pressing "N" or "R" at 70 mph? Or 15 mph?

Passengers aren't supposed to touch the radio

stickguy

Tell my wife that Bradd.

houdini1

stickguy said:

well, how about Lexus? they are copying no one, since no other maker has ever made a front end so hideous. And yes, that includes the '59 Plymouth, and any other car of that vintage.

Agreed. I have driven only Lexus's for the past several years, but I am sick of that grill.... and in 2016 it looks like they are even doubling down on the grill. They just might lose me on my next car. Someone who knows how to post pics should post a pic of the proposed 2016 ES. Awful !!

abacomike

houdini1 said:

well, how about Lexus? they are copying no one, since no other maker has ever made a front end so hideous. And yes, that includes the '59 Plymouth, and any other car of that vintage.

Agreed. I have driven only Lexus's for the past several years, but I am sick of that grill.... and in 2016 it looks like they are even doubling down on the grill. They just might lose me on my next car. Someone who knows how to post pics should post a pic of the proposed 2016 ES. Awful !!

I agree with your assessment of that Lexus grille.  I can see it on their sporty sedans and coupes (IS 250/350 and the GS 350). But then they extended it to the LS 460 and the ES 350 as well as the SUV's.  I think the LS 460 should have a sophisticated looking grille - not a "dragon mouth" for a grille.

But, Mercedes has done similar grille look-alikes - but the S Class still has the 4-5 slatted horizontal grille.  The GLA, the C and the E all have similar grilles.  But at least it's a bit tamer and more sophisticated than the Lexus grille.

stever

"Striking Design with Refinement" (Lexus)

houdini1

stever said:

"Striking Design with Refinement" (Lexus)

stever said:

"Striking Design with Refinement" (Lexus)

In addition to looking like crap, the front end has all sorts of angles and pointy ends sticking out. Just a terrible design.

isellhondas

Even the color is ugly on that Lexus!

houdini1

isellhondas said:

Even the color is ugly on that Lexus!

Here is a good pic, if this works.

stickguy

Rest of the car looks nice to me. But that is a nasty beak.

driver100

houdini1 said:

stever said:

"Striking Design with Refinement" (Lexus)

stever said:

"Striking Design with Refinement" (Lexus)

In addition to looking like crap, the front end has all sorts of angles and pointy ends sticking out. Just a terrible design.

Yeh, they could have taken out the lower half of the grill and made it smoother without all the extra chrome at odd angles like you mentioned. In a way, white is worse because then the grill really contrasts and stands out even more. How could they do that?

You would think they would learn when Acura lost customers with their awkward grills:

2008 looked fine...wouldn't offend anyone:


Then they really uglied it up in 2011:


Then tried to make a recovery, but not as good as original

houdini1

I don't think the soccer moms will like the grill on the 2016 RX either.

abacomike

houdini1 said:

I don't think the soccer moms will like the grill on the 2016 RX either.

That is one ugly looking front end of a vehicle. Definitely overdone, in my opinion. The grille looks like the mouth of some hungry and ugly looking dude that I would not want to meet on a dark street one night. I can't believe that a majority of the people who saw that grille would say they liked it!!! The front end looks like the car hit a chrome fence head on as it bent in the middle.

imidazol97

driver100 said:

Then they really uglied it up in 2011:

This looks like the upper beak on a parakeet I had when I was a kid.

berri

When I see that big Lexus grill, like on the blue RX you posted, I'm thinking where's the fireman's hands shoveling coal into the old steam locomotive? Now the back of that Acura still looks like someone stuck a shovel up it's butt.

houdini1

It does look like the "cowcatcher" on those old locomotives.

imidazol97

berri said:

When I see that big Lexus grill, like on the blue RX you posted, I'm thinking where's the fireman's hands shoveling coal into the old steam locomotive? Now the back of that Acura still looks like someone stuck a shovel up it's butt.