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laurasdada

Happy fourth, folks.
Short trip to New Hampshire to see Tedeschi Trucks band (with Los Lobos) at Meadowbrook. She can sang, he can play. Man, can he play.
A7 was fabulous, it just eats miles effortlessly. AC worked fine, knock wood... But, no convenient place to plug in; there were, of course stations, but not at the hotel, nor the concert arena. Only about a three hundred miles round trip but in a BEV, would have had to stop somewhere to juice. MPG was 40+.
BJs gas $5.38 on way up, Costco $5.28 on way back, PUG>

sda

As the fireworks are going off, Calli has the right idea. I hope everyone had a nice 4th.

stickguy

my kind of dog. My last lab was not bothered by anything. He could go to the fireworks show and be fine. didn't pay attention in the house (but those were never that close).

I remember once a bad T storm moved through. A lightning bolt hit very close (lit up the room) and the thunder clap was so strong it woke us up and almost shook us out of bed. rocked the house. I looked down and the dog was just snoring away on his dog bed. Never even woke up.

driver100

I hope you all had a Good July 4th Holiday.
We got back from London and Wimbledon last Wednesday. We didn't feel great Friday and went to a Covid Clinic on Saturday, both of us tested positive. Mine isn't too bad but we are supposed to quarantine for 10 days. I may go back to the clinic after 5 days because I am feeling about 92% OK, a bit of a stuffy nose and slightly tired. MrsD100 is at about 55%, very tired and not much appetite.
We were very careful on our trip. I really think we got it on the plane on the return trip, the 2 guys directly behind us had really bad coughs. You have to wear masks on Canadian flights, and at the airport. I had 2 KN95s on when I heard those guys coughing. We got prescriptions for Paxlovid so it won't get too bad. It's more for MrsD100 as she because if she gets worse that could mean "the hospital", though she is getting a little better each day.
If we didn't report it and get tested we'd be walking around spreading it to friends, relatives, in stores etc. You have to quarantine for 5 days after being tested positive, and 10 days after an international flight....which makes no sense. They do random testing and if they find you leave your home you could get a $5000 fine.
Oh well, at least we will have some protection from this strain. It's like a cold now, you get it, you are down for a few days, and hopefully, if you are fairly healthy life goes on..........

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

I hope you all had a Good July 4th Holiday.
We got back from London and Wimbledon last Wednesday. We didn't feel great Friday and went to a Covid Clinic on Saturday, both of us tested positive. Mine isn't too bad but we are supposed to quarantine for 10 days. I may go back to the clinic after 5 days because I am feeling about 92% OK, a bit of a stuffy nose and slightly tired. MrsD100 is at about 55%, very tired and not much appetite.
We were very careful on our trip. I really think we got it on the plane on the return trip, the 2 guys directly behind us had really bad coughs. You have to wear masks on Canadian flights, and at the airport. I had 2 KN95s on when I heard those guys coughing. We got prescriptions for Paxlovid so it won't get too bad. It's more for MrsD100 as she because if she gets worse that could mean "the hospital", though she is getting a little better each day.
If we didn't report it and get tested we'd be walking around spreading it to friends, relatives, in stores etc. You have to quarantine for 5 days after being tested positive, and 10 days after an international flight....which makes no sense. They do random testing and if they find you leave your home you could get a $5000 fine.
Oh well, at least we will have some protection from this strain. It's like a cold now, you get it, you are down for a few days, and hopefully, if you are fairly healthy life goes on..........

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That doesn’t sound good at all. Glad to hear you and @Mrs. Driver are feeling somewhat better.

Maybe you should lay off the keyboard so you don’t pass it around in here.

jmonroe

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

I hope you all had a Good July 4th Holiday.
We got back from London and Wimbledon last Wednesday. We didn't feel great Friday and went to a Covid Clinic on Saturday, both of us tested positive. Mine isn't too bad but we are supposed to quarantine for 10 days. I may go back to the clinic after 5 days because I am feeling about 92% OK, a bit of a stuffy nose and slightly tired. MrsD100 is at about 55%, very tired and not much appetite.
We were very careful on our trip. I really think we got it on the plane on the return trip, the 2 guys directly behind us had really bad coughs. You have to wear masks on Canadian flights, and at the airport. I had 2 KN95s on when I heard those guys coughing. We got prescriptions for Paxlovid so it won't get too bad. It's more for MrsD100 as she because if she gets worse that could mean "the hospital", though she is getting a little better each day.
If we didn't report it and get tested we'd be walking around spreading it to friends, relatives, in stores etc. You have to quarantine for 5 days after being tested positive, and 10 days after an international flight....which makes no sense. They do random testing and if they find you leave your home you could get a $5000 fine.
Oh well, at least we will have some protection from this strain. It's like a cold now, you get it, you are down for a few days, and hopefully, if you are fairly healthy life goes on..........

———————————————
That doesn’t sound good at all. Glad to hear you and @Mrs. Driver are feeling somewhat better.

Maybe you should lay off the keyboard so you don’t pass it around in here.

jmonroe

I am double masked with KN95s and stand 2 yards (in Canada 2 meters) away from my computer.

ab348

Best wishes to you @driver100 and Mrs Driver. Locally they announced removal of all restrictions beginning tomorrow and I have already noticed most stores have done away with the plexi panels that used to provide some separation from staff and customers. Also a lot of store staff are no longer masking themselves either. With my health issues I remain very cautious and still mask up when I enter a store, and go to them very infrequently. I can imagine air travel is highly likely to be a source - after all, that was how it got here in the first place.

graphicguy

laurasdada said:

Happy fourth, folks.
Short trip to New Hampshire to see Tedeschi Trucks band (with Los Lobos) at Meadowbrook. She can sang, he can play. Man, can he play.
A7 was fabulous, it just eats miles effortlessly. AC worked fine, knock wood... But, no convenient place to plug in; there were, of course stations, but not at the hotel, nor the concert arena. Only about a three hundred miles round trip but in a BEV, would have had to stop somewhere to juice. MPG was 40+.
BJs gas $5.38 on way up, Costco $5.28 on way back, PUG>

Oooooohhhh….that sounds like a great concert line-up. I’m a huge TT fan!

graphicguy

@driver100 …..sorry to hear of your malady. Glad to hear you and the Mrs are on the upswing!

driver100

@ab348
We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu.
It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.

btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.

henryn

driver100 said:

@ab348
We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu.
It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.

btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.

I can understand and agree with most of that, but not taking the dog for a walk --- that seems a bit excessive to me. Having someone come over to walk your dog would be worse in my mind than a short stroll down the block, wearing a mask and avoiding people.

laurasdada

graphicguy said:

laurasdada said:

Happy fourth, folks.
Short trip to New Hampshire to see Tedeschi Trucks band (with Los Lobos) at Meadowbrook. She can sang, he can play. Man, can he play.
A7 was fabulous, it just eats miles effortlessly. AC worked fine, knock wood... But, no convenient place to plug in; there were, of course stations, but not at the hotel, nor the concert arena. Only about a three hundred miles round trip but in a BEV, would have had to stop somewhere to juice. MPG was 40+.
BJs gas $5.38 on way up, Costco $5.28 on way back, PUG>

Oooooohhhh….that sounds like a great concert line-up. I’m a huge TT fan!

TTB: 12 wicked talented musicians. Highlight was the instrumental "Pasaquan," DT and the twin drummers ripped the stage apart. A bit of a disappointment was the cover of "Why Does Love Got to be so Sad?" Not that it was in anyway poor, but the original was just played with so much anguish, violence and likely drug fueled rage! The TTB version this night was just a bit too polished.

Los Lobos were slick and fun, too. A few covers, including "Sail on, Sailor."
First act, singer songwriter Gabe Dixon, talented keyboardist. Played with TTB.

imidazol97

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

I hope you all had a Good July 4th Holiday.
We got back from London and Wimbledon last Wednesday. We didn't feel great Friday and went to a Covid Clinic on Saturday, both of us tested positive. Mine isn't too bad but we are supposed to quarantine for 10 days. I may go back to the clinic after 5 days because I am feeling about 92% OK, a bit of a stuffy nose and slightly tired. MrsD100 is at about 55%, very tired and not much appetite.
We were very careful on our trip. I really think we got it on the plane on the return trip, the 2 guys directly behind us had really bad coughs. You have to wear masks on Canadian flights, and at the airport. I had 2 KN95s on when I heard those guys coughing. We got prescriptions for Paxlovid so it won't get too bad. It's more for MrsD100 as she because if she gets worse that could mean "the hospital", though she is getting a little better each day.
If we didn't report it and get tested we'd be walking around spreading it to friends, relatives, in stores etc. You have to quarantine for 5 days after being tested positive, and 10 days after an international flight....which makes no sense. They do random testing and if they find you leave your home you could get a $5000 fine.
Oh well, at least we will have some protection from this strain. It's like a cold now, you get it, you are down for a few days, and hopefully, if you are fairly healthy life goes on..........

———————————————
That doesn’t sound good at all. Glad to hear you and @Mrs. Driver are feeling somewhat better.

Maybe you should lay off the keyboard so you don’t pass it around in here.

jmonroe

Doesn't make sense to stay away from keyboard. I have my mask on while on the forum, so that covers it.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

I hope you all had a Good July 4th Holiday.
We got back from London and Wimbledon last Wednesday. We didn't feel great Friday and went to a Covid Clinic on Saturday, both of us tested positive. Mine isn't too bad but we are supposed to quarantine for 10 days. I may go back to the clinic after 5 days because I am feeling about 92% OK, a bit of a stuffy nose and slightly tired. MrsD100 is at about 55%, very tired and not much appetite.
We were very careful on our trip. I really think we got it on the plane on the return trip, the 2 guys directly behind us had really bad coughs. You have to wear masks on Canadian flights, and at the airport. I had 2 KN95s on when I heard those guys coughing. We got prescriptions for Paxlovid so it won't get too bad. It's more for MrsD100 as she because if she gets worse that could mean "the hospital", though she is getting a little better each day.
If we didn't report it and get tested we'd be walking around spreading it to friends, relatives, in stores etc. You have to quarantine for 5 days after being tested positive, and 10 days after an international flight....which makes no sense. They do random testing and if they find you leave your home you could get a $5000 fine.
Oh well, at least we will have some protection from this strain. It's like a cold now, you get it, you are down for a few days, and hopefully, if you are fairly healthy life goes on..........

Get better soon.

Didn’t you get all 21 boosters? How could you have caught it? Maybe they should have tested the coughers on the plane. What’s the point of all those precautions if they let obviously sick people spew germs around?

Personally, I gave up on the vaccine when I started to read some journal articles about waning protection and unusual blood clots. Two guys at work almost died from blood clot related problems after boosters. Anecdotal evidence to be sure but it makes you think. Besides, I think I had covid in July 2020 before tests or vaccines were widely available. My wife and I got the Moderna the following spring but that was it.

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

Best wishes to you @driver100 and Mrs Driver. Locally they announced removal of all restrictions beginning tomorrow and I have already noticed most stores have done away with the plexi panels that used to provide some separation from staff and customers. Also a lot of store staff are no longer masking themselves either. With my health issues I remain very cautious and still mask up when I enter a store, and go to them very infrequently. I can imagine air travel is highly likely to be a source - after all, that was how it got here in the first place.

Around here they dropped the masks months ago but I still see some workers wearing them and the plexiglass shields are only partially gone.

Funny how younger people have fully invested in masks. Yesterday I was driving down my road and spotted a young guy (maybe 25) walking down the road, all by himself, with a bandana pulled up to his eyes. I began speculating on if he might be planning a home invasion or maybe lived with his sick grandma.

I’ve developed a fatalistic attitude at this point since I jump in and out of dirty cars all day and the only time I even think I got covid was when I was sitting home on layoff.

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

I hope you all had a Good July 4th Holiday.
We got back from London and Wimbledon last Wednesday. We didn't feel great Friday and went to a Covid Clinic on Saturday, both of us tested positive. Mine isn't too bad but we are supposed to quarantine for 10 days. I may go back to the clinic after 5 days because I am feeling about 92% OK, a bit of a stuffy nose and slightly tired. MrsD100 is at about 55%, very tired and not much appetite.
We were very careful on our trip. I really think we got it on the plane on the return trip, the 2 guys directly behind us had really bad coughs. You have to wear masks on Canadian flights, and at the airport. I had 2 KN95s on when I heard those guys coughing. We got prescriptions for Paxlovid so it won't get too bad. It's more for MrsD100 as she because if she gets worse that could mean "the hospital", though she is getting a little better each day.
If we didn't report it and get tested we'd be walking around spreading it to friends, relatives, in stores etc. You have to quarantine for 5 days after being tested positive, and 10 days after an international flight....which makes no sense. They do random testing and if they find you leave your home you could get a $5000 fine.
Oh well, at least we will have some protection from this strain. It's like a cold now, you get it, you are down for a few days, and hopefully, if you are fairly healthy life goes on..........

———————————————
That doesn’t sound good at all. Glad to hear you and @Mrs. Driver are feeling somewhat better.

Maybe you should lay off the keyboard so you don’t pass it around in here.

jmonroe

Doesn't make sense to stay away from keyboard. I have my mask on while on the forum, so that covers it.

Sure but now you have to worry about monkey pox.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

I hope you all had a Good July 4th Holiday.
We got back from London and Wimbledon last Wednesday. We didn't feel great Friday and went to a Covid Clinic on Saturday, both of us tested positive. Mine isn't too bad but we are supposed to quarantine for 10 days. I may go back to the clinic after 5 days because I am feeling about 92% OK, a bit of a stuffy nose and slightly tired. MrsD100 is at about 55%, very tired and not much appetite.
We were very careful on our trip. I really think we got it on the plane on the return trip, the 2 guys directly behind us had really bad coughs. You have to wear masks on Canadian flights, and at the airport. I had 2 KN95s on when I heard those guys coughing. We got prescriptions for Paxlovid so it won't get too bad. It's more for MrsD100 as she because if she gets worse that could mean "the hospital", though she is getting a little better each day.
If we didn't report it and get tested we'd be walking around spreading it to friends, relatives, in stores etc. You have to quarantine for 5 days after being tested positive, and 10 days after an international flight....which makes no sense. They do random testing and if they find you leave your home you could get a $5000 fine.
Oh well, at least we will have some protection from this strain. It's like a cold now, you get it, you are down for a few days, and hopefully, if you are fairly healthy life goes on..........

———————————————
That doesn’t sound good at all. Glad to hear you and @Mrs. Driver are feeling somewhat better.

Maybe you should lay off the keyboard so you don’t pass it around in here.

jmonroe

I am double masked with KN95s and stand 2 yards (in Canada 2 meters) away from my computer.

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That is quite a reach you’re asking us to believe.

jmonroe

snakeweasel

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

I hope you all had a Good July 4th Holiday.
We got back from London and Wimbledon last Wednesday. We didn't feel great Friday and went to a Covid Clinic on Saturday, both of us tested positive. Mine isn't too bad but we are supposed to quarantine for 10 days. I may go back to the clinic after 5 days because I am feeling about 92% OK, a bit of a stuffy nose and slightly tired. MrsD100 is at about 55%, very tired and not much appetite.
We were very careful on our trip. I really think we got it on the plane on the return trip, the 2 guys directly behind us had really bad coughs. You have to wear masks on Canadian flights, and at the airport. I had 2 KN95s on when I heard those guys coughing. We got prescriptions for Paxlovid so it won't get too bad. It's more for MrsD100 as she because if she gets worse that could mean "the hospital", though she is getting a little better each day.
If we didn't report it and get tested we'd be walking around spreading it to friends, relatives, in stores etc. You have to quarantine for 5 days after being tested positive, and 10 days after an international flight....which makes no sense. They do random testing and if they find you leave your home you could get a $5000 fine.
Oh well, at least we will have some protection from this strain. It's like a cold now, you get it, you are down for a few days, and hopefully, if you are fairly healthy life goes on..........

———————————————
That doesn’t sound good at all. Glad to hear you and @Mrs. Driver are feeling somewhat better.

Maybe you should lay off the keyboard so you don’t pass it around in here.

jmonroe

I am double masked with KN95s and stand 2 yards (in Canada 2 meters) away from my computer.

————————————————
That is quite a reach you’re asking us to believe.

jmonroe

Not as much as he is asking us to believe as 2 yards are only 1.83 meters.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

@ab348
We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu.
It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.

btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.

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Hmm, I just learned that Canada is a police state.

jmonroe

driver100

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

I hope you all had a Good July 4th Holiday.
We got back from London and Wimbledon last Wednesday. We didn't feel great Friday and went to a Covid Clinic on Saturday, both of us tested positive. Mine isn't too bad but we are supposed to quarantine for 10 days. I may go back to the clinic after 5 days because I am feeling about 92% OK, a bit of a stuffy nose and slightly tired. MrsD100 is at about 55%, very tired and not much appetite.
We were very careful on our trip. I really think we got it on the plane on the return trip, the 2 guys directly behind us had really bad coughs. You have to wear masks on Canadian flights, and at the airport. I had 2 KN95s on when I heard those guys coughing. We got prescriptions for Paxlovid so it won't get too bad. It's more for MrsD100 as she because if she gets worse that could mean "the hospital", though she is getting a little better each day.
If we didn't report it and get tested we'd be walking around spreading it to friends, relatives, in stores etc. You have to quarantine for 5 days after being tested positive, and 10 days after an international flight....which makes no sense. They do random testing and if they find you leave your home you could get a $5000 fine.
Oh well, at least we will have some protection from this strain. It's like a cold now, you get it, you are down for a few days, and hopefully, if you are fairly healthy life goes on..........

———————————————
That doesn’t sound good at all. Glad to hear you and @Mrs. Driver are feeling somewhat better.

Maybe you should lay off the keyboard so you don’t pass it around in here.

jmonroe

I am double masked with KN95s and stand 2 yards (in Canada 2 meters) away from my computer.

————————————————
That is quite a reach you’re asking us to believe.

jmonroe

Not as much as he is asking us to believe as 2 yards are only 1.83 meters.

In the U.S. you were supposed to stay 2 yards apart, in Canada 2 meters apart, I guess we can be a bit closer.

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

@ab348
We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu.
It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.

btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.

————————————————-
Hmm, I just learned that Canada is a police state.

jmonroe

I am 75 so I should be extra careful regarding covid. I think our rules were a little stronger than they had to be but our caution actually did work in our favor. It paid off if you go by the numbers, remember Canada has 1/10th of the population of the U.S.
Number of covid deaths in the U.S. 1.02 million
Number of covid deaths in Canada 42000 (that is less than half what it would have been)
*As far as people dying from the vaccine, at most 14000 in the world died from getting vaccinated.
The number who died from covid is 6.34 million.

Today's new variants aren't as strong so they just disable you for awhile. Covid had adapted to some degree, if a virus kills it's host it can't survive forever. So it changes so it only makes the host ill, and if things stay like this that will hopefully happen. But saying the vaccine is going to kill you is an excuse for people who are afraid of vaccines or modern medicine!

Florida where there were no rules is interesting to compare....deaths.
Population of Florida 22 million, 75000 deaths
Population of Ontario Canada 15 million, number of deaths 15000.

Until recently people had to have a test within 72 hours of flying....that just ended about a month ago. It was a pain but that probably would have saved us.

imidazol97

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

@ab348
We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu.
It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.

btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.

————————————————-
Hmm, I just learned that Canada is a police state.

jmonroe

I am 75 so I should be extra careful regarding covid. I think our rules were a little stronger than they had to be but our caution actually did work in our favor. It paid off if you go by the numbers, remember Canada has 1/10th of the population of the U.S.
Number of covid deaths in the U.S. 1.02 million
Number of covid deaths in Canada 42000 (that is less than half what it would have been)
*As far as people dying from the vaccine, at most 14000 in the world died from getting vaccinated.
The number who died from covid is 6.34 million.

Today's new variants aren't as strong so they just disable you for awhile. Covid had adapted to some degree, if a virus kills it's host it can't survive forever. So it changes so it only makes the host ill, and if things stay like this that will hopefully happen. But saying the vaccine is going to kill you is an excuse for people who are afraid of vaccines or modern medicine!

Florida where there were no rules is interesting to compare....deaths.
Population of Florida 22 million, 75000 deaths
Population of Ontario Canada 15 million, number of deaths 15000.

Until recently people had to have a test within 72 hours of flying....that just ended about a month ago. It was a pain but that probably would have saved us.

Comparing reported deaths per population unit doesn't work because the types of cases assigned as covid deaths differs from Canada to US.

Also Florida has a higher percentage of older people, who are more susceptible to complications from the flu and colds, thus skewing the numbers.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

I hope you all had a Good July 4th Holiday.
We got back from London and Wimbledon last Wednesday. We didn't feel great Friday and went to a Covid Clinic on Saturday, both of us tested positive. Mine isn't too bad but we are supposed to quarantine for 10 days. I may go back to the clinic after 5 days because I am feeling about 92% OK, a bit of a stuffy nose and slightly tired. MrsD100 is at about 55%, very tired and not much appetite.
We were very careful on our trip. I really think we got it on the plane on the return trip, the 2 guys directly behind us had really bad coughs. You have to wear masks on Canadian flights, and at the airport. I had 2 KN95s on when I heard those guys coughing. We got prescriptions for Paxlovid so it won't get too bad. It's more for MrsD100 as she because if she gets worse that could mean "the hospital", though she is getting a little better each day.
If we didn't report it and get tested we'd be walking around spreading it to friends, relatives, in stores etc. You have to quarantine for 5 days after being tested positive, and 10 days after an international flight....which makes no sense. They do random testing and if they find you leave your home you could get a $5000 fine.
Oh well, at least we will have some protection from this strain. It's like a cold now, you get it, you are down for a few days, and hopefully, if you are fairly healthy life goes on..........

———————————————
That doesn’t sound good at all. Glad to hear you and @Mrs. Driver are feeling somewhat better.

Maybe you should lay off the keyboard so you don’t pass it around in here.

jmonroe

I am double masked with KN95s and stand 2 yards (in Canada 2 meters) away from my computer.

————————————————
That is quite a reach you’re asking us to believe.

jmonroe

Not as much as he is asking us to believe as 2 yards are only 1.83 meters.

In the U.S. you were supposed to stay 2 yards apart, in Canada 2 meters apart, I guess we can be a bit closer.

But a meter (or are Canadians bad spellers and spell it "Metre"?) is longer than a yard so in Canada you have to be further apart but with a much smaller population density you can do that.

imidazol97

oldfarmer50 said:

imidazol97 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

I hope you all had a Good July 4th Holiday.
We got back from London and Wimbledon last Wednesday. We didn't feel great Friday and went to a Covid Clinic on Saturday, both of us tested positive. Mine isn't too bad but we are supposed to quarantine for 10 days. I may go back to the clinic after 5 days because I am feeling about 92% OK, a bit of a stuffy nose and slightly tired. MrsD100 is at about 55%, very tired and not much appetite.
We were very careful on our trip. I really think we got it on the plane on the return trip, the 2 guys directly behind us had really bad coughs. You have to wear masks on Canadian flights, and at the airport. I had 2 KN95s on when I heard those guys coughing. We got prescriptions for Paxlovid so it won't get too bad. It's more for MrsD100 as she because if she gets worse that could mean "the hospital", though she is getting a little better each day.
If we didn't report it and get tested we'd be walking around spreading it to friends, relatives, in stores etc. You have to quarantine for 5 days after being tested positive, and 10 days after an international flight....which makes no sense. They do random testing and if they find you leave your home you could get a $5000 fine.
Oh well, at least we will have some protection from this strain. It's like a cold now, you get it, you are down for a few days, and hopefully, if you are fairly healthy life goes on..........

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That doesn’t sound good at all. Glad to hear you and @Mrs. Driver are feeling somewhat better.

Maybe you should lay off the keyboard so you don’t pass it around in here.

jmonroe

Doesn't make sense to stay away from keyboard. I have my mask on while on the forum, so that covers it.

Sure but now you have to worry about monkey pox.

I don't think I'm in a demographic at risk for the new virus. LOL

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

@ab348
We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu.
It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.

btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.

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Hmm, I just learned that Canada is a police state.

jmonroe

I am 75 so I should be extra careful regarding covid. I think our rules were a little stronger than they had to be but our caution actually did work in our favor. It paid off if you go by the numbers, remember Canada has 1/10th of the population of the U.S.
Number of covid deaths in the U.S. 1.02 million
Number of covid deaths in Canada 42000 (that is less than half what it would have been)
*As far as people dying from the vaccine, at most 14000 in the world died from getting vaccinated.
The number who died from covid is 6.34 million.

Today's new variants aren't as strong so they just disable you for awhile. Covid had adapted to some degree, if a virus kills it's host it can't survive forever. So it changes so it only makes the host ill, and if things stay like this that will hopefully happen. But saying the vaccine is going to kill you is an excuse for people who are afraid of vaccines or modern medicine!

Florida where there were no rules is interesting to compare....deaths.
Population of Florida 22 million, 75000 deaths
Population of Ontario Canada 15 million, number of deaths 15000.

Until recently people had to have a test within 72 hours of flying....that just ended about a month ago. It was a pain but that probably would have saved us.

My question then becomes how did Canada define a COVID death? was it like here in the U.S. where if you died with COVID it was considered a COVID death regardless of the actual cause of death?

imidazol97

Like @driver100 I almost went to London last week.

There was a Cobra get together there.
Here are several of the London Cobras group visiting a nearby, large Thursday evening cruise-in.

Oh, my London is London, OH.

dino001

I was fairly strong supporter of protective measures two years ago, because we didn't know much about the virus and what we knew was quite scary. Abundance of caution was warranted back then in my opinion. I thought our Florida governor was too hasty to open up in June 2020 and he too political about it. He also proved to be a petty a.hole more times than I care to remember. What bothers me in the whole thing is a politicization of the process by all players, everybody tries to get points, by either excessively scaring people to the point they wear masks in open space without anybody around (either by a decree or even on their own volition) and close in their house for two years, or making them take needless risks by not vaccinating at advanced age or not protecting themselves at all, so they remain free (to die). Both sides act like there is nothing in between that actually could make sense. This is clearly not the same virus, illness, or medical knowledge, as it was in 2020, so there is no reason for governments (err Canada) to act like it still is - seems like they have additional unrelated agenda if they insist nothing's changed from 2020 On the other hand, sabotaging your own (really good by the way) vaccination rollout, like DeSantis did in Spring 2021 to score some cheap points did was beyond inexplicable to me. Then when some side effects came around for very narrow and specific segments of the population, like Pfizer's men age 17-25 many times increased incidents mild cardiac myopathy vs. other segments. To be fair it was just one-day hospital stay, so nothing catastrophic, but could possibly alter calculus for them, as "unspecified virus of unknown origin" is definitely much smaller threat to them than say to me at age 50 and significantly overweight, or say to some 75 year old with other morbidities. That knowledge was also suppressed, I guess "not to confuse" people.

I'm really angry basically, as it literally feels like was everybody is lying to score some points. To me it's OK to be wrong. It's not OK to do things to score cheap points or insist on "old data", when new data became available.

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

@ab348
We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu.
It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.

btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.

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Hmm, I just learned that Canada is a police state.

jmonroe

I am 75 so I should be ex

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

@ab348
We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu.
It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.

btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.

————————————————-
Hmm, I just learned that Canada is a police state.

jmonroe

I am 75 so I should be extra careful regarding covid. I think our rules were a little stronger than they had to be but our caution actually did work in our favor. It paid off if you go by the numbers, remember Canada has 1/10th of the population of the U.S.
Number of covid deaths in the U.S. 1.02 million
Number of covid deaths in Canada 42000 (that is less than half what it would have been)
*As far as people dying from the vaccine, at most 14000 in the world died from getting vaccinated.
The number who died from covid is 6.34 million.

Today's new variants aren't as strong so they just disable you for awhile. Covid had adapted to some degree, if a virus kills it's host it can't survive forever. So it changes so it only makes the host ill, and if things stay like this that will hopefully happen. But saying the vaccine is going to kill you is an excuse for people who are afraid of vaccines or modern medicine!

Florida where there were no rules is interesting to compare....deaths.
Population of Florida 22 million, 75000 deaths
Population of Ontario Canada 15 million, number of deaths 15000.

Until recently people had to have a test within 72 hours of flying....that just ended about a month ago. It was a pain but that probably would have saved us.

Comparing reported deaths per population unit doesn't work because the types of cases assigned as covid deaths differs from Canada to US.

Also Florida has a higher percentage of older people, who are more susceptible to complications from the flu and colds, thus skewing the numbers.

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

@ab348
We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu.
It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.

btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.

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Hmm, I just learned that Canada is a police state.

jmonroe

I am 75 so I should be extra careful regarding covid. I think our rules were a little stronger than they had to be but our caution actually did work in our favor. It paid off if you go by the numbers, remember Canada has 1/10th of the population of the U.S.
Number of covid deaths in the U.S. 1.02 million
Number of covid deaths in Canada 42000 (that is less than half what it would have been)
*As far as people dying from the vaccine, at most 14000 in the world died from getting vaccinated.
The number who died from covid is 6.34 million.

Today's new variants aren't as strong so they just disable you for awhile. Covid had adapted to some degree, if a virus kills it's host it can't survive forever. So it changes so it only makes the host ill, and if things stay like this that will hopefully happen. But saying the vaccine is going to kill you is an excuse for people who are afraid of vaccines or modern medicine!

Florida where there were no rules is interesting to compare....deaths.
Population of Florida 22 million, 75000 deaths
Population of Ontario Canada 15 million, number of deaths 15000.

Until recently people had to have a test within 72 hours of flying....that just ended about a month ago. It was a pain but that probably would have saved us.

Comparing reported deaths per population unit doesn't work because the types of cases assigned as covid deaths differs from Canada to US.

Also Florida has a higher percentage of older people, who are more susceptible to complications from the flu and colds, thus skewing the numbers.

True to some degree and I realize that, but numbers that vary by that much are meaningful. If it were 10 or 20% might explain a bit, but not when the numbers are over double or 4 times as many.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

I hope you all had a Good July 4th Holiday.
We got back from London and Wimbledon last Wednesday. We didn't feel great Friday and went to a Covid Clinic on Saturday, both of us tested positive. Mine isn't too bad but we are supposed to quarantine for 10 days. I may go back to the clinic after 5 days because I am feeling about 92% OK, a bit of a stuffy nose and slightly tired. MrsD100 is at about 55%, very tired and not much appetite.
We were very careful on our trip. I really think we got it on the plane on the return trip, the 2 guys directly behind us had really bad coughs. You have to wear masks on Canadian flights, and at the airport. I had 2 KN95s on when I heard those guys coughing. We got prescriptions for Paxlovid so it won't get too bad. It's more for MrsD100 as she because if she gets worse that could mean "the hospital", though she is getting a little better each day.
If we didn't report it and get tested we'd be walking around spreading it to friends, relatives, in stores etc. You have to quarantine for 5 days after being tested positive, and 10 days after an international flight....which makes no sense. They do random testing and if they find you leave your home you could get a $5000 fine.
Oh well, at least we will have some protection from this strain. It's like a cold now, you get it, you are down for a few days, and hopefully, if you are fairly healthy life goes on..........

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That doesn’t sound good at all. Glad to hear you and @Mrs. Driver are feeling somewhat better.

Maybe you should lay off the keyboard so you don’t pass it around in here.

jmonroe

I am double masked with KN95s and stand 2 yards (in Canada 2 meters) away from my computer.

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That is quite a reach you’re asking us to believe.

jmonroe

Not as much as he is asking us to believe as 2 yards are only 1.83 meters.

In the U.S. you were supposed to stay 2 yards apart, in Canada 2 meters apart, I guess we can be a bit closer.

But a meter (or are Canadians bad spellers and spell it "Metre"?) is longer than a yard so in Canada you have to be further apart but with a much smaller population density you can do that.

Good point....I thought a meter was 30 inches (I never measure using meters, I grew up with feet) but it is almost 40 inches....39.3701 inches to be exact. Our inches are the same size as U.S. inches. So yes, we would have about 8 inches more separation, maybe that accounts for the lower numbers.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

@ab348
We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu.
It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.

btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.

————————————————-
Hmm, I just learned that Canada is a police state.

jmonroe

I am 75 so I should be extra careful regarding covid. I think our rules were a little stronger than they had to be but our caution actually did work in our favor. It paid off if you go by the numbers, remember Canada has 1/10th of the population of the U.S.
Number of covid deaths in the U.S. 1.02 million
Number of covid deaths in Canada 42000 (that is less than half what it would have been)
*As far as people dying from the vaccine, at most 14000 in the world died from getting vaccinated.
The number who died from covid is 6.34 million.

Today's new variants aren't as strong so they just disable you for awhile. Covid had adapted to some degree, if a virus kills it's host it can't survive forever. So it changes so it only makes the host ill, and if things stay like this that will hopefully happen. But saying the vaccine is going to kill you is an excuse for people who are afraid of vaccines or modern medicine!

Florida where there were no rules is interesting to compare....deaths.
Population of Florida 22 million, 75000 deaths
Population of Ontario Canada 15 million, number of deaths 15000.

Until recently people had to have a test within 72 hours of flying....that just ended about a month ago. It was a pain but that probably would have saved us.

My question then becomes how did Canada define a COVID death? was it like here in the U.S. where if you died with COVID it was considered a COVID death regardless of the actual cause of death?

There was no exact way to count covid deaths in any jurisdiction. Some counted it a covid death if the person had covid but died from something else. I think jurisdictions counted as best as they could. But, I would say once again, the numbers are so different, that those factors would make up a small number of miscounts. One thing in favor of the U.S. is your hospital capacity per capita is much greater which should give you an advantage. Then again, our healthcare is free to all, so some people get treated but in the U.S. some people may not be able to afford hospitalization. Still, the difference in numbers is too great even factoring in those differences. Masks social distancing and vaccines are the biggest factors.

driver100

imidazol97 said:

Like @driver100 I almost went to London last week.

There was a Cobra get together there.
Here are several of the London Cobras group visiting a nearby, large Thursday evening cruise-in.

Oh, my London is London, OH.

Wow....love those Cobras, all lined up. @imidazol97 you should have told me about the event while I was there.

andres3

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

driver100

@dino001 I agree basically. Everyone wants to score points these days, so they play to the crowd. The right response is probably somewhere near the middle and I will say we were probably overly cautious in Ontario. Don't forget those early days though when we wiped off counters etc., and with good reason, people were dying who came into contact with the virus. Hope the worst is over.

roadburner

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

@ab348
We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu.
It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.

btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.

————————————————-
Hmm, I just learned that Canada is a police state.

jmonroe

I am 75 so I should be extra careful regarding covid. I think our rules were a little stronger than they had to be but our caution actually did work in our favor. It paid off if you go by the numbers, remember Canada has 1/10th of the population of the U.S.
Number of covid deaths in the U.S. 1.02 million
Number of covid deaths in Canada 42000 (that is less than half what it would have been)
*As far as people dying from the vaccine, at most 14000 in the world died from getting vaccinated.
The number who died from covid is 6.34 million.

Today's new variants aren't as strong so they just disable you for awhile. Covid had adapted to some degree, if a virus kills it's host it can't survive forever. So it changes so it only makes the host ill, and if things stay like this that will hopefully happen. But saying the vaccine is going to kill you is an excuse for people who are afraid of vaccines or modern medicine!

Florida where there were no rules is interesting to compare....deaths.
Population of Florida 22 million, 75000 deaths
Population of Ontario Canada 15 million, number of deaths 15000.

Until recently people had to have a test within 72 hours of flying....that just ended about a month ago. It was a pain but that probably would have saved us.

Comparing reported deaths per population unit doesn't work because the types of cases assigned as covid deaths differs from Canada to US.

Also Florida has a higher percentage of older people, who are more susceptible to complications from the flu and colds, thus skewing the numbers.

Yes- if a meth lab explodes and anyone killed was positive for Covid it was counted as " yet another Covid-related death."

oldfarmer50

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

@ab348
We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu.
It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.

btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.

————————————————-
Hmm, I just learned that Canada is a police state.

jmonroe

LOL that’s nothing. At the height of the pandemic NY was threatening you with fines up to $10k and a year in jail. (PBH 12-B)

sda

A few pictures from 'The Green'. It is nicely landscaped and nice place to unwind a bit.



The Ratcliffe condos are attached to the office building where I work. The Charlotte Convention Center where the New Car Auto Show is across the street, bottom picture.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

@ab348
We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu.
It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.

btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.

————————————————-
Hmm, I just learned that Canada is a police state.

jmonroe

I am 75 so I should be extra careful regarding covid. I think our rules were a little stronger than they had to be but our caution actually did work in our favor. It paid off if you go by the numbers, remember Canada has 1/10th of the population of the U.S.
Number of covid deaths in the U.S. 1.02 million
Number of covid deaths in Canada 42000 (that is less than half what it would have been)
*As far as people dying from the vaccine, at most 14000 in the world died from getting vaccinated.
The number who died from covid is 6.34 million.

Today's new variants aren't as strong so they just disable you for awhile. Covid had adapted to some degree, if a virus kills it's host it can't survive forever. So it changes so it only makes the host ill, and if things stay like this that will hopefully happen. But saying the vaccine is going to kill you is an excuse for people who are afraid of vaccines or modern medicine!

Florida where there were no rules is interesting to compare....deaths.
Population of Florida 22 million, 75000 deaths
Population of Ontario Canada 15 million, number of deaths 15000.

Until recently people had to have a test within 72 hours of flying....that just ended about a month ago. It was a pain but that probably would have saved us.

New York State with covid restrictions similar to Canada. Population 19 million, number of deaths 70,000. Raw statistics don’t tell the whole story.

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

imidazol97 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

I hope you all had a Good July 4th Holiday.
We got back from London and Wimbledon last Wednesday. We didn't feel great Friday and went to a Covid Clinic on Saturday, both of us tested positive. Mine isn't too bad but we are supposed to quarantine for 10 days. I may go back to the clinic after 5 days because I am feeling about 92% OK, a bit of a stuffy nose and slightly tired. MrsD100 is at about 55%, very tired and not much appetite.
We were very careful on our trip. I really think we got it on the plane on the return trip, the 2 guys directly behind us had really bad coughs. You have to wear masks on Canadian flights, and at the airport. I had 2 KN95s on when I heard those guys coughing. We got prescriptions for Paxlovid so it won't get too bad. It's more for MrsD100 as she because if she gets worse that could mean "the hospital", though she is getting a little better each day.
If we didn't report it and get tested we'd be walking around spreading it to friends, relatives, in stores etc. You have to quarantine for 5 days after being tested positive, and 10 days after an international flight....which makes no sense. They do random testing and if they find you leave your home you could get a $5000 fine.
Oh well, at least we will have some protection from this strain. It's like a cold now, you get it, you are down for a few days, and hopefully, if you are fairly healthy life goes on..........

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That doesn’t sound good at all. Glad to hear you and @Mrs. Driver are feeling somewhat better.

Maybe you should lay off the keyboard so you don’t pass it around in here.

jmonroe

Doesn't make sense to stay away from keyboard. I have my mask on while on the forum, so that covers it.

Sure but now you have to worry about monkey pox.

I don't think I'm in a demographic at risk for the new virus. LOL

And if you’re old enough to have gotten the smallpox inoculation prior to 1972 you’re probably immune anyway.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

@ab348
We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu.
It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.

btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.

————————————————-
Hmm, I just learned that Canada is a police state.

jmonroe

I am 75 so I should be extra careful regarding covid. I think our rules were a little stronger than they had to be but our caution actually did work in our favor. It paid off if you go by the numbers, remember Canada has 1/10th of the population of the U.S.
Number of covid deaths in the U.S. 1.02 million
Number of covid deaths in Canada 42000 (that is less than half what it would have been)
*As far as people dying from the vaccine, at most 14000 in the world died from getting vaccinated.
The number who died from covid is 6.34 million.

Today's new variants aren't as strong so they just disable you for awhile. Covid had adapted to some degree, if a virus kills it's host it can't survive forever. So it changes so it only makes the host ill, and if things stay like this that will hopefully happen. But saying the vaccine is going to kill you is an excuse for people who are afraid of vaccines or modern medicine!

Florida where there were no rules is interesting to compare....deaths.
Population of Florida 22 million, 75000 deaths
Population of Ontario Canada 15 million, number of deaths 15000.

Until recently people had to have a test within 72 hours of flying....that just ended about a month ago. It was a pain but that probably would have saved us.

My question then becomes how did Canada define a COVID death? was it like here in the U.S. where if you died with COVID it was considered a COVID death regardless of the actual cause of death?

There was no exact way to count covid deaths in any jurisdiction. Some counted it a covid death if the person had covid but died from something else. I think jurisdictions counted as best as they could. But, I would say once again, the numbers are so different, that those factors would make up a small number of miscounts. One thing in favor of the U.S. is your hospital capacity per capita is much greater which should give you an advantage. Then again, our healthcare is free to all, so some people get treated but in the U.S. some people may not be able to afford hospitalization. Still, the difference in numbers is too great even factoring in those differences. Masks social distancing and vaccines are the biggest factors.

In the US a hospital can’t refuse to treat anyone for lack of insurance or money. After you’re well they’ll pick you clean though. I’m sure there are horror stories but I doubt anyone was thrown out of a hospital with covid.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

@ab348
We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu.
It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.

btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.

————————————————-
Hmm, I just learned that Canada is a police state.

jmonroe

I am 75 so I should be ex

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

@ab348
We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu.
It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.

btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.

————————————————-
Hmm, I just learned that Canada is a police state.

jmonroe

I am 75 so I should be extra careful regarding covid. I think our rules were a little stronger than they had to be but our caution actually did work in our favor. It paid off if you go by the numbers, remember Canada has 1/10th of the population of the U.S.
Number of covid deaths in the U.S. 1.02 million
Number of covid deaths in Canada 42000 (that is less than half what it would have been)
*As far as people dying from the vaccine, at most 14000 in the world died from getting vaccinated.
The number who died from covid is 6.34 million.

Today's new variants aren't as strong so they just disable you for awhile. Covid had adapted to some degree, if a virus kills it's host it can't survive forever. So it changes so it only makes the host ill, and if things stay like this that will hopefully happen. But saying the vaccine is going to kill you is an excuse for people who are afraid of vaccines or modern medicine!

Florida where there were no rules is interesting to compare....deaths.
Population of Florida 22 million, 75000 deaths
Population of Ontario Canada 15 million, number of deaths 15000.

Until recently people had to have a test within 72 hours of flying....that just ended about a month ago. It was a pain but that probably would have saved us.

Comparing reported deaths per population unit doesn't work because the types of cases assigned as covid deaths differs from Canada to US.

Also Florida has a higher percentage of older people, who are more susceptible to complications from the flu and colds, thus skewing the numbers.

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

@ab348
We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu.
It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.

btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.

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Hmm, I just learned that Canada is a police state.

jmonroe

I am 75 so I should be extra careful regarding covid. I think our rules were a little stronger than they had to be but our caution actually did work in our favor. It paid off if you go by the numbers, remember Canada has 1/10th of the population of the U.S.
Number of covid deaths in the U.S. 1.02 million
Number of covid deaths in Canada 42000 (that is less than half what it would have been)
*As far as people dying from the vaccine, at most 14000 in the world died from getting vaccinated.
The number who died from covid is 6.34 million.

Today's new variants aren't as strong so they just disable you for awhile. Covid had adapted to some degree, if a virus kills it's host it can't survive forever. So it changes so it only makes the host ill, and if things stay like this that will hopefully happen. But saying the vaccine is going to kill you is an excuse for people who are afraid of vaccines or modern medicine!

Florida where there were no rules is interesting to compare....deaths.
Population of Florida 22 million, 75000 deaths
Population of Ontario Canada 15 million, number of deaths 15000.

Until recently people had to have a test within 72 hours of flying....that just ended about a month ago. It was a pain but that probably would have saved us.

Comparing reported deaths per population unit doesn't work because the types of cases assigned as covid deaths differs from Canada to US.

Also Florida has a higher percentage of older people, who are more susceptible to complications from the flu and colds, thus skewing the numbers.

True to some degree and I realize that, but numbers that vary by that much are meaningful. If it were 10 or 20% might explain a bit, but not when the numbers are over double or 4 times as many.

However Florida's over 65 population, as a percentage of the population, is 25% higher than that of Ontario. There is a reason that Florida is called Gods waiting room. That difference would make for a significant difference in mortality giving that it tends to be more serious for the older population.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

@ab348
We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu.
It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.

btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.

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Hmm, I just learned that Canada is a police state.

jmonroe

I am 75 so I should be extra careful regarding covid. I think our rules were a little stronger than they had to be but our caution actually did work in our favor. It paid off if you go by the numbers, remember Canada has 1/10th of the population of the U.S.
Number of covid deaths in the U.S. 1.02 million
Number of covid deaths in Canada 42000 (that is less than half what it would have been)
*As far as people dying from the vaccine, at most 14000 in the world died from getting vaccinated.
The number who died from covid is 6.34 million.

Today's new variants aren't as strong so they just disable you for awhile. Covid had adapted to some degree, if a virus kills it's host it can't survive forever. So it changes so it only makes the host ill, and if things stay like this that will hopefully happen. But saying the vaccine is going to kill you is an excuse for people who are afraid of vaccines or modern medicine!

Florida where there were no rules is interesting to compare....deaths.
Population of Florida 22 million, 75000 deaths
Population of Ontario Canada 15 million, number of deaths 15000.

Until recently people had to have a test within 72 hours of flying....that just ended about a month ago. It was a pain but that probably would have saved us.

My question then becomes how did Canada define a COVID death? was it like here in the U.S. where if you died with COVID it was considered a COVID death regardless of the actual cause of death?

There was no exact way to count covid deaths in any jurisdiction. Some counted it a covid death if the person had covid but died from something else. I think jurisdictions counted as best as they could. But, I would say once again, the numbers are so different, that those factors would make up a small number of miscounts. One thing in favor of the U.S. is your hospital capacity per capita is much greater which should give you an advantage. Then again, our healthcare is free to all, so some people get treated but in the U.S. some people may not be able to afford hospitalization. Still, the difference in numbers is too great even factoring in those differences. Masks social distancing and vaccines are the biggest factors.

At the beginning of this mess the CDC did announce that they were counting anyone who died with COVID was going to be counted as a COVID death. There was a big outcry over this when someone who was killed in a motorcycle accident in, I believe, Florida was counted as a COVID death because s/he was infected. Make me question the total deaths.

snakeweasel

andres3 said:

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

You forgot fishing stories.

henryn

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

@ab348
We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu.
It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.

btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.

————————————————-
Hmm, I just learned that Canada is a police state.

jmonroe

I am 75 so I should be extra careful regarding covid. I think our rules were a little stronger than they had to be but our caution actually did work in our favor. It paid off if you go by the numbers, remember Canada has 1/10th of the population of the U.S.
Number of covid deaths in the U.S. 1.02 million
Number of covid deaths in Canada 42000 (that is less than half what it would have been)
*As far as people dying from the vaccine, at most 14000 in the world died from getting vaccinated.
The number who died from covid is 6.34 million.

Today's new variants aren't as strong so they just disable you for awhile. Covid had adapted to some degree, if a virus kills it's host it can't survive forever. So it changes so it only makes the host ill, and if things stay like this that will hopefully happen. But saying the vaccine is going to kill you is an excuse for people who are afraid of vaccines or modern medicine!

Florida where there were no rules is interesting to compare....deaths.
Population of Florida 22 million, 75000 deaths
Population of Ontario Canada 15 million, number of deaths 15000.

Until recently people had to have a test within 72 hours of flying....that just ended about a month ago. It was a pain but that probably would have saved us.

My question then becomes how did Canada define a COVID death? was it like here in the U.S. where if you died with COVID it was considered a COVID death regardless of the actual cause of death?

There was no exact way to count covid deaths in any jurisdiction. Some counted it a covid death if the person had covid but died from something else. I think jurisdictions counted as best as they could. But, I would say once again, the numbers are so different, that those factors would make up a small number of miscounts. One thing in favor of the U.S. is your hospital capacity per capita is much greater which should give you an advantage. Then again, our healthcare is free to all, so some people get treated but in the U.S. some people may not be able to afford hospitalization. Still, the difference in numbers is too great even factoring in those differences. Masks social distancing and vaccines are the biggest factors.

At the beginning of this mess the CDC did announce that they were counting anyone who died with COVID was going to be counted as a COVID death. There was a big outcry over this when someone who was killed in a motorcycle accident in, I believe, Florida was counted as a COVID death because s/he was infected. Make me question the total deaths.

Yes, but ...

It is entirely possible that being sick with Covid contributed to the motorcycle accident. I'm not saying it did, but definitely could have. I did a little motorcycling when I was younger, and quite a bit of bicycling. Having flu-like or cold-like symptoms (congestion, stuffy head, hard to breath) can definitely affect your balance, which is vitally important when two-wheeling.

I'm just saying ...

jmonroe1

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

You forgot fishing stories.

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So I guess you don’t want to hear about the 2 pound guppy I raised when I was a kid and had an aquarium?

jmonroe

ab348

henryn said:

Yes, but ...

It is entirely possible that being sick with Covid contributed to the motorcycle accident. I'm not saying it did, but definitely could have. I did a little motorcycling when I was younger, and quite a bit of bicycling. Having flu-like or cold-like symptoms (congestion, stuffy head, hard to breath) can definitely affect your balance, which is vitally important when two-wheeling.

I'm just saying ...

You're usually a pretty sensible guy, so I'll temper what I wanted to say and just say "C'mon, man". A lot of things can affect a lot of other things. That doesn't make them statistically significant.

As Driver said, we had a lot of dubious claims up here by both the health "experts" as named by the press and the others who took an opposite viewpoint. Who knows what is actually true. Yesterday I was supposed to have an appointment with my family doc but her office called on Thursday to advise that it would be a telephone consult. The reason was she came down with Covid, apparently brought home from school by her kid and then spread through the household, so they're all in iso. She said she wasn't feeling great but was able to function at some reduced level.

Up here our Chief Public Officer a.k.a. our "Top Doc" as anointed by the press was quite draconian in imposing measures, with big penalties for violators. The majority of the public liked that especially in the early stages when we were close to having torch-and-pitchfork mobs going after transgressors. As time went on and things became somewhat normalized his approach became less popular though there remained a segment that made him a folk hero. For the last few months the new govt here has had him on a very short leash and he has almost disappeared from view.

Thing is, I know this guy. When I was working one of the things I did was to be the middleman between bar and restaurant operators and the government. They started griping to me in the '90s when their association brokered a deal with the government of the day to stop generalized smoking in bars and restos by having separately walled and ventilated rooms, which many of them went to great expense to construct. The govt changed, this doc got the ear of one of the newbies, and boom, a total ban. All the money the operators spent was down the drain. He absolutely hated smoking of course, so there was no room for compromise.

But his attitude towards that was nothing compared to how much he hated booze. When I went out to the liquor board, we started seeing these stories in the press with absolutely ridiculous stats that did not match up to anything close to our actual audited numbers. According to him, we were a province full of drunks. He had studies done that were so full of manipulated "stats" that even the politicians didn't believe them. But he knew how to work the system, leak things to the press, and use newly-appointed people to advance his agenda. Finally I had to take him on, and it wasn't pretty. Nobody could figure out why he had such a hate for the booze business, which while hardly without fault, was nothing at all like he characterized it. Finally just before I retired someone lowered the boom on him and told him to cool it.

When he started popping up in the early days of COVID I told people that he was the right guy for what was needed at that point, but good luck getting him to back off at the tail end. That was exactly what happened here. Zealots for any particular cause are not great at finding middle ground.

driver100

@dino001

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

@ab348
We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu.
It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.

btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.

————————————————-
Hmm, I just learned that Canada is a police state.

jmonroe

I am 75 so I should be ex

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

@ab348
We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu.
It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.

btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.

————————————————-
Hmm, I just learned that Canada is a police state.

jmonroe

I am 75 so I should be extra careful regarding covid. I think our rules were a little stronger than they had to be but our caution actually did work in our favor. It paid off if you go by the numbers, remember Canada has 1/10th of the population of the U.S.
Number of covid deaths in the U.S. 1.02 million
Number of covid deaths in Canada 42000 (that is less than half what it would have been)
*As far as people dying from the vaccine, at most 14000 in the world died from getting vaccinated.
The number who died from covid is 6.34 million.

Today's new variants aren't as strong so they just disable you for awhile. Covid had adapted to some degree, if a virus kills it's host it can't survive forever. So it changes so it only makes the host ill, and if things stay like this that will hopefully happen. But saying the vaccine is going to kill you is an excuse for people who are afraid of vaccines or modern medicine!

Florida where there were no rules is interesting to compare....deaths.
Population of Florida 22 million, 75000 deaths
Population of Ontario Canada 15 million, number of deaths 15000.

Until recently people had to have a test within 72 hours of flying....that just ended about a month ago. It was a pain but that probably would have saved us.

Comparing reported deaths per population unit doesn't work because the types of cases assigned as covid deaths differs from Canada to US.

Also Florida has a higher percentage of older people, who are more susceptible to complications from the flu and colds, thus skewing the numbers.

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

@ab348
We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu.
It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.

btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.

————————————————-
Hmm, I just learned that Canada is a police state.

jmonroe

I am 75 so I should be extra careful regarding covid. I think our rules were a little stronger than they had to be but our caution actually did work in our favor. It paid off if you go by the numbers, remember Canada has 1/10th of the population of the U.S.
Number of covid deaths in the U.S. 1.02 million
Number of covid deaths in Canada 42000 (that is less than half what it would have been)
*As far as people dying from the vaccine, at most 14000 in the world died from getting vaccinated.
The number who died from covid is 6.34 million.

Today's new variants aren't as strong so they just disable you for awhile. Covid had adapted to some degree, if a virus kills it's host it can't survive forever. So it changes so it only makes the host ill, and if things stay like this that will hopefully happen. But saying the vaccine is going to kill you is an excuse for people who are afraid of vaccines or modern medicine!

Florida where there were no rules is interesting to compare....deaths.
Population of Florida 22 million, 75000 deaths
Population of Ontario Canada 15 million, number of deaths 15000.

Until recently people had to have a test within 72 hours of flying....that just ended about a month ago. It was a pain but that probably would have saved us.

Comparing reported deaths per population unit doesn't work because the types of cases assigned as covid deaths differs from Canada to US.

Also Florida has a higher percentage of older people, who are more susceptible to complications from the flu and colds, thus skewing the numbers.

True to some degree and I realize that, but numbers that vary by that much are meaningful. If it were 10 or 20% might explain a bit, but not when the numbers are over double or 4 times as many.

However Florida's over 65 population, as a percentage of the population, is 25% higher than that of Ontario. There is a reason that Florida is called Gods waiting room. That difference would make for a significant difference in mortality giving that it tends to be more serious for the older population.

I checked several sites and I get Florida's over 65 year olds amount to 19% of the population. Ontario and Canada are just over 16%.

I am not saying the deaths from covid numbers are exact, counting covid deaths is an inexact science, I am saying the numbers are so far apart there has to be a major reason for it. Thinking it is a conspiracy theory and then trying to prove it seems to be the latest trend....sometimes a fact is a fact!

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

@ab348
We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu.
It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.

btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.

————————————————-
Hmm, I just learned that Canada is a police state.

jmonroe

I am 75 so I should be extra careful regarding covid. I think our rules were a little stronger than they had to be but our caution actually did work in our favor. It paid off if you go by the numbers, remember Canada has 1/10th of the population of the U.S.
Number of covid deaths in the U.S. 1.02 million
Number of covid deaths in Canada 42000 (that is less than half what it would have been)
*As far as people dying from the vaccine, at most 14000 in the world died from getting vaccinated.
The number who died from covid is 6.34 million.

Today's new variants aren't as strong so they just disable you for awhile. Covid had adapted to some degree, if a virus kills it's host it can't survive forever. So it changes so it only makes the host ill, and if things stay like this that will hopefully happen. But saying the vaccine is going to kill you is an excuse for people who are afraid of vaccines or modern medicine!

Florida where there were no rules is interesting to compare....deaths.
Population of Florida 22 million, 75000 deaths
Population of Ontario Canada 15 million, number of deaths 15000.

Until recently people had to have a test within 72 hours of flying....that just ended about a month ago. It was a pain but that probably would have saved us.

My question then becomes how did Canada define a COVID death? was it like here in the U.S. where if you died with COVID it was considered a COVID death regardless of the actual cause of death?

There was no exact way to count covid deaths in any jurisdiction. Some counted it a covid death if the person had covid but died from something else. I think jurisdictions counted as best as they could. But, I would say once again, the numbers are so different, that those factors would make up a small number of miscounts. One thing in favor of the U.S. is your hospital capacity per capita is much greater which should give you an advantage. Then again, our healthcare is free to all, so some people get treated but in the U.S. some people may not be able to afford hospitalization. Still, the difference in numbers is too great even factoring in those differences. Masks social distancing and vaccines are the biggest factors.

In the US a hospital can’t refuse to treat anyone for lack of insurance or money. After you’re well they’ll pick you clean though. I’m sure there are horror stories but I doubt anyone was thrown out of a hospital with covid.

If someone couldn't pay, were they placed in ICU, were they on respirators? My understanding is you have to be able to pay before getting services.

mjfloyd1

@driver100 said:
If someone couldn't pay, were they placed in ICU, were they on respirators? My understanding is you have to be able to pay before getting services.

You don’t have to be able to pay to get services in urgent/ emergent situations

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

@ab348
We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu.
It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.

btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.

————————————————-
Hmm, I just learned that Canada is a police state.

jmonroe

I am 75 so I should be extra careful regarding covid. I think our rules were a little stronger than they had to be but our caution actually did work in our favor. It paid off if you go by the numbers, remember Canada has 1/10th of the population of the U.S.
Number of covid deaths in the U.S. 1.02 million
Number of covid deaths in Canada 42000 (that is less than half what it would have been)
*As far as people dying from the vaccine, at most 14000 in the world died from getting vaccinated.
The number who died from covid is 6.34 million.

Today's new variants aren't as strong so they just disable you for awhile. Covid had adapted to some degree, if a virus kills it's host it can't survive forever. So it changes so it only makes the host ill, and if things stay like this that will hopefully happen. But saying the vaccine is going to kill you is an excuse for people who are afraid of vaccines or modern medicine!

Florida where there were no rules is interesting to compare....deaths.
Population of Florida 22 million, 75000 deaths
Population of Ontario Canada 15 million, number of deaths 15000.

Until recently people had to have a test within 72 hours of flying....that just ended about a month ago. It was a pain but that probably would have saved us.

New York State with covid restrictions similar to Canada. Population 19 million, number of deaths 70,000. Raw statistics don’t tell the whole story.

I really doubt the rules were as strict or lasted as long as they did in Ontario.....we had about the strictest rules in North America...probably overdid it. And, you had huge outbreaks in New York City. Some countries like New Zealand locked up and had very few cases of covid during the first wave. The East coast of Canada didn't allow visitors in...their numbers were low. Social distance, masks, vaccines and lock downs all help keep the numbers down, the numbers from different countries show this.

driver100

henryn said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

@ab348
We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu.
It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.

btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.

————————————————-
Hmm, I just learned that Canada is a police state.

jmonroe

I am 75 so I should be extra careful regarding covid. I think our rules were a little stronger than they had to be but our caution actually did work in our favor. It paid off if you go by the numbers, remember Canada has 1/10th of the population of the U.S.
Number of covid deaths in the U.S. 1.02 million
Number of covid deaths in Canada 42000 (that is less than half what it would have been)
*As far as people dying from the vaccine, at most 14000 in the world died from getting vaccinated.
The number who died from covid is 6.34 million.

Today's new variants aren't as strong so they just disable you for awhile. Covid had adapted to some degree, if a virus kills it's host it can't survive forever. So it changes so it only makes the host ill, and if things stay like this that will hopefully happen. But saying the vaccine is going to kill you is an excuse for people who are afraid of vaccines or modern medicine!

Florida where there were no rules is interesting to compare....deaths.
Population of Florida 22 million, 75000 deaths
Population of Ontario Canada 15 million, number of deaths 15000.

Until recently people had to have a test within 72 hours of flying....that just ended about a month ago. It was a pain but that probably would have saved us.

My question then becomes how did Canada define a COVID death? was it like here in the U.S. where if you died with COVID it was considered a COVID death regardless of the actual cause of death?

There was no exact way to count covid deaths in any jurisdiction. Some counted it a covid death if the person had covid but died from something else. I think jurisdictions counted as best as they could. But, I would say once again, the numbers are so different, that those factors would make up a small number of miscounts. One thing in favor of the U.S. is your hospital capacity per capita is much greater which should give you an advantage. Then again, our healthcare is free to all, so some people get treated but in the U.S. some people may not be able to afford hospitalization. Still, the difference in numbers is too great even factoring in those differences. Masks social distancing and vaccines are the biggest factors.

At the beginning of this mess the CDC did announce that they were counting anyone who died with COVID was going to be counted as a COVID death. There was a big outcry over this when someone who was killed in a motorcycle accident in, I believe, Florida was counted as a COVID death because s/he was infected. Make me question the total deaths.

Yes, but ...

It is entirely possible that being sick with Covid contributed to the motorcycle accident. I'm not saying it did, but definitely could have. I did a little motorcycling when I was younger, and quite a bit of bicycling. Having flu-like or cold-like symptoms (congestion, stuffy head, hard to breath) can definitely affect your balance, which is vitally important when two-wheeling.

I'm just saying ...

It is a bit of a stretch but I have a mild case of covid right now....but, my concentration isn't great. The last time I drove was on Saturday and that was fine. I don't feel like reading my book though, I just don't feel like concentrating that hard. I think something like this could happen, very rare though. If someone had serious covid it could affect their driving....just like alcohol. Think about it, a stuffy head, a fever, really tired feeling, etc.,....it could happen!