Because Costco isn't ever wrapped around the block with people waiting for fuel.
That's not happening that bad in CA at Costco's. Also, it's because gas is about 30 cents less/gallon than at adjacent local stations. Lastly, it's because of inept drivers and people that take way too long to figure out how to pump gas. Some don't even bother to move when it's a "middle" spot open because they fear parking in between vehicles.
Admittedly, Costco's in CA prepared by having stations with 3 to 4 pumps deep (usually with at least 5 wide too; any design with just 2 pumps/dispensers per lane is so 1990's.
'18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
Not buying any of big oil’s excuses, explanations, BS justifications.
As demand continues to drop, the other excuses are going to become prevalent…
-“will need gov’t help to stem dropping demand so we don’t have to do layoffs” -“we need gov’t help because we didn’t move to EV support quick enough” -“we’ll just abandon our underground gas tanks that aren’t needed anymore and let communities clean up the inevitable hazardous seepage”.
I could go on. The oil companies are parasites. The sooner we dispatch them all to history, the better we all will be….economically and environmentally.
You with the oil companies, me with Insurance companies.
If insurance companies had any brains or valid algorithms in use they wouldn't have needed bailouts (AIG) in 2008 and 2009. Or maybe the game plan was fail big and get bailed out, now that's smart, and it worked out for them splendidly if that was the playbook.
'18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
@ab348 We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu. It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.
btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.
————————————————- Hmm, I just learned that Canada is a police state.
jmonroe
I am 75 so I should be extra careful regarding covid. I think our rules were a little stronger than they had to be but our caution actually did work in our favor. It paid off if you go by the numbers, remember Canada has 1/10th of the population of the U.S. Number of covid deaths in the U.S. 1.02 million Number of covid deaths in Canada 42000 (that is less than half what it would have been) *As far as people dying from the vaccine, at most 14000 in the world died from getting vaccinated. The number who died from covid is 6.34 million.
Today's new variants aren't as strong so they just disable you for awhile. Covid had adapted to some degree, if a virus kills it's host it can't survive forever. So it changes so it only makes the host ill, and if things stay like this that will hopefully happen. But saying the vaccine is going to kill you is an excuse for people who are afraid of vaccines or modern medicine!
Florida where there were no rules is interesting to compare....deaths. Population of Florida 22 million, 75000 deaths Population of Ontario Canada 15 million, number of deaths 15000.
Until recently people had to have a test within 72 hours of flying....that just ended about a month ago. It was a pain but that probably would have saved us.
My question then becomes how did Canada define a COVID death? was it like here in the U.S. where if you died with COVID it was considered a COVID death regardless of the actual cause of death?
There was no exact way to count covid deaths in any jurisdiction. Some counted it a covid death if the person had covid but died from something else. I think jurisdictions counted as best as they could. But, I would say once again, the numbers are so different, that those factors would make up a small number of miscounts. One thing in favor of the U.S. is your hospital capacity per capita is much greater which should give you an advantage. Then again, our healthcare is free to all, so some people get treated but in the U.S. some people may not be able to afford hospitalization. Still, the difference in numbers is too great even factoring in those differences. Masks social distancing and vaccines are the biggest factors.
At the beginning of this mess the CDC did announce that they were counting anyone who died with COVID was going to be counted as a COVID death. There was a big outcry over this when someone who was killed in a motorcycle accident in, I believe, Florida was counted as a COVID death because s/he was infected. Make me question the total deaths.
Yes, but ...
It is entirely possible that being sick with Covid contributed to the motorcycle accident. I'm not saying it did, but definitely could have. I did a little motorcycling when I was younger, and quite a bit of bicycling. Having flu-like or cold-like symptoms (congestion, stuffy head, hard to breath) can definitely affect your balance, which is vitally important when two-wheeling.
I'm just saying ...
While it could have it is most possibly not a factor in the accident and not a cause of the death.
And it could be argued that feeling breathing issues and stuffy head are readily apparent conditions yet the driver CHOSE to drive anyway despite those readily apparent conditions (negligence). So to blame the disease for free will choices by the individual driver is pretty far fetched if you want to assign blame for a collision.
There was a big time case in San Diego where I believe it was a DA (District Attorney) woman who had just had a child, as in a delivery at the hospital, and against Doctor's orders (due to drugs in her system among other things) CHOSE to drive home.
She ran a red light and killed a nanny/caretaker and critically injured the infant in the stroller she was holding in the crosswalk. The infant belonged to another high-powered big wig in San Diego that wanted and demanded justice.
Now that's a politically charged case even @roadburner might not want to touch.
'18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
Not buying any of big oil’s excuses, explanations, BS justifications.
As demand continues to drop, the other excuses are going to become prevalent…
-“will need gov’t help to stem dropping demand so we don’t have to do layoffs” -“we need gov’t help because we didn’t move to EV support quick enough” -“we’ll just abandon our underground gas tanks that aren’t needed anymore and let communities clean up the inevitable hazardous seepage”.
I could go on. The oil companies are parasites. The sooner we dispatch them all to history, the better we all will be….economically and environmentally.
So you think it is just a coincidence that oil/gas prices usually go up or down along with shifting gov. policies? Two years ago gas was $2.50/3.00 a gallon now it is double that, so what changed to make that happen?
I'll be catching a Guardians - Padres game in San Diego at the end of August.
The Padres played like a Double A team on 4th of July.
If that’s true, then the Rockies must be a low A team by comparison.
I just want to see the ballpark
——————————————— I you think the Rockies are bad come to the Burgh. Not really but you know what I mean.
The Pirates just finished a 2 game series with the Yankees. Won the first game 5-3 or something like that. Yesterday they lost 16-0, now that more like the Pirates I know. The one they won was obviously a fluke; proof that even a blind squirrel can find a nut.
PNC park may be the nicest ballpark in the majors. That’s not me talking, that’s what critics have said. The Pirates are a total disgrace to the ballpark they play in.
I still can’t believe they had a sellout crowd for the Yankee game they won. I didn’t know there were over 37K dopes that would go to watch them. More than likely the dopes came see the Yankees. Still no excuse for that many to show up.
Rant over.
jmonroe
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I went to 2 Yankees/Guardians games over the weekend in Cleveland. One thing I like about Progressive field is that there are a lot of hangout areas so you don't fell confined to your seat. On Sunday we took the grandkids, just under 3 and the other 5 months. Amazingly, we were able to stay the whole game. Older one spent most of his time in the kids play area with dad. Younger one hung out on a standing room 'shelf' in his car seat in the shade and never fussed at all.
2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
Not buying any of big oil’s excuses, explanations, BS justifications.
As demand continues to drop, the other excuses are going to become prevalent…
-“will need gov’t help to stem dropping demand so we don’t have to do layoffs” -“we need gov’t help because we didn’t move to EV support quick enough” -“we’ll just abandon our underground gas tanks that aren’t needed anymore and let communities clean up the inevitable hazardous seepage”.
I could go on. The oil companies are parasites. The sooner we dispatch them all to history, the better we all will be….economically and environmentally.
So you think it is just a coincidence that oil/gas prices usually go up or down along with shifting gov. policies? Two years ago gas was $2.50/3.00 a gallon now it is double that, so what changed to make that happen?
well, 2 years ago the country was largely shut down and demand cratered. Leading producers to cut back on production (plus the guy in charge at the time worked out a deal with OPEC to cut back). Since then, people flooded the roads again without a corresponding increase in output. which also got hammered by a major producer deciding to invade a neighboring country and getting themselves cut off from the world market.
so IOW the supply and demand pendulum swung from one extreme to the other. and price gauging of course to make up for lost profits.
So, my former employer has been bugging me to do some work for them.
They finally sent over a consulting gig that I only have to do for a week. But, it’s on the land of Mickey (Orlando) and I’d be working with Lockheed (which really interests me). Headed that way tomorrow.
Well, it is a real feather in your cap to be pursued like that.
I thought I would always want to work especially in our own business. But now that I got used to retirement I would never trade it for working. If a company wanted my skills I'd have to tell them I would be totally useless as an employee, no interest, no motivation, don't care....I want to do what I want to do on my own schedule. Besides, I don't have time to be working.
———————————————— I know what you mean.
My old employer called me about 2 months after I pulled the plug for the last time. This wasn’t my old boss because he had retired himself by that time but he threw my name out saying “I doubt he’d be interested but good luck. I’m pretty sure he’s really done”. My old boss was right but the new guy wouldn’t give up so easily. Kept calling me with a better hourly rate but you guys would have been proud of me because I kept saying, “no thanks but thanks for asking”. Finally he got the idea. They must have been in real trouble because they kept throwing money at me and I never once alluded that the money wasn’t enough.They sure as hell didn’t throw money around like that when I was an almost 35 year full time working stiff that’s for sure.
I’ve really settled into retirement now all right. I do what I want to do when I want to do it and and I only do that when I feel like it.
jmonroe
The administrator of Kentucky's retired judge program invited me to return when I serve out my term in 2.5 years. I'm definitely going to do it; they pay on a day or half day basis- and comp mileage meals and lodging. Best of all, I can turn down any assignment if I don't like the case and/or the location- and it will give me a little bit of "walking around money."
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Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
So, my former employer has been bugging me to do some work for them.
They finally sent over a consulting gig that I only have to do for a week. But, it’s on the land of Mickey (Orlando) and I’d be working with Lockheed (which really interests me). Headed that way tomorrow.
Well, it is a real feather in your cap to be pursued like that.
I thought I would always want to work especially in our own business. But now that I got used to retirement I would never trade it for working. If a company wanted my skills I'd have to tell them I would be totally useless as an employee, no interest, no motivation, don't care....I want to do what I want to do on my own schedule. Besides, I don't have time to be working.
———————————————— I know what you mean.
My old employer called me about 2 months after I pulled the plug for the last time. This wasn’t my old boss because he had retired himself by that time but he threw my name out saying “I doubt he’d be interested but good luck. I’m pretty sure he’s really done”. My old boss was right but the new guy wouldn’t give up so easily. Kept calling me with a better hourly rate but you guys would have been proud of me because I kept saying, “no thanks but thanks for asking”. Finally he got the idea. They must have been in real trouble because they kept throwing money at me and I never once alluded that the money wasn’t enough.They sure as hell didn’t throw money around like that when I was an almost 35 year full time working stiff that’s for sure.
I’ve really settled into retirement now all right. I do what I want to do when I want to do it and and I only do that when I feel like it.
jmonroe
The administrator of Kentucky's retired judge program invited me to return when I serve out my term in 2.5 years. I'm definitely going to do it; they pay on a day or half day basis- and comp mileage meals and lodging. Best of all, I can turn down any assignment if I don't like the case and/or the location- and it will give me a little bit of "walking around money."
M2 Competition money you mean.
'18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
So, my former employer has been bugging me to do some work for them. I’ve really resisted, as they want me to sign 30-60-90 day….up to a year contract.
I’ve filled up my time doing things I really like (like mentoring at the local 2-year degree school, chairing the advisory committee for the local arts and entertainment community, etc. I like doing those things. I have mostly resisted (few pockets of ZOOM meetings that I charged them for) doing “real” work.
They finally sent over a consulting gig that I only have to do for a week. But, it’s on the land of Mickey (Orlando) and I’d be working with Lockheed (which really interests me). Headed that way tomorrow.
Not looking forward to the Orlando weather. But, I am looking forward to working with the folks at Lockheed, who are some of the brightest folks I know.
I’ve been to Orlando in August so you have my condolences. If you really enjoy the work and your commitment is time limited it sounds like the perfect retirement job.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
I’d live to be able to retire soon and do some occasional consulting gigs to make up for lost income. I just don’t think I’d find any for what I do. And my current employer would have no interest.
Don’t worry, when you get settled up here I’ll put in a word for you at my company and you can spend your days laughing and test driving all sorts of cars.
Who knows, despite my recommendation they might even hire you.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Not buying any of big oil’s excuses, explanations, BS justifications.
As demand continues to drop, the other excuses are going to become prevalent…
-“will need gov’t help to stem dropping demand so we don’t have to do layoffs” -“we need gov’t help because we didn’t move to EV support quick enough” -“we’ll just abandon our underground gas tanks that aren’t needed anymore and let communities clean up the inevitable hazardous seepage”.
I could go on. The oil companies are parasites. The sooner we dispatch them all to history, the better we all will be….economically and environmentally.
So you think it is just a coincidence that oil/gas prices usually go up or down along with shifting gov. policies? Two years ago gas was $2.50/3.00 a gallon now it is double that, so what changed to make that happen?
Companies like long term stable environments before they make investment inputs. To put it in farming terms, if the government says tomatoes are bad for you and they are going to consider banning them, I sure as heck won’t be buying a new tractor to plant tomatoes. The tomatoes that are grown will command a premium price because of scarcity.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
My fears are related to long/road trips and being stuck in a line or at a broken charger or in the middle of nowhere - on the interstate I just want to get to my destination (on my recent trip to the beach, I topped up coming and going at Costco in Lacey, almost no wait both times).
Wagon is under warranty til 2029, it'll be interesting to see what tech and infrastructure look like then, which is probably the next time I will be in the market, and would have no problem shopping an EV.
Of course, at Costco there are like 30 pumps, one can pull up on either side if they choose, and fill up in maybe 5 minutes once they get to the pump.
Can’t argue with that. No matter how many pumps I find at Costco, it’s still a 35 minute endeavor. I’ve also had zero issues with charging , so…I’m biased.
Because Costco isn't ever wrapped around the block with people waiting for fuel.
That's not happening that bad in CA at Costco's. Also, it's because gas is about 30 cents less/gallon than at adjacent local stations. Lastly, it's because of inept drivers and people that take way too long to figure out how to pump gas. Some don't even bother to move when it's a "middle" spot open because they fear parking in between vehicles.
Admittedly, Costco's in CA prepared by having stations with 3 to 4 pumps deep (usually with at least 5 wide too; any design with just 2 pumps/dispensers per lane is so 1990's.
I would think it all depends on the market. Some places in lightly populated rural areas might just have two pumps total and that works out fine. The stations by me are usually 4 lanes with two pumps each and that works fine, rarely do I wait (unless it's Costco). On the 4th I ended up at a place that had at least 12 lanes with 4 pumps each in Pontiac, IL and I don't understand that one.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
@ab348 We had symptoms so we got tested. The federal government mandates to quarantine for 10 days after international travel, if you test positive. If we didn't get tested we could be out spreading it in stores, and to friends and relatives. You are wise to take precautions ab. I think the attitude now is, if you are compromised, take necessary precautions, everyone else, - let's get back to business and if you get it it will be like having a cold or worse case the flu. It is probably the right thing, as this will probably be around for a long time now.
btw They could call the house, or automated call, or visit to make sure we are at home, no taking Trixie for a walk, no going outside....up to $5000 fine if we get caught out of the house.
————————————————- Hmm, I just learned that Canada is a police state.
jmonroe
I am 75 so I should be extra careful regarding covid. I think our rules were a little stronger than they had to be but our caution actually did work in our favor. It paid off if you go by the numbers, remember Canada has 1/10th of the population of the U.S. Number of covid deaths in the U.S. 1.02 million Number of covid deaths in Canada 42000 (that is less than half what it would have been) *As far as people dying from the vaccine, at most 14000 in the world died from getting vaccinated. The number who died from covid is 6.34 million.
Today's new variants aren't as strong so they just disable you for awhile. Covid had adapted to some degree, if a virus kills it's host it can't survive forever. So it changes so it only makes the host ill, and if things stay like this that will hopefully happen. But saying the vaccine is going to kill you is an excuse for people who are afraid of vaccines or modern medicine!
Florida where there were no rules is interesting to compare....deaths. Population of Florida 22 million, 75000 deaths Population of Ontario Canada 15 million, number of deaths 15000.
Until recently people had to have a test within 72 hours of flying....that just ended about a month ago. It was a pain but that probably would have saved us.
My question then becomes how did Canada define a COVID death? was it like here in the U.S. where if you died with COVID it was considered a COVID death regardless of the actual cause of death?
There was no exact way to count covid deaths in any jurisdiction. Some counted it a covid death if the person had covid but died from something else. I think jurisdictions counted as best as they could. But, I would say once again, the numbers are so different, that those factors would make up a small number of miscounts. One thing in favor of the U.S. is your hospital capacity per capita is much greater which should give you an advantage. Then again, our healthcare is free to all, so some people get treated but in the U.S. some people may not be able to afford hospitalization. Still, the difference in numbers is too great even factoring in those differences. Masks social distancing and vaccines are the biggest factors.
At the beginning of this mess the CDC did announce that they were counting anyone who died with COVID was going to be counted as a COVID death. There was a big outcry over this when someone who was killed in a motorcycle accident in, I believe, Florida was counted as a COVID death because s/he was infected. Make me question the total deaths.
Yes, but ...
It is entirely possible that being sick with Covid contributed to the motorcycle accident. I'm not saying it did, but definitely could have. I did a little motorcycling when I was younger, and quite a bit of bicycling. Having flu-like or cold-like symptoms (congestion, stuffy head, hard to breath) can definitely affect your balance, which is vitally important when two-wheeling.
I'm just saying ...
While it could have it is most possibly not a factor in the accident and not a cause of the death.
And it could be argued that feeling breathing issues and stuffy head are readily apparent conditions yet the driver CHOSE to drive anyway despite those readily apparent conditions (negligence). So to blame the disease for free will choices by the individual driver is pretty far fetched if you want to assign blame for a collision.
There was a big time case in San Diego where I believe it was a DA (District Attorney) woman who had just had a child, as in a delivery at the hospital, and against Doctor's orders (due to drugs in her system among other things) CHOSE to drive home.
She ran a red light and killed a nanny/caretaker and critically injured the infant in the stroller she was holding in the crosswalk. The infant belonged to another high-powered big wig in San Diego that wanted and demanded justice.
Now that's a politically charged case even @roadburner might not want to touch.
It could be argued that but the end result is that he died of brunt trauma and not of COVID.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Not buying any of big oil’s excuses, explanations, BS justifications.
As demand continues to drop, the other excuses are going to become prevalent…
-“will need gov’t help to stem dropping demand so we don’t have to do layoffs” -“we need gov’t help because we didn’t move to EV support quick enough” -“we’ll just abandon our underground gas tanks that aren’t needed anymore and let communities clean up the inevitable hazardous seepage”.
I could go on. The oil companies are parasites. The sooner we dispatch them all to history, the better we all will be….economically and environmentally.
So you think it is just a coincidence that oil/gas prices usually go up or down along with shifting gov. policies? Two years ago gas was $2.50/3.00 a gallon now it is double that, so what changed to make that happen?
well, 2 years ago the country was largely shut down and demand cratered. Leading producers to cut back on production (plus the guy in charge at the time worked out a deal with OPEC to cut back). Since then, people flooded the roads again without a corresponding increase in output. which also got hammered by a major producer deciding to invade a neighboring country and getting themselves cut off from the world market.
so IOW the supply and demand pendulum swung from one extreme to the other. and price gauging of course to make up for lost profits.
Well not quite what you say it was, gas prices started to go up before demand started to increase and well before one major producer decided to take a stroll in a neighboring country. The increases in the price started with our current presidents energy policies being imputed into place.
That being said, and I will say no more here, if you want more you can contact me privately as I don't want to politicize the room.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
You can document the price changes occurring before demand and producer changes (a "stroll"? really) without being political... Otherwise it looks like a passive-aggressive political statement made and then bailed out knowing nobody will challenge it.
Not buying any of big oil’s excuses, explanations, BS justifications.
As demand continues to drop, the other excuses are going to become prevalent…
-“will need gov’t help to stem dropping demand so we don’t have to do layoffs” -“we need gov’t help because we didn’t move to EV support quick enough” -“we’ll just abandon our underground gas tanks that aren’t needed anymore and let communities clean up the inevitable hazardous seepage”.
I could go on. The oil companies are parasites. The sooner we dispatch them all to history, the better we all will be….economically and environmentally.
So you think it is just a coincidence that oil/gas prices usually go up or down along with shifting gov. policies? Two years ago gas was $2.50/3.00 a gallon now it is double that, so what changed to make that happen?
well, 2 years ago the country was largely shut down and demand cratered. Leading producers to cut back on production (plus the guy in charge at the time worked out a deal with OPEC to cut back). Since then, people flooded the roads again without a corresponding increase in output. which also got hammered by a major producer deciding to invade a neighboring country and getting themselves cut off from the world market.
so IOW the supply and demand pendulum swung from one extreme to the other. and price gauging of course to make up for lost profits.
Well not quite what you say it was, gas prices started to go up before demand started to increase and well before one major producer decided to take a stroll in a neighboring country. The increases in the price started with our current presidents energy policies being imputed into place.
That being said, and I will say no more here, if you want more you can contact me privately as I don't want to politicize the room.
You can document the price changes occurring before demand and producer changes (a "stroll"? really) without being political... Otherwise it looks like a passive-aggressive political statement made and then bailed out knowing nobody will challenge it.
Not buying any of big oil’s excuses, explanations, BS justifications.
As demand continues to drop, the other excuses are going to become prevalent…
-“will need gov’t help to stem dropping demand so we don’t have to do layoffs” -“we need gov’t help because we didn’t move to EV support quick enough” -“we’ll just abandon our underground gas tanks that aren’t needed anymore and let communities clean up the inevitable hazardous seepage”.
I could go on. The oil companies are parasites. The sooner we dispatch them all to history, the better we all will be….economically and environmentally.
So you think it is just a coincidence that oil/gas prices usually go up or down along with shifting gov. policies? Two years ago gas was $2.50/3.00 a gallon now it is double that, so what changed to make that happen?
well, 2 years ago the country was largely shut down and demand cratered. Leading producers to cut back on production (plus the guy in charge at the time worked out a deal with OPEC to cut back). Since then, people flooded the roads again without a corresponding increase in output. which also got hammered by a major producer deciding to invade a neighboring country and getting themselves cut off from the world market.
so IOW the supply and demand pendulum swung from one extreme to the other. and price gauging of course to make up for lost profits.
Well not quite what you say it was, gas prices started to go up before demand started to increase and well before one major producer decided to take a stroll in a neighboring country. The increases in the price started with our current presidents energy policies being imputed into place.
That being said, and I will say no more here, if you want more you can contact me privately as I don't want to politicize the room.
Well I have been down this road on other forums and it can get political real fast as some of the things done were purely political and I really don't want to start us down that route. But people are free to contact me privately to discuss it.
You don't like my terminology of "stroll"?
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I do believe that gasoline prices rise with the price of oil, and fall with the price of oil. But they go up much faster than they come down, an effect which I think everyone has noticed. Paul Krugman talked about that today:
As economists at the St. Louis Fed recently pointed out, there’s a longstanding phenomenon in the fuel market known as asymmetric pass-through or, more colorfully, rockets and feathers. When oil prices shoot up, prices at the pump shoot up right along with them (the rocket). And when oil prices plunge, prices at the pump eventually fall, but much more gradually (the feather).
Why this asymmetry? There have been a number of economic papers trying to understand it, pretty much all of which stress the market power of companies that face limited competition (something Bezos surely knows a lot about.) The clearest explanation I’ve seen is in a relatively old paper by Severin Borenstein, Richard Gilbert and A. Colin Campbell. I’d summarize their argument as follows: When oil prices shoot up, owners of gas stations feel empowered not just to pass on the cost but also to raise their markups, because consumers can’t easily tell whether they’re being gouged when prices are going up everywhere. And gas stations may hang on to these extra markups for a while even when oil prices fall.
Is there evidence for this story? Yes. Notably, the rockets and feathers phenomenon seems to be strongest in areas where individual gas stations face relatively little competition.
I do believe that gasoline prices rise with the price of oil, and fall with the price of oil. But they go up much faster than they come down, an effect which I think everyone has noticed. Paul Krugman talked about that today:
I have been in retail and I think there is a much simpler phenomenon going on here. The price of oil goes up, the dealer knows when his current supply is gone he will have to pay more for it. He wants to make extra on the gas he has now to cover the bigger bill he will be getting after his next purchase.
When the price of oil goes down, in his mind, one he won't want to lower prices too quickly in case it bounces back up, and second, he has paid a higher price for the gas now in his tanks, he doesn't want to accept less money for that gas.
I do believe that gasoline prices rise with the price of oil, and fall with the price of oil. But they go up much faster than they come down, an effect which I think everyone has noticed. Paul Krugman talked about that today:
As economists at the St. Louis Fed recently pointed out, there’s a longstanding phenomenon in the fuel market known as asymmetric pass-through or, more colorfully, rockets and feathers. When oil prices shoot up, prices at the pump shoot up right along with them (the rocket). And when oil prices plunge, prices at the pump eventually fall, but much more gradually (the feather).
Why this asymmetry? There have been a number of economic papers trying to understand it, pretty much all of which stress the market power of companies that face limited competition (something Bezos surely knows a lot about.) The clearest explanation I’ve seen is in a relatively old paper by Severin Borenstein, Richard Gilbert and A. Colin Campbell. I’d summarize their argument as follows: When oil prices shoot up, owners of gas stations feel empowered not just to pass on the cost but also to raise their markups, because consumers can’t easily tell whether they’re being gouged when prices are going up everywhere. And gas stations may hang on to these extra markups for a while even when oil prices fall.
Is there evidence for this story? Yes. Notably, the rockets and feathers phenomenon seems to be strongest in areas where individual gas stations face relatively little competition.
———————————————— Gee, that sounds like a conspiracy aimed at the common everyday working class. Who’s going to believe that?
jmonroe
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I do believe that gasoline prices rise with the price of oil, and fall with the price of oil. But they go up much faster than they come down, an effect which I think everyone has noticed. Paul Krugman talked about that today:
I have been in retail and I think there is a much simpler phenomenon going on here. The price of oil goes up, the dealer knows when his current supply is gone he will have to pay more for it. He wants to make extra on the gas he has now to cover the bigger bill he will be getting after his next purchase.
When the price of oil goes down, in his mind, one he won't want to lower prices too quickly in case it bounces back up, and second, he has paid a higher price for the gas now in his tanks, he doesn't want to accept less money for that gas.
Simple
—————————————— Your point number two sounds logical but how do you explain the extra profit that is made on the gas in the tanks that was purchased at a cheaper price before gas prices sky rocketed. I say they want to win on both ends and they do.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
I do believe that gasoline prices rise with the price of oil, and fall with the price of oil. But they go up much faster than they come down, an effect which I think everyone has noticed. Paul Krugman talked about that today:
I have been in retail and I think there is a much simpler phenomenon going on here. The price of oil goes up, the dealer knows when his current supply is gone he will have to pay more for it. He wants to make extra on the gas he has now to cover the bigger bill he will be getting after his next purchase.
When the price of oil goes down, in his mind, one he won't want to lower prices too quickly in case it bounces back up, and second, he has paid a higher price for the gas now in his tanks, he doesn't want to accept less money for that gas.
Simple
—————————————— Your point number two sounds logical but how do you explain the extra profit that is made on the gas in the tanks that was purchased at a cheaper price before gas prices sky rocketed. I say they want to win on both ends and they do.
jmonroe
I agree completely BUT, if you are the dealer you don't consider that. Your main concern, and many businesses are on a fine line between financing and debt, escalating costs etc., will be how much is my next order going to cost me....and how am I going to cover that additional cost?
I am about the only business owner who tried to be fair to my customers and suppliers, but, it is a dog eat dog world and most business owners will do what they have to do to look after #1. Most businesses run on owing money.....it is hard to purchase more when the price goes up, unless you start charging more.
We always paid cash so rising interest rates, higher prices, didn't effect us as much as most...also suppliers always came to us with their best product because almost no one pays cash...they love C.O.D., knowing they will be paid and promptly.
gas stations are independent businesses. their prices are not fixed by any regulation. They can set them to be whatever they want. Just because they got a fresh load of gas in the tanks at a lower price does not mean they have to lower their price (or raise it if they just paid more).
that usually happens because competitor stations do lower their price, and they need to follow suit or they lose their business. So until the first station blinks no reason to change prices.
You could just post the data points you refer to. Anything can be political by technicality, but much can exist outside of politics, like a simple example of gas/oil prices over time.
Yes, referring to the invasion of a sovereign nation, destruction of countless thousands of homes and displacement of countless thousands of people, and subsequent killing of thousands of people as a "stroll" is kind of insane, to my eyes anyway.
You can document the price changes occurring before demand and producer changes (a "stroll"? really) without being political... Otherwise it looks like a passive-aggressive political statement made and then bailed out knowing nobody will challenge it.
Not buying any of big oil’s excuses, explanations, BS justifications.
As demand continues to drop, the other excuses are going to become prevalent…
-“will need gov’t help to stem dropping demand so we don’t have to do layoffs” -“we need gov’t help because we didn’t move to EV support quick enough” -“we’ll just abandon our underground gas tanks that aren’t needed anymore and let communities clean up the inevitable hazardous seepage”.
I could go on. The oil companies are parasites. The sooner we dispatch them all to history, the better we all will be….economically and environmentally.
So you think it is just a coincidence that oil/gas prices usually go up or down along with shifting gov. policies? Two years ago gas was $2.50/3.00 a gallon now it is double that, so what changed to make that happen?
well, 2 years ago the country was largely shut down and demand cratered. Leading producers to cut back on production (plus the guy in charge at the time worked out a deal with OPEC to cut back). Since then, people flooded the roads again without a corresponding increase in output. which also got hammered by a major producer deciding to invade a neighboring country and getting themselves cut off from the world market.
so IOW the supply and demand pendulum swung from one extreme to the other. and price gauging of course to make up for lost profits.
Well not quite what you say it was, gas prices started to go up before demand started to increase and well before one major producer decided to take a stroll in a neighboring country. The increases in the price started with our current presidents energy policies being imputed into place.
That being said, and I will say no more here, if you want more you can contact me privately as I don't want to politicize the room.
Well I have been down this road on other forums and it can get political real fast as some of the things done were purely political and I really don't want to start us down that route. But people are free to contact me privately to discuss it.
@stickguy said:
gas stations are independent businesses. their prices are not fixed by any regulation. They can set them to be whatever they want. Just because they got a fresh load of gas in the tanks at a lower price does not mean they have to lower their price (or raise it if they just paid more).
that usually happens because competitor stations do lower their price, and they need to follow suit or they lose their business. So until the first station blinks no reason to change prices.
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I agree that gas stations don’t have to lower their price if a new supply of gas costs less than before. But, do you know of any stations that DON’T raise their price of gas immediately when the new gas costs more? If any of them didn’t they’d be out of business sooner than later. Of course they can price their gas any way they want but like you said, competition and the desire to stay in business says they adjust their gas price to market price for their location.
FWIW, a couple years ago I asked two different gas station owners how they go about raising the price of gas when they see gas prices are going to be going up. Both answered pretty much the same way saying…first we turn off the price on our outside signs then as soon as a car at a pump leaves we immediately shut that pump down and change the price. Once all pumps have been changed we turn on the outside sign with the new price. One guy said, “sometimes it’s a real PITA when we have to change prices a couple times a day”. I couldn’t let that pass so I asked, “is there a law that says you HAVE to do that?” He paused for a second then said, “kinda if I want to stay in business”. To me that wasn’t a good answer but it did explain how they operate.
jmonroe
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FWIW, a couple years ago I asked two different gas station owners how they go about raising the price of gas when they see gas prices are going to be going up.
These posts are getting longer, I think the original JMonroe whacked JMonroe1 and he's back!
btw, what does "'15 Genesis just like jmonroe" mean, that you are also a wannabe?
gas stations are independent businesses. their prices are not fixed by any regulation. They can set them to be whatever they want. Just because they got a fresh load of gas in the tanks at a lower price does not mean they have to lower their price (or raise it if they just paid more).
that usually happens because competitor stations do lower their price, and they need to follow suit or they lose their business. So until the first station blinks no reason to change prices.
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I agree that gas stations don’t have to lower their price if a new supply of gas costs less than before. But, do you know of any stations that DON’T raise their price of gas immediately when the new gas costs more? If any of them didn’t they’d be out of business sooner than later. Of course they can price their gas any way they want but like you said, competition and the desire to stay in business says they adjust their gas price to market price for their location.
FWIW, a couple years ago I asked two different gas station owners how they go about raising the price of gas when they see gas prices are going to be going up. Both answered pretty much the same way saying…first we turn off the price on our outside signs then as soon as a car at a pump leaves we immediately shut that pump down and change the price. Once all pumps have been changed we turn on the outside sign with the new price. One guy said, “sometimes it’s a real PITA when we have to change prices a couple times a day”. I couldn’t let that pass so I asked, “is there a law that says you HAVE to do that?” He paused for a second then said, “kinda if I want to stay in business”. To me that wasn’t a good answer but it did explain how they operate.
jmonroe
Well they really can't increase the price as you are pumping the gas that would be like a bait and switch. However with computers I don't see how they have to do it that way. It wouldn't take much programing to be able to switch all the pumps at the same time and have the price change take effect after the transaction at the individual pumps are completed.
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Not buying any of big oil’s excuses, explanations, BS justifications.
As demand continues to drop, the other excuses are going to become prevalent…
-“will need gov’t help to stem dropping demand so we don’t have to do layoffs” -“we need gov’t help because we didn’t move to EV support quick enough” -“we’ll just abandon our underground gas tanks that aren’t needed anymore and let communities clean up the inevitable hazardous seepage”.
I could go on. The oil companies are parasites. The sooner we dispatch them all to history, the better we all will be….economically and environmentally.
So you think it is just a coincidence that oil/gas prices usually go up or down along with shifting gov. policies? Two years ago gas was $2.50/3.00 a gallon now it is double that, so what changed to make that happen?
well, 2 years ago the country was largely shut down and demand cratered. Leading producers to cut back on production (plus the guy in charge at the time worked out a deal with OPEC to cut back). Since then, people flooded the roads again without a corresponding increase in output. which also got hammered by a major producer deciding to invade a neighboring country and getting themselves cut off from the world market.
so IOW the supply and demand pendulum swung from one extreme to the other. and price gauging of course to make up for lost profits.
I agree and may I add, some oil refineries were shut down during the pandemic and when they resumed operations they faced labor shortages and a higher wage bill. That increased labor cost also affected all operators along the supply chain, who took the opportunity to raise prices inflaming the situation. What I find ironic is that consumers are not doing much to lower their gas bill. Through the substitution effect they should be buying smaller cars or driving less but apparently they are not willing to compromise. That 401k wealth effect is turning economic theory upside down. welcome to the new normal.
Changing the fuel price would be easer if they didn't have those numbers that have to be manually changed on top of the pumps.
I only see digital gas price signs these days. It costs too much and takes too much time doing them manually, especially if you are posting diesel, gas, RUG and PUG, the cost for cash or credit, and that lottery tickets are available.
In this market it’s difficult to buy any car, let alone a fuel efficient one. I’m not sure what kind of heap I could buy with my $7,000 (now $6,000) 401k but I bet there are plenty of people who don’t have much more to spend.
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@bwia said:
I agree and may I add, some oil refineries were shut down during the pandemic and when they resumed operations they faced labor shortages and a higher wage bill. That increased labor cost also affected all operators along the supply chain, who took the opportunity to raise prices inflaming the situation. What I find ironic is that consumers are not doing much to lower their gas bill. Through the substitution effect they should be buying smaller cars or driving less but apparently they are not willing to compromise. That 401k wealth effect is turning economic theory upside down. welcome to the new normal.
@bwia said:
I agree and may I add, some oil refineries were shut down during the pandemic and when they resumed operations they faced labor shortages and a higher wage bill. That increased labor cost also affected all operators along the supply chain, who took the opportunity to raise prices inflaming the situation. What I find ironic is that consumers are not doing much to lower their gas bill. Through the substitution effect they should be buying smaller cars or driving less but apparently they are not willing to compromise. That 401k wealth effect is turning economic theory upside down. welcome to the new normal.
Problem is, whether the individual does this or not, all of us face higher food costs and the cost of other necessities because of the higher cost of transporting these commodities to the market.
@snakeweasel said:
Well they really can't increase the price as you are pumping the gas that would be like a bait and switch. However with computers I don't see how they have to do it that way. It wouldn't take much programing to be able to switch all the pumps at the same time and have the price change take effect after the transaction at the individual pumps are completed.
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I’m sure they can change all the pumps at the same time. I wasn’t trying to explain the mechanics of doing it. I just posted what 2 different owners told me.
But when you mentioned changing all the pumps at once that reminded me of what happened here maybe 10 years ago:
Somehow a guy that worked the overnight hours (midnight to maybe 7AM) got the password to the system at the station. This station was the last station on the right side of the road before getting onto the PA turnpike. One night just before he was about to get off work he decided to change the price of gas to, IIRC 99 cents, so that a couple buddies of his could get some gas cheaply because, as the story goes, he owed them a favor. Since he did this on a weekday morning and at the start of rush hour, as his friends are filling their tanks, about 5 or 6 other cars pulled in and got gas at the same low price. Before he could change the price back even more cars pulled in because little did he know when he changed the price at the pumps that also changed the price on the outside signs. So many cars were coming to a screeching halt that the intersection became clogged and the police showed up because of it. To make a long story short, (just for you @driver100) the cops called the owner who had to come in to correct the situation.
When the owner asked the guy, “why the hell didn’t you just shut everything down?” The reply was, “I was so panicked I couldn’t remember the password I used or find the piece of paper I wrote it on”. When the owner then asked, “why didn’t you just hit the emergency power button, that would have shut off all the power to the station”. The reply to that was, “I forgot about that too.”
Yes, the guy was fired and made to pay the owner for a few hundred gallons of gas that was pumped at the bargain price in lieu of going to the slammer.
Sometimes pushing one button ain’t such a good idea. Individual control would have been best for the event I just spoke of.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
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Admittedly, Costco's in CA prepared by having stations with 3 to 4 pumps deep (usually with at least 5 wide too; any design with just 2 pumps/dispensers per lane is so 1990's.
If insurance companies had any brains or valid algorithms in use they wouldn't have needed bailouts (AIG) in 2008 and 2009. Or maybe the game plan was fail big and get bailed out, now that's smart, and it worked out for them splendidly if that was the playbook.
There was a big time case in San Diego where I believe it was a DA (District Attorney) woman who had just had a child, as in a delivery at the hospital, and against Doctor's orders (due to drugs in her system among other things) CHOSE to drive home.
She ran a red light and killed a nanny/caretaker and critically injured the infant in the stroller she was holding in the crosswalk. The infant belonged to another high-powered big wig in San Diego that wanted and demanded justice.
Now that's a politically charged case even @roadburner might not want to touch.
I just want to see the ballpark
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I you think the Rockies are bad come to the Burgh. Not really but you know what I mean.
The Pirates just finished a 2 game series with the Yankees. Won the first game 5-3 or something like that. Yesterday they lost 16-0, now that more like the Pirates I know. The one they won was obviously a fluke; proof that even a blind squirrel can find a nut.
PNC park may be the nicest ballpark in the majors. That’s not me talking, that’s what critics have said. The Pirates are a total disgrace to the ballpark they play in.
I still can’t believe they had a sellout crowd for the Yankee game they won. I didn’t know there were over 37K dopes that would go to watch them. More than likely the dopes came see the Yankees. Still no excuse for that many to show up.
Rant over.
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
One thing I like about Progressive field is that there are a lot of hangout areas so you don't fell confined to your seat.
On Sunday we took the grandkids, just under 3 and the other 5 months.
Amazingly, we were able to stay the whole game.
Older one spent most of his time in the kids play area with dad.
Younger one hung out on a standing room 'shelf' in his car seat in the shade and never fussed at all.
so IOW the supply and demand pendulum swung from one extreme to the other. and price gauging of course to make up for lost profits.
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Who knows, despite my recommendation they might even hire you.
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Really? He didn’t tell you he wants a 25% finders fee for the first 2 months. Plus a few lunches.
Is he still the “so kind”guy you first thought he was?
jmonroe
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Wagon is under warranty til 2029, it'll be interesting to see what tech and infrastructure look like then, which is probably the next time I will be in the market, and would have no problem shopping an EV.
Can’t argue with that. No matter how many pumps I find at Costco, it’s still a 35 minute endeavor. I’ve also had zero issues with charging , so…I’m biased.
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That being said, and I will say no more here, if you want more you can contact me privately as I don't want to politicize the room.
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You can document the price changes occurring before demand and producer changes (a "stroll"? really) without being political... Otherwise it looks like a passive-aggressive political statement made and then bailed out knowing nobody will challenge it.
You don't like my terminology of "stroll"?
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I have been in retail and I think there is a much simpler phenomenon going on here. The price of oil goes up, the dealer knows when his current supply is gone he will have to pay more for it. He wants to make extra on the gas he has now to cover the bigger bill he will be getting after his next purchase.
When the price of oil goes down, in his mind, one he won't want to lower prices too quickly in case it bounces back up, and second, he has paid a higher price for the gas now in his tanks, he doesn't want to accept less money for that gas.
Simple
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Gee, that sounds like a conspiracy aimed at the common everyday working class. Who’s going to believe that?
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
Your point number two sounds logical but how do you explain the extra profit that is made on the gas in the tanks that was purchased at a cheaper price before gas prices sky rocketed. I say they want to win on both ends and they do.
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
I am about the only business owner who tried to be fair to my customers and suppliers, but, it is a dog eat dog world and most business owners will do what they have to do to look after #1. Most businesses run on owing money.....it is hard to purchase more when the price goes up, unless you start charging more.
We always paid cash so rising interest rates, higher prices, didn't effect us as much as most...also suppliers always came to us with their best product because almost no one pays cash...they love C.O.D., knowing they will be paid and promptly.
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that usually happens because competitor stations do lower their price, and they need to follow suit or they lose their business. So until the first station blinks no reason to change prices.
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Yes, referring to the invasion of a sovereign nation, destruction of countless thousands of homes and displacement of countless thousands of people, and subsequent killing of thousands of people as a "stroll" is kind of insane, to my eyes anyway.
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I agree that gas stations don’t have to lower their price if a new supply of gas costs less than before. But, do you know of any stations that DON’T raise their price of gas immediately when the new gas costs more? If any of them didn’t they’d be out of business sooner than later. Of course they can price their gas any way they want but like you said, competition and the desire to stay in business says they adjust their gas price to market price for their location.
FWIW, a couple years ago I asked two different gas station owners how they go about raising the price of gas when they see gas prices are going to be going up. Both answered pretty much the same way saying…first we turn off the price on our outside signs then as soon as a car at a pump leaves we immediately shut that pump down and change the price. Once all pumps have been changed we turn on the outside sign with the new price. One guy said, “sometimes it’s a real PITA when we have to change prices a couple times a day”. I couldn’t let that pass so I asked, “is there a law that says you HAVE to do that?” He paused for a second then said, “kinda if I want to stay in business”. To me that wasn’t a good answer but it did explain how they operate.
jmonroe
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These posts are getting longer, I think the original JMonroe whacked JMonroe1 and he's back!
btw, what does "'15 Genesis just like jmonroe" mean, that you are also a wannabe?
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I agree that gas stations don’t have to lower their price if a new supply of gas costs less than before. But, do you know of any stations that DON’T raise their price of gas immediately when the new gas costs more? If any of them didn’t they’d be out of business sooner than later. Of course they can price their gas any way they want but like you said, competition and the desire to stay in business says they adjust their gas price to market price for their location.
FWIW, a couple years ago I asked two different gas station owners how they go about raising the price of gas when they see gas prices are going to be going up. Both answered pretty much the same way saying…first we turn off the price on our outside signs then as soon as a car at a pump leaves we immediately shut that pump down and change the price. Once all pumps have been changed we turn on the outside sign with the new price. One guy said, “sometimes it’s a real PITA when we have to change prices a couple times a day”. I couldn’t let that pass so I asked, “is there a law that says you HAVE to do that?” He paused for a second then said, “kinda if I want to stay in business”. To me that wasn’t a good answer but it did explain how they operate.
jmonroe
Well they really can't increase the price as you are pumping the gas that would be like a bait and switch. However with computers I don't see how they have to do it that way. It wouldn't take much programing to be able to switch all the pumps at the same time and have the price change take effect after the transaction at the individual pumps are completed.
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BUSTED.
So far Edmunds doesn’t have a law against that.
As for the Genesis car ID, there ain’t a law against that either.
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Problem is, whether the individual does this or not, all of us face higher food costs and the cost of other necessities because of the higher cost of transporting these commodities to the market.
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I’m sure they can change all the pumps at the same time. I wasn’t trying to explain the mechanics of doing it. I just posted what 2 different owners told me.
But when you mentioned changing all the pumps at once that reminded me of what happened here maybe 10 years ago:
Somehow a guy that worked the overnight hours (midnight to maybe 7AM) got the password to the system at the station. This station was the last station on the right side of the road before getting onto the PA turnpike. One night just before he was about to get off work he decided to change the price of gas to, IIRC 99 cents, so that a couple buddies of his could get some gas cheaply because, as the story goes, he owed them a favor. Since he did this on a weekday morning and at the start of rush hour, as his friends are filling their tanks, about 5 or 6 other cars pulled in and got gas at the same low price. Before he could change the price back even more cars pulled in because little did he know when he changed the price at the pumps that also changed the price on the outside signs. So many cars were coming to a screeching halt that the intersection became clogged and the police showed up because of it. To make a long story short, (just for you @driver100) the cops called the owner who had to come in to correct the situation.
When the owner asked the guy, “why the hell didn’t you just shut everything down?” The reply was, “I was so panicked I couldn’t remember the password I used or find the piece of paper I wrote it on”. When the owner then asked, “why didn’t you just hit the emergency power button, that would have shut off all the power to the station”. The reply to that was, “I forgot about that too.”
Yes, the guy was fired and made to pay the owner for a few hundred gallons of gas that was pumped at the bargain price in lieu of going to the slammer.
Sometimes pushing one button ain’t such a good idea. Individual control would have been best for the event I just spoke of.
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
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Why didn’t you have a low cost buyout clause put into your agreement?
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