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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    oldfarmer50">

    Several knowledgeable friends tell me the Jeep 3.7L engine is a lousy design not worth fixing. Hope that Penstar is better. Anyone know why they stopped using the in-line 6 in Jeeps. That thing was bulletproof.


    That reminds me, if anyone cares to comment. The old Chrysler slant 6 engines were supposed to last forever....and I recall Chrysler used it for many cars. It was a good engine in the Dart and Scamp, and other Chryslers, and those were good cars.

    Then they updated to bring out the Volare and Aspens and those cars were disasters. Completely unreliable. What went wrong?

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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    I think part of it was bad electronics and emissions engineering.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,673
    yup. the older models had about 4 moving parts and 1930s technology. The whole lean burn, etc. stuff just killed drive-ability. Not that the engine "broke", it just ran terrible.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    berri, stick. Good info......I always wondered about that. I almost bought an Aspen, but, fortunately the company I worked for came up with a company car.

    Pretty much like this....that's when cars were cars, and men were men, and ...............




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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,351
    driver100 said:

    oldfarmer50">

    Several knowledgeable friends tell me the Jeep 3.7L engine is a lousy design not worth fixing. Hope that Penstar is better. Anyone know why they stopped using the in-line 6 in Jeeps. That thing was bulletproof.


    That reminds me, if anyone cares to comment. The old Chrysler slant 6 engines were supposed to last forever....and I recall Chrysler used it for many cars. It was a good engine in the Dart and Scamp, and other Chryslers, and those were good cars.

    Then they updated to bring out the Volare and Aspens and those cars were disasters. Completely unreliable. What went wrong?



    My recollection of early 70s cars was that they all had drivability problems and terrible build quality. The Volare got Chrysler in trouble with the NYS Attorney General who sued them for fenders that rusted. I remember because I used the AG's action as a club when Chrysler was slow to fix a problem with my Omni.

    Never understood the upset about rusting fenders since they all did that in the days when inner fenders were for luxury cars only. It was actually kind of cool to see rooster tails erupting through the front fenders on rainy days.

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  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,388
    Well, I am back in the hospital - low blood pressure and palpitations.  As soon as I know more, I'll post.

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,404
    driver100 said:

    berri, stick. Good info......I always wondered about that. I almost bought an Aspen, but, fortunately the company I worked for came up with a company car.

    Pretty much like this....that's when cars were cars, and men were men, and ...............





    I always liked those! They looked like Chrysler copied GM designs. Of course they were huge cars. And likely made with the usual crummy Chrysler build quality of that era. But they looked nice.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,673
    sorry to hear Mike. Hopefully they get you stabilized. not really surprising though with all you got going on to need some 'adjustments".

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,141
    The 69 Camaro my future wife was driving when we met was a 6cyl. that couldn't even spin the wheels (believe me I tried). She was a secretary so I guess it was a good fit.
    A while back I was driving my MS3 and encountered an older guy(well, older than me anyway- I still remember when the earth was cooling) at a stop light. He was driving a newer V6 Camaro- complete with hood stripes and fuzzy dice(!) hanging from the rearview mirror. I guess he wanted to show that little furrin' station wagon who owned the road, so when the light turned green he floored it. You've heard that you shouldn't bring a knife to a gunfight? That old dude learned that you don't bring a plastic spatula to a thermonuclear exchange. :D I used my usual technique; I let him pull just slightly ahead(giving him false hope) and then I nailed the throttle and pulled away like he had shifted into reverse. I love Q-ships!!! B)
    I hear that GM 3.6L is nice but the weight on the Camero was something like 3900lbs. That's gotta slow it down. For what it's worth my Mustang weighs 3635 according to the registration.
    I'm on my second GM 3.6. It's a smooth engine, and makes a decent amount of power but it doesn't compare to Toyota's 3.5 or Nissan's Vq.   The 3.6 just doesn't seem to spool up like those other motors and while they are near or over 300HP (303 in the Lacrosse) they don't feel quite like it.  Both cars I've had with it are porkers so I'm sure that's part of the problem.  

    Mike! Hang in there, let's hope for s quick in and out this time 


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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    abacomike said:

    Well, I am back in the hospital - low blood pressure and palpitations.  As soon as I know more, I'll post.

    Sorry to hear you are back in the hospital....at least they can watch over you, until you get past this stage.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    My recollection of early 70s cars was that they all had drivability problems and terrible build quality. The Volare got Chrysler in trouble with the NYS Attorney General who sued them for fenders that rusted. I remember because I used the AG's action as a club when Chrysler was slow to fix a problem with my Omni.




    An Omni! There must be a story there. Weren't they really a VW Rabbit? If I remember correctly, most Omni's were pretty fragile, but every once in awhile one would last and last.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    edited December 2015
    el="ab348

    I always liked those! They looked like Chrysler copied GM designs. Of course they were huge cars. And likely made with the usual crummy Chrysler build quality of that era. But they looked nice
    .


    One day when the rear window defroster was on the whole back window exploded. I felt like a king driving that big car....but, not the best for handling and steering.

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,404
    abacomike said:

    Well, I am back in the hospital - low blood pressure and palpitations.  As soon as I know more, I'll post.


    Hang in there, Mike. At least you're somewhere they can handle that sort of thing. Probably just an oil change. ;)

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  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,106
    Yes I hope you are getting good care. 
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,673
    the Omni certainly copied the look of the Rabbit, but was a unique design. The early ones though did use a borrowed engine (just the block I think). But that was not even a straight drag and drop.

    my folks had 2. An early one that had some early engine issues (used oil I think), For some reason, they replaced it with another one. I think the first was a 1.6l, and the 2nd was a 1.7l. The latter car was much better overall.'

    My wife when we got married had a 1984 (or 85) Horizon. Much "fancier" than the folks. Cloth seats instead of Vinyl, and an AT instead of the 4 speed sticks. Actually a pretty quick car with the 2.2l. And best one I have ever driven in the snow.

    only real problem I recall in the 3 years or so we owned it that I recall was a voltage regulator failing. Replaced that myself. Easy car to work on.

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,713
    abacomike said:

    Well, I am back in the hospital - low blood pressure and palpitations.  As soon as I know more, I'll post.

    Hope they get you set up this time for support after they dismiss you.



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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,713
    edited December 2015
    ab348 said:

    Hang in there, Mike. At least you're somewhere they can handle that sort of thing. Probably just an oil change. ;)

    @ab348
    But, Abacomike doesn't do oil changes. The last one he had was on a 1998 Model T or something like that.

    And here I've probably done 45 in 206,000 mi or more on my 2003 leSabre 3800 engine--darn GM's, just last and last: take a licking and keep on ticking, just like they said about the Timex watches back in the 80s.

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  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,106
    That said, when I saw my son at Thanksgiving he said the nice thing about his newer Impala was that he wasn't constantly replacing something as with his '98 LeSabre 
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  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,388
    Well, I am back in the hospital - low blood pressure and palpitations.  As soon as I know more, I'll post.
    Hope they get you set up this time for support after they dismiss you.
    It seems my heart is not pumping the way it should - pcv's or something like that.  Blood pressure pretty low.  Good thing the nurse finally visited me at home to do an evaluation and was not happy with my blood pressure - he called the paramedics.

    They are giving me nitroglycerine and morphine for pain.  They do an EKG every hour.

    Otherwise, everything is just "wonderful"! :worried: 

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,673
    you need a new PCV valve? Guess they should have replaced that while they had you in the shop.

    That was a car joke. Just some humor to cheer you up.

    Hopefully they can address whatever the immediate issue is and get you moving soon enough and back home.

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  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,388
    Hang in there, Mike. At least you're somewhere they can handle that sort of thing. Probably just an oil change. ;)
    @ab348 But, Abacomike doesn't do oil changes. The last one he had was on a 1998 Model T or something like that. And here I've probably done 45 in 206,000 mi or more on my 2003 leSabre 3800 engine--darn GM's, just last and last: take a licking and keep on ticking, just like they said about the Timex watches back in the 80s. Click picture to play video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NHq3Yze6s0
    No, I don't even know why people have to change the oil in their engines.  My oil lasts for as long as I own my car.

    My new car still has 28 or 29 miles on the odometer and it's 2 weeks old.  I just hope I can get better soon so I can enjoy the car.

    We've had 6 or 7 inches of rain the last two days.  I guess our drought is over. :smile: 

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  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,709
    edited December 2015
    Plymouth Horizon? Man, does that ever bring back memories. It was one of the cars I was eyeballing to get for my first new car. Didn't get one, I started eyeballing the late 80's Ford Festiva (made my Kia, yes) and Chevy Sprint.

    Our first new car (Mrs. and I) and my first new car, too, individually, was a 1994 Ford Escort station wagon. Decent car, we had a cracked exhaust manifold occur and it was replaced early on under the Ford Warranty. Traded that car with fairly low (80,000) miles on a gently used 1997 Ford Escort sedan in 1997. 10,000 miles on that sedan. Then, in May of 1999, we traded the '97 Escort sedan in on a '99 Kia Sephia sedan. And that began the "iluvmysephia1" era.

    But what started me down that memory lane was mention of the Plymouth Horizon. Seems the first edition model Horizon had a problem with burning oil or something to that effect, then it was fixed by Plymouth for the next model year Horizon, as was mentioned on this thread a few posts back.

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Cruised around in an Impala tonight with friends. Nice ride, even for a rental.

    Hang in there Mike!
  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,388
    stever said:
    Cruised around in an Impala tonight with friends. Nice ride, even for a rental. Hang in there Mike!
    I'm trying! :worried: 

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Posting at 1 am Eastern? Getting a lot of rest in the hospital I see :'(

    We're off to LA in a rental '14 Prius in the morning, going to take our time getting over to the coast. Should be a bit different from the minivan, and hopefully a lot easier to park.
  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,388
    edited December 2015
    Good morning everyone.  Didn't sleep too much last night.  I am still showing an occasional irregular heart rhythm, by the cardiologist isn't as concerned about that as he is with my blood pressure.  They reduced some medications to see if that helps.

    At least this stay is in the new wing with all private rooms.

    Have a good day, all! :smile: 

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    the cardiologist isn't as concerned about that as he is with my blood pressure. They reduced some medications to see if that helps
    Sounds like they can read the codes OK, to find out what is wrong. That's a good thing.
    Hang in there.

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,141
    edited December 2015
    My Dad had a Horizon and my mom it's sportier cousin an 85 Dodge Charger.  I remember them both being new and constantly broken.  My dad's was a stick and moms auto.  My moms even needed a head gasket under warranty and both of them the A/C died at least once .   I believe both of the were the 2.2 L.

      My dad got rid of his early on and had a Shelby Charger and then an 87 Shadow ES turbo (anyone remember those?).  Mom held onto the Charger until 93 or so when my Stepdad got her a 92 el strippo Caravan (which for some reason was bulletproof).  

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,141
    Private rooms are good!  I wouldn't be even a bit surprised if the BP is medication related.  You mentioned being on a bunch and it's very likely something is interacting in a bad way.  

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,673
    T, they got a lot of mileage out of that platform. I remember all those variations. Some weren't half bad looking!

    I agree that odds are MIke's current issues are Dr. induced. Seems that all the specialist throw meds at what interests them, and rarely does someone look "big picture". We ran into that with my mother when she was in the hospital. Came home with a dizzying array of pills. Took the list to her GP and he crossed about half off. Part (a big part) of the problem was some random doc put her on something temporarily to deal with a situation, but never stopped it when no longer needed.

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  • carnaughtcarnaught Member Posts: 3,588
    edited December 2015
    Mike, get well soon. Hopefully they're treating you well, and can get you out soon. Prevail upon social services to get you close continued monitoring once you're sprung from there.

    It's not likely Mike's PVC's are Dr. induced, or having meds thrown at him, yet there could be drug interactions between the blood thinner/cardiac meds. and the anti-virals. Unfortunately he's got two very different conditions that have to both be addressed.
  • carnaughtcarnaught Member Posts: 3,588
    edited December 2015
    Dodge Omni/Plymouth Horizon twins. Mrs. Carnaught had a red Omni way back when. Car was a great little workhorse and carried a good amount of cargo with the back seat down, loading readily through the hatchback. Car was reliable, sluggish and buzzy with a VW Wabbit engine, yet still fun.
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    tjc78 said:

    My Dad had a Horizon and my mom it's sportier cousin an 85 Dodge Charger.  I remember them both being new and constantly broken.  My dad's was a stick and moms auto.  My moms even needed a head gasket under warranty and both of them the A/C died at least once .   I believe both of the were the 2.2 L.

      My dad got rid of his early on and had a Shelby Charger and then an 87 Shadow ES turbo (anyone remember those?).  Mom held onto the Charger until 93 or so when my Stepdad got her a 92 el strippo Caravan (which for some reason was bulletproof).  

    85 Charger was actually a pretty smart looking little car in it's day.


    Talking about Omni's, Horizons, reminds me of Vegas, Falcons, Citations, Cimmerons, and a host of other cars that maybe helped the upstart foreign car makers to make inroads into North America.

    Anyone remember in the late 70s Ford wanted to make a more gas efficient car, so they made a smaller LTD called an LTD II. It was still enormous and heavy, but was supposed to be more fuel efficient. It had about all the worst styling cues any car could have including excess chrome and lots of lines and creases....plus enormous front end with not much interior room.


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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Wow... check out that front overhang.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,404
    carnaught said:


    It's not likely Mike's PVC's are Dr. induced, or having meds thrown at him, yet there could be drug interactions between the blood thinner/cardiac meds. and the anti-virals. Unfortunately he's got two very different conditions that have to both be addressed.


    I know I had a terrible time after my surgery finding the right cardiac drug that would work to regulate my heartbeat. Some didn't do anything at all for it, while others worked too well. I was on one that had my resting heartbeat at 40 or less and BP was dangerously low. The good news is that I no longer get PVCs very often whereas they used to be fairly common. PVCs can lead to lowered BP so I think this is just a matter of getting the meds dialed in. More of a tune-up than an oil-change. ;)

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  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,388
    ab348 said:
    It's not likely Mike's PVC's are Dr. induced, or having meds thrown at him, yet there could be drug interactions between the blood thinner/cardiac meds. and the anti-virals. Unfortunately he's got two very different conditions that have to both be addressed.
    I know I had a terrible time after my surgery finding the right cardiac drug that would work to regulate my heartbeat. Some didn't do anything at all for it, while others worked too well. I was on one that had my resting heartbeat at 40 or less and BP was dangerously low. The good news is that I no longer get PVCs very often whereas they used to be fairly common. PVCs can lead to lowered BP so I think this is just a matter of getting the meds dialed in. More of a tune-up than an oil-change. ;)
    I don't do tune-ups either! :smile: 

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,404
    abacomike said:


    I don't do tune-ups either! :smile: 


    Wait until they install the set of breaker points. ;)

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,713
    edited December 2015
    abacomike said:

    I don't do tune-ups either! :smile: 

    If they have to replace a sensor or other part, be sure it's covered under the bumper-to-bumper warranty.
    Hopefully, there are no outstanding recalls. Be sure to get a written receipt stating the complaints
    and the work that was done.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Should he ask for the old parts?
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,404
    driver100 said:


    Anyone remember in the late 70s Ford wanted to make a more gas efficient car, so they made a smaller LTD called an LTD II. It was still enormous and heavy, but was supposed to be more fuel efficient. It had about all the worst styling cues any car could have including excess chrome and lots of lines and creases....plus enormous front end with not much interior room.

    I well remember that in September of 1977, Dad really wanted to get out of his '75 Hornet Sportabout. Not exactly sure why, as I thought it wasn't a bad car. Maybe it needed some investment in tires and brakes or some such. It didn't take much for him back then to swap cars. He would have fit right in here. :)

    Anyway, I well remember him taking Mom and myself to the dealers. I think he was turned off AMC so we didn't go to that dealer. He probably could have been convinced to look at Volvo wagons but they were pretty pricey. So we went to the big 3 dealers.

    Drove a blue metallic Aspen SE wagon, nice enough, but neither of them liked it for whatever reason. GM didn't have anything but the brochure for the soon to be introduced LeMans wagon. And Ford didn't have either the new Fairmont wagon or even a brochure, but they did have a '77 LTD II Squire, dark red with woodgrain outside, red inside, that I remember driving. It was typical Ford of that era, numb steering, soft suspension, quiet and smooth. But it was really big, and had those battering-ram bumpers with body fillers big enough to set a dinner table setting on. They liked it well enough - I think they actually liked all the chrome and stuff outside - but coming out of the Sportabout it was just too big.

    He ended up buying a Grand LeMans Safari sight unseen for delivery on introduction day.

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  • henrynhenryn Member Posts: 4,289
    Mike, hang in there, we are all pulling for you. I am in agreement with the consensus here, they probably have you on too many different medications. I admit that I’m not a doctor, but I did watch one on TV once. Marcus Welby? Dr. Kildaire? Something like that!

    On the subject of Mustangs, older Mustangs with the older V6 engines. Back around 2008 or 2009 I purchased a used Mustang GT convertible. It was a 2001 Model, with the 4.6L V8 engine. It was in beautiful, garage kept condition, and had an aftermarket exhaust that made it sound really loud and tough. My wife (now ex) drove me over to pick it up, and on the way home I was getting frisky until my ex got impatient and blew the doors off my new Mustang GT with her Passat 2.0T. Rather embarrassing, actually.

    I didn’t keep that car for very long.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Grand Lemans Safari---that's a mouthful of rather unrelated concepts, I must say.
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594

    Grand Lemans Safari---that's a mouthful of rather unrelated concepts, I must say.

    That Leman's Safari was probably the best one of the bunch though. I think it looked like this.....

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  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356

    ab348 said:

    Hang in there, Mike. At least you're somewhere they can handle that sort of thing. Probably just an oil change. ;)

    @ab348
    But, Abacomike doesn't do oil changes. The last one he had was on a 1998 Model T or something like that.

    And here I've probably done 45 in 206,000 mi or more on my 2003 leSabre 3800 engine--darn GM's, just last and last: take a licking and keep on ticking, just like they said about the Timex watches back in the 80s.

    Click picture to play video
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  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    stickguy said:

    you need a new PCV valve? Guess they should have replaced that while they had you in the shop.

    That was a car joke. Just some humor to cheer you up.

    Hopefully they can address whatever the immediate issue is and get you moving soon enough and back home.

    A doctor was talking to his mechanic one day, and the mechanic said that he repaired cars the same way the doctor repaired people. The doc told him that the difference was that he had to do all his repairs while the engine was still running.

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342

    driver100 said:

    oldfarmer50">

    Several knowledgeable friends tell me the Jeep 3.7L engine is a lousy design not worth fixing. Hope that Penstar is better. Anyone know why they stopped using the in-line 6 in Jeeps. That thing was bulletproof.
    That reminds me, if anyone cares to comment. The old Chrysler slant 6 engines were supposed to last forever....and I recall Chrysler used it for many cars. It was a good engine in the Dart and Scamp, and other Chryslers, and those were good cars.

    Then they updated to bring out the Volare and Aspens and those cars were disasters. Completely unreliable. What went wrong?



    My recollection of early 70s cars was that they all had drivability problems and terrible build quality. The Volare got Chrysler in trouble with the NYS Attorney General who sued them for fenders that rusted. I remember because I used the AG's action as a club when Chrysler was slow to fix a problem with my Omni.

    Never understood the upset about rusting fenders since they all did that in the days when inner fenders were for luxury cars only. It was actually kind of cool to see rooster tails erupting through the front fenders on rainy days.


    Those were dark days for many cars as they were forced to install emission controls that those engines were never designed for. The slant sixes seemed to be especially affected by this. Thjey didn't "break" they just ran poorly. Even before the smog controls got so cumbersone, they always seemed to have trouble passing emission tests. they also weren't known for getting great mileage.

    Still, back in the time when most engines were shot before 100,000, a slant six was capable of going twice than many miles before needing an overhaul.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    The beauty of the Slant Six was its utter simplicity. You could fix that thing with tools from your fishing tackle box and a $50 gift card from Home Depot.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,673
    that blue wagon is the series that ended in 1977 (the "big" ones). the 78s were the first of the downsized models. I'm thinking that is what Abs folks got, if they ordered sight unseen.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    stickguy said:

    that blue wagon is the series that ended in 1977 (the "big" ones). the 78s were the first of the downsized models. I'm thinking that is what Abs folks got, if they ordered sight unseen.

    You are right stick...and I should have known. I bought a 78 Pontiac, used from a car rental company. The one I bought was a sedan. I never had a problem with it, it seemed fairly well made for the time, but, that 6 cylinder engine was pretty anemic.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,673
    pretty sure that one does not have a 231 CI V6 in it.

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