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Yes, Lincoln had a bustleback and so did Chrysler...I am not sure why!
This was interesting from curbsideclassic.com
There were innumerable milestones in GM’s terminal decline , but the Cadillac Seville makes for a very convenient set of markers. In its four incarnations as GM’s most expensive car, the Seville almost perfectly marks the trajectory of its parent company; from the haughty over-reach and cynical pricing of the first one in 1975, when GM’s market share was still around 45%, to the misguided attempts to create a world-class sports sedan of the last. But it was the second generation that really marked the turning point: the 1980′s were GM’s worst decade ever in terms of market share loss; and the Seville (along with that other DS, the Citation) kicked off that decade from hell in grand style: a near-perfect synthesis of wretched design and ruinous engineering. The halo car was now the devil’s pitchfork car.
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"Yes, Lincoln had a bustleback and so did Chrysler...I am not sure why!"
To compete with, what that thought to be, a "killer" style for the future. I must admit that I hated its looks and the ride was horrendous. My assistant superintendent drove a silver Seville and I had many opportunities to sit inside the car. It was rough running and was not a particularly comfortable.
It never was popular - but pricing limited it's popularity IIRC.
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What a saga. I didn't realize you were following the story so closely. Thanks for that. As Mike mentioned it would make for a good movie script but meanwhile it will be the subject for an interesting case study in business schools.
I've been following it as there are 6 Market Baskets within a 15 minute drive of my house. It's where I shop and I've wasted so much time wandering around Shaw's trying to do the weekly grocery run.
As a business case, it will be a great one. One doesn't often hear about employees walking off the job in support of a fired CEO. In the long run though, it will be interesting to see how T manages to deal with $1+ billion in debt while maintaining low prices and high pay.
A contingency plan should the sale fall through was announced by the company. They would close 61 of the 71 stores in order to reduce costs. I presume at that point they would consider selling real estate and then the smaller chain.
One business expert said that the tax liability on the sale is about $400 million tax liability. He felt that the sellers may be having second thoughts due to that.
1982 Continental " Bustle Back " The thief that ran a local gym I belonged to had one.
Yes they did. Not as extreme as the Seville.
http://www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Lincoln-Continental-fox.jpg
Chrysler's:
http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/3278/3221/33194110001_original.jpg
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
A guy who lives down the street from me owns one of these, mint. I think he was having problems with the air suspension last year as it was sitting funny, but that seems fixed now. I never liked these, even worse-looking than the Seville.
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Thanks for those, brought a smile to my face, those long forgotten models. The Lincoln is kind of nice, holds it's looks not too badly. The Imperial seems a little extreme, but, Chrysler takes more risks than most....some work (K Cars and mini vans) and some, hmmm, not so much (teardrop, some of those 1960 Dodges).
Does this design make any sense?

2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
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In seems as though the buyout deal is going to through, perhaps by the end of the day.
According to the Boston Globe, ...."If a deal is finally struck, Arthur S., his three sisters, and sister-in-law Rafaela Evans will get more than $1.5 billion for their ownership stake in Demoulas Super Markets Inc., the formal name of the business.
Arthur T. will own the company where he has worked all his life."
What a rip off, that's like only about $300million each.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I don't watch much entertainment TV but I really like Westerns. My wife always tapes "Longmire", and "Hell on Wheels" for me. Through Amazon Prime I am watching all the back episodes of "Deadwood". Good stuff.
Seems our taste in television is almost as diverse as our taste in vehicles (nothing useful to add to any conversations today
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No but the more extreme the style the more interesting it is 50 years later.
BTW, I like that 82 Chrysler Imperial too. Someone in my area had a low mile one for sale on CL for over a year with no takers. It was a 'Frank Sinatra' edition and came with several unopened bottles of champagne. It had under 80k miles and he only wanted $2500 last time I saw it. Needed a paint job which basically made it worthless.
Looked like this:
http://blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads//2014/01/SIA-1982Imperial_lede.jpg
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
That is nice looking and the champaigne alone would be worth the $2500 bucks.

2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
My friend who bought the 2014 white Audi SR4 asked about clear plastic protection for the front of his car. The Acura dealer we go to to have it put on told him not to bother with it - which was nice of them. They said on a white car it will yellow a bit and it will be noticeable. Also, some stones will penetrate it and you have to get the car painted anyway.
My Mercedes dealer wanted to put it on for $600. I called Acura and they will charge $300. But, I noticed a stone has penetrated the plastic and chipped the paint. This time I think I will do what the Acura dealer told my friend and not bother, if I get stone chips I'll just have it touched up.
There is a website drbeasleys.com who says the best thing to do is to wax the front of the car frequently, that will protect it just as much and won't discolor the finish.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Driver....I actually like both of those Chryslers. Good looking cars IMHO. Not sure how they stacked up in their generation of cars, but like the looks.
Research Xpel ultimate or Suntek films and you may be a bit surprised. They self heal from scratches, which I didn't believe until I saw it for myself, and they can take a punch. Plus they come in different widths, so if you want to cover an entire panel, you can. I've never had a modern film yellow on me, but have seen other brands do just that...cough3Mcough.
MB has great paint, though, and you live in Canada, so film probably isn't as necessary. Here in Colorado we're home to boulders, and I'm not talking about the city, but rather what road crews drop on the road. Clear films equate to survival for paint around here. Even my Venture Shield film was pierced, so I'll be installing Suntek or Xpel Ultimate on the new Outback after correcting the paint and applying a paint coating.
Just got my Consumer Reports today. (I know, many here don't like it). They proclaimed the new Mustang a hit, but also said it had a lower roofline and was a few inches wider. I was thinking about trading for a 2015 convertible, but that's out now as I only have 6 inches on each side going into the garage and am at max bending getting in/out as is. Thanks Ford for always thinking about the younger generation that can't afford a $40k car.
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
@mako1a, The 2015 Mustang is only 2 inches wider than the 2014. If you are considering a convertible, do what I do. Put the top down, install the tonneau cover, and only drive it when the weather is nice.
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
My Mustang is Oxford White and my Fusion is Deep Impact Blue. Not sure if black is the only convertible top color.
@tyguy, camping along the Rincon/Arkansas tonight, and I could use some film for the rain clouds. Interesting drive seeing all the "real" SUVs crusing along.
No more "Lime Green"?
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Thanks for the information Ty. I think I was lucky with the 535, the plastic film hasn't yellowed but you can see the line where it starts. I have never had film before and I am just going to take my chances.
If I lived in the North country or in a rural area, or in Colorado I would consider it for sure. I don't get that much gravel.......but, I thought maybe the bugs would come off the plastic easier. I don't think so. I like the idea of just waxing the front end more often, I can even put a layer of wax on the plastic parts.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Those colors are sort of meh. Two grays? I like the orange but the yellow looks too saturated. I don't see any color that makes me want to select it.
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Bugs have stuck to my clear film, too, and I even had a little acid etching from them before my last paint correction work. There are so many great waxes and sealants today that it's hard to choose. First I was a Klasse guy, then I switched to Zaino, and both delivered fantastic results. More recently I finished off my Zaino supplies and moved to another product, a coating that is harder than clear coat. No more waxing. You wipe it on and it forms a permanent bond that only polishing can remove. I'm amazed at the advancements the manufacturers are making in ease of application, durability, and gloss. Good stuff.
Funny how I totally dismiss CR car ratings until they give a good review of I car I want.
Put me down for a ruby red or triple yellow.
BTW, we were discussing Mustang trim levels a while back. mako1a mentioned items I'd miss with the base GT.
If I'm reading the Ford site correctly, all trim levels come with SYNC, rear camera and limited slip dif. That and the IRS explain the $1400 bump from the 14.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
I have been reading several articles about the plastic shield......most people aren't thrilled with it, a few like it. My current 535 is the only car I have used it on, but, I think I am going to go without it. Too many people getting swirls, cloudy affects, orange peel (which I suppose are little bumps), yellowing, and a line where the wax builds up.
I am really surprised that the garage where the film is put on told my friend not to put it on. That was nice of them...although he gets a fair amount of other work done there.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Sounds like amazing stuff. What's it's name? Is it available in stores or do you have to join a cult like Zaino?
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
I'm a fan of orange. But I see no more Grabber Blue. Kind of glad for that.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
I used to be a Zaino fanatic. But, there stuff got to be a bit too expensive for car wax/sealer/polish, whatever they want to call it these days.
Then, I went to Colinite. Again, good stuff, lasted a long time....finicky to use, though. Plus, it's not so easy to find.
I now use Klasse. It's easy to find. Relatively easy to use. Shines my car nicely. It lasts a long time. It checks all my requirements. I honestly don't see much, if any difference, using Klasse 2-3 times/year vs using Zaino once a month (or more).
That XPell stuff sounds interesting, though.
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Ha,ha. No cult, but you do have to be quick. The manufacturer just moved it to a pro-only product and released a more consumer version with less durability. I immediately ordered a couple of tubes for my Outback and family's cars. The stuff is called Optimum Opti-Coat 2.0. One 20cc tube will cover two vehicles. The new stuff is called Gloss-Coat, but I can't recommend it since it's brand new, untested, and less durable than the product it replaces. If you can't find Opti-Guard 2.0 since supplies will be dwindling fast, then the next best product will probably be CarPro Cquartz.
One thing about these new coatings: they lock in both imperfect paint and perfect paint. Before you apply the coating, make sure you're happy with the paint condition. Clay bar, Iron X, and blemish removal should be completed first. The last thing you'll do before applying the coating is to spray and wipe down the entire vehicle with a 15% isopropyl alcohol solution to remove all waxes, oils, and fillers so the coating can bond with the paint.
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Speaking of Zaino, I am looking for a fuel stabilizer. My SUV has arrived from Japan and since it will be garaged in St. Lucia for long periods of time (six months or more) I want to make sure the engine does Not seize up.
Don't know if being in the tropics makes a difference but sometimes there are periods of high humidity which may have a negative impact on a parked vehicle. Also, would you guys recommend disconnecting the battery while the vehicle is in deep sleep?
I can probably get someone to drive the vehicle every two weeks or so but I don't want that to be a Carte Blanche for driving my SUV into the ground. Wish me luck.
6 mos really isn't an issue as far as the engine or even gas is concerned. I've had cars sit for much longer with no ill effects. Is there an outlet you can use? A battery tender would be ideal.
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Perhaps one of the Sta-bil products would work. Battery disconnect would be good also
I use Sta-bil every winter in my Cutlass and it seems good. No issues.
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I have NEVER waxed the white 2003 CRV that we bought new and it shines like the day I brought it home after it's been washed.
My mechanic recommended the marine version of Stabil gas treatment but I just used the regular when I stored the Corvette and it worked fine.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
As far as car care products, I'm a huge fan of Griot's Garage. EVERY single product I've ever used from them works as advertised. The wheel cleaners, polish, wax, clay bar, leather conditioning spray, orbital, spray on wax, & speed shine (5 minute detail) are fantastic products.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
Thanks for the endorsement - I've got their latest catalog here on my desk and I've been contemplating ordering a few things from it.
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I find myself wondering if I am a fool for wanting a more expensive car, never having had one that was priced above $35K Cdn. I find myself daydreaming about a Mercedes E-class, maybe a coupe, maybe a sedan, and maybe even a 550. But I've never owned a car that expensive and I wonder about the issues:
Any insights?
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Which issue of CR? I just saw the September issue in the market and nothing about Mustangs?
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
This looks Great! The emblem in the middle of the grill is the
same as my '67 Mustang had. The horizontal accents really
make it look retro.
http://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/ford/mustang/2015/ns/2015_ford_mustang_det_ns_82814_600.jpg
The "older" new Mustangs don't show their age as much as
other cars when the changes from year-to-year happen. I
was at a Chick-Fil-A in West Chester today and a black GT
from several years back was burbling it's way around and to the
drive throughs. Really got my attention. Maybe I need to
get a Mustang to bring back my youth...
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Regarding your vehicle storage, here's how I store my watercraft during winter:
1. Add fuel stabilizer and run the motor so the stabilizer mixes through the entire fuel system. That's typically my last ride for the year.
2. Fog the motor with Sta-bil fogging oil. I spray some in the air intake with the filter removed while idling and just before shutting down the motor for the last time.
3. Remove each spark plug and spray fogging oil into the chamber, then add a little anti-seize to the threads and re-torque each plug to factory specs.
4. Spray some anti-corrosion film onto the metal motor components.
5. Fill the trailer tires to near max inflation to prevent flat spots.
6. Remove the battery and place it on a battery tender.
7. Open up all the compartments to dry them out and prevent humidity building up anywhere.
8. Store it in the garage.
9. Lubricate the linkages.
10. Seal the fiberglass and plastic. This year I'll be adding the paint coating instead.
Perhaps there are a few things that could carry over to storing a car in a humid environment for half a year. Good luck!
Yes to all those questions but go get it anyway. You can't fit much money inside a coffin.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Dings, dents and parking in the south forty depend on where you live and your neighbors. When I lived in Virginia Beach, dings were common. Especially if you parked next to a van full of kids. Here in a small town after 10 years I have zero dings/dents to show for parking close in. Parents actually teach their children to respect property of others and stop them from pushing the door open fully with full force. Thank you Wytheville parents.
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
"I find myself daydreaming about a Mercedes E-class, maybe a coupe, maybe a sedan, and maybe even a 550. But I've never owned a car that expensive and I wonder about the issues:"
Every issue you brought up is something I have thought about time-and-time-again. It is a realistic approach to determining whether or not to buy an expensive luxury car.
One option is to lease one - a 2014 leases very nicely right now due to incentives from Mercedes Benz - but I do not know how they are leasing in Canada. Right now, they are advertising an E350 sedan for $479 a month with $3500 down.
With leasing, you have limited liability - scratches and dents merely have to be repaired prior to turning the car in.
Also, there are maintenance plans for 1, 2, and 3 years and longer for much less than the actual costs without the plans. Also, there are extended warranty plans for up to 7 years through Mercedes Benz.
But you still have to replace brake pads, wiper blades and the like.
One thing that always bothers me are ping dents from other parked cars. I have a negligible ping on my right rear door at the body crease - only noticeable if looked at closely. But my dealer said it will not affect the trade value because it was so insignificant.
I have not had problems with vandalism in all the years I've owned BMW's and Mercedes Benz vehicles. As far as parking in lots, I do park as far away from other cars as I can - but I have handicap tags - so I usually park in wider spaces due to the tags.
I never worry about driving the car anywhere. If I owned a Rolls or a Bentley, I would have real problems driving many places and parking - but not with the E Class Mercedes.
Eventually, after owning a luxury car, your inhibitions eventually dissipate as you drive the car.
You only need regular maintenance on the Mercedes once a year - or every 10-12 thousand miles. There are 2 different services - the A service at 10-12 thousand miles and the B service at 20-24 thousand miles. All would be covered with a maintenance agreement which you might be able to negotiate with the purchase - throw a 3-year maintenance agreement in with the deal.
I certainly don't lose sleep over owning and driving a Mercedes Benz, and you won't either.
Whatever your decision, good luck!
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I like Adams quick detailer and just bought some of their Super V(inly)R(ubber)T(ire). Too bad I recently bought a big jug of car wash. I saw some Simple Green car wash and would like to try that.
When I put the Mustang away for the long winter, usually October to June, I wash it, change the oil, fill it with gas, put on the cover. That's it. Usually start and run it once during that period.
In this link you can see some Mustangs going down the assembly line and get a good idea of some of the colors. Interesting that there are a mix of Mustangs and Fusions.
finance.yahoo.com/video/ford-mustang-rolls-off-assembly-133113765.html
I drove a new 2013 GT with a six speed manual(mainly to get a $25 Visa card from Ford). My wife was terrified that I'd buy it all the spot. For some reason I was completely underwhelmed. A friend of mine at R&T opined that the only Mustang that could hold my interest would be a Boss 302, and I think that he is probably correct.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive