. I think it is crazy given that access to nearby shopping, medical care, hospitals and the like becomes more important as one gets older and this place is nowhere near anything, but it is their life, not mine. I'm not a fan of their country house - one can take only so much of looking at country-style decor from the 1930s and '40s - but they seem to like it. Whatever.
*We lived about 15 minutes outside of town on 100 acres. Moved into town because as we got older we may need an ambulance one day, I like to be around other people even if I don't actually want to talk to them all the time, we can go for a walk in the evening - there are street lights and sidewalks, we don't have to go 30 minutes round trip every time we need food, hardware or electronic item, sometimes we traveled into town 3 or 4 times a day-adds 2 hours round trips just to get to town, and I got tired of scenery and the sound of really loud crickets.
*The old cars....wow, if he can restore those they would be nice to have.
Road trip today about 2 hours out of town to a small town in the middle of nowhere, or close to it at least. The reason: my buddy the Oldsmobile devotee bought an old house there about 10 years ago that he and his wife are slowly restoring with the goal of leaving their beautiful mid-century suburban split-level here in town in a couple of years time. I think it is crazy given that access to nearby shopping, medical care, hospitals and the like becomes more important as one gets older and this place is nowhere near anything, but it is their life, not mine. I'm not a fan of their country house - one can take only so much of looking at country-style decor from the 1930s and '40s - but they seem to like it. Whatever.
Part of the reason for the trip as to see the "collection" of someone up there they met several years ago. I put the word in quotes because it is more of a hoarder's stash than a collection. A large storage building on a back road in town revealed piles and piles of junk - old furniture and appliances, lots of old store fixtures from the owner's previous life running a drug store, just all sorts of stuff, most of which belongs in a dumpster. It was packed in everywhere. Scattered among it were several vehicles, only one of which actually runs at the moment, a mid-80s Toyota Supra in decent condition. There was an absolutely gigantic motorhome that has sat in the building for 20 years. Probably would cost more to get it in usable order than it would be worth. A '63 Ford Galaxie 2-door hardtop, small-block V-8 with 20,000-some miles, rust-free and not on the road since 1977. Not the most desirable car but attractive enough in two-tone white over light blue metallic with a blue interior that looked near-perfect through the layer of dust that covered the car - there was junk packed in around it that prevented opening any doors. Then there was a '72 4-4-2 that has not been driven since the early '90s, obviously needs to be revived with fresh fluids, belts, hoses and cleaning/flushing as required - but totally rust-free with great original paint and interior, never abused, but just wasting away. Hopefully the engine is not stuck. The building is heated and appears secure but the whole thing was depressing. The owner is 73, currently in hospital recovering from a major farm accident that almost killed him, and will never get these things running. But he will never part with anything as per the hoarder mindset. Damn shame.
Sounds like some good finds for cars. Now you have to be very careful when you go through stuff like that. My grandparents were hoarders and after my grandfather died they went through all their stuff throwing away most of the stuff. They threw out a makeup compact, cheap and worthless, out of curiosity I opened it up and under the pad/applicator I found $10 in the form of 4 $2.50 indianhead gold pieces.
You really have to look at what you are throwing away.
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*We lived about 15 minutes outside of town on 100 acres. Moved into town because as we got older we may need an ambulance one day, I like to be around other people even if I don't actually want to talk to them all the time, we can go for a walk in the evening - there are street lights and sidewalks, we don't have to go 30 minutes round trip every time we need food, hardware or electronic item, sometimes we traveled into town 3 or 4 times a day-adds 2 hours round trips just to get to town, and I got tired of scenery and the sound of really loud crickets.
*The old cars....wow, if he can restore those they would be nice to have.
Part of this is the reality that they can sell their suburban house to fund not only the reno of the country place but also the construction of a large garage/shop for my car buddy, and maybe some additional old cars, though I dunno why you would want a whole collection. The more you have, the more work there is in keeping them up and the less time you have to drive and enjoy them.
The location is about an hour from the nearest hospital and supermarket/big-box shopping, and about a half-hour from any sort of smaller stores. It was OK driving up there today but coming home tonight in the dark on a misty/rainy night it was desolate and a bit much for me. I did not enjoy that drive.
@ab348, maybe you can suggest to your friends that they rent out their current house for a year or two while they enjoy the country. Then after moving all their junk to the new house, sell it completely furnished and move back to the old place. When they wonder why in the world they'd do something crazy like that, remind them of the hoarder's junk wasting away.
This is the weird part... the suburban house is beautifully furnished and the country place is slowly being filled with antiques and old furniture they are buying for there. I have no idea what they are going to do with all the existing house furniture. Selling it on our local Craigslist equivalent is not my idea of fun. Maybe an auction I suppose. But everything they have in the city is more appealing to me than all the semi-antique stuff I saw today. I think they will regret this eventually.
So the buyer sends me a text and is all frantic. She took the car in for an alignment (as the garage that finished the car for me recommended) and they tell her the air-ride is all messed up, doesn't hold air and the car can't be aligned.
Now I am not a fan of air-ride either, and never would have put it in the car had I been building it, but I know it holds air! The car drives fine in fact.
I am trying to help her out though and I get a hold of the original mechanic who worked on the car - great mechanic, bad business man. I am trying to figure out how hard and how much to revert back to original suspension.
He says he still has his garage, tools and most if not all the original parts and if she lets him keep the air-ride he will swap it out for free.
She was thrilled by that option, so I think I solved it for her and the car is 100% sold now.
Mikes blood tests came back OK for surgery. He will go in September 22nd. His brother will help him for a few days. Then 2 months of rest - no driving - and then 5 to 7 days of rehab.
I know we are all hoping for the best possible results.
Hey guys, it looks like our prayers are working so now is no time to stop.
jmonroe
I think our prayers are helping. Once Mike goes in I won't be able to contact him for awhile, but I will try to get news out as soon as possible.
Thanks for the update on Mike. Since I can no longer get in here as isellhondas I'm not posting anymore.
I do miss all of you.
Add me to the list of posters who don't want you to go. Who cares if you're isellhondas4 or isellhondas? I'm sure you're still getting the seniority discount on your dues, right?
Mikes blood tests came back OK for surgery. He will go in September 22nd. His brother will help him for a few days. Then 2 months of rest - no driving - and then 5 to 7 days of rehab.
I know we are all hoping for the best possible results.
Hey guys, it looks like our prayers are working so now is no time to stop.
jmonroe
I think our prayers are helping. Once Mike goes in I won't be able to contact him for awhile, but I will try to get news out as soon as possible.
Thanks for the update on Mike. Since I can no longer get in here as isellhondas I'm not posting anymore.
I do miss all of you.
Add me to the list of posters who don't want you to go. Who cares if you're isellhondas4 or isellhondas? I'm sure you're still getting the seniority discount on your dues, right?
Ditto!!!
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Mikes blood tests came back OK for surgery. He will go in September 22nd. His brother will help him for a few days. Then 2 months of rest - no driving - and then 5 to 7 days of rehab.
I know we are all hoping for the best possible results.
Hey guys, it looks like our prayers are working so now is no time to stop.
jmonroe
I think our prayers are helping. Once Mike goes in I won't be able to contact him for awhile, but I will try to get news out as soon as possible.
Thanks for the update on Mike. Since I can no longer get in here as isellhondas I'm not posting anymore.
I do miss all of you.
Don't go away. Without your mature perspective these guys are going to get pretty tired of my childish nonsense.
Seriously, I've enjoyed your commentary and miss having you around. Please reconsider.
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@ab348, maybe you can suggest to your friends that they rent out their current house for a year or two while they enjoy the country. Then after moving all their junk to the new house, sell it completely furnished and move back to the old place. When they wonder why in the world they'd do something crazy like that, remind them of the hoarder's junk wasting away.
This is the weird part... the suburban house is beautifully furnished and the country place is slowly being filled with antiques and old furniture they are buying for there. I have no idea what they are going to do with all the existing house furniture. Selling it on our local Craigslist equivalent is not my idea of fun. Maybe an auction I suppose. But everything they have in the city is more appealing to me than all the semi-antique stuff I saw today. I think they will regret this eventually.
Antiques aren't for everyone....some people love them, some people think of them as old junk. My wife was executor for an old friend, and she sent their antique furniture to an auction....a bad way to get rid of stuff, but, that is another story. Young people aren't interested in Stirling silver, silverware, crystal glass, old wood furniture and many more things......they like IKEA type stuff.
When we sold our home in the country, the kitchen was very modern, huge space, clean lines, latest fasucets, drop in stove (not seen much in those days), cupboards were modern clean and sleek. One potential person who saw it wasn't interested because it wasn't a country kitchen look.......guess she wanted rooster clock, dishes hanging everywhere, yellow wallpaper......everyone is different!
@ab348, maybe you can suggest to your friends that they rent out their current house for a year or two while they enjoy the country. Then after moving all their junk to the new house, sell it completely furnished and move back to the old place. When they wonder why in the world they'd do something crazy like that, remind them of the hoarder's junk wasting away.
This is the weird part... the suburban house is beautifully furnished and the country place is slowly being filled with antiques and old furniture they are buying for there. I have no idea what they are going to do with all the existing house furniture. Selling it on our local Craigslist equivalent is not my idea of fun. Maybe an auction I suppose. But everything they have in the city is more appealing to me than all the semi-antique stuff I saw today. I think they will regret this eventually.
Antiques aren't for everyone....some people love them, some people think of them as old junk. My wife was executor for an old friend, and she sent their antique furniture to an auction....a bad way to get rid of stuff, but, that is another story. Young people aren't interested in Stirling silver, silverware, crystal glass, old wood furniture and many more things......they like IKEA type stuff.
When we sold our home in the country, the kitchen was very modern, huge space, clean lines, latest fasucets, drop in stove (not seen much in those days), cupboards were modern clean and sleek. One potential person who saw it wasn't interested because it wasn't a country kitchen look.......guess she wanted rooster clock, dishes hanging everywhere, yellow wallpaper......everyone is different!
One thing about antiques is that they are strongly affected by the economy, a good economy with people having a lot of disposable income then antiques sell a lot better. But with a bad economy where people have little disposable income people opt for less expensive alternatives.
Right now the number one reason young people want IKEA is that it's cheap and easy to get.
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When we were younger and starting out furnishing our first house, we did it by attending estate auctions. Got our entire bedroom set for $25. Granted, it was not nice stuff, but it lasted us about 7-8 years until we could afford what we really wanted (which is NOT ikea).
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Was in Pittsburgh yesterday for the Steelers-Bengals game. Yes, it rained. No, we didn't finish bulding that ark
But saw one of the self-driving Uber vehicles go by. It was very close to the stadium and people and vehicles were going in every direction, so I'm not certain if the person behind the wheel was in "manual" mode or not, but given how many people were dashing across the streets in all directions, I suspect they were.
I don't think that autonomous vehicles are going to to be the norm anytime soon, but I think I know what the next reason someone's going to give to keep pushing them. I'd bet that someone, somewhere is going to say that self-driving cars will allow senior citizens to retain their mobility once they shouldn't be driving anymore.
RB....how willing is Swope to do skinny deals on BMWs, say a 2, 3 or 4 series?
It's now BMW of Louisville; the Swope dealer group was bought by AMSI. They would probably be willing to really deal on any of the 2016 cars- but advertised discounts run anywhere from $1600-$5000 depending on the model.
Wow....I didn't know that. Thanks for the info. Just toying with the idea....not really looking. But, if I were going to pull the trigger, it would be for a '16, given they are being "discounted" and the longer warranty (compared to the '17s).
I'd take a pretty big hit on my CTS, too. And, it's running/driving very well.
Craig...would hate to see you go. Regardless of your moniker, still love to read your posts. Stick around. Don't let a simple forum name change bother you....please!
OF....lady with the $1,000 van. If she's happy with $1,000, you are happy with the $1,000, I don't see any down side here. Leave her the cash, and take the gelato.
RB....how willing is Swope to do skinny deals on BMWs, say a 2, 3 or 4 series?
It's now BMW of Louisville; the Swope dealer group was bought by AMSI. They would probably be willing to really deal on any of the 2016 cars- but advertised discounts run anywhere from $1600-$5000 depending on the model.
Wow....I didn't know that. Thanks for the info. Just toying with the idea....not really looking. But, if I were going to pull the trigger, it would be for a '16, given they are being "discounted" and the longer warranty (compared to the '17s).
I'd take a pretty big hit on my CTS, too. And, it's running/driving very well.
Craig...would hate to see you go. Regardless of your moniker, still love to read your posts. Stick around. Don't let a simple forum name change bother you....please!
OF....lady with the $1,000 van. If she's happy with $1,000, you are happy with the $1,000, I don't see any down side here. Leave her the cash, and take the gelato.
Or, something to think about.........Buy the van for $1000, if you think it was a good buy after a month or two you could give her a nice thank you - $100 or $200!
But saw one of the self-driving Uber vehicles go by. It was very close to the stadium and people and vehicles were going in every direction, so I'm not certain if the person behind the wheel was in "manual" mode or not, but given how many people were dashing across the streets in all directions, I suspect they were.
But saw one of the self-driving Uber vehicles go by. It was very close to the stadium and people and vehicles were going in every direction, so I'm not certain if the person behind the wheel was in "manual" mode or not, but given how many people were dashing across the streets in all directions, I suspect they were.
Isell already has 3 accounts - I think it's an issue on his end...
IKEA is fun but the closest one is 350 miles away so I never get to go to them. My mom was a big antiquer and burned me out on most of the old stuff, including "antique" cars.
Someone mentioned I should cancel my Sirius Radio since my car has been destroyed. I called today and they were very accommodating, compared to the way they were in the early days....very untrustworthy! I hope they really can be trusted now. Here is what they will do.......my subscription is good to May 15 2017. They will put my account on hold for max of 90 days. Just before the 90 days, on Dec 19, I call and hold the account for 90 days again. About that time I should have my new car with 6 months free Sirius. I keep my subscription on hold until the 6 months free are up, then they will use the money in my account toward a new subscription when the old one is over.......hopefully that will be at a sane reduced rate...not their full MSRP.
Thanks for reminding me to look into that....hate for it to keep gioing and then automatically get renewed for full price in May, for a car that isn't on the road.
Isell already has 3 accounts - I think it's an issue on his end...
IKEA is fun but the closest one is 350 miles away so I never get to go to them. My mom was a big antiquer and burned me out on most of the old stuff, including "antique" cars.
In the case of the folks I visited, the wife is in her mid- to late 40s, much younger than her husband who is in his early 60s. She is the one who drives the antique lifestyle as she is a huge fan of the Laura Ingalls Wilder "Little House on the Prairie" books. This place seems to be largely modeled on that image. What struck me was the use of very dark, somber colors in all the rooms. Combined with the dark furniture and the antique lighting the place seemed really gloomy to me. I don't get it.
You start your post backtracking on what you said that I replied to, you spent most of your post simply confirming that what I said was correct. Outside of avoiding speed traps there is no legitimate reason to own a radar detector. That it makes you aware that traffic might (read might) slow down a head of you when you hear the detector go off is simply nonsense. Traffic could slow down for all manners of things, objects in the road, pot holes, officers without speed radar sitting on the side of the road, a pretty girl walking down the street, any type of activity, I have even seen it due to someone trying to get away from two ducks having marital relations. You prepare for traffic suddenly slowing down by following at a proper distance, keeping a reasonable speed and keeping aware of whats happening on the road as far down as you can. If you are doing those you are being safe and don't need a radar detector to be safe, if you need the radar detector to be safer then you're not driving safe.
I suppose if you are driving safe enough to avoid having collisions over the long term "more safe" is of little value. I'll concede that, but I'd still like more information sooner rather than later as a driver.
As for an officer having someone pulled over making it less safe there is a great solution to that, don't speed.
You failed to address the problem of innocent drivers being pulled over, or driver's that are pulled over in a case of mistaken identity (such as when two cars of the same color get confused; and the slower moving car is the one that gets pulled over). I find that moving my car to the right lanes is more effective than slowing down by itself. The officer will often assume the vehicle in the left "fast" lane is the speeding vehicle. Radar is not selective, it just tells him someone or some object might have been going over the speed limit, it doesn't tell him which car.
As for you forming an opinion AFTER studying the issue, I seriously doubt that. Did you look at all the facts on the issue? If you did you wouldn't have made some of the laughable comments that you have. I used to have the same train of thought that you have, then to support what I was saying I studied all aspects of the issue and found that I was really fooling myself. You know what really did it for me? It was after the eliminated the 55MPH limit. When that happened all the arguments that the "speed demons" like use used to discredit the supporters of the 55 MPH now could be used to discredit the "speed demons".
We must live in alternate realities because every study I've looked at regarding the change away from 55 MPH shows that safety rates improved after the lifting of the insanely low 55 federal speed limit. When you get past the fluff and wildly incorrect assumptions of a couple studies backed by the Insurance companies you'll come to realize this. You have to look past the recession that lowered miles traveled during the 55 time-frame used by a couple unscrupulous studies. More importantly, and I think everyone here will agree with me, that over the last 25 years since the repeal of 55 pretty much every year (with very few exceptions like the last 2 years) has shown a significant improvement with lower traffic fatality and accident rates. I know it doesn't seem like it at times, but things have improved dramatically. Cherry-picking one year versus another is dishonest at best, something I'd never resort to; Look at the trend over the long term.
I deal with people like you all the time, you give discredited "facts", restate others arguments to try to discredit them and go on personal attacks on those that disagree with you simply because you cannot address the argument.
I haven't resorted to personal attacks. I simply show the absurdity of your arguments, and you get upset at that fact.
Quoting a wise man "it's not the speed that kills you, it is the stopping that gets you."
Rapid deceleration kills, not speed.
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Yeah, isell, stick around. We all know who you are
Re: antiques, I wouldn't put my money in anything but high quality items. I'll wager younger people today won't become collectors as they age, in nearly the same numbers as generations past. They just don't care. They have no connection to the stuff, and don't like clutter. Stuff like depression glass and most art pottery, heavy oak furniture etc, is already stagnant or deflating, often worth less than it was 20 years ago. Ebay and other online selling has also helped, allowing people to find things now rather than hunt antique malls and auctions for that perfect piece. My parents were hobbyist antique dealers, and sometimes made a good secondary income when I was a kid - I don't think it would be possible today.
Possible exceptions to deflating collectibles might be toys, quality art, good vintage electronics, etc.
@oldfarmer50, can you verify the extent of what I post below?
Has anyone seen the national news where there is an almost epidemic of drivers not stopping for school buses when they stop to unload students. The segment I saw on local CBS and national news last night showed two students being hit by pickup trucks as they crossed the street after getting off the school bus. Fortunately neither boy was seriously hurt which is amazing especially given the speed of the pickup that hit the second boy. As a result of this epidemic more and more states are going to install cameras to get the license number of the offending vehicles and issue tickets. The report said that this not stopping for a school bus happens many many thousands of times a year across the country.
All of the southern states other than Florida have authorized and/or have installed the cameras. There are a handful of other states across the country that are doing this but the South is very unified about this.
Now listen to this one, there are people who want to fight this because they say it is nothing more than a money grab by the school districts. After what we have been exposed to about speeding tickets here for about a month, I'm not surprised.
jmonroe
I am not surprised either, now when will we hear that the cameras violate people constitutional rights?
The Constitutional rights will be violated when innocent owners of vehicles not only get falsely accused but presumed guilty by mailed-in photo/camera tickets. A used car buyer that forgot to register their purchase with the DMV. A thief that stole the car and committed the violation using the victim's vehicle.
Our criminal justice system has always held people personally responsible for their crimes, Civil court might be different, but we really can't be blaming the car when we don't know who committed the crime beyond a reasonable doubt based on that information.
Otherwise we might as well blame the manufacturer for building the car in the first place that led to the violation being committed. Blame gun manufacturers for someone else pulling the trigger.
I don't want the US to go down that road.
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We did wind up with two circa 1905 dressers from Parral, Chihuahua, as verified by the prior owners who hooked up with the Antiques Roadshow. They came with the house. You can't really tell the difference between them and the new stuff that gets hauled up here from Juárez though.
They remind me a lot of sedans that way - I can't tell them apart either.
Road trip today about 2 hours out of town to a small town in the middle of nowhere, or close to it at least. The reason: my buddy the Oldsmobile devotee bought an old house there about 10 years ago that he and his wife are slowly restoring with the goal of leaving their beautiful mid-century suburban split-level here in town in a couple of years time. I think it is crazy given that access to nearby shopping, medical care, hospitals and the like becomes more important as one gets older and this place is nowhere near anything, but it is their life, not mine. I'm not a fan of their country house - one can take only so much of looking at country-style decor from the 1930s and '40s - but they seem to like it. Whatever.
Part of the reason for the trip as to see the "collection" of someone up there they met several years ago. I put the word in quotes because it is more of a hoarder's stash than a collection. A large storage building on a back road in town revealed piles and piles of junk - old furniture and appliances, lots of old store fixtures from the owner's previous life running a drug store, just all sorts of stuff, most of which belongs in a dumpster. It was packed in everywhere. Scattered among it were several vehicles, only one of which actually runs at the moment, a mid-80s Toyota Supra in decent condition. There was an absolutely gigantic motorhome that has sat in the building for 20 years. Probably would cost more to get it in usable order than it would be worth. A '63 Ford Galaxie 2-door hardtop, small-block V-8 with 20,000-some miles, rust-free and not on the road since 1977. Not the most desirable car but attractive enough in two-tone white over light blue metallic with a blue interior that looked near-perfect through the layer of dust that covered the car - there was junk packed in around it that prevented opening any doors. Then there was a '72 4-4-2 that has not been driven since the early '90s, obviously needs to be revived with fresh fluids, belts, hoses and cleaning/flushing as required - but totally rust-free with great original paint and interior, never abused, but just wasting away. Hopefully the engine is not stuck. The building is heated and appears secure but the whole thing was depressing. The owner is 73, currently in hospital recovering from a major farm accident that almost killed him, and will never get these things running. But he will never part with anything as per the hoarder mindset. Damn shame.
That's a place to hover around until the horder expires and then swoop in with a low ball offer on the Galaxie and the 442.
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So the buyer sends me a text and is all frantic. She took the car in for an alignment (as the garage that finished the car for me recommended) and they tell her the air-ride is all messed up, doesn't hold air and the car can't be aligned.
Now I am not a fan of air-ride either, and never would have put it in the car had I been building it, but I know it holds air! The car drives fine in fact.
I am trying to help her out though and I get a hold of the original mechanic who worked on the car - great mechanic, bad business man. I am trying to figure out how hard and how much to revert back to original suspension.
He says he still has his garage, tools and most if not all the original parts and if she lets him keep the air-ride he will swap it out for free.
She was thrilled by that option, so I think I solved it for her and the car is 100% sold now.
Swapping out the Lincoln's air ride for regular suspension cost me $1080.
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Can anyone find me a PRO-55 MPH Federal Speed Limit Study that doesn't use hilarious lines like this to justify their factually objectively incorrect subjective viewpoints (I took the 3 bullet point lines below from a very biased pro-55 speed limit study done on the repeal of the 55 speed limit by the government):
1) The decline in the number of MVC deaths for 1998 was unanticipated. (MVC = motor vehicle crash) 2) We found that the largest increases in fatalities on urban interstates occurred in states that maintained a 55-mph speed limit. Speed spillover from higher-speed roads is a plausible explanation for this finding. 3) We considered several aspects of the fatality data in choosing our statistical methods: (1) the data involved counts of absolute numbers rather than rates,
HAHAHAHAHAH at #2. Don't like the data, make up ludicrous theories explaining it away.....
#3 - Oh GEEZE!, I really wonder why they don't use rates, and just resort to absolute numbers. Could it be that using the rates doesn't fit their pre-conceived conclusions???
[non-permissible content removed] Anyone looking at these studies in depth will clearly see and even smell something something is rotten.
I like studies that just give the hard objective data and don't make a bunch of wild highly unlikely to be correct assumptions, premises, excuses, and biases to explain away the numbers that don't agree with their conclusion.
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Swapping out the Lincoln's air ride for regular suspension cost me $1080.
A friend of mine had a '98 Continental. He really liked that car. When one of his suspension air bags burst he said it really scared him as it was a loud boom. He replaced it with another air bag to soon after have another one blow. The car was traded, pronto. In retrospect he said he wished he had converted to regular springs and kept the car.
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I'd trust professional drivers (Truckers) far more with driving rules and regulations than I would ignorant stupid overpaid government bureaucrats to set transportation and traffic policy.
I read the article and it only mentioned "more than 150 truckers" meaning barley over 150, and those truckers were independent truckers. There was no mention about anyone representing the trucker industry or organized groups of truckers. Just a few independent truckers. Note that the suggested speeds that the so called governors would limit trucks to are typical speeds that the vast majority of truckers now drive.
the most telling part of this article is the comment "Truckers also want to travel as far as they can in the hours they’re allowed to drive under federal rules." makes it apparent that this isn't about safety but that these truckers want to make more money by driving faster.
Uh, you don't think self-preservation for ones own safety is a motivator? I do.
Sure, they want to make more money too, but only at acceptable safety risk. These same truckers wouldn't approve a vote for 100 MPH minimums either.
The problem with speed governors is it takes away the driver's ability to maneuver in an emergency situation. If you are at the limit of your governor, you can now only slow down your speed, rather than having the option to speed up or slow down. You basically take away half of your options in relation to speed. Not to mention the problem with passing other vehicles without becoming a rolling traffic blockade and impediment.
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Someone mentioned I should cancel my Sirius Radio since my car has been destroyed. I called today and they were very accommodating, compared to the way they were in the early days....very untrustworthy! I hope they really can be trusted now. Here is what they will do.......my subscription is good to May 15 2017. They will put my account on hold for max of 90 days. Just before the 90 days, on Dec 19, I call and hold the account for 90 days again. About that time I should have my new car with 6 months free Sirius. I keep my subscription on hold until the 6 months free are up, then they will use the money in my account toward a new subscription when the old one is over.......hopefully that will be at a sane reduced rate...not their full MSRP.
Thanks for reminding me to look into that....hate for it to keep gioing and then automatically get renewed for full price in May, for a car that isn't on the road.
It sounds like you have the automatic renewal subscription thing. If you do you should cancel that feature ASAP.
I have had Sirius since 2009 and I have never opted for that automatic thing. I have them send me a bill after I tell them I'll cancel if they don't give me the past years rate and I do this for both cars every year at different times because of when the cars were purchased. There is a 2 dollar fee to have the bill sent but I would rather pay the billing fee than try to unwind an automatic charge that hits my credit card every year at the full pop rate.
FWIW, I think their customer service is better today than years ago but I never really had a problem with there old people; it's just that they seem to be more accommodating the last few years.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
This is probably the most middle of the road least biased and straight-forward analysis of the effect of the repeal of the National 55 MPH speed limit that I've found:
This guy really presents both sides in a fair manner.
My favorite parts (#1 & #2 go back to cherry-picking studies caught red-handed, while #4 is important to discrediting previous contrary and faulty studies, #5 is a big gov't oops):
1) Following the federally imposed limit of 1974, the largest single-year decline in highway deaths occurred, indicating that the federal law had a significant, negative affect on the fatality rate. It is worthy to note however, that the effects were short-lived, presumably due to the lower propensity for drivers to take long trips, especially on those roads where fatalities are measured most fervently (Cook, 1995).
2) Third, analysis has determined that those rises brought by the 1987 intervention (when 65 was allowed) were short-lived (Chang, Chen, & Carter, 1993), The Evolution and Devolution of Speed Limit Law and the Effect on Fatality Rates 511 and fell back to pre-65mph levels as soon as 1990 (Cook, 1995).
3) The fifth area of the findings concerns the possibility that raising the speed limits actually led to a lower fatality rate. Michener and Tighe (1992) found that, when considering number of miles driven on all highways, speed is negatively, but not significantly, related to fatality rates.
4) The seventh and final finding seems to hold the most promise for future research on the effects of speed limits, and may help explain the variation in the aforementioned conclusions. Lave (1985; Lave & Elias, 1997) has asserted that to study the effects of changes in speed limits on fatality rates, one is remiss simply to examine those roads that are directly affected by the change; interstates with increased limits are not independent from other roads, as the decision calculus of drivers in route selection and driving behavior take into consideration several factors, including the trade-offs of time traveled, possible traffic law enforcement, and road safety in planning their trip. The lure of a safer, faster road will draw drivers off the two-lane highways and country roads where the fatality rate is historically three times higher than on rural interstates. Lave provided persuasive evidence for the lure of the interstate, and the vehicle miles traveled since 1987 has grown 1.62 times faster on the rural interstates in the 65mph states than in states with the 55mph, and additionally, those rural interstates with 65mph limits saw a growth rate in vehicle miles traveled 1.73 times faster than other roads within those particular states. Thus, to view the effects of speed limit change, the proper focus is the system-wide effects (all roads within a state), rather than measuring solely the effects on those stretches where the limits have been raised. When employing system-wide, state-by-state analysis on the effects of the 1987 limit devolution, Lave noted that fatality rates fell overall in the first year, but were not equally distributed. The fatality rate in 1987 fell 4.68% on average in states with the new 65mph limit, but was unchanged in other states. The following year, the rate fell 1.55% in the 65mph states, 2.55% in other states. When the change in the rate for the two years is combined, the results indicated a difference of 3.62%, the 65mph states enjoying a sharper decrease in the fatality rate than in states retaining the 55mph limit. When analyzing the effects on each individual state, Lave and Elias noted that, among states that increased their maximum legal speed, states that enjoyed a decrease in the fatality rate outnumbered those that suffered an increase by three to one.
5) our knowledge of the 1995 act’s impacts are quite sparse. The DOT, upon passage of the statute, predicted that up to 6,400 more lives per year would be lost on the nation’s highways, a prediction that under initial analysis seems quite overstated. The actual increase in 1996 was 109 (the total being 41,907), a statistically insignificant increase (Cook, 1997). Montana, the focus of much attention due to its enactment of no specific daytime automobile speed limit, saw a decrease of fatalities, from 215 in 1995 to 200 in 1996.
'18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
We did wind up with two circa 1905 dressers from Parral, Chihuahua, as verified by the prior owners who hooked up with the Antiques Roadshow. They came with the house. You can't really tell the difference between them and the new stuff that gets hauled up here from Juárez though.
They remind me a lot of sedans that way - I can't tell them apart either.
We still have our antique bedroom set which we bought new from Montgomery Wards in 1968. That thing must be worth a fortune by now. It's in one of the guest rooms, built of solid wood, and apparently it will never wear out.
Thanks for the kind words. You are hearing frustration out of me. For, literally twenty years I have been isellhondas and now I can no longer log in under that name. A moderator walked me through the problem a few months ago and I just hate to ask again. I will probably become a part time lurker although I have to say I really miss this place and all of you.
Whaddaya think, gang, if this ridiculous speeding debate keeps up here, should we just change the title of the forum and move over to another one where that is off-topic and not to be discussed ad nauseum?
My above post was really long, so here is the short version and summary conclusion quoted/copied and pasted from link above written by Robert O. Yowell:
The estimated effects reveal that the assertion that speed kills, and more speed kills more is mostly unfounded. The model employed does not allow me to reject faithfully the null hypothesis that raising the speed limit in the examined states had no effect on fatality rates, adjusting for several factors. Table 2 organizes the results of Table 1 by resulting speed limit, revealing no visible correlation between state speed limit and its effect on fatality rate. Given the inquiry here, there is no widespread positive relationship between raising the speed limit and fatality rate.
And another gov't oops!:
....It is worthy to note that repeal proponents cite a factually false report by the NHTSA, which exaggerated the Autobahn fatality rate, as ammunition against the repeal. The NHTSA has since apologized for the issuance of the information,.......
For those that like to read in a book style format, here's another good one:
Accident risk is not linear to speed increases but as absolute speed increases, so does accident risk probability.
Bottom line, the faster you go, the less time to react, and the greater the force with which you hit something.
I would re-write that for accuracy.
Absolute speed increases (at least in the US) do not show correlated accident risk probability.
However, your second line is fair, IF you hit something, you are more likely to hit it with greater force if you are going faster.
The real-world and driving psychology play a major factor. Also, speed differentials greatly outweigh absolute speed in their importance. It is the relative speed differentials that are being shown to be far more statistically significant.
For example, studies fail to show that going from 65 to 75 is any more dangerous than States that went from 55 to 65 (same 10 MPH delta, but greater absolute speed).
'18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
That might not bode well for value, if they just left it in the house rather than going to the trouble of moving it
Antiques are a better deal than buying new, as you might still get a bit of your investment back 30 years later, but I think the price wave for old timey furniture has crested - just as it has for common cars before the mid 50s, which are also slowly shrinking in value.
We did wind up with two circa 1905 dressers from Parral, Chihuahua, as verified by the prior owners who hooked up with the Antiques Roadshow. They came with the house. You can't really tell the difference between them and the new stuff that gets hauled up here from Juárez though.
They remind me a lot of sedans that way - I can't tell them apart either.
Thanks for the kind words. You are hearing frustration out of me. For, literally twenty years I have been isellhondas and now I can no longer log in under that name. A moderator walked me through the problem a few months ago and I just hate to ask again. I will probably become a part time lurker although I have to say I really miss this place and all of you.
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*The old cars....wow, if he can restore those they would be nice to have.
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2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
You really have to look at what you are throwing away.
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The location is about an hour from the nearest hospital and supermarket/big-box shopping, and about a half-hour from any sort of smaller stores. It was OK driving up there today but coming home tonight in the dark on a misty/rainy night it was desolate and a bit much for me. I did not enjoy that drive.
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So the buyer sends me a text and is all frantic. She took the car in for an alignment (as the garage that finished the car for me recommended) and they tell her the air-ride is all messed up, doesn't hold air and the car can't be aligned.
Now I am not a fan of air-ride either, and never would have put it in the car had I been building it, but I know it holds air! The car drives fine in fact.
I am trying to help her out though and I get a hold of the original mechanic who worked on the car - great mechanic, bad business man. I am trying to figure out how hard and how much to revert back to original suspension.
He says he still has his garage, tools and most if not all the original parts and if she lets him keep the air-ride he will swap it out for free.
She was thrilled by that option, so I think I solved it for her and the car is 100% sold now.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Seriously, I've enjoyed your commentary and miss having you around. Please reconsider.
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When we sold our home in the country, the kitchen was very modern, huge space, clean lines, latest fasucets, drop in stove (not seen much in those days), cupboards were modern clean and sleek. One potential person who saw it wasn't interested because it wasn't a country kitchen look.......guess she wanted rooster clock, dishes hanging everywhere, yellow wallpaper......everyone is different!
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Right now the number one reason young people want IKEA is that it's cheap and easy to get.
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'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
But saw one of the self-driving Uber vehicles go by. It was very close to the stadium and people and vehicles were going in every direction, so I'm not certain if the person behind the wheel was in "manual" mode or not, but given how many people were dashing across the streets in all directions, I suspect they were.
I don't think that autonomous vehicles are going to to be the norm anytime soon, but I think I know what the next reason someone's going to give to keep pushing them. I'd bet that someone, somewhere is going to say that self-driving cars will allow senior citizens to retain their mobility once they shouldn't be driving anymore.
Just sayin'
I'd take a pretty big hit on my CTS, too. And, it's running/driving very well.
So, kicking around ideas.
Thanks!
OF....lady with the $1,000 van. If she's happy with $1,000, you are happy with the $1,000, I don't see any down side here. Leave her the cash, and take the gelato.
Just a thought! I do miss you around here!
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
But to keep Isell posting, I suggest logging in after creating a new name
such as Isoldhondas or IsellhondasB4.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
IKEA is fun but the closest one is 350 miles away so I never get to go to them. My mom was a big antiquer and burned me out on most of the old stuff, including "antique" cars.
Thanks for reminding me to look into that....hate for it to keep gioing and then automatically get renewed for full price in May, for a car that isn't on the road.
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I suppose if you are driving safe enough to avoid having collisions over the long term "more safe" is of little value. I'll concede that, but I'd still like more information sooner rather than later as a driver.
As for an officer having someone pulled over making it less safe there is a great solution to that, don't speed.
You failed to address the problem of innocent drivers being pulled over, or driver's that are pulled over in a case of mistaken identity (such as when two cars of the same color get confused; and the slower moving car is the one that gets pulled over). I find that moving my car to the right lanes is more effective than slowing down by itself. The officer will often assume the vehicle in the left "fast" lane is the speeding vehicle. Radar is not selective, it just tells him someone or some object might have been going over the speed limit, it doesn't tell him which car.
As for you forming an opinion AFTER studying the issue, I seriously doubt that. Did you look at all the facts on the issue? If you did you wouldn't have made some of the laughable comments that you have. I used to have the same train of thought that you have, then to support what I was saying I studied all aspects of the issue and found that I was really fooling myself. You know what really did it for me? It was after the eliminated the 55MPH limit. When that happened all the arguments that the "speed demons" like use used to discredit the supporters of the 55 MPH now could be used to discredit the "speed demons".
We must live in alternate realities because every study I've looked at regarding the change away from 55 MPH shows that safety rates improved after the lifting of the insanely low 55 federal speed limit. When you get past the fluff and wildly incorrect assumptions of a couple studies backed by the Insurance companies you'll come to realize this. You have to look past the recession that lowered miles traveled during the 55 time-frame used by a couple unscrupulous studies. More importantly, and I think everyone here will agree with me, that over the last 25 years since the repeal of 55 pretty much every year (with very few exceptions like the last 2 years) has shown a significant improvement with lower traffic fatality and accident rates. I know it doesn't seem like it at times, but things have improved dramatically. Cherry-picking one year versus another is dishonest at best, something I'd never resort to; Look at the trend over the long term.
I deal with people like you all the time, you give discredited "facts", restate others arguments to try to discredit them and go on personal attacks on those that disagree with you simply because you cannot address the argument.
I haven't resorted to personal attacks. I simply show the absurdity of your arguments, and you get upset at that fact.
Quoting a wise man "it's not the speed that kills you, it is the stopping that gets you."
Rapid deceleration kills, not speed.
Re: antiques, I wouldn't put my money in anything but high quality items. I'll wager younger people today won't become collectors as they age, in nearly the same numbers as generations past. They just don't care. They have no connection to the stuff, and don't like clutter. Stuff like depression glass and most art pottery, heavy oak furniture etc, is already stagnant or deflating, often worth less than it was 20 years ago. Ebay and other online selling has also helped, allowing people to find things now rather than hunt antique malls and auctions for that perfect piece. My parents were hobbyist antique dealers, and sometimes made a good secondary income when I was a kid - I don't think it would be possible today.
Possible exceptions to deflating collectibles might be toys, quality art, good vintage electronics, etc.
Our criminal justice system has always held people personally responsible for their crimes, Civil court might be different, but we really can't be blaming the car when we don't know who committed the crime beyond a reasonable doubt based on that information.
Otherwise we might as well blame the manufacturer for building the car in the first place that led to the violation being committed. Blame gun manufacturers for someone else pulling the trigger.
I don't want the US to go down that road.
They remind me a lot of sedans that way - I can't tell them apart either.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Swapping out the Lincoln's air ride for regular suspension cost me $1080.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
1) The decline in the number of MVC deaths for 1998 was unanticipated. (MVC = motor vehicle crash)
2) We found that the largest increases in fatalities on urban interstates occurred in states that maintained a 55-mph speed limit. Speed spillover from higher-speed roads is a plausible explanation for this finding.
3) We considered several aspects of the fatality data in choosing our statistical methods: (1) the data involved counts of absolute numbers rather than rates,
HAHAHAHAHAH at #2. Don't like the data, make up ludicrous theories explaining it away.....
#3 - Oh GEEZE!, I really wonder why they don't use rates, and just resort to absolute numbers. Could it be that using the rates doesn't fit their pre-conceived conclusions???
[non-permissible content removed] Anyone looking at these studies in depth will clearly see and even smell something something is rotten.
I like studies that just give the hard objective data and don't make a bunch of wild highly unlikely to be correct assumptions, premises, excuses, and biases to explain away the numbers that don't agree with their conclusion.
Swapping out the Lincoln's air ride for regular suspension cost me $1080.
A friend of mine had a '98 Continental. He really liked that car. When one of his suspension air bags burst he said it really scared him as it was a loud boom. He replaced it with another air bag to soon after have another one blow. The car was traded, pronto. In retrospect he said he wished he had converted to regular springs and kept the car.
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Sure, they want to make more money too, but only at acceptable safety risk. These same truckers wouldn't approve a vote for 100 MPH minimums either.
The problem with speed governors is it takes away the driver's ability to maneuver in an emergency situation. If you are at the limit of your governor, you can now only slow down your speed, rather than having the option to speed up or slow down. You basically take away half of your options in relation to speed. Not to mention the problem with passing other vehicles without becoming a rolling traffic blockade and impediment.
I have had Sirius since 2009 and I have never opted for that automatic thing. I have them send me a bill after I tell them I'll cancel if they don't give me the past years rate and I do this for both cars every year at different times because of when the cars were purchased. There is a 2 dollar fee to have the bill sent but I would rather pay the billing fee than try to unwind an automatic charge that hits my credit card every year at the full pop rate.
FWIW, I think their customer service is better today than years ago but I never really had a problem with there old people; it's just that they seem to be more accommodating the last few years.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
http://www.vollynet.org.nz/Speed Limit Law and Fatality Rates.pdf
This guy really presents both sides in a fair manner.
My favorite parts (#1 & #2 go back to cherry-picking studies caught red-handed, while #4 is important to discrediting previous contrary and faulty studies, #5 is a big gov't oops):
1) Following the federally imposed limit of 1974, the largest single-year
decline in highway deaths occurred, indicating that the federal law had a significant,
negative affect on the fatality rate. It is worthy to note however, that the effects were short-lived, presumably due to the lower propensity for drivers to take long trips, especially on those roads where fatalities are measured most fervently (Cook, 1995).
2) Third, analysis has determined that those rises
brought by the 1987 intervention (when 65 was allowed) were short-lived (Chang, Chen, & Carter, 1993),
The Evolution and Devolution of Speed Limit Law and the Effect on Fatality Rates 511
and fell back to pre-65mph levels as soon as 1990 (Cook, 1995).
3) The fifth area of the findings
concerns the possibility that raising the speed limits actually led to a lower fatality
rate. Michener and Tighe (1992) found that, when considering number of miles
driven on all highways, speed is negatively, but not significantly, related to fatality
rates.
4) The seventh and final finding seems to hold the most promise for future
research on the effects of speed limits, and may help explain the variation in the
aforementioned conclusions. Lave (1985; Lave & Elias, 1997) has asserted that to
study the effects of changes in speed limits on fatality rates, one is remiss simply to
examine those roads that are directly affected by the change; interstates with
increased limits are not independent from other roads, as the decision calculus of
drivers in route selection and driving behavior take into consideration several
factors, including the trade-offs of time traveled, possible traffic law enforcement,
and road safety in planning their trip. The lure of a safer, faster road will draw
drivers off the two-lane highways and country roads where the fatality rate is historically
three times higher than on rural interstates. Lave provided persuasive evidence
for the lure of the interstate, and the vehicle miles traveled since 1987 has
grown 1.62 times faster on the rural interstates in the 65mph states than in states
with the 55mph, and additionally, those rural interstates with 65mph limits saw a
growth rate in vehicle miles traveled 1.73 times faster than other roads within those
particular states. Thus, to view the effects of speed limit change, the proper focus
is the system-wide effects (all roads within a state), rather than measuring solely the
effects on those stretches where the limits have been raised. When employing system-wide,
state-by-state analysis on the effects of the 1987 limit devolution, Lave
noted that fatality rates fell overall in the first year, but were not equally distributed.
The fatality rate in 1987 fell 4.68% on average in states with the new 65mph
limit, but was unchanged in other states. The following year, the rate fell 1.55% in
the 65mph states, 2.55% in other states. When the change in the rate for the two
years is combined, the results indicated a difference of 3.62%, the 65mph states
enjoying a sharper decrease in the fatality rate than in states retaining the 55mph
limit. When analyzing the effects on each individual state, Lave and Elias noted
that, among states that increased their maximum legal speed, states that enjoyed
a decrease in the fatality rate outnumbered those that suffered an increase by three
to one.
5) our knowledge of the 1995 act’s impacts are quite sparse. The DOT, upon passage of the statute,
predicted that up to 6,400 more lives per year would be lost on the nation’s highways,
a prediction that under initial analysis seems quite overstated. The actual
increase in 1996 was 109 (the total being 41,907), a statistically insignificant increase
(Cook, 1997). Montana, the focus of much attention due to its enactment of no
specific daytime automobile speed limit, saw a decrease of fatalities, from 215 in
1995 to 200 in 1996.
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Bottom line, the faster you go, the less time to react, and the greater the force with which you hit something.
Craig
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
The estimated effects reveal that the assertion that speed kills, and more speed
kills more is mostly unfounded. The model employed does not allow me to reject
faithfully the null hypothesis that raising the speed limit in the examined states
had no effect on fatality rates, adjusting for several factors. Table 2 organizes the
results of Table 1 by resulting speed limit, revealing no visible correlation between
state speed limit and its effect on fatality rate. Given the inquiry here, there is no
widespread positive relationship between raising the speed limit and fatality rate.
And another gov't oops!:
....It is worthy to note that repeal proponents cite a factually false report by the NHTSA, which exaggerated
the Autobahn fatality rate, as ammunition against the repeal. The NHTSA has since apologized
for the issuance of the information,.......
For those that like to read in a book style format, here's another good one:
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=MFhkehz-Ky0C&oi=fnd&pg=PA257&dq=speed+limit+repeal+fuel+economy&ots=O2gj21eYsY&sig=KilLE2skiWMmiuGH08YnhAzcjG4#v=onepage&q&f=false
Chapter 8 is key.
Absolute speed increases (at least in the US) do not show correlated accident risk probability.
However, your second line is fair, IF you hit something, you are more likely to hit it with greater force if you are going faster.
The real-world and driving psychology play a major factor. Also, speed differentials greatly outweigh absolute speed in their importance. It is the relative speed differentials that are being shown to be far more statistically significant.
For example, studies fail to show that going from 65 to 75 is any more dangerous than States that went from 55 to 65 (same 10 MPH delta, but greater absolute speed).
Antiques are a better deal than buying new, as you might still get a bit of your investment back 30 years later, but I think the price wave for old timey furniture has crested - just as it has for common cars before the mid 50s, which are also slowly shrinking in value.