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driver100

stickguy said:

thanks for all the feedback. What would I do without all of you, and your opinions!

Kid did cave, and emailed the salesguy back, telling him to go for it. so assuming in the morning they can nail down the dealer trade (conveniently, it is only about 20 minutes away in the next town. No idea why Ct. needs so many Audi dealers). Same car he was planning to get, but in Mythos Black instead of dark blue, and with the LED lights. Really sharp looking, and yes, he knows all about taking care of a black car!

would look just like this one, but with sport seats.



http://www.audichantilly.com/new/Audi/2017-Audi-A3-fa26afed0a0e0a1733aaeffa4febbe4f.htm

Audi's do look good in black. My wife's color is black too, but that scares me.
That A3 is a really nice looking car....let us know how it goes.

driver100

Roadrunner, good luck with the new position.
What do you think of taking someone out for a test drive? Let us know if you get some scary testers. If the person drives OK it wouldn't be a problem........if they don't drive too well I can imagine if it were me....

Now, notice how nicely the car hanDLES....YIKES!!!! WTH! OMG, WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!

graphicguy

driver100 said:

nyccarguy said:

Thanks guys. I know it is FAR from the worst thing in the world. Thanks for letting me vent. I feel like it is very difficult to keep my head above water (financially) no matter how hard I try.

I should have bought a TDI! LOL!

NYC, probably all us retired guys have been there. Hard to plan for these emergencies when you are raising a family, paying off a house, trying to keep your car going, paying taxes and other on going expenses. Somehow you muddle through it.....you are doing great, just stay the course, it usually works out in the end.

2nd on that!

Bradd....you're doing fine.....frutrated right now. But, as Driver points out, at some time or another, unless one was born into money, you'll come out the other end in fine shape.

ab348

fintail said:

That talk has existed here from ages, ideas like "Cascadia" - as many people here have more in common economically and ideologically with western Canadians than eastern Americans. I don't know what they imbibe in to make them think it will happen. In that parallel universe, I wonder if we'd get BC's 15% tax on foreign real estate investments/money cleaning ventures.

It may all become academic if/when that big earthquake the experts predict happens and everything west of the fault line tumbles into the Pacific.

graphicguy

Stick....like that A3...especially the interior color. Looks like a really nice car. Hope things go smoothly for your son.

RB....congrats on the new gig. Sounds like fun.

CTS lights are self leveling. Couldn't begin to tell you how they work. They sure do light up the night, though. I asked the dealer once how much it costs to replace one of the LEDs in the light pipe, as I see some blown out (usually in the rear) on Cadillacs every once in a while. He said you can't replace just one. You have to replace the whole stack at the same time. There's a service/parts money maker.

nyccarguy

roadburner said:

Well, I may have some sales stories; the GM comes up to me and says, "This ois your month- you are going to sell at least five cars!" I thought that he was joking, but we had a couple of salespeople retire and we are selling an average of 2 cars per day- so the GM and NCM want me to cover the floor when the other salespeople are with customers.
I guess this is a case of no good deed goes unpunished- since I have taken several ups, performed what BMW calls the "Needs Assessment," taken the customer(s) on a test drive, and then turned them over to a salesperson.
At least work isn't boring.

I wish you the best of luck @roadburner. You know you'll do great!

Mr_Shiftright

ab348 said:

fintail said:

That talk has existed here from ages, ideas like "Cascadia" - as many people here have more in common economically and ideologically with western Canadians than eastern Americans. I don't know what they imbibe in to make them think it will happen. In that parallel universe, I wonder if we'd get BC's 15% tax on foreign real estate investments/money cleaning ventures.

It may all become academic if/when that big earthquake the experts predict happens and everything west of the fault line tumbles into the Pacific.

Actually it's not going to fall into the ocean--parts of it will just be going north while the rest goes south.

stickguy

That A3 is sharp in black. Not my thing, but does look good. And really works with chestnut interior. That example does have the B&O stereo, but his doesn't.

Should know this AM if it is happening. Had some details to confirm too about the season of Audi incentives (a prime reason for the change of plans)

imidazol97

graphicguy said:

I asked the dealer once how much it costs to replace one of the LEDs in the light pipe, as I see some blown out (usually in the rear) on Cadillacs every once in a while. He said you can't replace just one. You have to replace the whole stack at the same time. There's a service/parts money maker.

On a 2014, $1297.59, for the part. Haven't found a 2015.

ab348

Mr_Shiftright said:

Actually it's not going to fall into the ocean--parts of it will just be going north while the rest goes south.

I'm not an expert, but I was basing my comment on info in an article I read about the Bandon Dunes golf resort on the Oregon coast. It said parts of the course would be underwater if that happened. Maybe they were referring to the tsunami.

graphicguy

Posted this in the "other" thread we hang out in, hope to hear an answer here.

I read an article about all the incentives on a Nissan Leaf. Can't remember if a link was posted here, or elsewhere. But, in essence, it said with gov't incentives ($7,500), Nissan trunk money (about $4-$5K) and Nissan Lease Cash ($4K), one could do a 36 month lease for nothing when all was said and done.

Not too serious about it, but thinking one might be a decent airport runner, especially for the "no charge" part.

Anyone run across this article? Did a search here but couldn't find anything. Maybe I was imagining it?

jmonroe

Mr_Shiftright said:

ab348 said:

fintail said:

That talk has existed here from ages, ideas like "Cascadia" - as many people here have more in common economically and ideologically with western Canadians than eastern Americans. I don't know what they imbibe in to make them think it will happen. In that parallel universe, I wonder if we'd get BC's 15% tax on foreign real estate investments/money cleaning ventures.

It may all become academic if/when that big earthquake the experts predict happens and everything west of the fault line tumbles into the Pacific.

Actually it's not going to fall into the ocean--parts of it will just be going north while the rest goes south.

Hint: If you can, take the part that sails South. It's probably warmer that way.

jmonroe

roadburner

sda said:

roadburner said:

Well, I may have some sales stories; the GM comes up to me and says, "This ois your month- you are going to sell at least five cars!" I thought that he was joking, but we had a couple of salespeople retire and we are selling an average of 2 cars per day- so the GM and NCM want me to cover the floor when the other salespeople are with customers.
I guess this is a case of no good deed goes unpunished- since I have taken several ups, performed what BMW calls the "Needs Assessment," taken the customer(s) on a test drive, and then turned them over to a salesperson.
At least work isn't boring.

For the sales that you make are you paid a commission? That would perk me up!

Yes.

driver100

Checked for the 2013 Passat and didn't find it yet. They may have sold it to an employee, it seemed a few people were interested in it. But, I did see this 2015 model, automatic, 7200 miles, and according to the website...has a turbo, for $16000. If I had known I could have traded in ours for this one!

Autonation 2015 Passat

stickguy

Good price. Still under warranty for a long time too. Just needs a moonroof.

Next year, I really should just be fiscally prudent and buy something like this to hold onto.

jmonroe

driver100 said:

Checked for the 2013 Passat and didn't find it yet. They may have sold it to an employee, it seemed a few people were interested in it. But, I did see this 2015 model, automatic, 7200 miles, and according to the website...has a turbo, for $16000. If I had known I could have traded in ours for this one!

Autonation 2015 Passat

Nah, you did the right thing.

They'd have ripped you off for more than 200 bucks for the Passat.

jmonroe

driver100

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

Checked for the 2013 Passat and didn't find it yet. They may have sold it to an employee, it seemed a few people were interested in it. But, I did see this 2015 model, automatic, 7200 miles, and according to the website...has a turbo, for $16000. If I had known I could have traded in ours for this one!

Autonation 2015 Passat

Nah, you did the right thing.

They'd have ripped you off for more than 200 bucks for the Passat.

jmonroe

We'll see how well you do when you negotiate your next car!

driver100

stickguy said:

Good price. Still under warranty for a long time too. Just needs a moonroof.

Next year, I really should just be fiscally prudent and buy something like this to hold onto.

It is a nice car fr $16k. I see quuite a few low mileage cars available down here....I don't see as many back home, must be a good place for buying low mile cars....even if you do have to pay a $699 DOC fee.

Mr_Shiftright

Or cliff erosion perhaps--a more local phenomenon.

The actual major Bay Area fault, the San Andreas, is already partly out to sea.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

stickguy said:

Good price. Still under warranty for a long time too. Just needs a moonroof.

Next year, I really should just be fiscally prudent and buy something like this to hold onto.

It is a nice car fr $16k. I see quuite a few low mileage cars available down here....I don't see as many back home, must be a good place for buying low mile cars....even if you do have to pay a $699 DOC fee.

Lot of snow birds like yourself who come down and only put a few thousand miles on the car each year. Try Fort Myers CL for some good examples. I found one 16 yo car with only 19k miles. Probably a fellow countryman of yours.


http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/cto/5899066417.html

iluvmysephia1

Whew! I got behind a bit on my (you guy's) Edmund's posts and just spent 45 minutes scrollin' and readin'! All in all, I think it was worth it. stever, are you guys playin' it cool on the 2017 Buick Encore in that nice shade of blue? Cooler heads prevail...let the dust settle.

stever

Ya, we're still kicking tires @iluvmysephia1. Two 2017s arrived in El Paso this week so they are trickling out finally. These are base models so we aren't going to go look at them.

stickguy

update on the great audi search my son has been on. Turns out that the black one with LED lights was already sold. So, he gave the salesguy (who must have earned his commission trying to work this deal out) a list of acceptable color combos, and said with or without LEDs. After some searching and calls, they made a deal with a dealer in Jersey to trade for one. So, he now has a VIN #, a turn in inspection appointment for his lease, and plans to drive down a week from tomorrow to pick it up, and leave his Jetta at their sister VW store.

definitely made this more convoluted than it needed to be. and could have ended up with the same car for less money if he just stuck with our local guy, but in the long run, he won't care!

ended up with the exact car he special ordered (cosmos blue over chestnut A3, premium plus, tech, sport). Lots of goodies. It was even the exact unit his dealer tried to trade for a month ago, when this all started, but the dealer that had it incoming wouldn't give it up. Guess it hit the lot, and now they are willing to do it. So, getting the car he specced out, just a couple months early. And if they can get the details worked out, some bonus cash from Audi ("season of Audi") to put him ahead of the game.

explorerx4

@stever,
Just saw a Buick ad, up to $5k off select 2016 Encores.
Not sure what to make of it.

suydam

That's how I got mine, as a leftover, but I think Stever wants a 2017.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

stickguy said:

Good price. Still under warranty for a long time too. Just needs a moonroof.

Next year, I really should just be fiscally prudent and buy something like this to hold onto.

It is a nice car fr $16k. I see quuite a few low mileage cars available down here....I don't see as many back home, must be a good place for buying low mile cars....even if you do have to pay a $699 DOC fee.

Lot of snow birds like yourself who come down and only put a few thousand miles on the car each year. Try Fort Myers CL for some good examples. I found one 16 yo car with only 19k miles. Probably a fellow countryman of yours.


http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/cto/5899066417.html

Looks like new, and just $4000. I can see why you are addicted to some of these real "buys".

There are lots of snowbirds, also a lot of people who pass on, and a wife or the family just want to sell a car. Quite a few older people who buy a new car....then don't use it much. It seems some cars, like our C 250 are leased...probably a company car that is leased for an executive, who has the car but doesn't drive it a lot.

stickguy

that contour looks a lot like the 1st car I bought my son (I think it was a 1999). white, but had alloys (it was an SE)

my guess, it has such low miles because the owner despised driving it. What a dog. and on that one, the rear door is about 10 shades different in color. though that might just be the light in that one picture.

I would not take it for 1/2 the price.

stever

Yeah, I could have gotten a "deal" the other day on a leftover new 2015, but I want the latest.

stickguy

a 2015 is not a leftover. That is a 2 year old used car.

stever

And therefore a 2016 is a leftover one year old used car.

And a 2017 is a 5 minute old used car once you drive it off the lot.

stickguy

yes, a 2016 is now 1 YO, hence why it should be priced much lower. But I can't use the term leftover for one that is now been left over twice!

suydam

If they've never been titled they are technically new. Never heard that for 2 yr old vehicles. I just assumed it was a typo.

tommister2

graphicguy said:

Posted this in the "other" thread we hang out in, hope to hear an answer here.

I read an article about all the incentives on a Nissan Leaf. Can't remember if a link was posted here, or elsewhere. But, in essence, it said with gov't incentives ($7,500), Nissan trunk money (about $4-$5K) and Nissan Lease Cash ($4K), one could do a 36 month lease for nothing when all was said and done.

Not too serious about it, but thinking one might be a decent airport runner, especially for the "no charge" part.

Anyone run across this article? Did a search here but couldn't find anything. Maybe I was imagining it?

I think that was something special in Colorado due to state incentives. I looked into in and there were no such deals here in Virginia. Feels like that was 6 or 8 months ago?

qbrozen

suydam said:

If they've never been titled they are technically new. Never heard that for 2 yr old vehicles. I just assumed it was a typo.

I think everyone is saying the same thing. It is technically new and never titled, but it needs to be valued like a used car with ultra low miles because at trade time, it matters not that you bought it new, only how old it is. 

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

sda said:

roadburner said:

Well, I may have some sales stories; the GM comes up to me and says, "This ois your month- you are going to sell at least five cars!" I thought that he was joking, but we had a couple of salespeople retire and we are selling an average of 2 cars per day- so the GM and NCM want me to cover the floor when the other salespeople are with customers.
I guess this is a case of no good deed goes unpunished- since I have taken several ups, performed what BMW calls the "Needs Assessment," taken the customer(s) on a test drive, and then turned them over to a salesperson.
At least work isn't boring.

For the sales that you make are you paid a commission? That would perk me up!

Yes.

Sounds like they are grooming you to be their new cracker Jack salesman that they send all the enthusiasts to. That's what I'd do if I saw how much product knowledge you have as well as all that neat stuff like where to race, where to get performance training etc.

You'll have all the gear heads eating out of your hand as you suggest that the $3,000 mop & glo package will help their cars slip through the air faster.

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

a 2015 is not a leftover. That is a 2 year old used car.

According to my never-call-you-back Ford dealer it's a "demo" and a bargain at 10% off.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

sda said:

roadburner said:

Well, I may have some sales stories; the GM comes up to me and says, "This ois your month- you are going to sell at least five cars!" I thought that he was joking, but we had a couple of salespeople retire and we are selling an average of 2 cars per day- so the GM and NCM want me to cover the floor when the other salespeople are with customers.
I guess this is a case of no good deed goes unpunished- since I have taken several ups, performed what BMW calls the "Needs Assessment," taken the customer(s) on a test drive, and then turned them over to a salesperson.
At least work isn't boring.

For the sales that you make are you paid a commission? That would perk me up!

Yes.

Sounds like they are grooming you to be their new cracker Jack salesman that they send all the enthusiasts to. That's what I'd do if I saw how much product knowledge you have as well as all that neat stuff like where to race, where to get performance training etc.

You'll have all the gear heads eating out of your hand as you suggest that the $3,000 mop & glo package will help their cars slip through the air faster.

That's a good point OF. What a great way for the dealership to find and groom a new salesperson. A lot of BMW buyers are enthusiasts and they will appreciate RR's knowledge and experience. Smart move by the dealer, and a real opportunity for RR.

driver100

A 2 year old car is a 2 year old car, no mileage or low mileage makes a difference, but not that much. I got $11200 for the 2013 Passat with 6800 miles on it, if I had average mileage of about 36000 miles, I probably would have got $9500 or $10000 for it. No relationship between the age of the car and how much life should be left in it.

I guess, you pay a premium for a low mileage car, but, it is probably well worth it considering how much longer the car should last. The dealer goes by the KBB price anyway, and the spread between average and great shape is not that large.

btw...I think dealers use another KBB if you are looking up prices in their office...the price they showed me was different than what I found. Maybe they use Kremlin Black Book prices.

ab348

stickguy said:

that contour looks a lot like the 1st car I bought my son (I think it was a 1999). white, but had alloys (it was an SE)

my guess, it has such low miles because the owner despised driving it. What a dog. and on that one, the rear door is about 10 shades different in color. though that might just be the light in that one picture.

I would not take it for 1/2 the price.

Those were such odd cars.

I remember when they came out, replacing the Tempo/Topaz, the car magazines were very positive about it. Because of that I had a choice of one as a rental not long after introduction and took it for a long road trip. I simply could not see what the fuss was all about. Sea of gray interior, no power, no back seat room, perhaps slightly better steering and handling than the Tempo but not much fun to drive because of the lack of power. I agree that it was an improvement over the Tempo in a lot of ways but that was a pretty low bar to surpass. A few years later, a lady who worked for me had one that she was commuting an hour each day in. One day she called and said she would not be in because the engine blew up on the highway on her way to work. Somehow that did not come as a surprise.

houdini1

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

sda said:

roadburner said:

Well, I may have some sales stories; the GM comes up to me and says, "This ois your month- you are going to sell at least five cars!" I thought that he was joking, but we had a couple of salespeople retire and we are selling an average of 2 cars per day- so the GM and NCM want me to cover the floor when the other salespeople are with customers.
I guess this is a case of no good deed goes unpunished- since I have taken several ups, performed what BMW calls the "Needs Assessment," taken the customer(s) on a test drive, and then turned them over to a salesperson.
At least work isn't boring.

For the sales that you make are you paid a commission? That would perk me up!

Yes.

Sounds like they are grooming you to be their new cracker Jack salesman that they send all the enthusiasts to. That's what I'd do if I saw how much product knowledge you have as well as all that neat stuff like where to race, where to get performance training etc.

You'll have all the gear heads eating out of your hand as you suggest that the $3,000 mop & glo package will help their cars slip through the air faster.

What sort of vibes are you getting from the other sales people?

roadburner

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

sda said:

roadburner said:

Well, I may have some sales stories; the GM comes up to me and says, "This ois your month- you are going to sell at least five cars!" I thought that he was joking, but we had a couple of salespeople retire and we are selling an average of 2 cars per day- so the GM and NCM want me to cover the floor when the other salespeople are with customers.
I guess this is a case of no good deed goes unpunished- since I have taken several ups, performed what BMW calls the "Needs Assessment," taken the customer(s) on a test drive, and then turned them over to a salesperson.
At least work isn't boring.

For the sales that you make are you paid a commission? That would perk me up!

Yes.

Sounds like they are grooming you to be their new cracker Jack salesman that they send all the enthusiasts to. That's what I'd do if I saw how much product knowledge you have as well as all that neat stuff like where to race, where to get performance training etc.

You'll have all the gear heads eating out of your hand as you suggest that the $3,000 mop & glo package will help their cars slip through the air faster.

THE GM has been pushing me to move to sales since my second week at the dealer; I still like my original job, but this is a good opportunity to find out if I have the ability to sell. As for mop & glo, we don't push that stuff- any additional warranties and such are offered by our F&I guys.

Mr_Shiftright

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

stickguy said:

Good price. Still under warranty for a long time too. Just needs a moonroof.

Next year, I really should just be fiscally prudent and buy something like this to hold onto.

It is a nice car fr $16k. I see quuite a few low mileage cars available down here....I don't see as many back home, must be a good place for buying low mile cars....even if you do have to pay a $699 DOC fee.

Lot of snow birds like yourself who come down and only put a few thousand miles on the car each year. Try Fort Myers CL for some good examples. I found one 16 yo car with only 19k miles. Probably a fellow countryman of yours.


http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/cto/5899066417.html

That's a lot of miles for a Contour

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

stickguy said:

that contour looks a lot like the 1st car I bought my son (I think it was a 1999). white, but had alloys (it was an SE)

my guess, it has such low miles because the owner despised driving it. What a dog. and on that one, the rear door is about 10 shades different in color. though that might just be the light in that one picture.

I would not take it for 1/2 the price.

Those were such odd cars.

I remember when they came out, replacing the Tempo/Topaz, the car magazines were very positive about it. Because of that I had a choice of one as a rental not long after introduction and took it for a long road trip. I simply could not see what the fuss was all about. Sea of gray interior, no power, no back seat room, perhaps slightly better steering and handling than the Tempo but not much fun to drive because of the lack of power. I agree that it was an improvement over the Tempo in a lot of ways but that was a pretty low bar to surpass. A few years later, a lady who worked for me had one that she was commuting an hour each day in. One day she called and said she would not be in because the engine blew up on the highway on her way to work. Somehow that did not come as a surprise.

Back in 2002 I was looking at used cars and found a nice low mile Contour with about 36k miles for a decent price at the dealer. Then I found my Chrysler Cirrus at another dealer with 25k miles. Used the Countour as a bargaining chip against the Cirrus salesman and the rest is history.

Kind of glad it turned out that way because I loved the Chrysler, put over 100k miles on it. From what you guys say I would have hated the Contour.

Mr_Shiftright

Well hate is a very strong word. Loathe maybe.

fintail

My sister bought a 96 Contour in 98 or 99, I forget. It must have been an off-lease car, and was a weird purple-blue. It seemed really nice when she got it, but aged poorly. As she was young then, she didn't exactly baby it, but she kept the oil changed etc - by 2004 it had a huge amount of problems, including electrical issues. She got $500 trade in for it on a new Focus, and that seemed generous. She kept the Focus til 2012, and put something like 175K on it, virtuallly trouble-free.

I remember liking the Contour when it was introduced, as it resembled the raved-about European Mondeo, and was a long overdue replacement for the Tempo. But the newness wore off fast. Now and then I see an SVT, or an ad for an odd 5-speed V6 car (most of those seem to be Mystiques).

Mr_Shiftright

Exactly--they were "ok" cars but aged in dog years.

oldfarmer50

OK you Contour snobs how about these low mile gems.

http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/ctd/5903680964.html

http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/ctd/5903643938.html

Driver100s twin brother?

http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/chl/cto/5880392332.html

Mr_Shiftright

A Porsche automatic? Maybe after I'm dead.

driver100

ab348 said:

stickguy said:

that contour looks a lot like the 1st car I bought my son (I think it was a 1999). white, but had alloys (it was an SE)

my guess, it has such low miles because the owner despised driving it. What a dog. and on that one, the rear door is about 10 shades different in color. though that might just be the light in that one picture.

I would not take it for 1/2 the price.

Those were such odd cars.

I remember when they came out, replacing the Tempo/Topaz, the car magazines were very positive about it. Because of that I had a choice of one as a rental not long after introduction and took it for a long road trip. I simply could not see what the fuss was all about. Sea of gray interior, no power, no back seat room, perhaps slightly better steering and handling than the Tempo but not much fun to drive because of the lack of power. I agree that it was an improvement over the Tempo in a lot of ways but that was a pretty low bar to surpass. A few years later, a lady who worked for me had one that she was commuting an hour each day in. One day she called and said she would not be in because the engine blew up on the highway on her way to work. Somehow that did not come as a surprise.

I agree completely with your synopsis of the Ford Contour. The reviews were good for other Fords when they came out too, the Fairmount, the 2nd generation Taurus (the one with everything round including the porthole rear window), even the early Tempo. I always had the impression the review people wanted to give positive reviews for the hometown products, and possibly their advertisers.

I will say, I was a passenger in a new Contour when they first came out and I found it nicely finished inside...but it was a top of the line model. But base Fords could be pretty minimal and austere.

driver100

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

sda said:

roadburner said:

Well, I may have some sales stories; the GM comes up to me and says, "This ois your month- you are going to sell at least five cars!" I thought that he was joking, but we had a couple of salespeople retire and we are selling an average of 2 cars per day- so the GM and NCM want me to cover the floor when the other salespeople are with customers.
I guess this is a case of no good deed goes unpunished- since I have taken several ups, performed what BMW calls the "Needs Assessment," taken the customer(s) on a test drive, and then turned them over to a salesperson.
At least work isn't boring.

For the sales that you make are you paid a commission? That would perk me up!

Yes.

Sounds like they are grooming you to be their new cracker Jack salesman that they send all the enthusiasts to. That's what I'd do if I saw how much product knowledge you have as well as all that neat stuff like where to race, where to get performance training etc.

You'll have all the gear heads eating out of your hand as you suggest that the $3,000 mop & glo package will help their cars slip through the air faster.

THE GM has been pushing me to move to sales since my second week at the dealer; I still like my original job, but this is a good opportunity to find out if I have the ability to sell. As for mop & glo, we don't push that stuff- any additional warranties and such are offered by our F&I guys.

That is the way the dealerships do it these days, the F&I guys specialize at scamming you into buying the extras. That way you can keep a better relationship with your salesperson....and not be afraid of him. Like I said, we offered to bring in a certified check for $15000 for the C 250, and they said just bring in a blank one. We thought it was because they trusted us...no, it was so they could try to sell us $8000 worth of add-ons...and come out the door signing away on just one check.