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driver100

Mike, nice looking car:



Now that we traded in our BMWs for Mercedes, you go and switch to BMW....now how will I find out how stuff works?

You are one person who does not need an extended service contract...at least it is transferable.

I hear you about the low slung seats, I don't want to do contortions to get into a car.

I like the looks of the 740 compared to an S Class, but doesn't 740 sound like an old Volvo?

roadburner

abacomike said:

jmonroe said:

Mike, congrats on the new car. It sounds like quite a machine.

FWIW, I also did not think anyone in here could dissuade you from getting a new car. It's hard to ignore hot pants even for someone your age given that you have had a life full of them.

Just curious, with you track record, how many oil changes do you think your new baby will get. Also, do you get weekly complementary car washes with it like you did with your old MB?

Keep us posted about how you like it.

jmonroe

Thanks JM and to all of the posters who have wished me good luck with the new car as well as to those who know me like a book and tore into me - in a nice way, that is.

I asked the "Genius" techie about that. He said that anytime I am in the area, just give him or one of the Genius Techies a call prior to coming in to the dealership and they will run it through the wash rack for me. He said they do that for 7 Series owners on the sly. So, yes, I can get car washes if I like, but I am not going to have as many as I did with Mercedes. The BMW dealership is 30 miles away - I think it would be just as economical to have the car hand washed at one of the car wash facilities closer to home considering that the price of gas down here has been climbing exponentially.

My brother asked if I would like to drive up to his place for a few days and kind of kick back a little. I said I would let him know next week as I don't think I have the strength right now to make the round trip. But it would be a great opportunity to break in the car for a 600 mile round trip. We shall see.

Among other things, you should get an annual professional detail and priority service appointments as part of the 7 Series Ultimate Benefits program

carnaught

"Mike, nice looking car:
Now that we traded in our BMWs for Mercedes, you go and switch to BMW....now how will I find out how stuff works?"

driver, Mike wants to stay one step ahead of us. One-upmanship is a b*tch .

driver100

carnaught said:

"Mike, nice looking car:
Now that we traded in our BMWs for Mercedes, you go and switch to BMW....now how will I find out how stuff works?"

driver, Mike wants to stay one step ahead of us. One-upmanship is a b*tch .

Yeh, we will play catch up and buy BMWs and he'll get an Audi

houdini1

Congrats Mike. I read somewhere recently that some prestigious mag. had declared that for the first time, the 2017 750 had overtaken the S class as the king of luxury cars. Get some rest and enjoy.

driver100

thebean said:

@nyccarguy, you're correct.  I should have noted that and typed my comment accordingly, addressing @driver100.  Sorry for the confusion.

Mr Bean......just wanted you to know I do respect your very professional opinion. You are 100% correct if selling a paid for car is traded just for cash in most cases....my only point is sometimes it does take some creative thinking to get yourself out of a jam.

Like I have said before, I had no job, I had a 4 year old Cavalier, and I needed a strong SUV to carry books around to start my business. My only option was to trade in the Cavalier (which was paid for), and lease the Jeep. If I hadn't done that I wouldn't have started my business and I would probably still be driving a 1992 Cavalier.

fintail

Yep, 740 was an angular boxy highline Volvo starting from 1984 until around 1991-92. BMW also has some history with the 740 moniker, going back to the later E32 7er around 1992.

explorerx4

@Houdini,
I guessing you read that in 'Roundel'.

ab348

"No matter how hard I work,
No matter how much I toil,
I shall never afford
A 74 Oil"

graphicguy

abacomike said:

Well, I did the deed!  They met my price and trade value as I was walking out the door.  I will post more details when I get home.

Cool! Congrats!

houdini1

explorerx4 said:

@Houdini,
I guessing you read that in 'Roundel'.

explorerx4 said:

@Houdini,
I guessing you read that in 'Roundel'.

I think it was Consumer Reports, but I am not certain.

thebean

driver100 said:

@nyccarguy, you're correct.  I should have noted that and typed my comment accordingly, addressing @driver100.  Sorry for the confusion.

Mr Bean......just wanted you to know I do respect your very professional opinion. You are 100% correct if selling a paid for car is traded just for cash in most cases....my only point is sometimes it does take some creative thinking to get yourself out of a jam. Like I have said before, I had no job, I had a 4 year old Cavalier, and I needed a strong SUV to carry books around to start my business. My only option was to trade in the Cavalier (which was paid for), and lease the Jeep. If I hadn't done that I wouldn't have started my business and I would probably still be driving a 1992 Cavalier.

@driver100, point taken.  There are lots of different situations that require different solutions.  We have mostly lived below our needs and socked money away for the proverbial rainy day.  It meant we lived in the same house for 30 years and kept our cars a fairly long time.  It allowed me to retire at 55, so I think it worked well for us.  But, it is not for everyone.  

driver100

Mr Bean, nothing wrong with that either, you live much the same lifestyle as $billionaire Warren Buffett.

For some people, money does not change their lifestyle. This holds true for Warren Buffet. Warren has been living in the same 5-bedroom house that he bought 50 years ago in 1956 in Omaha, Nebraska. In 1956, he bought the house for $31, 500. His house has no wall or fence. He loves to drive himself and has no driver. Although he is the owner of world’s largest private jet company, he has never traveled by private jet in his life.

His favorite past time is to sit down and watch TV, while having popcorns made by himself.

If you are happy, doesn't matter how you got there

graphicguy

So, not many of us can rent a really nice car from the rental car companies unless you dig deep into your pocket, for the first time I was able to rent something that I can never recall renting.

First, I am in Detroit actually doing some work for GM in, of all places, their Cadillac advanced technology building.

Not a whole lot of choices from Enterprise other than U.S. Branded iron. It was either a Chrysler 200 or a Chrysler minivan. I chose the 200.

Now, from everything I've read, these cars are supposed to be absolutely dreadful. Not true. The one I rented had 8,000 miles (approx) and I'm sure was their standard model.

Not bad on the inside. Ergonomics were excellent. Problem, lots of hard plastic. Weird shifter (knob) that took me a bit to get used to. UConnect (small screen version) operated well with my iPhone.

Steering was light but relatively accurate. As always, there was a fair amount of understeer. Felt good and there was never a surprise where I could point it, and it responded correctly.

Not a sports car suspension, but surprisingly good given the price point. It handled the nasty Detroit roads well. It never became flustered, but could have handled body roll a bit better relatively easily with a cheap brace.

Seats weren't good, but not bad, either. Brakes were a little grabby at first, but were fine once the car would warm up.

Stereo was pretty darned good playing my iPhone tunes. Plenty of low end, better than expected clarity, with low distortion at some fairly high volumes.

The 4 cyl motor vibrated just a bit at idle but was smooth accelerating. You won't want to try any Cafe racing with it, but it's perfectly acceptable as a Mommy motor or for someone who views cars as appliances.

The big bugaboo was the transmission (I think it's the 9-speed everyone is having troubles with). It either slams into gear, or feels like it's slipping. Isn't this a ZF unit? For a company who prides itself in making really good transmissions, they should be ashamed of themselves.

I'm sure these are being discounted pretty steeply given their life span is just about over and the model is now in Hospice.

Given all that, it's not going to compete with a Camry, Malibu, Fusion or an Accord. But, for the money, I'd take it with an extended warranty over an Altima and put a fair amount of money back in my pocket as a result.

stickguy

one of those with a decent option load, slightly used as a CPO and cheap, could be a good deal for an appliance mobile.

berri

Aba - glad you got a car you like and fits your physical situation. Enjoy it because the way your medical luck has been going you may have to trade it in for the easy access in a minivan down the road - just kidding!

Bean - my feeling is a lease mostly makes sense if you want a new vehicle every couple of years or are in a situation where you can write the lease off your taxes.

houdini1

A few years ago, due to a quirk in the tax laws, and when I owned a business, it was very tax advantageous to buy a vehicle with a gross weight over 5500 pounds, so I bought a Lexus LX. Saved some money on taxes, but due to the law of unintended consequences, my wife fell in love with the darn thing, and now she is on her 3rd one. Cost me big in the long run, but they are really great vehicles.

berri

Hey - easy come - easy go

stever

driver100 said:

Mr Bean, nothing wrong with that either, you live much the same lifestyle as $billionaire Warren Buffett.

For some people, money does not change their lifestyle. This holds true for Warren Buffet. Warren has been living in the same 5-bedroom house that he bought 50 years ago in 1956 in Omaha, Nebraska. In 1956, he bought the house for $31, 500. His house has no wall or fence. He loves to drive himself and has no driver. Although he is the owner of world’s largest private jet company, he has never traveled by private jet in his life.

Snopes has nothing but Forbes says "Buffet says that having a private jet makes his life better and easier as he needs to do a considerable amount of traveling as the CEO of Berkshire Hathaway."

He still seems sharp enough to drive although at 86, maybe he sticks to limos. Or should.

abacomike

driver100 said:

"Mike, nice looking car: Now that we traded in our BMWs for Mercedes, you go and switch to BMW....now how will I find out how stuff works?" driver, Mike wants to stay one step ahead of us. One-upmanship is a b*tch .

Yeh, we will play catch up and buy BMWs and he'll get an Audi

No Audi for me.  With my health being what it is, this just might be my last hoorah in terms of buying cars.  This very well be my last car for reasons of health.  So I am going to try and enjoy this one right up to the last tankful of gas.

roadburner

fintail said:

Yep, 740 was an angular boxy highline Volvo starting from 1984 until around 1991-92. BMW also has some history with the 740 moniker, going back to the later E32 7er around 1992.

My wife had a 1991 740 Turbo- it was almost fast for it's time. I shut down more than one automatic Fox Body 5.0 GT with it.

driver100

houdini1 said:

so I bought a Lexus LX. Saved some money on taxes, but due to the law of unintended consequences, my wife fell in love with the darn thing, and now she is on her 3rd one. Cost me big in the long run, but they are really great vehicles.

I thought you were going to say, But my wife was worth it"

snakeweasel

abacomike said:

iluvmysephia1 said:

Welcome back, abacomike! Nice to see you're back and chattin' cars with us again. Is it 60 degrees in Florida?

Nope - 80+ degrees down here!

Let me join in the ranks of those welcoming you back.

BTW remind me approximately where in FL are you. I am flying down to Orlando next week to Christmas and New Years with the grand kids (OK also with the daughter and son in law if I have to). We also are going to take a few days and look at homes for our retirement (if that ever comes).

driver100

Great review on the 200 GG. I like reading well done reviews by real people...who are checking out the same things I would notice.

The top 10 cars stolen in Canada last year:
2007 Ford F-350 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2006 Ford F-350 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2005 Ford F-350 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2004 Ford F-350 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2003 Ford F-350 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2015 Toyota 4Runner 4-door 4WD SUV
2003 Cadillac Escalade 4-door 4WD SUV
2002 Ford F-350 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2006 Ford F-250 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2010 Acura ZDX 4-door AWD SUV

Canadian thieves favor 4WD vehicles, and they love F-350s.

abacomike

snakeweasel said:

abacomike said:

iluvmysephia1 said:

Welcome back, abacomike! Nice to see you're back and chattin' cars with us again. Is it 60 degrees in Florida?

Nope - 80+ degrees down here!

Let me join in the ranks of those welcoming you back.

BTW remind me approximately where in FL are you. I am flying down to Orlando next week to Christmas and New Years with the grand kids (OK also with the daughter and son in law if I have to). We also are going to take a few days and look at homes for our retirement (if that ever comes).

I am in North Broward Country, about 3 miles south of Boca Raton and the Palm Beach County Line. About 200 miles south of Orlando, if that helps any.

And thanks for the warm welcome back.

Mr_Shiftright

driver100 said:

Great review on the 200 GG. I like reading well done reviews by real people...who are checking out the same things I would notice.

The top 10 cars stolen in Canada last year:
2007 Ford F-350 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2006 Ford F-350 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2005 Ford F-350 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2004 Ford F-350 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2003 Ford F-350 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2015 Toyota 4Runner 4-door 4WD SUV
2003 Cadillac Escalade 4-door 4WD SUV
2002 Ford F-350 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2006 Ford F-250 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2010 Acura ZDX 4-door AWD SUV

Canadian thieves favor 4WD vehicles, and they love F-350s.

Great gesture of support from Canada: "Steal American!"

fintail

ZDX LOL, must be statistics at work, 1 of the 25 they sold was stolen, so it looks alarming. Those are hen's teeth already. I wonder if the old trucks have the GM-style crack open the column and go theft option.

driver100 said:

Great review on the 200 GG. I like reading well done reviews by real people...who are checking out the same things I would notice.

The top 10 cars stolen in Canada last year:
2010 Acura ZDX 4-door AWD SUV

Canadian thieves favor 4WD vehicles, and they love F-350s.

fintail

Those are slowly becoming special interest cars. Another 10 years or so, and people will be saving them. If Volvo can regain some cachet, all the better. I always kind of liked those things.

roadburner said:

My wife had a 1991 740 Turbo- it was almost fast for it's time. I shut down more than one automatic Fox Body 5.0 GT with it.

fintail

I suspect 31K bought a heck of a nice house in Omaha in 1956 (60 years ago). Not that he isn't frugal for his means, but I doubt he's living in a concrete block 2/1 tract bungalow. Cool that he's not in a gawd awful modern mansion anyway. Interesting man for sure.

I have a co-worker who makes a decent salary nowadays, and had this idea of retiring by 50. I think he gave up on it - cost of living is huge here, he got tired of dealing with a 21 year old car with 250K on it, and it's private sector, so no gilded pension.

driver100 said:

For some people, money does not change their lifestyle. This holds true for Warren Buffet. Warren has been living in the same 5-bedroom house that he bought 50 years ago in 1956 in Omaha, Nebraska. In 1956, he bought the house for $31, 500. His house has no wall or fence. He loves to drive himself and has no driver. Although he is the owner of world’s largest private jet company, he has never traveled by private jet in his life.

His favorite past time is to sit down and watch TV, while having popcorns made by himself.

If you are happy, doesn't matter how you got there

driver100

fintail said:

I suspect 31K bought a heck of a nice house in Omaha in 1956 (60 years ago). Not that he isn't frugal for his means, but I doubt he's living in a concrete block 2/1 tract bungalow. Cool that he's not in a gawd awful modern mansion anyway. Interesting man for sure.

I have a co-worker who makes a decent salary nowadays, and had this idea of retiring by 50. I think he gave up on it - cost of living is huge here, he got tired of dealing with a 21 year old car with 250K on it, and it's private sector, so no gilded pension.

driver100 said:

For some people, money does not change their lifestyle. This holds true for Warren Buffet. Warren has been living in the same 5-bedroom house that he bought 50 years ago in 1956 in Omaha, Nebraska. In 1956, he bought the house for $31, 500. His house has no wall or fence. He loves to drive himself and has no driver. Although he is the owner of world’s largest private jet company, he has never traveled by private jet in his life.

His favorite past time is to sit down and watch TV, while having popcorns made by himself.

If you are happy, doesn't matter how you got there

The average cost of a new house in 1956 was $11,700, and the average monthly rent was $88.00. In terms of commodities, the average cost of a gallon of automobile gas was 22 cents. A new car costed approximately $2,050. The price of ground coffee per pound was about 85 cents.

Still....the guy is a $Billionaire...could live anywhere....Omaha??????

fintail

That's where he's originally from, right? Maybe he likes it there - family, familiar scenery, etc. Probably has a nice upper middle class house and can kind of live under the radar. If I had his money I wouldn't live in Manhattan or SF etc either.

driver100 said:

Still....the guy is a $Billionaire...could live anywhere....Omaha??????

houdini1

driver100 said:

houdini1 said:

so I bought a Lexus LX. Saved some money on taxes, but due to the law of unintended consequences, my wife fell in love with the darn thing, and now she is on her 3rd one. Cost me big in the long run, but they are really great vehicles.

I thought you were going to say, But my wife was worth it"

Thank you for reminding me driver. Anytime I appear to be taking my wife for granted, please let me know, because that is definitely not my intent. She is way beyond being worth anything I could ever provide for her.

jmonroe

driver100 said:

Great review on the 200 GG. I like reading well done reviews by real people...who are checking out the same things I would notice.

The top 10 cars stolen in Canada last year:
2007 Ford F-350 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2006 Ford F-350 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2005 Ford F-350 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2004 Ford F-350 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2003 Ford F-350 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2015 Toyota 4Runner 4-door 4WD SUV
2003 Cadillac Escalade 4-door 4WD SUV
2002 Ford F-350 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2006 Ford F-250 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2010 Acura ZDX 4-door AWD SUV

Canadian thieves favor 4WD vehicles, and they love F-350s.

Gee, I wonder why they like 4WD vehicles.

Do you think it has anything to do with the citizens that man-up and don't run off to Florida in the Winter?

jmonroe

Mr_Shiftright

It's probably more to do with the value of taking these vehicles to a chop-shop. A fully loaded F350 has a pretty staggering MSRP, ---around $75,000 with all the toys.

jmonroe

driver100 said:

fintail said:

I suspect 31K bought a heck of a nice house in Omaha in 1956 (60 years ago). Not that he isn't frugal for his means, but I doubt he's living in a concrete block 2/1 tract bungalow. Cool that he's not in a gawd awful modern mansion anyway. Interesting man for sure.

I have a co-worker who makes a decent salary nowadays, and had this idea of retiring by 50. I think he gave up on it - cost of living is huge here, he got tired of dealing with a 21 year old car with 250K on it, and it's private sector, so no gilded pension.

driver100 said:

For some people, money does not change their lifestyle. This holds true for Warren Buffet. Warren has been living in the same 5-bedroom house that he bought 50 years ago in 1956 in Omaha, Nebraska. In 1956, he bought the house for $31, 500. His house has no wall or fence. He loves to drive himself and has no driver. Although he is the owner of world’s largest private jet company, he has never traveled by private jet in his life.

His favorite past time is to sit down and watch TV, while having popcorns made by himself.

If you are happy, doesn't matter how you got there

The average cost of a new house in 1956 was $11,700, and the average monthly rent was $88.00. In terms of commodities, the average cost of a gallon of automobile gas was 22 cents. A new car costed approximately $2,050. The price of ground coffee per pound was about 85 cents.

Still....the guy is a $Billionaire...could live anywhere....Omaha??????

I never knew my parents were affluent.

When we moved from the Burgh to the suburbs in '56 we moved into a newly built ranch house and they paid just under 16K for it. Now I think they were holding out us kids. I didn't even get an allowance, I had to deliver papers for my money.

Man, if they were around today I'd sure give them a piece of my mind. :@

jmonroe

jmonroe

Mr_Shiftright said:

It's probably more to do with the value of taking these vehicles to a chop-shop. A fully loaded F350 has a pretty staggering MSRP, ---around $75,000 with all the toys.

I'm sure you are right but, in the Winter with snow on the ground, they have to get it to the chop-shop in one piece to still have real value.

jmonroee

andres3

fintail said:

Aren't the Uber self driving rigs all Volvo XCs like that light runner? Seems to be a lot of duck-like walking and quacking in that clip. Pretty stale red too - I'd expect that kind of behavior from a local dbag Tesla driver using "autopilot" (deceptive naming and shady accounting are just as bad as traditional dealer shenanigans, IMO) anyway. I bet some lawyers are licking their chops at such things becoming more commonplace. Get hit by one of those, here's the keys to a new house. And they still need a human to pull up to the curb IIRC. LOL. I know the smug 1984 set wants a mandate for autonomous cars, but it's still a long way away.

Re: traffic calming, I thought the brave transportation engineer warriors we so gratefully defer to were accomplishing that via negligent traffic controls and poor road conditions. Of course, not a word about the extra pollution caused by choking traffic. Bikes and buses for the masses, a private car for me!

I think "Traffic Calming" is code word for "Congestion Causing."

oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

Well, I did the deed!  They met my price and trade value as I was walking out the door.  I will post more details when I get home.

Quick recovery. Congrats!

fintail

Definitely Also, pollution-causing and aggression-causing, as people will speed up and try to make up for lost time when they are able to exit the "calmed" traffic area. But we shouldn't question our smug well-compensated SJW central planning authority who always knows what is in our best interest (and seldom practices what they preach).

andres3 said:

I think "Traffic Calming" is code word for "Congestion Causing."

Mr_Shiftright

You gotta love hi-tech. First they create all the distractions causing drivers to have accidents in their gadget-ridden cars, and then they introduce autonomous driving, to take those dangers away. And once Uber has destroyed public mass transit, they'll come up with autonomous trolley cars to bring it back.

roadburner

fintail said:

Definitely Also, pollution-causing and aggression-causing, as people will speed up and try to make up for lost time when they are able to exit the "calmed" traffic area. But we shouldn't question our smug well-compensated SJW central planning authority who always knows what is in our best interest (and seldom practices what they preach).

andres3 said:

I think "Traffic Calming" is code word for "Congestion Causing."

Then there is "Vision Zero," which ostensibly claims to be a traffic safety initiative; it's true purpose is to make driving an automobile so frustrating and inconvenient that people will seek out other forms of transportation.

andres3

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/12/16/were-really-bad-at-judging-risk-to-kids-were-really-good-at-judging-parents/?utm_term=.e3bf82bad576

Super interesting article in that I find it probably explains why some of you incorrectly associate speeding with risk. You find it morally objectionable to you personally that people speed, and therefore you exaggerate the risk of the action in order to justify your moral outrage.

Finally beginning to understand the psychosis that perpetuates the "Speed Kills" myth.

andres3

graphicguy said:

So, not many of us can rent a really nice car from the rental car companies unless you dig deep into your pocket, for the first time I was able to rent something that I can never recall renting.

First, I am in Detroit actually doing some work for GM in, of all places, their Cadillac advanced technology building.

Not a whole lot of choices from Enterprise other than U.S. Branded iron. It was either a Chrysler 200 or a Chrysler minivan. I chose the 200.

Now, from everything I've read, these cars are supposed to be absolutely dreadful. Not true. The one I rented had 8,000 miles (approx) and I'm sure was their standard model.

Not bad on the inside. Ergonomics were excellent. Problem, lots of hard plastic. Weird shifter (knob) that took me a bit to get used to. UConnect (small screen version) operated well with my iPhone.

Steering was light but relatively accurate. As always, there was a fair amount of understeer. Felt good and there was never a surprise where I could point it, and it responded correctly.

Not a sports car suspension, but surprisingly good given the price point. It handled the nasty Detroit roads well. It never became flustered, but could have handled body roll a bit better relatively easily with a cheap brace.

Seats weren't good, but not bad, either. Brakes were a little grabby at first, but were fine once the car would warm up.

Stereo was pretty darned good playing my iPhone tunes. Plenty of low end, better than expected clarity, with low distortion at some fairly high volumes.

The 4 cyl motor vibrated just a bit at idle but was smooth accelerating. You won't want to try any Cafe racing with it, but it's perfectly acceptable as a Mommy motor or for someone who views cars as appliances.

The big bugaboo was the transmission (I think it's the 9-speed everyone is having troubles with). It either slams into gear, or feels like it's slipping. Isn't this a ZF unit? For a company who prides itself in making really good transmissions, they should be ashamed of themselves.

I'm sure these are being discounted pretty steeply given their life span is just about over and the model is now in Hospice.

Given all that, it's not going to compete with a Camry, Malibu, Fusion or an Accord. But, for the money, I'd take it with an extended warranty over an Altima and put a fair amount of money back in my pocket as a result.

Ever owned a Chyrsler out of warranty?

How much would an extended warranty cost on one; I'd imagine a lot of dough if they are ever going to honor the claims.

andres3

roadburner said:

fintail said:

Definitely Also, pollution-causing and aggression-causing, as people will speed up and try to make up for lost time when they are able to exit the "calmed" traffic area. But we shouldn't question our smug well-compensated SJW central planning authority who always knows what is in our best interest (and seldom practices what they preach).

andres3 said:

I think "Traffic Calming" is code word for "Congestion Causing."

Then there is "Vision Zero," which ostensibly claims to be a traffic safety initiative; it's true purpose is to make driving an automobile so frustrating and inconvenient that people will seek out other forms of transportation.

Sort of like LEED or Green building where they want less parking spaces for normal cars, and between the ADA and LEED, you end up with a bunch of disabled car spots, electric car spots, carpool spots, and bike spots that always remain empty, while any good emission reduction from all of that is wasted by the gas guzzlers circling the parking lot over and over looking for an open parking space (not to mention long idle times with the engine running).

Mr_Shiftright

Ever wonder why everyone on a San Francisco cable car is happy but everyone on a San Francisco bus is miserable?

stever

Tourists vs real people on the cable cars?

I'm on my second Chrysler (I don't count my '74 AMC CJ-5). Used the 7/70 warranty for three head gaskets on the '89 Voyager (last one was covered out of warranty). No warranty on the current one, except I get I get something on the repair that should be finished up today. It's run well for the 2 plus years we've had it.

Parking spaces are going away period, lots of places are easing the "x spaces per square feet" requirements.

suydam

andres3 said:

roadburner said:

fintail said:

Definitely Also, pollution-causing and aggression-causing, as people will speed up and try to make up for lost time when they are able to exit the "calmed" traffic area. But we shouldn't question our smug well-compensated SJW central planning authority who always knows what is in our best interest (and seldom practices what they preach).

andres3 said:

I think "Traffic Calming" is code word for "Congestion Causing."

Then there is "Vision Zero," which ostensibly claims to be a traffic safety initiative; it's true purpose is to make driving an automobile so frustrating and inconvenient that people will seek out other forms of transportation.

Sort of like LEED or Green building where they want less parking spaces for normal cars, and between the ADA and LEED, you end up with a bunch of disabled car spots, electric car spots, carpool spots, and bike spots that always remain empty, while any good emission reduction from all of that is wasted by the gas guzzlers circling the parking lot over and over looking for an open parking space (not to mention long idle times with the engine running).

Then don't drive a gas guzzler and all will be well.

Mr_Shiftright

stever said:

Tourists vs real people on the cable cars?

I'm on my second Chrysler (I don't count my '74 AMC CJ-5). Used the 7/70 warranty for three head gaskets on the '89 Voyager (last one was covered out of warranty). No warranty on the current one, except I get I get something on the repair that should be finished up today. It's run well for the 2 plus years we've had it.

Parking spaces are going away period, lots of places are easing the "x spaces per square feet" requirements.

Not always tourists,but yeah, that's part of it. My point was that the cable car is clean, fun and (amazingly) safe.

Public transportation isn't a penal colony in Europe, I don't see why it has to be here.

fintail

Yep, the city of Seattle has adopted that mindless piece of social engineering and guilt-mongering too. Glad I don't live in the city proper. The masquerade of safety hiding under the "save the world" dreams of reactionaries who seem to have little real-world accountability. The best part of it is how few of them are willing to adhere to what they demand for everyone else.

roadburner said:

Then there is "Vision Zero," which ostensibly claims to be a traffic safety initiative; it's true purpose is to make driving an automobile so frustrating and inconvenient that people will seek out other forms of transportation.

stever

Bitumen lobby.