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fintail

They do that in Seattle - 120 unit residential building where prices are so high, it takes two incomes to make the payment? 20 spaces should do. We won't offer any world class transit options either, we'll just be out of touch cradle-to-grave social engineers and in reality just allow corrupt developers to save money (as everyone else will just crowd the existing street parking), as it assuages our guilt about the environment. Sometimes it is easy to see what caused the anti-elite (won't get into how it isn't) populist movement of today.

andres3 said:

Sort of like LEED or Green building where they want less parking spaces for normal cars, and between the ADA and LEED, you end up with a bunch of disabled car spots, electric car spots, carpool spots, and bike spots that always remain empty, while any good emission reduction from all of that is wasted by the gas guzzlers circling the parking lot over and over looking for an open parking space (not to mention long idle times with the engine running).

sda

The best part of it is how few of them are willing to adhere to what they demand for everyone else.

Two examples I can think of, thou a bit dated: John Denver with having gasoline storage tanks installed so he didn't have to be bothered with the fuel shortage, and Al Gore, his 10,000+ sq/ft house and his focus on global warming. Great examples of do what I say and not what I do..

28firefighter

fintail said:

They do that in Seattle - 120 unit residential building where prices are so high, it takes two incomes to make the payment? 20 spaces should do. We won't offer any world class transit options either, we'll just be out of touch cradle-to-grave social engineers and in reality just allow corrupt developers to save money (as everyone else will just crowd the existing street parking), as it assuages our guilt about the environment. Sometimes it is easy to see what caused the anti-elite (won't get into how it isn't) populist movement of today.

andres3 said:

Sort of like LEED or Green building where they want less parking spaces for normal cars, and between the ADA and LEED, you end up with a bunch of disabled car spots, electric car spots, carpool spots, and bike spots that always remain empty, while any good emission reduction from all of that is wasted by the gas guzzlers circling the parking lot over and over looking for an open parking space (not to mention long idle times with the engine running).

This is happening at the end of my street, only worse. They are building an "apodment" - which is roughly 200 sq foot dorm room-like units with shared kitchens by floor or by multiple floors. The building going up near me is going to hold 30-40 units. No parking.

I'm hoping that part of the agreement is that our street will go to permit parking only once it opens and residents of the building are not eligible for parking permits. I'm sure that won't be the case and parking will be a total nightmare - worse than it is now.

fintail

Exactly. Al Gore is the classic example. Where is his 2000 sq ft rambler made from recycled pop bottles? Why isn't he in a Tata Nano EV conversion? Oh, of course.

sda said:

The best part of it is how few of them are willing to adhere to what they demand for everyone else.

Two examples I can think of, thou a bit dated: John Denver with having gasoline storage tanks installed so he didn't have to be bothered with the fuel shortage, and Al Gore, his 10,000+ sq/ft house and his focus on global warming. Great examples of do what I say and not what I do..

fintail

I seriously have to wonder who was bribed when it comes to so many Seattle zoning ideals. It'd be interesting to see the money trail of who is developing that building, too. Completely illogical and short-sighted. I wouldn't be surprised if those who approved it live on nice wide streets in Magnolia or Madison Park and don't have to think about it.

Fun city to visit, but unless I worked there and it enabled some kind of fantastic commute, I wouldn't live there.

28firefighter said:

This is happening at the end of my street, only worse. They are building an "apodment" - which is roughly 200 sq foot dorm room-like units with shared kitchens by floor or by multiple floors. The building going up near me is going to hold 30-40 units. No parking.

I'm hoping that part of the agreement is that our street will go to permit parking only once it opens and residents of the building are not eligible for parking permits. I'm sure that won't be the case and parking will be a total nightmare - worse than it is now.

cdnpinhead

It's ever so interesting to watch what happens when the snowflakes are in charge and try to affect life. The effect is that many people move out and the ones who stay aren't especially productive, barring those who have more money than God and don't care what anything costs.

28firefighter

We love our neighborhood, but I have to say, if I had known that Ballard was going to go so heavily in the direction it has with so little oversight from the city I probably would have looked harder at West Seattle or similar (which was also on our list and where we lived when we moved to Seattle).

fintail

Nice things cost $$$. We (as a nation) like things cheap.

Mr_Shiftright said:

Not always tourists,but yeah, that's part of it. My point was that the cable car is clean, fun and (amazingly) safe.

Public transportation isn't a penal colony in Europe, I don't see why it has to be here.

fintail

It's so physically close to downtown that I think it was bound to happen. I remember one could see it coming in my great-grandmother's Green Lake neighborhood 20 years ago too - more apartment buildings with little apparent parking, more crowded street parking, facing pressure from commercial development to the north and south, and much of that development not managed particularly well.

I am in Bellevue, which has changed a lot in even the past 10 years - but there's a lot more parking even in new developments. There seems to be more of an understanding that true world class transit is still decades off, and people need to get around.

28firefighter said:

We love our neighborhood, but I have to say, if I had known that Ballard was going to go so heavily in the direction it has with so little oversight from the city I probably would have looked harder at West Seattle or similar (which was also on our list and where we lived when we moved to Seattle).

stever

sda said:

The best part of it is how few of them are willing to adhere to what they demand for everyone else.

Two examples I can think of, thou a bit dated: John Denver with having gasoline storage tanks installed so he didn't have to be bothered with the fuel shortage,

The other version of that story is that Denver was trying to save his employee's gas. (aspentimes.com)

28firefighter

fintail said:

It's so physically close to downtown that I think it was bound to happen. I remember one could see it coming in my great-grandmother's Green Lake neighborhood 20 years ago too - more apartment buildings with little apparent parking, more crowded street parking, facing pressure from commercial development to the north and south, and much of that development not managed particularly well.

I am in Bellevue, which has changed a lot in even the past 10 years - but there's a lot more parking even in new developments. There seems to be more of an understanding that true world class transit is still decades off, and people need to get around.

28firefighter said:

We love our neighborhood, but I have to say, if I had known that Ballard was going to go so heavily in the direction it has with so little oversight from the city I probably would have looked harder at West Seattle or similar (which was also on our list and where we lived when we moved to Seattle).

It is really very true. My commute, at times, can be staggering. The buses do not run with enough consistency or early enough in the morning to get me to work to take east coast client calls, so we end up driving. We do carpool most days, which is good, but on a bad traffic day it'll take us 35 minutes to an hour to go 5.5 miles.

The reality though is since we both work in downtown Seattle, that living across the water would not improve our commutes at all. I have co-workers that commute from Sammamish and Issaquah, and it can take them 2+ hours on a heavy traffic day.

fintail

Same here for morning transit. I could make it work, but it would eat a lot of time, and the morning commute isn't the issue anyway. Even driving within Bellevue, it can be a nightmare in the evening, but I don't think the bus would save any time on surface streets, and I am paying for insurance if I drive the car or not.

If I worked in Seattle, I would want to live there, but otherwise, no thanks. Really, that goes for anywhere in the region - live in the same general area as work. I know in the past, housing prices were so varied that one could get a lot more in a distant suburb, but now you have to be 2 hours out to really find that bargain.

28firefighter said:

It is really very true. My commute, at times, can be staggering. The buses do not run with enough consistency or early enough in the morning to get me to work to take east coast client calls, so we end up driving. We do carpool most days, which is good, but on a bad traffic day it'll take us 35 minutes to an hour to go 5.5 miles.

The reality though is since we both work in downtown Seattle, that living across the water would not improve our commutes at all. I have co-workers that commute from Sammamish and Issaquah, and it can take them 2+ hours on a heavy traffic day.

sda

28firefighter said:

fintail said:

It's so physically close to downtown that I think it was bound to happen. I remember one could see it coming in my great-grandmother's Green Lake neighborhood 20 years ago too - more apartment buildings with little apparent parking, more crowded street parking, facing pressure from commercial development to the north and south, and much of that development not managed particularly well.

I am in Bellevue, which has changed a lot in even the past 10 years - but there's a lot more parking even in new developments. There seems to be more of an understanding that true world class transit is still decades off, and people need to get around.

28firefighter said:

We love our neighborhood, but I have to say, if I had known that Ballard was going to go so heavily in the direction it has with so little oversight from the city I probably would have looked harder at West Seattle or similar (which was also on our list and where we lived when we moved to Seattle).

It is really very true. My commute, at times, can be staggering. The buses do not run with enough consistency or early enough in the morning to get me to work to take east coast client calls, so we end up driving. We do carpool most days, which is good, but on a bad traffic day it'll take us 35 minutes to an hour to go 5.5 miles.

The reality though is since we both work in downtown Seattle, that living across the water would not improve our commutes at all. I have co-workers that commute from Sammamish and Issaquah, and it can take them 2+ hours on a heavy traffic day.

Yikes, and I complained about my hour 42 mile commute, 2-3 hours if snow. Everything in perspective!

28firefighter

sda said:

28firefighter said:

fintail said:

It's so physically close to downtown that I think it was bound to happen. I remember one could see it coming in my great-grandmother's Green Lake neighborhood 20 years ago too - more apartment buildings with little apparent parking, more crowded street parking, facing pressure from commercial development to the north and south, and much of that development not managed particularly well.

I am in Bellevue, which has changed a lot in even the past 10 years - but there's a lot more parking even in new developments. There seems to be more of an understanding that true world class transit is still decades off, and people need to get around.

28firefighter said:

We love our neighborhood, but I have to say, if I had known that Ballard was going to go so heavily in the direction it has with so little oversight from the city I probably would have looked harder at West Seattle or similar (which was also on our list and where we lived when we moved to Seattle).

It is really very true. My commute, at times, can be staggering. The buses do not run with enough consistency or early enough in the morning to get me to work to take east coast client calls, so we end up driving. We do carpool most days, which is good, but on a bad traffic day it'll take us 35 minutes to an hour to go 5.5 miles.

The reality though is since we both work in downtown Seattle, that living across the water would not improve our commutes at all. I have co-workers that commute from Sammamish and Issaquah, and it can take them 2+ hours on a heavy traffic day.

Yikes, and I complained about my hour 42 mile commute, 2-3 hours if snow. Everything in perspective!

My mom used to make a 70 mile round trip commute when I was growing up. On a bad day it took an hour and a half one way - most days 30-40 minutes. But she also worked outside of Philadelphia and was going against traffic.

abacomike

Took some pictures of the new 740i, hope they turned out OK.

roadburner

Nice! It looks like the GM's 750i.

roadburner

In non car-related news, my son and I saw Rogue One last night; two BIG thumbs up- it is the best Star Wars movie since the original trilogy.

berri

The car looks very nice, but the warmth and sun look eve nicer!!!

abacomike

roadburner said:

In non car-related news, my son and I saw Rogue One last night; two BIG thumbs up- it is the best Star Wars movie since the original trilogy.

I'm looking forward to seeing the new Star Wars flick. I've been a Sci-Fi freak since I was a little kid - spaceships, ET's, etc., along with lots of action is a real turn-on for me. Now, as soon as I can get into a movie theater without having to stand in line for an hour or sit next to a load of sick people (we call them "flu" tourists down here from the north), I'll be happy as a high-flying kite!

abacomike

roadburner said:

Nice! It looks like the GM's 750i.

RB - I've been trying to catch up on months of posts these past few days - and I "think" I read someplace that you were at a BMW dealership or something - what gives? Or am I just still too buzzed and read something else?

abacomike

berri said:

The car looks very nice, but the warmth and sun look eve nicer!!!

So true, so very true!!!

roadburner

abacomike said:

roadburner said:

Nice! It looks like the GM's 750i.

RB - I've been trying to catch up on months of posts these past few days - and I "think" I read someplace that you were at a BMW dealership or something - what gives? Or am I just still too buzzed and read something else?

Nope, you read it right; I'm one of the product Geniuses at my local dealer.

abacomike

roadburner said:

abacomike said:

roadburner said:

Nice! It looks like the GM's 750i.

RB - I've been trying to catch up on months of posts these past few days - and I "think" I read someplace that you were at a BMW dealership or something - what gives? Or am I just still too buzzed and read something else?

Nope, you read it right; I'm one of the product Geniuses at my local dealer.

That is truly AWESOME! I think that is one of the best and most unique approaches to car deliveries I've ever seen. When I was at the Infiniti Dealership, I had two "Delivery Specialists" who did nothing but deliver new cars to customers in order to keep the salesmen out of the loop in delivering new cars. Salesmen usually try to rush the process and are always thinking of the next customer and the next sale. Special personnel who are maven's or guru's in the product and accessories - function and engineering - are the ones who should be delivering cars to customers.

I already have an appointment on Monday morning at 11:00 AM with one of the Geniuses who actually sold me my car. The technology on this 740i is mind-boggling. I was introduced to this little thing they call a Display Key that sits in its own cradle in the center console as it charges itself wirelessly. I haven't figured out all of its capabilities, but supposedly you can use it instead of carrying the car key in your pocket. It has a screen which gives you data about the car and it enables access to the car and remote HVAC, if I understood the presentation correctly. So this "Genius" calls me this morning to set up an appointment with me because, as he told me, "...now that you have driven the car for a day, you probably need some intensive debriefing and instruction on lots of topics and issues..."! He was right - I still haven't figured out how to find out how many miles are on the car.

Interesting job, RB - and from what I understand, each BMW dealership has a team of such Geniuses. Where I bought the car, they have 6 Geniuses on their team. Impressive!

carnaught

Mike, beautiful car, and really like your interior color. How 'bout some interior, dash pics.?

Many safe miles!

fintail

For Seattle metro, I use a 15 mph rule, or really, for every 15 miles you live from work, budget an hour and expect worse at times. I have two co-workers who both live almost exactly 15 miles from the office, in different directions. Their commutes are generally 60-80 minutes. I am around 4 miles from work, and my evening commute averages about 15 minutes, it works there too.

28firefighter said:

My mom used to make a 70 mile round trip commute when I was growing up. On a bad day it took an hour and a half one way - most days 30-40 minutes. But she also worked outside of Philadelphia and was going against traffic.

fintail

Lovely, best colors, can't imagine why people choose these things in black.

abacomike said:

Took some pictures of the new 740i, hope they turned out OK.

roadburner

abacomike said:

Interesting job, RB - and from what I understand, each BMW dealership has a team of such Geniuses. Where I bought the car, they have 6 Geniuses on their team. Impressive!

Our center has two; I'm full time and the other Genius is part time. In addition to encores I have been greeting customers and conducting test drives. I also field phone calls as well as questions from the service lane. This month we are short a couple of salespeople so I'm backstopping the sales staff at high traffic times so I might even make a sale or two.

abacomike

roadburner said:

abacomike said:

Interesting job, RB - and from what I understand, each BMW dealership has a team of such Geniuses. Where I bought the car, they have 6 Geniuses on their team. Impressive!

Our center has two; I'm full time and the other Genius is part time. In addition to encores I have been greeting customers and conducting test drives. I also field phone calls as well as questions from the service lane. This month we are short a couple of salespeople so I'm backstopping the sales staff at high traffic times so I might even make a sale or two.

If I felt well enough, that would be the kind of job I would love to have. Being around cars all day without the stress usually accompanied with selling cars in a dealership. Then, being able to tinker and play with all the latest technology - truly a magnificent way to enjoy making a living.

The reason the Genius ended up selling me the car and doing all the paperwork is because this was a "HOUSE" deal. I first talked with the GSM and I explained to him that I used to buy all my BMW's at his dealership. Further, that I was not willing to work with a salesman with all the back-and-forth pricing and negotiating. He then assigned me to this Genius - he was superb, laid back and very accommodating. Before becoming a Genius, he sold cars for the dealership - so he was familiar with the entire process. All-in-all, it was the best buying experience I have ever had.

abacomike

carnaught said:

Mike, beautiful car, and really like your interior color. How 'bout some interior, dash pics.?

Many safe miles!

Thanks, carnaught! Much appreciated.

abacomike

fintail said:

Lovely, best colors, can't imagine why people choose these things in black.

abacomike said:

Took some pictures of the new 740i, hope they turned out OK.

My exact thoughts, fintail.

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

fintail said:

Yep, 740 was an angular boxy highline Volvo starting from 1984 until around 1991-92. BMW also has some history with the 740 moniker, going back to the later E32 7er around 1992.

My wife had a 1991 740 Turbo- it was almost fast for it's time. I shut down more than one automatic Fox Body 5.0 GT with it.

The 1991 mustang GT had 225 hp. Not hard to beat.

28firefighter

We had a 1993 Volvo 940 Turbo growing up - still remains the longest held car my parents have ever had. We bought it new in 1992 and didn't sell it until 2003 with 140,000 miles. I wanted to learn to drive on it, but my Mom was insistent that the safety features were outdated and that it was too fast (!) for a young driver.

explorerx4

@oldfarmer,
Volvo had 160 HP, so I'm thinking bad drivers.
Best thing about it was this ad:
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=volvo+740+wagon+ad&view=detailv2&&id=A6CFF8D7ABE200B83B8FE7221A0513A77E52DFF9&selectedIndex=0&ccid=LoLqoCIU&simid=608040935142985078&thid=OIP.M2e82eaa0221472d465e6e3fd8928ea3co0

oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

Took some pictures of the new 740i, hope they turned out OK.

Classy.

Mr_Shiftright

stever said:

sda said:

The best part of it is how few of them are willing to adhere to what they demand for everyone else.

Two examples I can think of, thou a bit dated: John Denver with having gasoline storage tanks installed so he didn't have to be bothered with the fuel shortage,

The other version of that story is that Denver was trying to save his employee's gas. (aspentimes.com)

Ironic, in that he died flying a small plane unfamiliar to him and apparently couldn't find, or reach, the fuel reserve valve. Down he went.

driver100

houdini1 said:

driver100 said:

houdini1 said:

so I bought a Lexus LX. Saved some money on taxes, but due to the law of unintended consequences, my wife fell in love with the darn thing, and now she is on her 3rd one. Cost me big in the long run, but they are really great vehicles.

I thought you were going to say, But my wife was worth it"

Thank you for reminding me driver. Anytime I appear to be taking my wife for granted, please let me know, because that is definitely not my intent. She is way beyond being worth anything I could ever provide for her.

Very nicely said houdini, - you are a very fortunate man to feel that way. I feel the same way...about my wife.....not yours (though I am sure she is a wonderful lady), oh geez, I forget where I was going with this

driver100

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

Great review on the 200 GG. I like reading well done reviews by real people...who are checking out the same things I would notice.

The top 10 cars stolen in Canada last year:
2007 Ford F-350 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2006 Ford F-350 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2005 Ford F-350 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2004 Ford F-350 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2003 Ford F-350 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2015 Toyota 4Runner 4-door 4WD SUV
2003 Cadillac Escalade 4-door 4WD SUV
2002 Ford F-350 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2006 Ford F-250 Super Duty 4WD Pickup
2010 Acura ZDX 4-door AWD SUV

Canadian thieves favor 4WD vehicles, and they love F-350s.

Gee, I wonder why they like 4WD vehicles.

Do you think it has anything to do with the citizens that man-up and don't run off to Florida in the Winter?

jmonroe

lol JM, But those guys are the dopes...they have to steal a truck to get through the winter...I found a better way.
And I can say goodbye to snowblowers too. I never have to wax or spray PAM on a snowblower....have fun, I hear there will be a windchill of -35 in Boston on Sunday. :@

driver100

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

fintail said:

I suspect 31K bought a heck of a nice house in Omaha in 1956 (60 years ago). Not that he isn't frugal for his means, but I doubt he's living in a concrete block 2/1 tract bungalow. Cool that he's not in a gawd awful modern mansion anyway. Interesting man for sure.

I have a co-worker who makes a decent salary nowadays, and had this idea of retiring by 50. I think he gave up on it - cost of living is huge here, he got tired of dealing with a 21 year old car with 250K on it, and it's private sector, so no gilded pension.

driver100 said:

For some people, money does not change their lifestyle. This holds true for Warren Buffet. Warren has been living in the same 5-bedroom house that he bought 50 years ago in 1956 in Omaha, Nebraska. In 1956, he bought the house for $31, 500. His house has no wall or fence. He loves to drive himself and has no driver. Although he is the owner of world’s largest private jet company, he has never traveled by private jet in his life.

His favorite past time is to sit down and watch TV, while having popcorns made by himself.

If you are happy, doesn't matter how you got there

The average cost of a new house in 1956 was $11,700, and the average monthly rent was $88.00. In terms of commodities, the average cost of a gallon of automobile gas was 22 cents. A new car costed approximately $2,050. The price of ground coffee per pound was about 85 cents.

Still....the guy is a $Billionaire...could live anywhere....Omaha??????

I never knew my parents were affluent.

When we moved from the Burgh to the suburbs in '56 we moved into a newly built ranch house and they paid just under 16K for it. Now I think they were holding out us kids. I didn't even get an allowance, I had to deliver papers for my money.

Man, if they were around today I'd sure give them a piece of my mind. :@

jmonroe

I just read another article that said not to give kids too much money. If you do they won't go out and fight for the things they want. They'll expect their parents to provide for them....they won't learn how to take on the world. Your parents did you a big favor.

Probably $16k house in the Berg averaged out with a similar house that sold for $9k in Omaha. Maybe they weren't so well off!

driver100

andres3 said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/12/16/were-really-bad-at-judging-risk-to-kids-were-really-good-at-judging-parents/?utm_term=.e3bf82bad576

Super interesting article in that I find it probably explains why some of you incorrectly associate speeding with risk. You find it morally objectionable to you personally that people speed, and therefore you exaggerate the risk of the action in order to justify your moral outrage.

Finally beginning to understand the psychosis that perpetuates the "Speed Kills" myth.

All I know is a guy goes speeding by and zig zags through traffic and puts the people all around him in danger, and I resent it!

Mr_Shiftright

My friend who is quite wealthy arranged that his daughter wouldn't get any family money until age 40. She just got her PhD in neuroscience, and what's interesting is that she doesn't seem to have much interest in "stuff" at all.
So there may be something to what you say.

driver100

Mike, the car looks great....I like the white with beige interior...Hey that's what mine will be if I ever get it.

I'm not sure if the backup camera was working, you are on the lines.

roadburner

explorerx4 said:

@oldfarmer,
Volvo had 160 HP, so I'm thinking bad drivers.
Best thing about it was this ad:
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=volvo+740+wagon+ad&view=detailv2&&id=A6CFF8D7ABE200B83B8FE7221A0513A77E52DFF9&selectedIndex=0&ccid=LoLqoCIU&simid=608040935142985078&thid=OIP.M2e82eaa0221472d465e6e3fd8928ea3co0

No, the slushbox 5.0 Mustangs were slugs. I thought about buying a GT and the dealer only had one car to drive- with two pedals. I floored it at 10 mph and the rear tires wouldn't even chirp. The manuals were relatively quick for their day but the autoboxes were dismal.

ab348

roadburner said:

In non car-related news, my son and I saw Rogue One last night; two BIG thumbs up- it is the best Star Wars movie since the original trilogy.

I hear the sequel is going to be called "RAV Four".

carnaught

driver100 said:

Mike, the car looks great....

I'm not sure if the backup camera was working, you are on the lines.

No, he's just hogging two parking spaces. He doesn't want to get parking lot dings .

driver100

Mr_Shiftright said:

My friend who is quite wealthy arranged that his daughter wouldn't get any family money until age 40. She just got her PhD in neuroscience, and what's interesting is that she doesn't seem to have much interest in "stuff" at all.
So there may be something to what you say.

Most people who really make it do it the hard way. You have to suffer and want it badly, that doesn't happen when you are given everything.

It's like my wife. Before I knew her she did beautiful oil paintings and she won awards for them. Since she met me she planned on painting but never got around to it.......I tell her she doesn't have the anger she used to have to produce those wonderful paintings. Those were the angry pre-Driver years.

abacomike

carnaught said:

Mike, the car looks great.... I'm not sure if the backup camera was working, you are on the lines.

No, he's just hogging two parking spaces. He doesn't want to get parking lot dings .

You tell him, carnaught.  Actually, I took those pics this afternoon in the "empty" parking lot of our theater area.  I just backed the car in between two spots facing the setting sun so the pics would show the car in a brighter mode.  As for dings on the doors, i pray every day I don't get dinged.  The Mercedes CLS didn't have a mark on it.  Just pure luck.

explorerx4

@roadburner,
I agree that the automatic in the Fox 5.0 is not a god transmission.
It upshifts way too quickly.
That being said, who floors it from 10 mph?
These cars were made to go from a standing start.
On a foot from brake pedal to gas start, my '91 is still tough to beat out of the hole.

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

@roadburner,
I agree that the automatic in the Fox 5.0 is not a god transmission.
It upshifts way too quickly.
That being said, who floors it from 10 mph?
These cars were made to go from a standing start.
On a foot from brake pedal to gas start, my '91 is still tough to beat out of the hole.

What sort of gearing does your Mustang have? My Lincoln has 55 more hp but because of the 3.09 rear it's not a screamer off the line.

roadburner

explorerx4 said:

@roadburner,
I agree that the automatic in the Fox 5.0 is not a god transmission.
It upshifts way too quickly.
That being said, who floors it from 10 mph?
These cars were made to go from a standing start.
On a foot from brake pedal to gas start, my '91 is still tough to beat out of the hole.

My law partner had a stock 1985 GT with the five speed and it could light up the rear tires at will; I figures with 50 more hp the 91 would be quick even with an automatic. The 740 Turbo was very quick off the line because it had a loose torque converter(almost a "high stall speed') and a turbo that made significant boost from 2000 rpm up. So... sidestep the brake and you were gone. The TC locked up in the higher gears so there wasn't a real penalty for the low speed behavior.

explorerx4

@oldfarmer,
Mine has a 3.08 gear, but eh 5.0 makes a lot more low end torque which gets you moving.
Higher horsepower shows up later on., say at the end of the a quarter mile.
@roadburner,
You are talking about holding the revs @2k with your right foot and sidestepping your left foot off the brake?