Global warming a myth? Wow, apparently some have successfully avoided viewing pictures of Greenland or the Antarctic ice sheet. By the way, global warming is not weather it is climate. Big difference. I am betting on my property in mid Maryland becoming beach front for my grand children.
To paraphrase: Wow. I recommend that some catch up on the growth of the ice caps the last couple of years. As well, they might want to catch up on the misleading interpretation of data that the global warming group was caught in several years ago when emails were exposed.
Otherwise, I would also suggest avoiding this political topic because others have differing, varied opinions on this highly scientific topic that has been hijacked as a political financial issue by the carbon TAX folks.
Guy buys a $900,000 Hybrid Porcshe on Sept 3rd. Buys gas for it 2 days ago. Some of the gas overflows and ignites on the hot exhaust pipe. This is what happened;
Looks like Porsche needs to employ better engineers. Poor design.
Will we get an outpouring of outrage over this design flaw? -- as we did for the GM design flaw in their car's ignition switch?
Imid....wasn't going to touch it. I agree with yout post. It never ceases to amaze me how egotistical some of us are to think we can, in any significant way, change earth's evolution, or change the weather. Polar caps have been changing over tens of thousands of years. All of a sudden, we think we're going to change that. I don't get it.
Imid....wasn't going to touch it. I agree with yout post. It never ceases to amaze me how egotistical some of us are to think we can, in any significant way, change earth's evolution, or change the weather. Polar caps have been changing over tens of thousands of years. All of a sudden, we think we're going to change that. I don't get it.
I take a different approach - is it "possible" that, since the industrial revolution in the 1880's-1890's, the Earth has been warming at its surface due to increased levels of certain gases as well as pollution? I don't know whether it has or hasn't, but I cannot say for sure that there is no justification for climate change due to global warming.
What I am trying to say is that I am on the fence, so to speak, much like an agnostic is on the fence in regard to the existence o God. My take is that global warming may or may not be occurring - I am not convinced one way or the other.
I may never be of the opinion that global warming is fact or fiction.
@oldfarmer50, apparently the antifreeze doesn't bother the marmots and they really like it. If you can believe some forum posts.
Everyone else (you too @snakeweasel), been there, done that - we aren't going to change anyone's minds about global warming in here so let's just skip ahead to the next topic please. Like, is anyone shopping for cars at month/quarter end?
And with all the end of the month buying frenzy, when will the automakers start changing their month end for bonus purposes? Seems like a brand could make some hay by encouraging killer deals mid-month (but then they'd get killed at month end I suppose).
@oldfarmer50, apparently the antifreeze doesn't bother the marmots and they really like it. If you can believe some forum posts.
Everyone else (you too @snakeweasel), been there, done that - we aren't going to change anyone's minds about global warming in here so let's just skip ahead to the next topic please. Like, is anyone shopping for cars at month/quarter end?
And with all the end of the month buying frenzy, when will the automakers start changing their month end for bonus purposes? Seems like a brand could make some hay by encouraging killer deals mid-month (but then they'd get killed at month end I suppose).
Not trying to change anyone's mind, just making an off colored remark.
Anyway since my comment appatently disappeared I would ask again. How does being parked on a collage campus say anything about any car?
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I'm trying. Mazda dealer Saturday flat out said they are hunting sales for the month and he could be more aggressive. If I could only get someone to buy at least one of my old cars!
Perhaps you're thinking of "Pink Cadillac", Bruce Springsteen
Now some folks say it's too big And uses too much gas Some folks say it's too old And that it goes too fast But my love is bigger than a Honda It's bigger than a Subaru
Nope:
"Making Love in a Subaru That's what I wanna do with you We can always feel around the steering wheel There seems to be so much that we can do..."
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@oldfarmer50, apparently the antifreeze doesn't bother the marmots and they really like it. If you can believe some forum posts.
Everyone else (you too @snakeweasel), been there, done that - we aren't going to change anyone's minds about global warming in here so let's just skip ahead to the next topic please. Like, is anyone shopping for cars at month/quarter end?
And with all the end of the month buying frenzy, when will the automakers start changing their month end for bonus purposes? Seems like a brand could make some hay by encouraging killer deals mid-month (but then they'd get killed at month end I suppose).
Not trying to change anyone's mind, just making an off colored remark.
Anyway since my comment appatently disappeared I would ask again. How does being parked on a collage campus say anything about any car?
I learned something new today. I was perusing future cruise-ins in this area and one in tiny Camden, Ohio, has 10 awards for Corvettes--because the person who named the Corvette was from Camden, Ohio. Myron E. Scott.
@oldfarmer50, apparently the antifreeze doesn't bother the marmots and they really like it. If you can believe some forum posts.
Everyone else (you too @snakeweasel), been there, done that - we aren't going to change anyone's minds about global warming in here so let's just skip ahead to the next topic please. Like, is anyone shopping for cars at month/quarter end?
And with all the end of the month buying frenzy, when will the automakers start changing their month end for bonus purposes? Seems like a brand could make some hay by encouraging killer deals mid-month (but then they'd get killed at month end I suppose).
I was thinking the same thing myself. Dealers aren't stupid. If the public THINKS the best deals are at the end of the month I'm sure dealers will be ready with a pitch to make them think the deals are better then.
Even if they aren't.
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well, like the guy told me Saturday. He would pull hard to punch another deal for the end of the month, but if not, need to start the clock on the next month the Wednesday.
I'm trying. Mazda dealer Saturday flat out said they are hunting sales for the month and he could be more aggressive. If I could only get someone to buy at least one of my old cars!
Wow, no bites on either one? Even Q sold his old MB (but he won't say for how much).
How about posting your ads so that we may mercilessly critique your form?
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"I was thinking the same thing myself. Dealers aren't stupid. If the public THINKS the best deals are at the end of the month I'm sure dealers will be ready with a pitch to make them think the deals are better then."
Actually, deals "can" be better at the end of the month. It really depends on whether or not the dealership has achieved its volume goal got the month. In most cases, goals are only achieved through aggressively selling cars at rock-bottom prices At the end of each month.
The two dealerships I worked for would take any reasonable deal at the end of the month even at 0 profit or even at a slight loss in order to reach sales goals. I remember one deal I made when I was a manager where we had a net loss on the car - behind invoice and behind hold-back. But that's what was needed to sell that last car of the month. Sometimes the saying. "...whatever it takes..." Is actually true.
I would recommend to anyone looking to lease or buy a car to do it on the last day of the month - it's the best time to buy a car. You may have to settle for a second or third choice in color or equipment, but the deal would be worth it!
Farmer. I had a promising discussion yesterday on the TL but it seemed to fizzle out (the guy had a bunch of questions, ran a car fax, asked for more pictures, then "had to go talk to his car savvy coworkers"). Another guy on Saturday was coming, but found something else first.
Volvo, I think 1 or 2 initial inquiries that never responded when I got back to them.
I thought the TL would get a lot more action, but you never can tell.
I would recommend to anyone looking to lease or buy a car to do it on the last day of the month - it's the best time to buy a car. You may have to settle for a second or third choice in color or equipment, but the deal would be worth it!
I would think that the odds are better that at the end of the month the dealership has either made their sales quota or is so far behind that they won't make their quota.
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"I would think that the odds are better that at the end of the month the dealership has either made their sales quota or is so far behind that they won't make their quota."
In the dealerships I worked at, both of which were number 1 in national sales volume for Lexus and Infiniti, respectively, each would take almost any deal, within reason including slight losses, on the last day or two of any month, whether they had met their sales quotas or not.
It is quite possible other dealerships operate differently, but if you go to a high volume dealership, chances are you will get your best deal at the end of the month.
My new car is at the port in Georgia (Brunswick). I was told that the cars are prepared at that port and then go directly to the dealerships from there - they no longer go through Jacksonville. They expect my car to be at the dealership by next week sometime.
Now I am beginning to get s little excited about the prospect of taking delivery on my birthday (October 10th) which would be perfect!
Thanks Bradd. I know from experience sometimes it takes a while. I am just getting antsy! I even waxed it since those pictures so it looks better in person.
pretty sure once someone shows up they will snap it up. Just have to get them here. The wife is parking in the lot at her office tomorrow with a sign in it. maybe that will help.
I am making a run up to Rockland Friday for a couple of days to check on pops. Will probably take the Volvo, though could also take the TL and park it up there.
very frustrating. If no action this week, guess the price goes down again.
speaking of CL, I did get a response this afternoon on the Volvo ad. Turns out it was a sales manager from the local Volvo dealer (where I get it serviced). They must troll the sites looking for cleaner/newer Volvos for sale. He emailed asking if I would be interested in trading it in (and touting the extra 1K loyalty bonus). He did give me a ballpark trade estimate at least (about what I expected, with the 1K being a freebie on top). Too bad I can't afford a new one!
He is supposed to shoot me a note tomorrow when the new lease programs come out in case he can make me a "killer deal". And nice of him, he said to let him know and he could connect me to some wholesalers if I just wanted to sell it to be done with it.
Farmer. I had a promising discussion yesterday on the TL but it seemed to fizzle out (the guy had a bunch of questions, ran a car fax, asked for more pictures, then "had to go talk to his car savvy coworkers"). Another guy on Saturday was coming, but found something else first.
Volvo, I think 1 or 2 initial inquiries that never responded when I got back to them.
I thought the TL would get a lot more action, but you never can tell.
They both look really nice. I figured the Acura would sell in a day for that price!
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"I was thinking the same thing myself. Dealers aren't stupid. If the public THINKS the best deals are at the end of the month I'm sure dealers will be ready with a pitch to make them think the deals are better then."
Actually, deals "can" be better at the end of the month. It really depends on whether or not the dealership has achieved its volume goal got the month. In most cases, goals are only achieved through aggressively selling cars at rock-bottom prices At the end of each month.
The two dealerships I worked for would take any reasonable deal at the end of the month even at 0 profit or even at a slight loss in order to reach sales goals. I remember one deal I made when I was a manager where we had a net loss on the car - behind invoice and behind hold-back. But that's what was needed to sell that last car of the month. Sometimes the saying. "...whatever it takes..." Is actually true.
I would recommend to anyone looking to lease or buy a car to do it on the last day of the month - it's the best time to buy a car. You may have to settle for a second or third choice in color or equipment, but the deal would be worth it!
I knew the end of the month was the best time to buy, but, forgot when I bought the MB. Actually, we went to look at the E but I really didn't think I would end up buying one. When I bought the 2012 535 I liked it more than the E, so thought I was just going to be comparing, but, not buying.
Mike, here is my question. When does the sale actually get counted. Since it sounds like you have to take a car from stock, it sounds like you have to buy and take delivery by the end of the month.
When we bought the Passat the dealer asked if I could forward the purchase date to the next month? It didn't matter to me so I said sure. He probably had his quota for the current month, but wanted to get started on building the next month. Maybe dealers mess around with that too. If they make one months quota, maybe stall deliveries so they go into the next month....what do you think?
Farmer. I had a promising discussion yesterday on the TL but it seemed to fizzle out (the guy had a bunch of questions, ran a car fax, asked for more pictures, then "had to go talk to his car savvy coworkers"). Another guy on Saturday was coming, but found something else first.
Volvo, I think 1 or 2 initial inquiries that never responded when I got back to them.
I thought the TL would get a lot more action, but you never can tell.
The ads are excellent. Makes me want to buy both of them...nice clean well cared for cars and reasonably priced. Mileage is a bit high, but, the price seems fair considering, and we know they are well cared for miles.
Update on the $825000 Porsche that burned to a crisp. The owner was on the radio this morning, said he couldn't give details, the manufacturer is sending the car back to Germany to study it to see what went wrong.
Additional information: Earlier this year Porsche recalled every single version of its GT3 sports car because the engines were catching fire. And now this has happened.
The 918 Spyder, a hybrid supercar valued at $825,000, caught fire yesterday at a gas station near Toronto, Canada.
According to witness reports, the gas overflowed and then ignited from the heat of the exhaust. The 918 uses a unique exhaust layout, with the exhaust pipes exiting upward, rather than out the back.
The car is believed to belong to Michael Wekerle, a man described as “Mick Jagger meets Warren Buffett” and the CEO of investment firm Difference Capital. Wek, as he’s known, is also a star of the hit CBC show “Dragon’s Den” (the original show "Shark Tank").
farmer - hey, it was on Ebay for everyone to see! The buyer got a great deal, IMHO. I really expected it to get bid up some, but it didn't. Oh well. After fees and whatnot, I wound up getting about $300 less than I paid for it a few years back.
stick - Acura looks nicer than I pictured in my head, but still a buttload of miles. $2500 and take $2200 or even $2k if you get hard up. Granted, dealers would have the TL listed at $4k-$4500, but you are dealing with a Craigs audience. Have you considered Ebay on that one?
Volvo ... I dunno. I mean, that's a $5500 auction car, so not a lot of room there. what did the dealer offer you? $5k?
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Q, dealer without seeing it said about 5K, possibly adjusted for condition. Plus the 1K loyalty bonus. So yeah, at this point, not much of a spread to asking. I can keep that one if I have to get that low on price. Not like it will depreciate much more in another year/2-3K miles. And I need something to drive for the next few years.
I also have no desire to try out Ebay at this point.
I may drop the Acura to $2,500 next time I update. Not desperate to sell, but I do want to clear the space! Local Acura dealer actually has the identical car (year/color) listed for 4K but it has 199,000 miles on it. Odd to see that at a new car dealer.
Looking at the ads once you get into the low/mid 2's, there is a lot of needy/ugly/scary crap out there. Yes, this has miles, but cleaner by far than most of the other cheap cars. I still think once someone comes they will snap it up. Just need to get them out.
I agree, once someone comes out and sees the Acura, they will buy it. What's funny here is that if it was a Honda, it would be easier to sell. Old Hondas in good shape sell very quickly for a ridiculous (to me) amount of money.
The Volvo, not so much. I expect Volvos are going to be a bit of a hard sell.
maybe I should relabel it an Accord. People used to do that with Geos (called them Toyota Corollas)
If I don't sell the Volvo I will take it as a sign that I should keep it for a couple of years as my spare car. My wife kind of likes it, and won't mind if I steal her car if I need to travel. Plus, it is probably in that gray area, where it depreciated enough (crossing the magic 100K mark) that a couple more years of low miles probably won't change the value all that much. certainly less than a new car will depreciate!
"Mike, here is my question. When does the sale actually get counted. Since it sounds like you have to take a car from stock, it sounds like you have to buy and take delivery by the end of the month."
Yes, you must take delivery on or before the last sales day for that month. On the case you mentioned when the dealer asked if you could take delivery the first of the following month, the answer is yes and no! In the dealerships where I worked, "immediate delivery" was the way they worked whether they hit quotas or not. Delaying delivery of a new car by a day or two is risky - the buyer could go to another dealer and beat our price. Remember, until and unless that car leaves the dealership property with the buyer driving the car, possession has not occurred. Without that possession taking place, the deal can be cancelled by either the seller or the buyer.
"Mike, here is my question. When does the sale actually get counted. Since it sounds like you have to take a car from stock, it sounds like you have to buy and take delivery by the end of the month."
Yes, you must take delivery on or before the last sales day for that month. On the case you mentioned when the dealer asked if you could take delivery the first of the following month, the answer is yes and no! In the dealerships where I worked, "immediate delivery" was the way they worked whether they hit quotas or not. Delaying delivery of a new car by a day or two is risky - the buyer could go to another dealer and beat our price. Remember, until and unless that car leaves the dealership property with the buyer driving the car, possession has not occurred. Without that possession taking place, the deal can be cancelled by either the seller or the buyer.
You mean the dealer can change his mind and not sell me the new Mercedes even though I put $3000 down. A contract is a contract if money changes hands right.....shouldn't be dependent on me driving away.
Can I cancel between now and delivery day? I thought the contract was the factor.
In the case of the Passat, the deal was all normal, they just wanted to move the final contract up to November, even though the car came in in October. They offered to give me something to do it, but it didn't matter to me so I just did it.
"You mean the dealer can change his mind and not sell me the new Mercedes even though I put $3000 down. A contract is a contract if money changes hands right.....shouldn't be dependent on me driving away."
I don't know if the same is true in Canada, driver. Down here in the U.S., there are State statutes that govern large dollar purchases mainly to protect the consumer, not the seller.
Let's assume that you sign a lease and the dealer wants you to take possession of the leased vehicle immediately. You, on the other hand, cannot take delivery because you are leaving town in 1 hour and won't be back for delivery of the car for 1 week.
One week later, you return home to Tampa, FL. And you have a heart attack and you are rushed to the hospital. Delivery of the vehicle is again delayed.
Three weeks later, you return to the dealership to take delivery. The dealership tells you they sold the car you leased. They claim that the contract became null and void due to the fact that you did not take delivery of you car in a reasonable amount of time.
On contract law, there are 3 required rules for a contract to be legal:
OFFER - the dealer offers a car to you for a specific price.
CONSIDERATION - the price is $500 per month with $2500 due at signing. You agree and give the required down payment etc.
ACCEPTANCE - even though you sign the contract a provide the monies (consideration), there must be provable acceptance - taking possession of the car.
If just one of the above requirements is not fulfilled, the contract is unenforceable and becomes null and void.
But, the dealer can offer you another car as a replacement for the same or similar terms, but the process must begin anew with new paperwork, signatures, etc. the dealer is required to return your deposit so long as it can be proved that you could not accept delivery for the above reasons.
It gets complicated as you can see. But you can refuse delivery (acceptance is not forthcoming) and thus the contract becomes void or unenforceable because ACCEPTANCE did not occur.
In your case, you have a signed contract to purchase a car at an agreed-upon price. It also includes a trade. I am sure your contract states that the trade is subject to reappraisal at time of delivery.
There are some attorneys here who might be able to explain thing better than I did.
"You mean the dealer can change his mind and not sell me the new Mercedes even though I put $3000 down. A contract is a contract if money changes hands right.....shouldn't be dependent on me driving away."
I don't know if the same is true in Canada, driver. Down here in the U.S., there are State statutes that govern large dollar purchases mainly to protect the consumer, not the seller.
Let's assume that you sign a lease and the dealer wants you to take possession of the leased vehicle immediately. You, on the other hand, cannot take delivery because you are leaving town in 1 hour and won't be back for delivery of the car for 1 week.
One week later, you return home to Tampa, FL. And you have a heart attack and you are rushed to the hospital. Delivery of the vehicle is again delayed.
Three weeks later, you return to the dealership to take delivery. The dealership tells you they sold the car you leased. They claim that the contract became null and void due to the fact that you did not take delivery of you car in a reasonable amount of time.
On contract law, there are 3 required rules for a contract to be legal:
OFFER - the dealer offers a car to you for a specific price.
CONSIDERATION - the price is $500 per month with $2500 due at signing. You agree and give the required down payment etc.
ACCEPTANCE - even though you sign the contract a provide the monies (consideration), there must be provable acceptance - taking possession of the car.
If just one of the above requirements is not fulfilled, the contract is unenforceable and becomes null and void.
But, the dealer can offer you another car as a replacement for the same or similar terms, but the process must begin anew with new paperwork, signatures, etc. the dealer is required to return your deposit so long as it can be proved that you could not accept delivery for the above reasons.
It gets complicated as you can see. But you can refuse delivery (acceptance is not forthcoming) and thus the contract becomes void or unenforceable because ACCEPTANCE did not occur.
In your case, you have a signed contract to purchase a car at an agreed-upon price. It also includes a trade. I am sure your contract states that the trade is subject to reappraisal at time of delivery.
There are some attorneys here who might be able to explain thing better than I did.
You explained it perfectly for me, Mike. I have never heard of someone voiding a sale, once the agreement has been signed and a deposit taken. I believe, although I have no direct experience, that a deal has been completed once the papers are signed, money is exchanged. If you buy in your home there is a cooling off period of 10 days I believe.
I would think there would have to be a serious reason for breaking a contract.
So, if your quota for October was filled, and someone was buying a car on the evening of October 31st, you wouldn't change the contract to say it was signed Nov 1st to get you started on November's quota.
When I was in book sales I would just try to reach my quota for the year to get my bonus. I didn't want to exceed it too much...I wouldn't get much extra and the following year they would raise my quota 10%, so the more I went over the more I would have to go over the following year.
No wonder I was such a bad employee and got canned 3X in a row.
for those following my saga, I know only have 1 car of my own (2 in family counting my wife's). The TL has moved on to a new home.
as I suspected, when someone finally came to look, they would realize it was better than the usual crap in the price range, and pull out a bunch of Benjamins and take it home with them. And that is what happened.
relieved to have trimmed the fleet. Now, if someone does show up and wants the Volvo, I could be down to none. And we all know what that means.
for those following my saga, I know only have 1 car of my own (2 in family counting my wife's). The TL has moved on to a new home.
as I suspected, when someone finally came to look, they would realize it was better than the usual crap in the price range, and pull out a bunch of Benjamins and take it home with them. And that is what happened.
relieved to have trimmed the fleet. Now, if someone does show up and wants the Volvo, I could be down to none. And we all know what that means.
We all knew you would get it done. Great work. One down, one to go! Good luck stick.
< If you buy in your home there is a cooling off period of 10 days I believe.
I don't think so unless the salesperson was going door to door like a Kirby salesperson and initially sold you the car that way. There was some concern years ago about tent sales and buyers backing out because they didn't buy the car at the dealers. Then it was determined (by a court I suppose) that the tent or parking lot sale was simply an extension of the dealer. Plenty of dealers made potential buyers do the deal at the store though, and probably still do.
And in the US, for the few things that do trigger a cooling off period, that period is three days.
Source? Just skimming posts here for a decade plus. Lots of AG sites talk about this though, like Georgia's.
There's probably some exceptions - NJ gives you a day to review lease contracts and California has something about used cars I think.
Thanks Bradd. I know from experience sometimes it takes a while. I am just getting antsy! I even waxed it since those pictures so it looks better in person.
pretty sure once someone shows up they will snap it up. Just have to get them here. The wife is parking in the lot at her office tomorrow with a sign in it. maybe that will help.
I am making a run up to Rockland Friday for a couple of days to check on pops. Will probably take the Volvo, though could also take the TL and park it up there.
very frustrating. If no action this week, guess the price goes down again.
I can't believe you cut the price on the Volvo a thousand and still no action. Do you live among cheapskates?
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apparently all the rich folk are up by Albany with you. I am kind of surprised that at this price, I haven't at least gotten a few feelers. But, you never know.
for those following my saga, I know only have 1 car of my own (2 in family counting my wife's). The TL has moved on to a new home.
as I suspected, when someone finally came to look, they would realize it was better than the usual crap in the price range, and pull out a bunch of Benjamins and take it home with them. And that is what happened.
relieved to have trimmed the fleet. Now, if someone does show up and wants the Volvo, I could be down to none. And we all know what that means.
Congratulations stick. One thing to remember when selling anything is it just takes the right person to come along. I think you had it right though when you said anything similar at a comparable price isn't going to be nearly as good. They were nice clean cars for the person who needed a good clean car, in the low price range.
The cooloff period may be a Canadian thing. I don't believe Florida has such a thing.
I think it got so ridiculous with door to door salesmen selling stuff to older people etc that the government stepped in with a cooling off rule, and it is for 10 days. Personally, I think this rule has been a good one....stops the scammers who will say anything to get a contract signed.
Regarding cars in Ontario Canada, once you sign the car is yours, except in these extreme cases:
In Ontario, there is no "cooling-off" period after you have signed a contract; however, there are certain conditions that can trigger a consumer's right to cancel a contract with a dealer.
General Regulation 50 of the MVDA allows a customer to cancel a contract within 90 days if the dealer and contract fails to disclose (or fails to disclose in a timely way):
The previous use of the vehicle as a taxi or limo. The previous use of the vehicle as a police or emergency service vehicle. The previous use of the vehicle as a daily rental (unless the vehicle has subsequently been owned by someone other than a dealer). The make, model, and model year of the vehicle. That a vehicle has been branded (irreparable, salvage or rebuilt), and how last classified. The actual distance the vehicle has travelled. When that cannot be determined, a dealer must make the appropriate disclosure statement.
So, unless the dealer broke any of these rules, once you sign and receive payment a car has been sold and the contract is binding.
First the Plasma crapped out on Sunday, after 8 1/2 years of flawless performance, so we took it to the dump and got a new Vizio 60 inch LED. (should have kept the Toshiba speakers as they were good). Now I need surround sound to make up for the poor Vizio speakers. Then today we had a new dish and receiver with HD installed which we like a lot. Then I called on a tractor I've been bidding on for a while on ebay which expired (reserve not met). We agreed on a price including delivery from NC. When he got here I said I need more room in the garage since the tractor has a blade on front so he agreed to take my Polaris quad in trade along with $5.450 cash. Now the roll bar hits the garage door so I have to get a portable welding guy to shorten the bar about 3 inches. It's in the garage, but I'm afraid to back it out as going in just pushed the door up and backing out will tear the door out of the tracks. Oh well...you'll have that.
< If you buy in your home there is a cooling off period of 10 days I believe.
I don't think so unless the salesperson was going door to door like a Kirby salesperson and initially sold you the car that way. There was some concern years ago about tent sales and buyers backing out because they didn't buy the car at the dealers. Then it was determined (by a court I suppose) that the tent or parking lot sale was simply an extension of the dealer. Plenty of dealers made potential buyers do the deal at the store though, and probably still do.
And in the US, for the few things that do trigger a cooling off period, that period is three days.
Source? Just skimming posts here for a decade plus. Lots of AG sites talk about this though, like Georgia's.
There's probably some exceptions - NJ gives you a day to review lease contracts and California has something about used cars I think.
We went to a tent car sale in Florida just before buying the Passat. The cars were terrible, right straight from the auction, not even cleaned up. The salespeople were not, too put it kindly, not professional. We told them we wanted a standard car and they tried to push anything they could at us. I doubt if you would ever get satisfaction if you had a problem. The prices weren't very good too...in fact high. The company doing the sales specialized in this form of selling, though they said they did hown a Kia dealership. We openned the door on one car and it smelled like an ashtray...and that was it for us.
First the Plasma crapped out on Sunday, after 8 1/2 years of flawless performance, so we took it to the dump and got a new Vizio 60 inch LED. (should have kept the Toshiba speakers as they were good). Now I need surround sound to make up for the poor Vizio speakers. Then today we had a new dish and receiver with HD installed which we like a lot. Then I called on a tractor I've been bidding on for a while on ebay which expired (reserve not met). We agreed on a price including delivery from NC. When he got here I said I need more room in the garage since the tractor has a blade on front so he agreed to take my Polaris quad in trade along with $5.450 cash. Now the roll bar hits the garage door so I have to get a portable welding guy to shorten the bar about 3 inches. It's in the garage, but I'm afraid to back it out as going in just pushed the door up and backing out will tear the door out of the tracks. Oh well...you'll have that.
Nice Lapis Blue, matches NYC's Suburu!
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Mako, since when did you learn how to post pictures....well done?
Driver, from what I understand, you have a contract with a dealer to buy a 2015 Mercedes E400 Sedan with certain options and a specific cash value trade allowance for your 2012 BMW 535ix. What I would suggest is that you have your dealership update the contract to include the VIN number (which we know they have by now) and an approximate delivery date. That way, you have a contract for a specic car which makes it a more precise contract.
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Wow. I recommend that some catch up on the growth of the ice caps the last couple of years. As well, they might want to catch up on the misleading interpretation of data that the global warming group was caught in several years ago when emails were exposed.
Otherwise, I would also suggest avoiding this political topic because others have differing, varied opinions on this highly scientific topic that has been hijacked as a political financial issue by the carbon TAX folks.
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Will we get an outpouring of outrage over this design flaw? -- as we did for
the GM design flaw in their car's ignition switch?
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I take a different approach - is it "possible" that, since the industrial revolution in the 1880's-1890's, the Earth has been warming at its surface due to increased levels of certain gases as well as pollution? I don't know whether it has or hasn't, but I cannot say for sure that there is no justification for climate change due to global warming.
What I am trying to say is that I am on the fence, so to speak, much like an agnostic is on the fence in regard to the existence o God. My take is that global warming may or may not be occurring - I am not convinced one way or the other.
I may never be of the opinion that global warming is fact or fiction.
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Everyone else (you too @snakeweasel), been there, done that - we aren't going to change anyone's minds about global warming in here so let's just skip ahead to the next topic please. Like, is anyone shopping for cars at month/quarter end?
And with all the end of the month buying frenzy, when will the automakers start changing their month end for bonus purposes? Seems like a brand could make some hay by encouraging killer deals mid-month (but then they'd get killed at month end I suppose).
Not trying to change anyone's mind, just making an off colored remark.
Anyway since my comment appatently disappeared I would ask again. How does being parked on a collage campus say anything about any car?
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"Making Love in a Subaru
That's what I wanna do with you
We can always feel around the steering wheel
There seems to be so much that we can do..."
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Not trying to change anyone's mind, just making an off colored remark.
Anyway since my comment appatently disappeared I would ask again. How does being parked on a collage campus say anything about any car?
Hey, what happened to Kirstie??2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
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Even if they aren't.
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How about posting your ads so that we may mercilessly critique your form?
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@oldfarmer50 said:
"I was thinking the same thing myself. Dealers aren't stupid. If the public THINKS the best deals are at the end of the month I'm sure dealers will be ready with a pitch to make them think the deals are better then."
Actually, deals "can" be better at the end of the month. It really depends on whether or not the dealership has achieved its volume goal got the month. In most cases, goals are only achieved through aggressively selling cars at rock-bottom prices At the end of each month.
The two dealerships I worked for would take any reasonable deal at the end of the month even at 0 profit or even at a slight loss in order to reach sales goals. I remember one deal I made when I was a manager where we had a net loss on the car - behind invoice and behind hold-back. But that's what was needed to sell that last car of the month. Sometimes the saying. "...whatever it takes..." Is actually true.
I would recommend to anyone looking to lease or buy a car to do it on the last day of the month - it's the best time to buy a car. You may have to settle for a second or third choice in color or equipment, but the deal would be worth it!
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Volvo, I think 1 or 2 initial inquiries that never responded when I got back to them.
I thought the TL would get a lot more action, but you never can tell.
http://southjersey.craigslist.org/cto/4664371494.html
http://southjersey.craigslist.org/cto/4687243679.html
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@snakeweasel said:
"I would think that the odds are better that at the end of the month the dealership has either made their sales quota or is so far behind that they won't make their quota."
In the dealerships I worked at, both of which were number 1 in national sales volume for Lexus and Infiniti, respectively, each would take almost any deal, within reason including slight losses, on the last day or two of any month, whether they had met their sales quotas or not.
It is quite possible other dealerships operate differently, but if you go to a high volume dealership, chances are you will get your best deal at the end of the month.
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@driver100;
My new car is at the port in Georgia (Brunswick). I was told that the cars are prepared at that port and then go directly to the dealerships from there - they no longer go through Jacksonville. They expect my car to be at the dealership by next week sometime.
Now I am beginning to get s little excited about the prospect of taking delivery on my birthday (October 10th) which would be perfect!
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TL looks great for its age & mileage! Give it time.
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pretty sure once someone shows up they will snap it up. Just have to get them here. The wife is parking in the lot at her office tomorrow with a sign in it. maybe that will help.
I am making a run up to Rockland Friday for a couple of days to check on pops. Will probably take the Volvo, though could also take the TL and park it up there.
very frustrating. If no action this week, guess the price goes down again.
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He is supposed to shoot me a note tomorrow when the new lease programs come out in case he can make me a "killer deal". And nice of him, he said to let him know and he could connect me to some wholesalers if I just wanted to sell it to be done with it.
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LOL
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Mike, here is my question. When does the sale actually get counted. Since it sounds like you have to take a car from stock, it sounds like you have to buy and take delivery by the end of the month.
When we bought the Passat the dealer asked if I could forward the purchase date to the next month? It didn't matter to me so I said sure. He probably had his quota for the current month, but wanted to get started on building the next month. Maybe dealers mess around with that too. If they make one months quota, maybe stall deliveries so they go into the next month....what do you think?
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Have you tried the newspaper or Auto Trader?
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Additional information:
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The 918 Spyder, a hybrid supercar valued at $825,000, caught fire yesterday at a gas station near Toronto, Canada.
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The car is believed to belong to Michael Wekerle, a man described as “Mick Jagger meets Warren Buffett” and the CEO of investment firm Difference Capital. Wek, as he’s known, is also a star of the hit CBC show “Dragon’s Den” (the original show "Shark Tank").
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The buyer got a great deal, IMHO. I really expected it to get bid up some, but it didn't. Oh well. After fees and whatnot, I wound up getting about $300 less than I paid for it a few years back.
stick - Acura looks nicer than I pictured in my head, but still a buttload of miles. $2500 and take $2200 or even $2k if you get hard up. Granted, dealers would have the TL listed at $4k-$4500, but you are dealing with a Craigs audience. Have you considered Ebay on that one?
Volvo ... I dunno. I mean, that's a $5500 auction car, so not a lot of room there. what did the dealer offer you? $5k?
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Q, dealer without seeing it said about 5K, possibly adjusted for condition. Plus the 1K loyalty bonus. So yeah, at this point, not much of a spread to asking. I can keep that one if I have to get that low on price. Not like it will depreciate much more in another year/2-3K miles. And I need something to drive for the next few years.
I also have no desire to try out Ebay at this point.
I may drop the Acura to $2,500 next time I update. Not desperate to sell, but I do want to clear the space! Local Acura dealer actually has the identical car (year/color) listed for 4K but it has 199,000 miles on it. Odd to see that at a new car dealer.
Looking at the ads once you get into the low/mid 2's, there is a lot of needy/ugly/scary crap out there. Yes, this has miles, but cleaner by far than most of the other cheap cars. I still think once someone comes they will snap it up. Just need to get them out.
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The Volvo, not so much. I expect Volvos are going to be a bit of a hard sell.
If I don't sell the Volvo I will take it as a sign that I should keep it for a couple of years as my spare car. My wife kind of likes it, and won't mind if I steal her car if I need to travel. Plus, it is probably in that gray area, where it depreciated enough (crossing the magic 100K mark) that a couple more years of low miles probably won't change the value all that much. certainly less than a new car will depreciate!
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@driver100 said:
"Mike, here is my question. When does the sale actually get counted. Since it sounds like you have to take a car from stock, it sounds like you have to buy and take delivery by the end of the month."
Yes, you must take delivery on or before the last sales day for that month. On the case you mentioned when the dealer asked if you could take delivery the first of the following month, the answer is yes and no! In the dealerships where I worked, "immediate delivery" was the way they worked whether they hit quotas or not. Delaying delivery of a new car by a day or two is risky - the buyer could go to another dealer and beat our price. Remember, until and unless that car leaves the dealership property with the buyer driving the car, possession has not occurred. Without that possession taking place, the deal can be cancelled by either the seller or the buyer.
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Can I cancel between now and delivery day? I thought the contract was the factor.
In the case of the Passat, the deal was all normal, they just wanted to move the final contract up to November, even though the car came in in October. They offered to give me something to do it, but it didn't matter to me so I just did it.
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@driver100 said:
"You mean the dealer can change his mind and not sell me the new Mercedes even though I put $3000 down. A contract is a contract if money changes hands right.....shouldn't be dependent on me driving away."
I don't know if the same is true in Canada, driver. Down here in the U.S., there are State statutes that govern large dollar purchases mainly to protect the consumer, not the seller.
Let's assume that you sign a lease and the dealer wants you to take possession of the leased vehicle immediately. You, on the other hand, cannot take delivery because you are leaving town in 1 hour and won't be back for delivery of the car for 1 week.
One week later, you return home to Tampa, FL. And you have a heart attack and you are rushed to the hospital. Delivery of the vehicle is again delayed.
Three weeks later, you return to the dealership to take delivery. The dealership tells you they sold the car you leased. They claim that the contract became null and void due to the fact that you did not take delivery of you car in a reasonable amount of time.
On contract law, there are 3 required rules for a contract to be legal:
OFFER - the dealer offers a car to you for a specific price.
CONSIDERATION - the price is $500 per month with $2500 due at signing. You agree and give the required down payment etc.
ACCEPTANCE - even though you sign the contract a provide the monies (consideration), there must be provable acceptance - taking possession of the car.
If just one of the above requirements is not fulfilled, the contract is unenforceable and becomes null and void.
But, the dealer can offer you another car as a replacement for the same or similar terms, but the process must begin anew with new paperwork, signatures, etc. the dealer is required to return your deposit so long as it can be proved that you could not accept delivery for the above reasons.
It gets complicated as you can see. But you can refuse delivery (acceptance is not forthcoming) and thus the contract becomes void or unenforceable because ACCEPTANCE did not occur.
In your case, you have a signed contract to purchase a car at an agreed-upon price. It also includes a trade. I am sure your contract states that the trade is subject to reappraisal at time of delivery.
There are some attorneys here who might be able to explain thing better than I did.
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I would think there would have to be a serious reason for breaking a contract.
So, if your quota for October was filled, and someone was buying a car on the evening of October 31st, you wouldn't change the contract to say it was signed Nov 1st to get you started on November's quota.
When I was in book sales I would just try to reach my quota for the year to get my bonus. I didn't want to exceed it too much...I wouldn't get much extra and the following year they would raise my quota 10%, so the more I went over the more I would have to go over the following year.
No wonder I was such a bad employee and got canned 3X in a row.
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as I suspected, when someone finally came to look, they would realize it was better than the usual crap in the price range, and pull out a bunch of Benjamins and take it home with them. And that is what happened.
relieved to have trimmed the fleet. Now, if someone does show up and wants the Volvo, I could be down to none. And we all know what that means.
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We all knew you would get it done. Great work. One down, one to go! Good luck stick.
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I don't think so unless the salesperson was going door to door like a Kirby salesperson and initially sold you the car that way. There was some concern years ago about tent sales and buyers backing out because they didn't buy the car at the dealers. Then it was determined (by a court I suppose) that the tent or parking lot sale was simply an extension of the dealer. Plenty of dealers made potential buyers do the deal at the store though, and probably still do.
And in the US, for the few things that do trigger a cooling off period, that period is three days.
Source? Just skimming posts here for a decade plus. Lots of AG sites talk about this though, like Georgia's.
There's probably some exceptions - NJ gives you a day to review lease contracts and California has something about used cars I think.
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Regarding cars in Ontario Canada, once you sign the car is yours, except in these extreme cases:
In Ontario, there is no "cooling-off" period after you have signed a contract; however, there are certain conditions that can trigger a consumer's right to cancel a contract with a dealer.
General Regulation 50 of the MVDA allows a customer to cancel a contract within 90 days if the dealer and contract fails to disclose (or fails to disclose in a timely way):
The previous use of the vehicle as a taxi or limo.
The previous use of the vehicle as a police or emergency service vehicle.
The previous use of the vehicle as a daily rental (unless the vehicle has subsequently been owned by someone other than a dealer).
The make, model, and model year of the vehicle.
That a vehicle has been branded (irreparable, salvage or rebuilt), and how last classified.
The actual distance the vehicle has travelled. When that cannot be determined, a dealer must make the appropriate disclosure statement.
So, unless the dealer broke any of these rules, once you sign and receive payment a car has been sold and the contract is binding.
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First the Plasma crapped out on Sunday, after 8 1/2 years of flawless performance, so we took it to the dump and got a new Vizio 60 inch LED. (should have kept the Toshiba speakers as they were good). Now I need surround sound to make up for the poor Vizio speakers. Then today we had a new dish and receiver with HD installed which we like a lot.
Then I called on a tractor I've been bidding on for a while on ebay which expired (reserve not met). We agreed on a price including delivery from NC. When he got here I said I need more room in the garage since the tractor has a blade on front so he agreed to take my Polaris quad in trade along with $5.450 cash. Now the roll bar hits the garage door so I have to get a portable welding guy to shorten the bar about 3 inches. It's in the garage, but I'm afraid to back it out as going in just pushed the door up and backing out will tear the door out of the tracks. Oh well...you'll have that.
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Cute little tractor!
Mako, since when did you learn how to post pictures....well done?
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@driver100:
Driver, from what I understand, you have a contract with a dealer to buy a 2015 Mercedes E400 Sedan with certain options and a specific cash value trade allowance for your 2012 BMW 535ix. What I would suggest is that you have your dealership update the contract to include the VIN number (which we know they have by now) and an approximate delivery date. That way, you have a contract for a specic car which makes it a more precise contract.
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