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roadburner

nyccarguy said:

Best of luck to you @iluvmysephia1

Ditto!

roadburner

isellhondas said:

I posted that BMW ad just for entertainment value and for the expected comments I received and I thank all of you for that. I think at this point four BMW's will be enough. They are magnificent cars that love to punish their owners and as the miles get up there the floggings only continue.

Still, I thought it was a beautiful car and I do appreciate your comments!

Breaks
More
Wallets

Tell me about it; I'm filing my fourth Chapter 7...

andres3

driver100 said:

stickguy said:

On that caddie, sounds like the old guy doesn't drive much. So get a drip pan for the garage floor, a case of oil, and let it drip.

He is a refined gentleman who was a lawyer (guess that might be an oxymoron) who just wants to keep his car for sentimental reasons I am sure. I don't think he is a drip pan kind of guy

Then he probably shouldn't have bought a Caddy!

Okay, so any brand car could leak oil at that age and mileage.

Mr_Shiftright

stickguy said:

On that caddie, sounds like the old guy doesn't drive much. So get a drip pan for the garage floor, a case of oil, and let it drip.

That's not a bad idea. The car is worth very little. He already spent more on it than it was worth.

roadburner

andres3 said:

My brother in law chose to buy a new '17 Mazda 3 Sedan Automatic transmission Grand Touring.

It was at a Mazda/VW dual-dealership.

It seems the salesman used a couple sales "tricks" on him. He test drove the snail hatchback with the 2.0 Mazda motor, and then a 2.5 Mazda 3 sedan, so he liked that the sedan had some guts, and thought the hatchback lacked them (but it is available with the better 2.5 engine too).

I noticed another trick used on my wife at a different dual dealership (VW/Subaru in that case) was used on him. These dual dealerships use a tactic to badmouth one of their brands models when your comparing 2 vehicles where they carry and sell both. Most likely they'll praise the car paying the higher commissions with heaps of lauding, while being negative to the cross-shopped brand that they also sell. I think the idea is it builds credibility if their willing to be negative about something they sell (but it is a shallow thing).

On my wife they bad-mouthed the Alltrack while heaping praise on the Outback.

On him they bad-mouthed the GTI as overpriced and not worth the $30K sticker for the sport model. I told him if I was there I'd have retorted "that's why your selling it to me for $25K today" They also mentioned bad resale value (again, same line). However, I'd have been dealing with an Internet/Fleet manager if I'd have gone with him so we would have never heard a line involving "sticker" in the first place. Amateur car buyers get taken advantage of!

NOTHING turns me off quicker than a salesperson badmouthing a competitor; back in the early '90s I was prepared to buy a fairly expensive CD player from an audio store in Cincinnati. I asked the sales guy how it compared to another player I was considering(which that shop didn't sell) and he told me it was "a piece of s**t." I walked.
When I'm showing a new car and the client asks how our car compares to an Audi/Cadillac/Lexus/Mercedes/etc., I always say something like, "There are really no bad cars in this market segment; each car has its own particular strengths. BMWs are extremely good at combining comfort with a more sporting driving experience as well as delivering exceptional fuel economy and performance."

Michaell

roadburner said:

andres3 said:

My brother in law chose to buy a new '17 Mazda 3 Sedan Automatic transmission Grand Touring.

It was at a Mazda/VW dual-dealership.

It seems the salesman used a couple sales "tricks" on him. He test drove the snail hatchback with the 2.0 Mazda motor, and then a 2.5 Mazda 3 sedan, so he liked that the sedan had some guts, and thought the hatchback lacked them (but it is available with the better 2.5 engine too).

I noticed another trick used on my wife at a different dual dealership (VW/Subaru in that case) was used on him. These dual dealerships use a tactic to badmouth one of their brands models when your comparing 2 vehicles where they carry and sell both. Most likely they'll praise the car paying the higher commissions with heaps of lauding, while being negative to the cross-shopped brand that they also sell. I think the idea is it builds credibility if their willing to be negative about something they sell (but it is a shallow thing).

On my wife they bad-mouthed the Alltrack while heaping praise on the Outback.

On him they bad-mouthed the GTI as overpriced and not worth the $30K sticker for the sport model. I told him if I was there I'd have retorted "that's why your selling it to me for $25K today" They also mentioned bad resale value (again, same line). However, I'd have been dealing with an Internet/Fleet manager if I'd have gone with him so we would have never heard a line involving "sticker" in the first place. Amateur car buyers get taken advantage of!

NOTHING turns me off quicker than a salesperson badmouthing a competitor; back in the early '90s I was prepared to buy a fairly expensive CD player from an audio store in Cincinnati. I asked the sales guy how it compared to another player I was considering(which that shop didn't sell) and he told me it was "a piece of s**t." I walked.
When I'm showing a new car and the client asks how our car compares to an Audi/Cadillac/Lexus/Mercedes/etc., I always say something like, "There are really no bad cars in this market segment; each car has its own particular strengths. BMWs are extremely good at combining comfort with a more sporting driving experience as well as delivering exceptional fuel economy and performance."

Could not agree with you more. Making your product look better by putting a competitor's product down is wrong, regardless of what you are selling. Always promote the differences and strengths of your product.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

qbrozen said:

oldfarmer50 said:

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qbrozen said:

What is "the old Lincoln"? Need more details, miles, etc.

It's listed at the bottom of my post, 95' Mark VIII. TMU because the odometer stopped working last October (one of the bits and pieces) at 97k miles. Based on my consistant use I estimate about 103k miles. Most everything works, even the AC. Almost no rust because it was a Florida car. Couple of minor dings.

Last time I checked both Hagerty and KBB said $1600-1800 in fair condition.

TMU kills it, IMHO. I don't know how much proof you can provide up until the odometer quit that it is at least near 100k, but I'm feeling like it is a $1200 car at best given that TMU issue.

Service records showing a consistant 9-10k miles per year since 2013.

Oldfarmer, your Lincoln reminds me of a guy I was talking to last week. He has a 2003 Cadillac which he loves....95000 miles on it. He had a lot of work done on it to make it all as perfect as can be....spent $4000, brakes, exhaust, engine all checked. All was good for 2 weeks and then it leaked oil. Diagnosis, a gasket needs to be replaced and in order to do that they have to take the engine out to get at it. Not sure how much that costs.
That is the nice looking used car dilemma. When do you repair and when do you dump it?

What would you do?

Well, I wouldn't touch a pre 2005 Northstar Caddy in the first place. How Cadillac could screw up such a promising engine so bad is beyond me.

While head gasket popping was the big problem with those engines I understand they also had an engine seal that frequently would leak and required massive rebuilding, including removing the engine to get at it. Most owners with the oil leaks just added oil and drove. The head gasket usually resulted in a trip to the junk yard.

In that situation I wouldn't spend the money.

oldfarmer50

iluvmysephia1 said:

Mike - good news chap. Keep taking your medicine, I think it's working!

After 5 weeks of searching for a job I may have a fit and a keeper. It's in a tiny (under 1,000 people) town in Western Kansas on I-70. I had a phone interview with the RT Boss and the HR Director today. Even tasks I felt might be uncomfortable for me as a RT, they said the Boss would re-up my skills until they could sign me off to do that skill on my own. It's what I trained in college to do - Respiratory Therapy. It's small - the hospital is 22 beds with a 37-bed LT Care Center. 

So tomorrow morning I call and try to arrange a meeting there at the site this week. That's Mrs. iluv's idea and it's brilliant. I could see if I would work well with the Boss Man. If it looks good at end of meeting say yes to stay in the running for it. The HR Assistant then arranges a shot card look, pee test, Hep B flyer, you guys know the drill. 

This job was not advertised - I don't know - perhaps The Man upstairs is assisting with this. Since it's not a Sleep Lab job the Mrs. initially said say no to it, but, she's starting ta see it like I am...a potential gold nugget in the vast Western plains of Kansas!

Things don't always come easy for me, but, as I always remind Mrs. iluvmysephia1..."Hey, when did you last miss a meal...can you recall?"

Hee-hee...I haven't missed a one! I'll keep you guys abreast of the latest. I truly was touched by the support in here when discussing my situation earlier...and I sincerely appreciate it. I'm just trying to reach a point I can retire...well, that may or may not happen this side of Armageddon​...but a guy can dream, can't he?

That's cool, my brother is a RT and he's never had a problem getting work. His problem is that they would work him to death if they could.

andres3

Well, if someone told me they were in the market for a used Dodge Neon I'd tell them it was a piece of s**t.

If it's true it is not bad-mouthing or slander. Did you @roadburner end up getting the CD player he was negative about? Did it end up being a POS like @graphicguy Caddies.

roadburner

I ended up with a different player. I bought it from a guy who sold high-end audio gear from his home is a fairly prestigious gated community. Nice guy, I still don't know how he got away with doing that...

iluvmysephia1

Thanks for the support, roadburner!

oldfather50 - it is a good job...this one I'm looking in to now sounds like a real diamond in the rough. I'm studying to get that RPSGT passed​ and that would open up more desirable locations to work in the Respiratory specialty of sleep technology. I am such an internet hound - as long as I can take my HP desktop, Motorola Moto g 4, Kia Soul, Bible books and Mrs. iluv's bounteous library of books, I can live pretty much anywhere. Kansas and Missouri are affordable and I gotta say this: the people here in the Midwest are a friendly group. We have pared down to just needing a car dolly for the Soul and a 15' U-Haul truck. Oh, not to forget...we are somewhat high maintenance because of our Akita Chow, Pomeranian and two cats, yep. Need a fenced yard. If I take this job, we may need to move to a larger town within an hour's drive of the job, like Hays or Colby.

Hey, Michaell. You're right - the job location is halfway between KC and Denver. We'd be a tick closer to DEN than KC.

ab348

IIRC the Northstar had a split crankcase and the gasket often fails. I would just add oil and keep a drip tray under the engine until the head gasket blows, which is the more serious issue with these anyway.

driver100

roadburner said:

andres3 said:

My brother in law chose to buy a new '17 Mazda 3 Sedan Automatic transmission Grand Touring.

It was at a Mazda/VW dual-dealership.

It seems the salesman used a couple sales "tricks" on him. He test drove the snail hatchback with the 2.0 Mazda motor, and then a 2.5 Mazda 3 sedan, so he liked that the sedan had some guts, and thought the hatchback lacked them (but it is available with the better 2.5 engine too).

I noticed another trick used on my wife at a different dual dealership (VW/Subaru in that case) was used on him. These dual dealerships use a tactic to badmouth one of their brands models when your comparing 2 vehicles where they carry and sell both. Most likely they'll praise the car paying the higher commissions with heaps of lauding, while being negative to the cross-shopped brand that they also sell. I think the idea is it builds credibility if their willing to be negative about something they sell (but it is a shallow thing).

On my wife they bad-mouthed the Alltrack while heaping praise on the Outback.

On him they bad-mouthed the GTI as overpriced and not worth the $30K sticker for the sport model. I told him if I was there I'd have retorted "that's why your selling it to me for $25K today" They also mentioned bad resale value (again, same line). However, I'd have been dealing with an Internet/Fleet manager if I'd have gone with him so we would have never heard a line involving "sticker" in the first place. Amateur car buyers get taken advantage of!

NOTHING turns me off quicker than a salesperson badmouthing a competitor;
When I'm showing a new car and the client asks how our car compares to an Audi/Cadillac/Lexus/Mercedes/etc., I always say something like, "There are really no bad cars in this market segment; each car has its own particular strengths. BMWs are extremely good at combining comfort with a more sporting driving experience as well as delivering exceptional fuel economy and performance."

Since 1999 we have owned a few BMWs, a few Mercedes, and an Audi and I don't recall any salesman badmouthing the competition. In this segment, you never know who you are talking to......the persons spouse may own that car and be happy with it. If I was buying an Audi and the salesman badmouthed Mercedes I would question his honesty, as my Mercedes have all been great cars. Besides, these are all fine cars.....but, each has it's strength.

I looked at an A6 when I was buying my 2015 E400 and I just wasn't impressed enough. I ended up getting the E400 and I called the Audi salesman I ended up buying an old man's car. He laughed, and said nothing wrong with a Mercedes, and in no way is it an old man's car. I would go to him if I was looking for an Audi one day....I wouldn't if he had made a negative comment.

driver100

ab348 said:

IIRC the Northstar had a split crankcase and the gasket often fails. I would just add oil and keep a drip tray under the engine until the head gasket blows, which is the more serious issue with these anyway.

oldfarmer and ab.....appreciate your comments regarding the 2003 Cadillac. If I see that guy I will tell him about the drip tray, he would probably be able to do that. I think he thought it was a very serious matter and the car had to be repaired or it wouldn't run. I don't think money is a real problem.

IIRC he said he was going to Australia in October, so just needed the car until then, so that would work perfectly.

isellhondas

Oh, what the heck! If a person wants a wallet draining BMW why not reach for the sky?


https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/6139416803.html

What could possibly go wrong?

driver100

Only 60k miles. Looks like new. Beautiful. You would think you should get at least 5 or 6 years of pretty good driving.....for $6000!

isellhondas

I've seen repair receipts on V-12 BMW's and staggering doesn't begin to describe!

They didn't have high miles either.

abacomike

Just got an invitation to see Wayne Newton next Friday evening.  Now, I need to find a date for dinner and the show.  

I don't know if any of you remember the Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers flicks from your childhood years (filmed in the 1940's but frequently shown on 1950's TV) starring Buster Crabbe, but there was one flick that had a the "Clay People".  Wayne Newton's face reminds me of the "Clay People" because he's had so many facelifts in the past decade or two that his face is pulled so tight it looks like he can hardly talk.

But I am looking forward to him singing his songs like "Dankashein", etc.  Hey, free night club show and a free dinner can't be that bad!  

driver100

Save me a place......I'll be right on down. I like Wayne's music!

ab348

isellhondas said:

Oh, what the heck! If a person wants a wallet draining BMW why not reach for the sky?


https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/6139416803.html

What could possibly go wrong?

"No matter how hard I work
No matter how much I toil
I will never be able to afford
A BMW 750iL"

ab348

Hey @driver100 (and other M-B owners): hear about this?

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2017/05/class-action-lawsuit-targets-nasty-mercedes-benz-air-conditioning-systems/

Have you ever experienced a malodorous HVAC system in your cars?

cdnpinhead

abacomike said:

Just got an invitation to see Wayne Newton next Friday evening.  Now, I need to find a date for dinner and the show.  

I hope you enjoy it.

I had the opportunity to endure a Wayne Newton show in Vegas at the Stardust ~15 years ago with a large family group -- he looked embalmed and the singing was nothing to shout about either.

YMMV

fintail

Never heard of that MB HVAC issue before. I have so side with the TTAC comments - possible/probable user error, especially in a climate like GA.

That E32 750iL, don't see them much like that anymore, as many were kaput by the turn of the century. It might have low miles for reasons other than preservation. Sure you'll be able to get a good 5 or 6 years of driving in it, but it might take you 50 years to accomplish it

abacomike

cdnpinhead said:

Just got an invitation to see Wayne Newton next Friday evening.  Now, I need to find a date for dinner and the show.  

I hope you enjoy it.

I had the opportunity to endure a Wayne Newton show in Vegas at the Stardust ~15 years ago with a large family group -- he looked embalmed and the singing was nothing to shout about either.

YMMV

When I lived in Palm Desert, CA, I used to drive up to Vegas 8-10 times a year (4 hour drive) and I always stayed at the Stardust - got comped there for my food, a suite, all I could drink - just signed for it.  But, even though Wayne Newton played every night at the Stardust, I never saw one of his shows even though I was comped.

Instead, they got me free tickets to Caesars, MGM Grand, Luxor, etc., with a limo - saw some great shows back then - Elton John & Billy Joel, Frankie Vallie and the Four Seasons, Starlight Express, David Copperfield, to name a few.  Those were the good old days of Vegas.

carnaught

@abacomike, as for a date, how 'bout your friend from the frozen yogurt store?

driver100

ab348 said:

Hey @driver100 (and other M-B owners): hear about this?

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2017/05/class-action-lawsuit-targets-nasty-mercedes-benz-air-conditioning-systems/

Have you ever experienced a malodorous HVAC system in your cars?

I can honestly say, I have never experienced a melodious odor emanating from any of the 5 Mercedes we have owned, nor in fact from any car I have owned.

My infamous SIL complained the 2004 BMW X3 I sold to him thru the dealer was leaking water that made a huge puddle on the floor on the passenger side after a heavy rainfall. I told him to take it to the dealer. They found it was caused by chipmunks eating insulation in the firewall. Both these lawsuits are happening in warmer climates....maybe it is an opossum hiding in the air vent.

abacomike

carnaught said:

@abacomike, as for a date, how 'bout your friend from the frozen yogurt store?

Now you're talkin'! 

cdnpinhead

It's another Forrest Gump moment. I've had several worthy episodes in my 68 years, but can't hold a candle to some here.

sda

Mr_Shiftright said:

stickguy said:

On that caddie, sounds like the old guy doesn't drive much. So get a drip pan for the garage floor, a case of oil, and let it drip.

That's not a bad idea. The car is worth very little. He already spent more on it than it was worth.

That is exactly what dad did with their 98 Aurora. It had the typical Northstar oil leak which would require the engine to be removed and resealed. It wasn't a leak that was caused by oil pressure, just gravity. Mom always parked in the garage and over the drip pan. No issues and they drove it for another 5 years..until the infamous head gasket issue got it.

roadburner

isellhondas said:

Oh, what the heck! If a person wants a wallet draining BMW why not reach for the sky?


https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/6139416803.html

What could possibly go wrong?

I'd take an E32 with a V12 over a V8 all day long. The motors are stout and if you are a DIY guy and know where to get the electronic ancillaries repaired (rather than replaced) they aren't bad to run.

explorerx4

One of my BIL's has a 2003(?) DTS.
We went on a trip for the weekend and he parked the car in my driveway.
After he left, there were big oil stains in the driveway.
I immediately thought of the Northstar leak and decided to call him to let him know.
Turns out he had just had the oil changed and it was overfilled by 2 quarts.
Next time he came over, no leak.

oldfarmer50

isellhondas said:

Oh, what the heck! If a person wants a wallet draining BMW why not reach for the sky?


https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/6139416803.html

What could possibly go wrong?

Now you're talking. 60k miles on a 28 year old car. Love it...as long as that dent in the fender isn't from the owner's fist upon getting the repair bill.

abacomike

driver100 said:

Hey @driver100 (and other M-B owners): hear about this?



http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2017/05/class-action-lawsuit-targets-nasty-mercedes-benz-air-conditioning-systems/



Have you ever experienced a malodorous HVAC system in your cars?

I can honestly say, I have never experienced a melodious odor emanating from any of the 5 Mercedes we have owned, nor in fact from any car I have owned.



My infamous SIL complained the 2004 BMW X3 I sold to him thru the dealer was leaking water that made a huge puddle on the floor on the passenger side after a heavy rainfall. I told him to take it to the dealer. They found it was caused by chipmunks eating insulation in the firewall. Both these lawsuits are happening in warmer climates....maybe it is an opossum hiding in the air vent.

I've owned 11 Mercedes Benz vehicles between 2008 and 2016, and I never experienced that melodious odor emanating from my HVAC in the car.  

The only "melodious" stuff that emanated from my car was when the audio system was in operation! 

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

Hey @driver100 (and other M-B owners): hear about this?

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2017/05/class-action-lawsuit-targets-nasty-mercedes-benz-air-conditioning-systems/

Have you ever experienced a malodorous HVAC system in your cars?

The systems were probably just pulling in the malodorous vapors from all the great unwashed non Mercedes owners. Compared to the owners of luxury German cars we all stink.

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

One of my BIL's has a 2003(?) DTS.
We went on a trip for the weekend and he parked the car in my driveway.
After he left, there were big oil stains in the driveway.
I immediately thought of the Northstar leak and decided to call him to let him know.
Turns out he had just had the oil changed and it was overfilled by 2 quarts.
Next time he came over, no leak.

What kind of sloppy shop would give you 2qts. EXTRA? Unless it was a DIY error. I can see a quickie lube shorting you on oil. My son's old Caddy had "8 quarts" hand painted on the valve cover next to the oil fill to inform the tech.

berri

A buddy of mine saw Wayne Newton in Vegas not too long ago. He said his show didn't have much singing; more a discussion of his experiences. Hopefully you'll get the singing show. Although my friend said it was actually kind of interesting. I'd just like to know how a guy blows something like around $60M into BK???

abacomike

berri said:

A buddy of mine saw Wayne Newton in Vegas not too long ago. He said his show didn't have much singing; more a discussion of his experiences. Hopefully you'll get the singing show. Although my friend said it was actually kind of interesting. I'd just like to know how a guy blows something like around $60M into BK???

Lots of face lifts - too many facelifts?!  

oldfarmer50

If you want to blow lots of money on old used cars here's a list to start with.

http://www.caranddriver.com/flipbook/destinys-dozen-these-12-models-will-define-the-next-generation-of-collector-cars?src=nl&mag=cdb&list=nl_dvr_news&date=052417#1

driver100

I was trying to find out how Wayne Newton lost his money...but, I ran out of time. I did find out his reviews have been terrible though...I think I will pass on the invite to the concert;

One person reviewed Newton by saying “How disappointed I was. He should not be singing anymore. He can no longer sing. People walked out. I stayed to the end of the show, which by the way, was very entertaining. When he played an instrument he was great, but he can no longer sing. He needs to stop doing this. It was painful to watch, he really needs to not sing anymore.”

Another reviewer pointed out that he didn’t know the words to his own songs, “His voice is gone….lost his train of thought, forgot words…. Very sad but I was happy to finally see this legend of Vegas! Needs to retire and enjoy…”

In 2009, the Las Vegas Sun called on him pretty much never to perform again, and it’s just getting worse and worse for Newton.

“I had been warned that Wayne Newton can’t sing anymore. Apparently it’s been common knowledge for years that his voice is shot. But nothing could have prepared me for the ghastly noises that came out of the Las Vegas icon Wednesday night. Newton can barely speak, let alone sing.”

Wayne Newton Bally Show cancelled

cdnpinhead

That was pretty much my impression, and we're talking over ten years ago.

bwia

Hasn't Wayne Newton heard of lip syncing? It has extended the career of many performers to the enjoyment of their fans who can't tell the difference. If he can't do that, then it's time to hang it up.

bwia

My local Buick-GMC dealer has just posted their phenomenal Memorial Weekend sale with discounts of 25% on 2016s and 20% on 2017s. However, there are no deals so to speak on the their GMC BSTs (Big Scary Trucks). By the way, they conveniently placed a hyperlink in their add to value your trade before you make the trek to the dealership.

Happy shopping everyone.

roadburner

oldfarmer50 said:

If you want to blow lots of money on old used cars here's a list to start with.

http://www.caranddriver.com/flipbook/destinys-dozen-these-12-models-will-define-the-next-generation-of-collector-cars?src=nl&mag=cdb&list=nl_dvr_news&date=052417#1

I still kick myself for not buying an E30 M3 when you could still get a nice one for relatively little money.

carnaught

bwia said:

My local Buick-GMC dealer has just posted their phenomenal Memorial Weekend sale with discounts of 25% on 2016s and 20% on 2017s. However, there are no deals so to speak on the their GMC BSTs (Big Scary Trucks). By the way, they conveniently placed a hyperlink in their add to value your trade before you make the trek to the dealership.

Happy shopping everyone.

Buick is really thirsty in that I have received multiple calls, emails and mailings wanting to lease or sell me a replacement vehicle when my Encore lease is up in a few months. I have actually turned down some good offers as I'm going down to two cars, plus son's.

nyccarguy

@roadburner - i remember seeing an E30 ///M3 brand new, on a dealer's lot in NJ somewhere around 1992 or 1993 before I knew anything about BMWs. Thinking to myself, why would anybody buy this thing? It is a 4cyl, old body style (the E36s were out), with a gigantic rear spoiler...

My Dad said the same thing about the Plymouth Super Birds and Dodge Daytonas. Dealers couldn't GIVE them away. Nobody wanted them. Now how much are those cars worth?

suydam

carnaught said:

bwia said:

My local Buick-GMC dealer has just posted their phenomenal Memorial Weekend sale with discounts of 25% on 2016s and 20% on 2017s. However, there are no deals so to speak on the their GMC BSTs (Big Scary Trucks). By the way, they conveniently placed a hyperlink in their add to value your trade before you make the trek to the dealership.

Happy shopping everyone.

Buick is really thirsty in that I have received multiple calls, emails and mailings wanting to lease or sell me a replacement vehicle when my Encore lease is up in a few months. I have actually turned down some good offers as I'm going down to two cars, plus son's.

Isn't the Encore Buick's best selling vehicle?

roadburner

nyccarguy said:

@roadburner - i remember seeing an E30 ///M3 brand new, on a dealer's lot in NJ somewhere around 1992 or 1993 before I knew anything about BMWs. Thinking to myself, why would anybody buy this thing? It is a 4cyl, old body style (the E36s were out), with a gigantic rear spoiler...

My Dad said the same thing about the Plymouth Super Birds and Dodge Daytonas. Dealers couldn't GIVE them away. Nobody wanted them. Now how much are those cars worth?

One of my wife's high school classmates bought two Superbirds back in the late '70s when they were just weird old cars nobody wanted. I think the two of them now might be worth more than my farm...

iluvmysephia1

Wayne Newton? Humm. I'd be yelling for the Tragically Hip's rhythm section to kick in at any time!!

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:

If you want to blow lots of money on old used cars here's a list to start with.

http://www.caranddriver.com/flipbook/destinys-dozen-these-12-models-will-define-the-next-generation-of-collector-cars?src=nl&mag=cdb&list=nl_dvr_news&date=052417#1

I still kick myself for not buying an E30 M3 when you could still get a nice one for relatively little money.

I came up behind and old M3 convertible. at a stop light yesterday. Hard for me to tell what vintage but I'd guess a very good condition early 90s. Nice looking. I said to myself that someone had spent a lot of time keeping it at least in perfect cosmetic condition.

fintail

Back in the early 70s I think you could find all the 300SL gullwings you want for 5K apiece, vintage Ferraris in the same range, in the 50s you could get a pile of Bugattis and supercharged MBs for no more than a few grand apiece. Gotta be at the right place at the right time.

That link above is maybe outdated already, a nice untouched Supra Turbo is more than 31K now, I am pretty sure.

nyccarguy said:

@roadburner - i remember seeing an E30 ///M3 brand new, on a dealer's lot in NJ somewhere around 1992 or 1993 before I knew anything about BMWs. Thinking to myself, why would anybody buy this thing? It is a 4cyl, old body style (the E36s were out), with a gigantic rear spoiler...

My Dad said the same thing about the Plymouth Super Birds and Dodge Daytonas. Dealers couldn't GIVE them away. Nobody wanted them. Now how much are those cars worth?