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suydam

oldfarmer50 said:

I think I’m being punished for posting Scotty videos. First the deer collision on Monday and just now a big tree limb fell on my roof due to the ice and snow storm. Doesn’t look too bad, only thing damaged was the kitchen vent pipe and the pipe jack mount. Vent pipe got sheared off leaving a hole down into the roof. Can’t tell about any other roof or shingle damage due to the snow and ice. The deck took the brunt of the damage.

In better weather I’d climb up and fix it myself but I ain’t the kid I used to be so I called the insurance company. I hoped they’d send someone over or at least recommend a local roofer but no such luck. Same with the adjuster. No help but I better mitigate the damage or they could deny the claim. Great!

Finally looked on line and found a place that boasted 24/7 service. Well, nah. They wouldn’t send someone up on an icy roof. They said maybe they’d call tomorrow to set something up. Gee, thanks.

So I have a plastic bag sealing the hole until I can get some too important people to give a darn.

This is a first for me as I’ve always done my own fix ups.

I feel your pain. We had a very similar situation many years ago. Fortunately we lived in a small town where there’s always “the roofing guy”, the “get the tree off your house guy”, and the Amish to cut up the wood. The good news is that insurance will pay to get the tree off your roof because you can’t assess the roof damage otherwise. If the tree falls in your yard (also happened to us) it’s on your dime entirely.

carnaught

Received a couple of different types of correspondence today from a dealership we’ve purchased from back in 2010 and where Mrs. Carnaught has her car serviced. One was a phone call from “Jake” (do not know him) asking for me - she took the call. He said he wanted our 2018 car and would give us “20% over KBB”, no questions asked and no purchase required. The Mrs., savvy as she is, told him that we were not looking to sell at this time, but knowing that my arm does not need twisting to replace any car, told him that if she were to come down there, she would not appreciate a “come-on or bait and switch”. Jake reassured her that it wasn’t but that he had a guy with a cleaning business that wanted to buy several of them in great shape that were 2-3 years old for his company - yeah right! She told him, if interested, she would contact him.

In the meantime I received an elaborate letter today from the same dealership saying that since we have been great at paying off the financing of our car (which we paid cash for), they were prepared to make a great offer on it, and had three papers describing various scenarios. One of them had a “KBB offer“ which was actually $3k lower than KBB’s low figure. Meanwhile, Jake texted Mrs. Carnaught something to the effect of, “how about it?” She texted back that unless their offer was in a certain range, there was nothing to talk about.

Surprise....zilch, nada, nothing from Jake. These dealers think that there must be a lot of suckers out there - but they figure it only takes one.

sda

I am taking the Q5 in for the 35k service tomorrow which is covered by Audi Care. It will be interesting to see what additional they may hit me up for. I do get a loaner, so looking forward to finding out what they provide and the overall service experience.

oldfarmer50

suydam said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I think I’m being punished for posting Scotty videos. First the deer collision on Monday and just now a big tree limb fell on my roof due to the ice and snow storm. Doesn’t look too bad, only thing damaged was the kitchen vent pipe and the pipe jack mount. Vent pipe got sheared off leaving a hole down into the roof. Can’t tell about any other roof or shingle damage due to the snow and ice. The deck took the brunt of the damage.

In better weather I’d climb up and fix it myself but I ain’t the kid I used to be so I called the insurance company. I hoped they’d send someone over or at least recommend a local roofer but no such luck. Same with the adjuster. No help but I better mitigate the damage or they could deny the claim. Great!

Finally looked on line and found a place that boasted 24/7 service. Well, nah. They wouldn’t send someone up on an icy roof. They said maybe they’d call tomorrow to set something up. Gee, thanks.

So I have a plastic bag sealing the hole until I can get some too important people to give a darn.

This is a first for me as I’ve always done my own fix ups.

I feel your pain. We had a very similar situation many years ago. Fortunately we lived in a small town where there’s always “the roofing guy”, the “get the tree off your house guy”, and the Amish to cut up the wood. The good news is that insurance will pay to get the tree off your roof because you can’t assess the roof damage otherwise. If the tree falls in your yard (also happened to us) it’s on your dime entirely.

The tree is laying on the deck which has a broken railing underneath. Does that count?

driver100

houdini1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I think I’m being punished for posting Scotty videos. First the deer collision on Monday and just now a big tree limb fell on my roof due to the ice and snow storm. Doesn’t look too bad, only thing damaged was the kitchen vent pipe and the pipe jack mount. Vent pipe got sheared off leaving a hole down into the roof. Can’t tell about any other roof or shingle damage due to the snow and ice. The deck took the brunt of the damage.

In better weather I’d climb up and fix it myself but I ain’t the kid I used to be so I called the insurance company. I hoped they’d send someone over or at least recommend a local roofer but no such luck. Same with the adjuster. No help but I better mitigate the damage or they could deny the claim. Great!

Finally looked on line and found a place that boasted 24/7 service. Well, nah. They wouldn’t send someone up on an icy roof. They said maybe they’d call tomorrow to set something up. Gee, thanks.

So I have a plastic bag sealing the hole until I can get some too important people to give a darn.

This is a first for me as I’ve always done my own fix ups.

Fixing your own stuff is competence. Knowing when to call the man is wisdom.

Call "The Guy", not worth falling off an icy roof.

driver100

carnaught said:

Received a couple of different types of correspondence today from a dealership we’ve purchased from back in 2010 and where Mrs. Carnaught has her car serviced. One was a phone call from “Jake” (do not know him) asking for me - she took the call. He said he wanted our 2018 car and would give us “20% over KBB”, no questions asked and no purchase required. .

Surprise....zilch, nada, nothing from Jake. These dealers think that there must be a lot of suckers out there - but they figure it only takes one.

These guys have come up with a great scheme scam. They make it sound so official...20% over KBB, who is going to verify that? Not too many people. And, they are building on dreams and greed...and making it sound so businesslike. But, it is a cookie cutter pitch, that is pretty general...talk about payments when you bought with cash.

Thanks for the warning...they are getting craftier all the time. Have to get my radar tuned up.

driver100

Call The Guy (1 minute)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztF1d9V1b0I

fintail

It had a suffix, so the name was Tailville

jmonroe said:

Thats strange, I was pretty good with Iowa history but I never heard of a place once called Tail Iowa.

jmonroe

jmonroe

carnaught said:

Received a couple of different types of correspondence today from a dealership we’ve purchased from back in 2010 and where Mrs. Carnaught has her car serviced. One was a phone call from “Jake” (do not know him) asking for me - she took the call. He said he wanted our 2018 car and would give us “20% over KBB”, no questions asked and no purchase required. The Mrs., savvy as she is, told him that we were not looking to sell at this time, but knowing that my arm does not need twisting to replace any car, told him that if she were to come down there, she would not appreciate a “come-on or bait and switch”. Jake reassured her that it wasn’t but that he had a guy with a cleaning business that wanted to buy several of them in great shape that were 2-3 years old for his company - yeah right! She told him, if interested, she would contact him.

In the meantime I received an elaborate letter today from the same dealership saying that since we have been great at paying off the financing of our car (which we paid cash for), they were prepared to make a great offer on it, and had three papers describing various scenarios. One of them had a “KBB offer“ which was actually $3k lower than KBB’s low figure. Meanwhile, Jake texted Mrs. Carnaught something to the effect of, “how about it?” She texted back that unless their offer was in a certain range, there was nothing to talk about.

Surprise....zilch, nada, nothing from Jake. These dealers think that there must be a lot of suckers out there - but they figure it only takes one.

I can't say much about the guy that sent you the letter. However, I'm pretty sure that "Jake" is the State Farm guy but you won't know for sure until you ask him what he's wearing. If he says "kachi's", I'm right.

jmonroe

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 said:

suydam said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I think I’m being punished for posting Scotty videos. First the deer collision on Monday and just now a big tree limb fell on my roof due to the ice and snow storm. Doesn’t look too bad, only thing damaged was the kitchen vent pipe and the pipe jack mount. Vent pipe got sheared off leaving a hole down into the roof. Can’t tell about any other roof or shingle damage due to the snow and ice. The deck took the brunt of the damage.

In better weather I’d climb up and fix it myself but I ain’t the kid I used to be so I called the insurance company. I hoped they’d send someone over or at least recommend a local roofer but no such luck. Same with the adjuster. No help but I better mitigate the damage or they could deny the claim. Great!

Finally looked on line and found a place that boasted 24/7 service. Well, nah. They wouldn’t send someone up on an icy roof. They said maybe they’d call tomorrow to set something up. Gee, thanks.

So I have a plastic bag sealing the hole until I can get some too important people to give a darn.

This is a first for me as I’ve always done my own fix ups.

I feel your pain. We had a very similar situation many years ago. Fortunately we lived in a small town where there’s always “the roofing guy”, the “get the tree off your house guy”, and the Amish to cut up the wood. The good news is that insurance will pay to get the tree off your roof because you can’t assess the roof damage otherwise. If the tree falls in your yard (also happened to us) it’s on your dime entirely.

The tree is laying on the deck which has a broken railing underneath. Does that count?

The deck is definitely covered because it's a structure. The only way it wouldn't be covered is if it was spelled out as such in an amendment to your policy.

jmonroe

suydam

oldfarmer50 said:

suydam said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I think I’m being punished for posting Scotty videos. First the deer collision on Monday and just now a big tree limb fell on my roof due to the ice and snow storm. Doesn’t look too bad, only thing damaged was the kitchen vent pipe and the pipe jack mount. Vent pipe got sheared off leaving a hole down into the roof. Can’t tell about any other roof or shingle damage due to the snow and ice. The deck took the brunt of the damage.

In better weather I’d climb up and fix it myself but I ain’t the kid I used to be so I called the insurance company. I hoped they’d send someone over or at least recommend a local roofer but no such luck. Same with the adjuster. No help but I better mitigate the damage or they could deny the claim. Great!

Finally looked on line and found a place that boasted 24/7 service. Well, nah. They wouldn’t send someone up on an icy roof. They said maybe they’d call tomorrow to set something up. Gee, thanks.

So I have a plastic bag sealing the hole until I can get some too important people to give a darn.

This is a first for me as I’ve always done my own fix ups.

I feel your pain. We had a very similar situation many years ago. Fortunately we lived in a small town where there’s always “the roofing guy”, the “get the tree off your house guy”, and the Amish to cut up the wood. The good news is that insurance will pay to get the tree off your roof because you can’t assess the roof damage otherwise. If the tree falls in your yard (also happened to us) it’s on your dime entirely.

The tree is laying on the deck which has a broken railing underneath. Does that count?

Yep. They can’t repair the damage to The deck without getting the tree off.

snakeweasel

carnaught said:

Received a couple of different types of correspondence today from a dealership we’ve purchased from back in 2010 and where Mrs. Carnaught has her car serviced. One was a phone call from “Jake” (do not know him) asking for me - she took the call. He said he wanted our 2018 car and would give us “20% over KBB”, no questions asked and no purchase required. The Mrs., savvy as she is, told him that we were not looking to sell at this time, but knowing that my arm does not need twisting to replace any car, told him that if she were to come down there, she would not appreciate a “come-on or bait and switch”. Jake reassured her that it wasn’t but that he had a guy with a cleaning business that wanted to buy several of them in great shape that were 2-3 years old for his company - yeah right! She told him, if interested, she would contact him.

In the meantime I received an elaborate letter today from the same dealership saying that since we have been great at paying off the financing of our car (which we paid cash for), they were prepared to make a great offer on it, and had three papers describing various scenarios. One of them had a “KBB offer“ which was actually $3k lower than KBB’s low figure. Meanwhile, Jake texted Mrs. Carnaught something to the effect of, “how about it?” She texted back that unless their offer was in a certain range, there was nothing to talk about.

Surprise....zilch, nada, nothing from Jake. These dealers think that there must be a lot of suckers out there - but they figure it only takes one.

Rule #1 if they are offering over market value run like the devil is after you.

qbrozen

There is no free lunch

oldfarmer50

carnaught said:

Received a couple of different types of correspondence today from a dealership we’ve purchased from back in 2010 and where Mrs. Carnaught has her car serviced. One was a phone call from “Jake” (do not know him) asking for me - she took the call. He said he wanted our 2018 car and would give us “20% over KBB”, no questions asked and no purchase required. The Mrs., savvy as she is, told him that we were not looking to sell at this time, but knowing that my arm does not need twisting to replace any car, told him that if she were to come down there, she would not appreciate a “come-on or bait and switch”. Jake reassured her that it wasn’t but that he had a guy with a cleaning business that wanted to buy several of them in great shape that were 2-3 years old for his company - yeah right! She told him, if interested, she would contact him.

In the meantime I received an elaborate letter today from the same dealership saying that since we have been great at paying off the financing of our car (which we paid cash for), they were prepared to make a great offer on it, and had three papers describing various scenarios. One of them had a “KBB offer“ which was actually $3k lower than KBB’s low figure. Meanwhile, Jake texted Mrs. Carnaught something to the effect of, “how about it?” She texted back that unless their offer was in a certain range, there was nothing to talk about.

Surprise....zilch, nada, nothing from Jake. These dealers think that there must be a lot of suckers out there - but they figure it only takes one.

I still get the monthly payment solicitation from my Ford dealer which when analyzed is a rotten deal.

At least I no longer get offers for my “in high demand” PT Cruiser.

houdini1

snakeweasel said:

imidazol97 said:

I've mentioned the Casey's General Stores having ethanol-free fuels.
Here's a page that I had found showing the various fuels offered at
at least some of their stores.

They have two, 87 and 91 octane, with no ethanol. You can click
on the red tabs and below it will tell about that particular fuel they sell.

"Ethanol Free Gasoline
We are happy to provide our customers with ethanol free fuel to use in their cars, motorcycles, boats, and other small engines. Our 87 ethanol free and 91 ethanol free options are safe to use in all engine types."

If I accidentally got the 15% ethanol or worse mixed in, I'd buy the
ethanol-free fuels to dilute what I put in by accident. I'd probably just
leave the engine idling to burn off the "bad" stuff if I couldn't do it
by driving.

The Casey's by us have ethanol in their gas but most dont. Casey's is mostly a rural chain but there are a few close enough to Chicago to fall under the ethanol mandate. I do use Casey's when I'm in farm country, never had an issue with it.

Mostly in rural areas....That is the way Walmart started out.

houdini1

oldfarmer50 said:

suydam said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I think I’m being punished for posting Scotty videos. First the deer collision on Monday and just now a big tree limb fell on my roof due to the ice and snow storm. Doesn’t look too bad, only thing damaged was the kitchen vent pipe and the pipe jack mount. Vent pipe got sheared off leaving a hole down into the roof. Can’t tell about any other roof or shingle damage due to the snow and ice. The deck took the brunt of the damage.

In better weather I’d climb up and fix it myself but I ain’t the kid I used to be so I called the insurance company. I hoped they’d send someone over or at least recommend a local roofer but no such luck. Same with the adjuster. No help but I better mitigate the damage or they could deny the claim. Great!

Finally looked on line and found a place that boasted 24/7 service. Well, nah. They wouldn’t send someone up on an icy roof. They said maybe they’d call tomorrow to set something up. Gee, thanks.

So I have a plastic bag sealing the hole until I can get some too important people to give a darn.

This is a first for me as I’ve always done my own fix ups.

I feel your pain. We had a very similar situation many years ago. Fortunately we lived in a small town where there’s always “the roofing guy”, the “get the tree off your house guy”, and the Amish to cut up the wood. The good news is that insurance will pay to get the tree off your roof because you can’t assess the roof damage otherwise. If the tree falls in your yard (also happened to us) it’s on your dime entirely.

The tree is laying on the deck which has a broken railing underneath. Does that count?

oldfarmer50 said:

suydam said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I think I’m being punished for posting Scotty videos. First the deer collision on Monday and just now a big tree limb fell on my roof due to the ice and snow storm. Doesn’t look too bad, only thing damaged was the kitchen vent pipe and the pipe jack mount. Vent pipe got sheared off leaving a hole down into the roof. Can’t tell about any other roof or shingle damage due to the snow and ice. The deck took the brunt of the damage.

In better weather I’d climb up and fix it myself but I ain’t the kid I used to be so I called the insurance company. I hoped they’d send someone over or at least recommend a local roofer but no such luck. Same with the adjuster. No help but I better mitigate the damage or they could deny the claim. Great!

Finally looked on line and found a place that boasted 24/7 service. Well, nah. They wouldn’t send someone up on an icy roof. They said maybe they’d call tomorrow to set something up. Gee, thanks.

So I have a plastic bag sealing the hole until I can get some too important people to give a darn.

This is a first for me as I’ve always done my own fix ups.

I feel your pain. We had a very similar situation many years ago. Fortunately we lived in a small town where there’s always “the roofing guy”, the “get the tree off your house guy”, and the Amish to cut up the wood. The good news is that insurance will pay to get the tree off your roof because you can’t assess the roof damage otherwise. If the tree falls in your yard (also happened to us) it’s on your dime entirely.

The tree is laying on the deck which has a broken railing underneath. Does that count?

If it is attached to the house, it is part of the house, so it is covered. Some policies have a "special" deductible on roofs, and some only cover the depreciated cost on the roof, even if you have replacement cost on rest of the house.

imidazol97

For those unfortunate enough to be in warm climates, a little trip down memory lane and why I love snow in the winter under some conditions. I'm sure @suydam remembers these light snow days...

A narrow country road on a hillside with river below. Really neat when you're the first person leaving tracks in the snow.

jmonroe

imidazol97 said:

For those unfortunate enough to be in warm climates, a little trip down memory lane and why I love snow in the winter under some conditions. I'm sure @suydam remembers these light snow days...

A narrow country road on a hillside with river below. Really neat when you're the first person leaving tracks in the snow.

I know what you mean. There are plenty of those types of roads around me but no river to swim in if you miscalculated how slippery the road is and plow through the guard rail. Only creeks to catch you at the end of your slide. And they're not even deep enough for a swim in the Summer. So that would be a wasted trip. Given a choice, I'd prefer driving between Palm trees and I know I'm not the only one in here that feels that way.

jmonroe

venture

jmonroe-

My wife is out shopping and just text me and asked if I wanted any sandwich meat. I told her chipped ham if they know what it is and preferable Isley's.

I'm curious what she comes home with.

explorerx4

@oldfarmer50,
Have you heard of an abandon resort called the Nevele?
Just watched a video about it, kind of long, 30 minutes.
Has some good drone footage in the beginning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfIoEKZp1SQ

nyccarguy

I've heard of that place. It has been around for years. Off of Route 17, in the catskills.

jmonroe

venture said:

jmonroe-

My wife is out shopping and just text me and asked if I wanted any sandwich meat. I told her chipped ham if they know what it is and preferable Isley's.

I'm curious what she comes home with.

Isaly's chipped ham is the ONLY chipped ham we eat in our house. Coincidentally, just last Saturday we had Isaly's chipped ham barbeque sanwiches for dinner with Mrs. j's almost famous potatoe salad and her almost famous barbeque sauce which is even better than the store bought Isaly's brand. I know that is hard to believe but it is.

I'd be willing to bet that the foreigners in here don't know what we're talking about.

jmonroe

abacomike

explorerx4 said:

@oldfarmer50,
Have you heard of an abandon resort called the Nevele?
Just watched a video about it, kind of long, 30 minutes.
Has some good drone footage in the beginning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfIoEKZp1SQ

My Mom and Dad spent many, many vacations at the Nevele in the Catskills - I even joined them a few times. Buddy Hacket, Alan King, Jerry Vale, Mel Torme, to name a few, were headliners at the Saturday night shows.

I also remember many long weekends at Grossingers and The Concord for skiing during the winter as well as summer getaways. They called it the "Borscht Belt" back on the 1960's.

Very expensive in those days with the Concord Hotel being the highest priced.

explorerx4

@abacomike,
Borscht Belt was mentioned in the video.
Now it's clear that it's a nickname for the area, which had many resorts.

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

@oldfarmer50,
Have you heard of an abandon resort called the Nevele?
Just watched a video about it, kind of long, 30 minutes.
Has some good drone footage in the beginning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfIoEKZp1SQ

I can still remember the tv commercials for the place many years ago but no, never went there. It was one of several big Catskill resorts that catered to folks from NYC. Back in the day families would stay the summer while dad commuted to the city Monday through Friday. Cheap airfare and casinos killed them.

Most people in my area looked north to the Adirondacks for vacations.

tjc78

I’ve never heard of that chipped ham and I’m usually pretty in the know of regional foods.

omarman

Not really the original Isaly family chipped chopped ham but it's still being made by a company in PA and marketed under the Isaly's brand name. Like the original Klondike ice cream bar was created by Isaly but is now property of Good Humor-Breyers.

venture

jmonroe said:

venture said:

jmonroe-

My wife is out shopping and just text me and asked if I wanted any sandwich meat. I told her chipped ham if they know what it is and preferable Isley's.

I'm curious what she comes home with.

Isaly's chipped ham is the ONLY chipped ham we eat in our house. Coincidentally, just last Saturday we had Isaly's chipped ham barbeque sanwiches for dinner with Mrs. j's almost famous potatoe salad and her almost famous barbeque sauce which is even better than the store bought Isaly's brand. I know that is hard to believe but it is.

I'd be willing to bet that the foreigners in here don't know what we're talking about.

jmonroe

She did good.

Many times people in the grocery stores here don't know what it is. It didn't used to be that way. Usually they only want to slice it thin.

venture

tjc78 said:

I’ve never heard of that chipped ham and I’m usually pretty in the know of regional foods.

It's as Omarman said. A chopped ham loaf that is "chipped". By that we mean it is sliced so thin that you can almost see through it. Usually you can't pick up a slice because it crumbles and gets mashed together it's so thin. Most times the person behind the counter doesn't want to do it. It's more work and takes longer.

ab348

Up here they call that type of deli slicing "shaved".

houdini1

oldfarmer50 said:

explorerx4 said:

@oldfarmer50,
Have you heard of an abandon resort called the Nevele?
Just watched a video about it, kind of long, 30 minutes.
Has some good drone footage in the beginning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfIoEKZp1SQ

I can still remember the tv commercials for the place many years ago but no, never went there. It was one of several big Catskill resorts that catered to folks from NYC. Back in the day families would stay the summer while dad commuted to the city Monday through Friday. Cheap airfare and casinos killed them.

Most people in my area looked north to the Adirondacks for vacations.

Sad and a little creepy. Good place to film a zombie movie, or the ultimate billion dollar "Flip".

jmonroe

venture said:

tjc78 said:

I’ve never heard of that chipped ham and I’m usually pretty in the know of regional foods.

It's as Omarman said. A chopped ham loaf that is "chipped". By that we mean it is sliced so thin that you can almost see through it. Usually you can't pick up a slice because it crumbles and gets mashed together it's so thin. Most times the person behind the counter doesn't want to do it. It's more work and takes longer.

You got that right about the work part. A little story about that:

As I've mentioned before, we lived in SC from 1992 till 1997 due to my being transferred there. I knew quite a few people that went there when our company took over a contract in 1989. In fact, I bought my second house from a guy (didn't know him) that worked at another division who decided to go down there in 1989 when things were starting up with the take over. Anyway, when we got there, the ones that had gone down in 1989 told us that if we wanted chipped ham we had to go to Krogers. So the story goes, nobody down there had it but the manager at Krogers decided to get it after it was described to him. He was the only guy that was willing to get it and it took several tries until he found a chipped chopped ham that met the tastes of the early Burgers that went down there. For whatever reason Krogers couldn't get the original Islay's brand which is why the Krogers manager had to do the trial and error method. Anyway, that was the story but it eventually worked. What they finally settled for was a damn good substitute. So, the work was already done before we got there.

The funny part of this is when you walked up to the deli counter at Krogers and asked for a pound or two of "chipped ham", you would have thought the deli-gods were set upon them. Why? Because they did not have the automatic slicing machine that you could set to the ultra thin setting and let it run. Nope, they had to do the countless back and forth pushes to get you your order. No wonder they called us damn Yankees.

jmonroe

jmonroe

ab348 said:

Up here they call that type of deli slicing "shaved".

I've come to learn that "shaved" is used to describe that type of cutting deli meat. Around here if you say that we know you are a foreigner. :@

jmonroe

jmonroe

houdini1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

explorerx4 said:

@oldfarmer50,
Have you heard of an abandon resort called the Nevele?
Just watched a video about it, kind of long, 30 minutes.
Has some good drone footage in the beginning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfIoEKZp1SQ

I can still remember the tv commercials for the place many years ago but no, never went there. It was one of several big Catskill resorts that catered to folks from NYC. Back in the day families would stay the summer while dad commuted to the city Monday through Friday. Cheap airfare and casinos killed them.

Most people in my area looked north to the Adirondacks for vacations.

Sad and a little creepy. Good place to film a zombie movie, or the ultimate billion dollar "Flip".

Please do me a favor and don't say "flip". Lately, every time I hear that word I get chills.

jmonroe

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

carnaught said:

Received a couple of different types of correspondence today from a dealership we’ve purchased from back in 2010 and where Mrs. Carnaught has her car serviced. One was a phone call from “Jake” (do not know him) asking for me - she took the call. He said he wanted our 2018 car and would give us “20% over KBB”, no questions asked and no purchase required. The Mrs., savvy as she is, told him that we were not looking to sell at this time, but knowing that my arm does not need twisting to replace any car, told him that if she were to come down there, she would not appreciate a “come-on or bait and switch”. Jake reassured her that it wasn’t but that he had a guy with a cleaning business that wanted to buy several of them in great shape that were 2-3 years old for his company - yeah right! She told him, if interested, she would contact him.

In the meantime I received an elaborate letter today from the same dealership saying that since we have been great at paying off the financing of our car (which we paid cash for), they were prepared to make a great offer on it, and had three papers describing various scenarios. One of them had a “KBB offer“ which was actually $3k lower than KBB’s low figure. Meanwhile, Jake texted Mrs. Carnaught something to the effect of, “how about it?” She texted back that unless their offer was in a certain range, there was nothing to talk about.

Surprise....zilch, nada, nothing from Jake. These dealers think that there must be a lot of suckers out there - but they figure it only takes one.

I still get the monthly payment solicitation from my Ford dealer which when analyzed is a rotten deal.

At least I no longer get offers for my “in high demand” PT Cruiser.

I dont know how in demand your PT cruiser is but there is some fool looking to buy my exact car and as fate would have it he visits the exact same dealerships I do getting there just before me.

carnaught

houdini1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

explorerx4 said:

@oldfarmer50,
Have you heard of an abandon resort called the Nevele?
Just watched a video about it, kind of long, 30 minutes.
Has some good drone footage in the beginning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfIoEKZp1SQ

I can still remember the tv commercials for the place many years ago but no, never went there. It was one of several big Catskill resorts that catered to folks from NYC. Back in the day families would stay the summer while dad commuted to the city Monday through Friday. Cheap airfare and casinos killed them.

Most people in my area looked north to the Adirondacks for vacations.

Sad and a little creepy. Good place to film a zombie movie, or the ultimate billion dollar "Flip".

Creepy enough for a sequel, The Shining II.

driver100

Fintail....I would appreciate your thoughts.
Twice today, I was in the left lane because I have to turn left a mile up the road....2 lanes going in the same direction - 55 - 60 mph. Light ahead turns red, 3 or 4 cars ahead stop, I start to slow down to time it so I won't have to actually stop, I can coast up to the light.....saves the brakes and the motor, and most important easier on any passengers. Both times, the guy behind me uses that as a chance to go around me and speed up to the line up stopped at the red light. Not a big deal for me because my speed doesn't change....but to do that to get 4 seconds ahead of me! :@

Fintail, it made me think of all the other stuff going on, tailgating, zipping in and out to get a car ahead, speeding up and cutting in etc. And, what I was thinking was drivers in Europe can drive fast though I don't think they drive too much over the speed limit, but, I don't think they drive in this reckless thoughtless way as much as they do here, or even back home which is almost as bad but I think Florida is the worst...and I hear lots of people say that. Maybe the fact a license is much harder to get in some countries makes people more knowledgeable about how to drive better, and they respect driving more in general.

explorerx4

@koudini1,
One time when visiting Detroit, a family member asked me if I wanted to tour the old Packard plant.
When they said they always carry going there, I declined just to avoid the possibility of us running into a bad situation.

fintail

I think there's a definite correlation between licensing standards and behavior on the road. Coming home from trips to Germany in the past, I would cringe upon being on the road here, where it seems like 50% of "drivers" are holding a phone, and none of them have any situational awareness. There's also a different mentality. Other locales teach driving as serious business, but I think much of the English speaking first world, especially on this continent, takes a different view. Getting a license is much more difficult and expensive. You'll see jerks in Germany too (the Audi/BMW stereotype as well), but they seem less common, Also in my state anyway, testing has been privatized for a little while - licenses are still issued by the state of course, but testing is by an independent business. I am not going to say licenses are effectively for sale, but with some of the stuff I see on the road around here, it's hard to believe that doesn't happen.

On a non-limited access road like that, you were fine to be in that lane IMO, so no foul on your side. Speed demon probably wasn't even trying to be offensive, that's just how some people behave. I am to the point now where I don't care if someone drives jerky, so long as they signal.

driver100 said:

Fintail....I would appreciate your thoughts.
Twice today, I was in the left lane because I have to turn left a mile up the road....2 lanes going in the same direction - 55 - 60 mph. Light ahead turns red, 3 or 4 cars ahead stop, I start to slow down to time it so I won't have to actually stop, I can coast up to the light.....saves the brakes and the motor, and most important easier on any passengers. Both times, the guy behind me uses that as a chance to go around me and speed up to the line up stopped at the red light. Not a big deal for me because my speed doesn't change....but to do that to get 4 seconds ahead of me! :@

Fintail, it made me think of all the other stuff going on, tailgating, zipping in and out to get a car ahead, speeding up and cutting in etc. And, what I was thinking was drivers in Europe can drive fast though I don't think they drive too much over the speed limit, but, I don't think they drive in this reckless thoughtless way as much as they do here, or even back home which is almost as bad but I think Florida is the worst...and I hear lots of people say that. Maybe the fact a license is much harder to get in some countries makes people more knowledgeable about how to drive better, and they respect driving more in general.

driver100

In some European cities, the lanes are narrow and the driver has to have skill negotiating turns and people, as well as bicycles etc. But, there is little craziness........this need to get somewhere as soon as possible. Risking other peoples lives as well as their own insurance rates. I don't get it.
I know people who were born in this area of Florida and they say driving has become worse than ever.

fintail

Also in European cities, there is usually decent transit, seen as an evil socialist conspiracy on most of this continent, so a lot of people don't need to drive.

I suspect some demographics are at play in FL, too - more density as time goes on, maybe more "new" drivers, along with poor training and enforcement. I think FL is a leader in unlicensed/uninsured drivers (and insurance fraud), with corresponding insurance rates.

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

@koudini1,
One time when visiting Detroit, a family member asked me if I wanted to tour the old Packard plant.
When they said they always carry going there, I declined just to avoid the possibility of us running into a bad situation.

What could possibly go wrong in an abandoned factory filled with junkies and homeless people? I’d advise going in with $100 bills hanging out of all your pockets to impress anyone you might meet.

oldfarmer50

fintail said:

I think there's a definite correlation between licensing standards and behavior on the road. Coming home from trips to Germany in the past, I would cringe upon being on the road here, where it seems like 50% of "drivers" are holding a phone, and none of them have any situational awareness. There's also a different mentality. Other locales teach driving as serious business, but I think much of the English speaking first world, especially on this continent, takes a different view. Getting a license is much more difficult and expensive. You'll see jerks in Germany too (the Audi/BMW stereotype as well), but they seem less common, Also in my state anyway, testing has been privatized for a little while - licenses are still issued by the state of course, but testing is by an independent business. I am not going to say licenses are effectively for sale, but with some of the stuff I see on the road around here, it's hard to believe that doesn't happen.

On a non-limited access road like that, you were fine to be in that lane IMO, so no foul on your side. Speed demon probably wasn't even trying to be offensive, that's just how some people behave. I am to the point now where I don't care if someone drives jerky, so long as they signal.

driver100 said:

Fintail....I would appreciate your thoughts.
Twice today, I was in the left lane because I have to turn left a mile up the road....2 lanes going in the same direction - 55 - 60 mph. Light ahead turns red, 3 or 4 cars ahead stop, I start to slow down to time it so I won't have to actually stop, I can coast up to the light.....saves the brakes and the motor, and most important easier on any passengers. Both times, the guy behind me uses that as a chance to go around me and speed up to the line up stopped at the red light. Not a big deal for me because my speed doesn't change....but to do that to get 4 seconds ahead of me! :@

Fintail, it made me think of all the other stuff going on, tailgating, zipping in and out to get a car ahead, speeding up and cutting in etc. And, what I was thinking was drivers in Europe can drive fast though I don't think they drive too much over the speed limit, but, I don't think they drive in this reckless thoughtless way as much as they do here, or even back home which is almost as bad but I think Florida is the worst...and I hear lots of people say that. Maybe the fact a license is much harder to get in some countries makes people more knowledgeable about how to drive better, and they respect driving more in general.

Just this minute I heard on the news that NYS is eliminating the parallel parking portion of the license road test. Are you kidding?

Their logic is that since most drivers pass all the other portions of the test why keep the hard parts that people fail.

I think I’m losing my mind living in this place.

tjc78

In reality how often do most people parallel park?

I think I do it twice a year at most.

driver100

fintail said:

Also in European cities, there is usually decent transit, seen as an evil socialist conspiracy on most of this continent, so a lot of people don't need to drive.

I suspect some demographics are at play in FL, too - more density as time goes on, maybe more "new" drivers, along with poor training and enforcement. I think FL is a leader in unlicensed/uninsured drivers (and insurance fraud), with corresponding insurance rates.

All true! A big factor that people who live here full time tell me is developers can make whole neighborhoods, and they don't pay any development fees....even for new roads. So the new surveys go up with 100s of homes, and then the state has to figure out how to make roads to handle the traffic...which doesn't come until many years later.
Not much enforcement for no licence or no insurance.

driver100

tjc78 said:

In reality how often do most people parallel park?

I think I do it twice a year at most.

I think they make you parallel park on a road test 1) Just in case you have to do it one day and 2) Because it is a maneuver that you should be able to do....tells a lot about turning to see which way you are going and judging distances etc.
They probably took it off the test because people have cars that self park. I wonder if you can make it park itself on a drivers test?

oldfarmer50

“ Also in European cities, there is usually decent transit, seen as an evil socialist conspiracy on most of this continent, so a lot of people don't need to drive”

It’s only socialist when vote buying politicians take money from rural/suburban areas and funnel it to cities without providing similar services to folks paying for it.

omarman

"One time when visiting Detroit..."

stickguy

my wife freely admits that at this point she probably could not parallel park her car. She has not done it in ages and would just drive around looking before taking a spot that required it.

They should have it on the test simply because it is the one part that actually takes some real skill and precision.

driver100

Omarman......glad to see you are back in form.