That's yet another odd one @jipster. What browser, operating system, and are you running an ad blocker? Or are you on a phone or tablet? (we had some IOS formatting issues last July).
@Mr_Shiftright. I loved my 04 Focus ZTS(2.3 5 speed stick), but it was really aggravating to drive at times, for the same reason you noted. Since I just started driving a mid size sedan after driving a full size supercab pickup just about exclusively for 8 months, a big difference is the sensation of speed. At 75, the truck doesn't feel like it is going any faster than the car @60.
I noticed, a lot of people follow close, but usually the cars that follow the closest are F-150 pick ups. There must be something about driving one that makes the driver want to be as close as possible to the car in front.
I'd throw in the Ram ppickups as well.
There seems to be a sense of entitlement with the higher vehicle and the size. I know that being higher off the ground makes speed seem less because of the appearance of slower passing of the ground beneath your wheels.
I think it works both ways. I definitely notice a difference when I'm driving the Mini Cooper or the 4X4 truck. In the Cooper, people tend to try and push you around, or jump on you in intersections, etc.---but not when I'm in the truck.
That is what I meant by thinking about getting a pickup for self defense when I lived in SC.
I could have pushed people around and hauled stuff too. What could be better than that?
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
From 1978 until 1980 I switched back and forth between my Kenworth cabover tractor (350 Cummins) and my 240Z. Both had their advantages, but it definitely took a different skill set (buzzword alert) to deal with each. The people who try to bully using their toy pickup trucks are amusing -- it's all relative.
Hey, I think I better go vote again. It doesn't look like my first vote is doing all that much.
Maybe on the way to the voting booth I can drag in a road kill or two to help me out. Stranger things have happened. I don't want anyone to say I didn't do my part.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I noticed, a lot of people follow close, but usually the cars that follow the closest are F-150 pick ups. There must be something about driving one that makes the driver want to be as close as possible to the car in front.
I'd throw in the Ram ppickups as well.
There seems to be a sense of entitlement with the higher vehicle and the size. I know that being higher off the ground makes speed seem less because of the appearance of slower passing of the ground beneath your wheels.
I think it works both ways. I definitely notice a difference when I'm driving the Mini Cooper or the 4X4 truck. In the Cooper, people tend to try and push you around, or jump on you in intersections, etc.---but not when I'm in the truck.
but in wife's PT with the cutsie license plate they cut me off .
They still like to pull up right to my bumper at lights.
I think they are trying to tell you something, especially because of the cutsie plates
Something about a BMW or Audi just forces aggressive driving. Infinitis are often not far behind. The affluent eastside Seattle suburbs are like a proving ground for these things.
Sometimes a newer Honda can be dopey too - this happened in my neck of the woods this morning:
I see a lot of BMWs weaving through traffic, missing by inches. And many older cheap cars, Honda Civics, etc. Newer Hondas, not so much. This morning, it was a fairly new Avalon that missed me by inches. I don't think any make or model has a corner on the market of being driven by ________.
Good buying opportunity. The DOW went down 5% after Obama initially won (according to my wife). Upon his reelection in 2012 the DOW fell 300+ points (2.4%) and the DOW was just below 13,000, give or take. So 4 years, 5,000 upside. (USA Today)
markets always find a way to make money. But they really had uncertainty, and unexpected outcomes. And tend to react badly. The day after will tell a lot more.
I still think after the excitement of winning is over, he is really going to hate being stuck with the job!
This might screw up the car biz for a little while. People tend to postpone large purchases in times of uncertainty. Not me. I'm still buying that new air filter tomorrow.
The markets are foolish. The same thing happened the day after the Brexit vote and within a week everything was riding high again. Can't read anything into their behavior.
People have been saying we are overdue for a recession, this could be the tipping point. My 401K will take a beating, but my gold will fare well. Just hope my employer can weather it. I am optimistic even if I don't agree with the choice. It'll be an interesting few years, and do or die time for the party.
@Mr_Shiftright.
I loved my 04 Focus ZTS(2.3 5 speed stick), but it was really aggravating to drive at times, for the same reason you noted.
Since I just started driving a mid size sedan after driving a full size supercab pickup just about exclusively for 8 months, a big difference is the sensation of speed.
At 75, the truck doesn't feel like it is going any faster than the car @60.
Have a new Kindle tablet. Was working fine first couple of days. It's an Amazon tablet. There are no ads... which is good, in a way. Agree with snakie, don't expect much to change with Trump. Putin is happy.
2020 Honda Accord EX-L, 2011 Hyundai Veracruz, 2010 Mercury Milan Premiere, 2007 Kia Optima
Silk browser. I can just start randomly pushing buttons, would that help?
Ah, got no experience with that one. But that's probably it, something about how it renders our pages. I'll ask around.
Several months back I had trouble with what might be similar pages showing up with everything justified along the left side--no formatting. My Firefox wasn't reading the style sheets was my thought. I switched to Chrome, but still occasionally loaded a page that was missing formatting. My computer is XP. Firefox keeps updating but Chrome says it won't update because my OS is out-of-date! Imagine that, LOL.
I took a screen shot then, but can't find it now. Problem got fixed somehow by someone.
Please folks.....cars, not politics. Thank you. General comments relating to economy should be ok as it relates to auto industry/car buying/energy policy/etc.
OK, here's my take - not much really happens with imports from Mexico because that will just hurt Detroit and help the Asian transplants in the car segment. Also, D3 is pretty much at capacity in their US plants and not really in a good position to build more new US plants. Might impact Chinese Buick's if things get ugly though. Export Import bank may get hurt initially, but that will really smack companies like GE and Boeing, as well as high paying jobs in places like South Carolina, so if that happens it comes back with a new name. Bottom line, politics is politics no matter who is running it
The ATS is at the dealer today for its 6-month service so I get a loaner car. This dealer usually gives me a Malibu but today I got a 2017 Cadillac XT5 SUV. 1500 miles on it, 3.6 V6, dark gray metallic over black of course. I was surprised to find it doesn't actually drive a whole lot bigger than the ATS though obviously you are up higher and you do feel the added heft. It has a whole bunch of the nanny features some of you guys talk about which might take me a bit of time to get used to. It has really nice seats, much nicer than the ATS seats, and the interior would be lovely if it wasn't all-black.
It tried to kill me the first few times I got in and out because someone had set the memory features to move the seat forward and put the outside mirrors into useless positions when you started it. I was able to fix that. The electronic gearshift takes a lot of getting used to and I don't see the point of it. It took a whole page of the owners manual to explain how to put it into neutral at a car wash, and I still couldn't figure it out. Even shifting into reverse is painful. Foolish. It also has a slight rattle in the headliner or sunroof which would irritate me if I was the owner. Other than those things it is nice enough and would probably suit me better in a different color combo.
It doesn't seem quick but it actually is. A few times I found myself zooming along much faster than I thought because it didn't feel like I was going fast. It is more car than I need but I can see why some people like SUVs in this size. No idea what this is worth but I'd guess the sticker is somewhere between 50K and 60K Cdn. I'd pass, but it is interesting to have it for the day.
BTW, this service usually takes a couple of hours. But even though I live only about 3 miles from the dealer, it is on the other side of a toll bridge across the harbor that is often congested and the dealer's shuttle drivers won't go over it most of the time because of that. So they soak Cadillac for a "rental car" which is actually the dealer's own rental service that only their service customers use.
Great review ab. I checked out that shifter and it seems pretty complicated, though once you do it a few times you would get used to it. The XT5 they use has a nice looking interior....the color really helps. That name, XT5, I have trouble remembering that. Here is the 3 minute video about shifting, it would help if I had an engineering degree; https://youtu.be/mF07SYZIbCI
The ATS is at the dealer today for its 6-month service so I get a loaner car. This dealer usually gives me a Malibu but today I got a 2017 Cadillac XT5 SUV. 1500 miles on it, 3.6 V6, dark gray metallic over black of course. I was surprised to find it doesn't actually drive a whole lot bigger than the ATS though obviously you are up higher and you do feel the added heft. It has a whole bunch of the nanny features some of you guys talk about which might take me a bit of time to get used to. It has really nice seats, much nicer than the ATS seats, and the interior would be lovely if it wasn't all-black.
It tried to kill me the first few times I got in and out because someone had set the memory features to move the seat forward and put the outside mirrors into useless positions when you started it. I was able to fix that. The electronic gearshift takes a lot of getting used to and I don't see the point of it. It took a whole page of the owners manual to explain how to put it into neutral at a car wash, and I still couldn't figure it out. Even shifting into reverse is painful. Foolish. It also has a slight rattle in the headliner or sunroof which would irritate me if I was the owner. Other than those things it is nice enough and would probably suit me better in a different color combo.
It doesn't seem quick but it actually is. A few times I found myself zooming along much faster than I thought because it didn't feel like I was going fast. It is more car than I need but I can see why some people like SUVs in this size. No idea what this is worth but I'd guess the sticker is somewhere between 50K and 60K Cdn. I'd pass, but it is interesting to have it for the day.
BTW, this service usually takes a couple of hours. But even though I live only about 3 miles from the dealer, it is on the other side of a toll bridge across the harbor that is often congested and the dealer's shuttle drivers won't go over it most of the time because of that. So they soak Cadillac for a "rental car" which is actually the dealer's own rental service that only their service customers use.
It's nice to hear that you got a Caddy loaner when you took your ATS in for service. Now you know about a 2017 Cadillac XT5 SUV. They gave you a chance to see if you would consider getting one.
My local Hyundai dealer never gave me a Genny as a loaner when I had the '09 (I have not needed one for the '15 so far) and to be honest I didn't want one because I know what they are like. Getting a different brand because they deal with Enterprise was fine with me since it gave me a chance to see what is out there in the daily driver category . However, one time when the Enterprise guy pulled up with a Kia Rio, I told him to take it back. I was NOT going to accept it because I was going to be driving the PA pike and didn't feel that the Kia was a close substitute for a Genny in terms of safety or in it's ability to get out of it's own way let alone get up to speed from the on ramp of the pike. He said, "you have to take it because this is what they have set up for you". I told him to wait and I went over to the service desk and told the service advisor about what was going on and he just smiled and said, "Oh, sorry about that Mr. jmonroe, how about a Sonata we don't have a Genesis for you right now". I'm easy to get along with so I took the Sonata.
Every time after that when I had to have warranty work done, the guy at the service desk looked at his "system" and said, "I see you don't want a small car. I can get you a full size no problem". I don't have to be pampered but I don't have to be taken advantage of either.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Great review ab. I checked out that shifter and it seems pretty complicated, though once you do it a few times you would get used to it. The XT5 they use has a nice looking interior....the color really helps. That name, XT5, I have trouble remembering that. Here is the 3 minute video about shifting, it would help if I had an engineering degree; https://youtu.be/mF07SYZIbCI
FWIW, I have one of those pieces of paper but I'll be damned if I'd want to own a beast that has that kind of a "system".
Talk about doing something because you can, that is the epidemy of that philosophy.
Another FWIW, Mrs. j would never be able to drive a car with that monstrosity. :@
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
The shift in that Cadillac kind of reminds me of the BMW shift lever.
It is like a complicated version of the bmw shifter. Roadrunner calls it the beer tap shifter, and I see why. It did take a little while to learn how to use it, especially since the bmw salesman sent me out in a demonstrator without explaining it. I cam head on with another car in the parking lot and I felt like an idiot, because I couldn't put it in reverse. But, once I learned how to use it it was easy and I actually liked it...but, the Caddie one seems a lot more complicated.
Great review ab. I checked out that shifter and it seems pretty complicated, though once you do it a few times you would get used to it. The XT5 they use has a nice looking interior....the color really helps. That name, XT5, I have trouble remembering that. Here is the 3 minute video about shifting, it would help if I had an engineering degree; https://youtu.be/mF07SYZIbCI
FWIW, I have one of those pieces of paper but I'll be damned if I'd want to own a beast that has that kind of a "system".
Talk about doing something because you can, that is the epidemy of that philosophy.
Another FWIW, Mrs. j would never be able to drive a car with that monstrosity. :@
jmonroe
I was thinking of you when I said it would take an engineering degree to be able to manage that shifter. Shifters seem to be something everyone is trying to improve upon. It is great that shifters have become electronic, but someone also has to use that science wisely if they are trying to make it better.
Consumers Reports show some of the odd shifters out there, and says shifters should be intuitive, and designed so they are easy to use.
I had been driving the BMW rental car, and one night we used Mrs D's GLK. I went to turn on the windshield wipers - which I thought was the stalk on the right of the steering wheel as that was the one I used in the BMW bit somehow I hit the paddle shifter and I put the car into 2nd gear. Had to pull over on a busy road, and turn the car off and on again to get it back into drive. What happened to KISS (keep it simple stupid?)
My Fusion has a dial in the center console with P R N D pretty much in the 10 to 2 area of it, with an S button in the center of the dial. Very easy to use. I will have to look at a picture of what the shift in my 2013 looked like, because I just don't remember. It also has paddle shifters.
My Fusion has a dial in the center console with P R N D pretty much in the 10 to 2 area of it, with an S button in the center of the dial. Very easy to use. I will have to look at a picture of what the shift in my 2013 looked like, because I just don't remember. It also has paddle shifters.
What does the "S" do?
On the XT5, by this afternoon I had gotten a bit more used to the drill of pressing the button on the side of the handle while jerking it to the left to go into reverse or back to go into drive. The P button on the top baffled me for a bit but eventually I figured out that of you just forgot about everythng else and pushed it when you were stopped it went into Park automatically.
I think the pushbutton selectors inspired by the old Mopars and updated to work electronically might make more sense now than what Caddy did.
One of the things I forgot in the original post - the XT5 had that auto engine stop/start when you come to a stop and just like in a Malibu I had a while ago, I hated it. In the XT5 I was surprised at how it felt - sort of like the transmission popping out of gear and then back in. It was very noticeable as the car shuddered each time it stopped or started. I looked and could not see any way to turn that thing off either. That might be a deal-breaker if true.
car related, I would have to decline the presmo job is offered. They aren't allowed to drive! That would never fly.
can you imagine being president, and just popping in to some random car dealer over in Fairfax, to pick up a new set of wheels for yourself? Think the salesmanager is going to put on the hard sell?
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I loved my 04 Focus ZTS(2.3 5 speed stick), but it was really aggravating to drive at times, for the same reason you noted.
Since I just started driving a mid size sedan after driving a full size supercab pickup just about exclusively for 8 months, a big difference is the sensation of speed.
At 75, the truck doesn't feel like it is going any faster than the car @60.
I could have pushed people around and hauled stuff too. What could be better than that?
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Maybe on the way to the voting booth I can drag in a road kill or two to help me out. Stranger things have happened. I don't want anyone to say I didn't do my part.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Sometimes a newer Honda can be dopey too - this happened in my neck of the woods this morning:
https://youtu.be/N5kkoeMeJ30
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I need to make sure not to look at my 401k balance any time soon.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Nice to see that not only the Limeys make iffy decisions.
Kind of like GM failing and becoming a shell of it's former self (to keep things car related).
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I still think after the excitement of winning is over, he is really going to hate being stuck with the job!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Call me a chicken but 3 weeks ago I transferred everything to fixed income.
It will correct in a month or 2 at the most. Then I get back in.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Just ride it out, just like in '08.
Still no final decision about the election, yet.
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2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
If anything, SNL might be good for a few years.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
I took a screen shot then, but can't find it now. Problem got fixed somehow by someone.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Hopefully it will be a change for the better.
Have to agree though, why would anyone want that job, especially if you have Billions....I'd rather have a garage like Jay Lenos.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Time to heal. Time to go car shopping.
It tried to kill me the first few times I got in and out because someone had set the memory features to move the seat forward and put the outside mirrors into useless positions when you started it. I was able to fix that. The electronic gearshift takes a lot of getting used to and I don't see the point of it. It took a whole page of the owners manual to explain how to put it into neutral at a car wash, and I still couldn't figure it out. Even shifting into reverse is painful. Foolish. It also has a slight rattle in the headliner or sunroof which would irritate me if I was the owner. Other than those things it is nice enough and would probably suit me better in a different color combo.
It doesn't seem quick but it actually is. A few times I found myself zooming along much faster than I thought because it didn't feel like I was going fast. It is more car than I need but I can see why some people like SUVs in this size. No idea what this is worth but I'd guess the sticker is somewhere between 50K and 60K Cdn. I'd pass, but it is interesting to have it for the day.
BTW, this service usually takes a couple of hours. But even though I live only about 3 miles from the dealer, it is on the other side of a toll bridge across the harbor that is often congested and the dealer's shuttle drivers won't go over it most of the time because of that. So they soak Cadillac for a "rental car" which is actually the dealer's own rental service that only their service customers use.
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
https://youtu.be/mF07SYZIbCI
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
My local Hyundai dealer never gave me a Genny as a loaner when I had the '09 (I have not needed one for the '15 so far) and to be honest I didn't want one because I know what they are like. Getting a different brand because they deal with Enterprise was fine with me since it gave me a chance to see what is out there in the daily driver category . However, one time when the Enterprise guy pulled up with a Kia Rio, I told him to take it back. I was NOT going to accept it because I was going to be driving the PA pike and didn't feel that the Kia was a close substitute for a Genny in terms of safety or in it's ability to get out of it's own way let alone get up to speed from the on ramp of the pike. He said, "you have to take it because this is what they have set up for you". I told him to wait and I went over to the service desk and told the service advisor about what was going on and he just smiled and said, "Oh, sorry about that Mr. jmonroe, how about a Sonata we don't have a Genesis for you right now". I'm easy to get along with so I took the Sonata.
Every time after that when I had to have warranty work done, the guy at the service desk looked at his "system" and said, "I see you don't want a small car. I can get you a full size no problem". I don't have to be pampered but I don't have to be taken advantage of either.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Talk about doing something because you can, that is the epidemy of that philosophy.
Another FWIW, Mrs. j would never be able to drive a car with that monstrosity. :@
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Consumers Reports show some of the odd shifters out there, and says shifters should be intuitive, and designed so they are easy to use.
CONSUMER REPORTS SHIFTERS
I had been driving the BMW rental car, and one night we used Mrs D's GLK. I went to turn on the windshield wipers - which I thought was the stalk on the right of the steering wheel as that was the one I used in the BMW bit somehow I hit the paddle shifter and I put the car into 2nd gear. Had to pull over on a busy road, and turn the car off and on again to get it back into drive. What happened to KISS (keep it simple stupid?)
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I will have to look at a picture of what the shift in my 2013 looked like, because I just don't remember.
It also has paddle shifters.
On the XT5, by this afternoon I had gotten a bit more used to the drill of pressing the button on the side of the handle while jerking it to the left to go into reverse or back to go into drive. The P button on the top baffled me for a bit but eventually I figured out that of you just forgot about everythng else and pushed it when you were stopped it went into Park automatically.
I think the pushbutton selectors inspired by the old Mopars and updated to work electronically might make more sense now than what Caddy did.
One of the things I forgot in the original post - the XT5 had that auto engine stop/start when you come to a stop and just like in a Malibu I had a while ago, I hated it. In the XT5 I was surprised at how it felt - sort of like the transmission popping out of gear and then back in. It was very noticeable as the car shuddered each time it stopped or started. I looked and could not see any way to turn that thing off either. That might be a deal-breaker if true.
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
You can decide who was doing it for which reason.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
can you imagine being president, and just popping in to some random car dealer over in Fairfax, to pick up a new set of wheels for yourself? Think the salesmanager is going to put on the hard sell?
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.