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Honda Accord Quality Control Issues
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Doubt if they have ever made a penny from Honda-why would they do anything for Honda.
As a former market researcher I really admire the business model JDP has developed. Also their methodology must stand up to potential liability suits. When is the last time you saw a auto manufacturer going after JDP. Remember the long court battle between CR and a certain tippy SUV. CR did the world a favor to bring this problem front and center.
When anybody is flogging anything-just be aware of where their interest lies and that will tell the tale.
Honda's aren't perfect. We had once owned a 2000 Accord and it was back in the shop 3x during the time we owned it. It was an "ok" car nothing to write home about in my book. Especially after I drove a Mazda 6 and a Passat V6! Visit www.alldata.com and try to find Honda TSB information..
Personally, all of my Accords have been great. Wouldn't keep buying them otherwise.
It’s not just the internet that has created a hotbed for complaints, although it is a part of the equation. The cars themselves are infinitely more complex than just ten years ago. There is so much more that can go wrong, yet cars today are generally more reliable. Total Quality Management at work.
Cars are also much quieter. I’ve got a ’92 Integra with a plethora of rattles, tire noise, engine noise, exhaust. But it doesn’t seem to bother me. My 2003 Accord MIGHT have a rattle in the passenger side door. It’s driving me nuts. Not so much that it occasionally exists, but that I can actually HEAR that miniscule sound.
This leaves manufacturers in something of a quandary. They must continue to develop noise-canceling technologies, yet those same efforts reveal unintended results. Now, instead of noise complaints emanating from sources outside of the cockpit, many people are finding the interior materials causing annoying vibrations or squeaks. Especially windows. The seals have almost become too tight and wear resistant. They certainly keep out moisture and noise, as well as last for the life of the car. So now instead of having to replace window/door seals because of wear, we replace them because we’re getting annoyed.
I believe that we, as consumers, are beginning to expect perfection from a continuously evolving machine. One that has changed so dramatically from it’s inception that it can scarcely be compared to it’s predecessors. The modern auto shares 4 wheels, an engine, and the capacity to convey humans with the Benz Patent Motor Vehicle "Replica" (1886, Germany) and that’s about it. In a little over 100 years a bunch of folks just like you and I have gone from “gee, what a great idea” to “my personal conveyance appliance is not fast/quiet/entertaining/trouble-free/cheap enough”.
When I was a young whipper snapper I had to trudge uphill 4 miles in the snow both ways……..
Here is the article:
http://world.honda.com/news/1999/c991221b.html
But on the basis of the first 180 days' quality of the 6th and 7th generation Accords, my personal observation (since we had/have them both, bought at different times), the simple fact is that the 7th gen has had warped rotors, many interior noises and more recently, a clanging noise from the rear. The 6th gen ? None.
On both gen Accords, we got the cars on the first few months of the new model year.
My real-world experience thus suggests that Honda's initial quality has slipped. Something's wrong with their system, and if they want to keep their customers, they simply should just address it is my message to the big H.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/business/DailyNews/honda_gm991221.- html
Honda just needs to do a better job policing its suppliers.
I do agree that Honda needs to be VERY vigilant with their vendors.
Honda and GM are going to swap engines. Each is getting a good deal.
I'll make the prediction that GM will take the engines they are supplied and plop them right into any vehicle they will fit in.
Honda will, like they did with the Isuzu built Passport, put the GM motors on the market for a short while. After a few years they will have enough R&D to come out with a whole new line of diesel powered vehicles.
So, while GM rests upon its laurels Honda is busy becoming a leading manufacturer of both gas AND diesel engines.
Quality Slipping at Honda? Yeah, right. In your dreams.
isellhondas--the name of the game is the bottom line. I believe Honda is like any other company in the USA in trying to keep their costs down. When this happens in the automotive industry, quality drops fast.
http://www.honda.co.uk/news/20030901.html
10 years later Honda has two of the most reliable and sought after SUV's on the market. Don't you think they did a TON of R&D and Quality Improvement from the Rodeo to the CRV and Pilot?
My point was that Honda is probably going to do the same thing with this diesel engine they are getting. What's the #1 application for diesel engines?
TRUCKS
However, Honda's interest in diesel has nothing to do with trucks and everything to do with Europe, which demands diesel to be competitive in everything from sub-compacts to luxury sedans.
I read where Toyota will be coming out with a hybrid RAV 4 as well as a hybrid Highlander. Diesels are going to be slowly phased out
in Europe in favor of hybrids and eventually fuel cell vehicles.
The premium for Hybrid technology is still too high (and what is the cost of battery replacement down the line?), but I believe I read where Toyota is licensing Nissan with their technology, so prices may fall sooner than expected if critical mass is achieved.
I haven't read where the EU companies are near to producing any Hybrids (have you?) and I seriously doubt they will let the Japanese capture this market in their continent (quotas??).
If Honda can pass the near future EPA diesel standards, I'd like to have the option of this engine in a couple of their vehicles.
Mine was slightly out of adjustment, but only by a hair, and was very easy to adjust. lined up now...
652,000 is a lot isn't it?
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20031104/1005296.asp
Honda sales are down.
dealer suggest every 3000mi, but owner's manul said 5000mi, C&D review even mention once 10000mi going to be fine. confuse!
btw, what kind of oil is better?
thanks lot!
the 10k is for the 4cyl, I believe 6cyl is 5k. I have the 4cyl and change my oil every 5k.
I used to hear an annoying whistling sound that varies in length (sometimes short "voot" sometimes long "vooooooot") from my 2001 Civic. The sound comes only when the A/C is on, and it doesn't matter if the car is rolling or not. The sound can be heard from the inside and outside of the car.
I never took it to the dealer because I couldn’t figure out how or when it will whistle again, it annoyed me enough that it was the main reason I sold it and bought the Accord. May be not to that extent, but my wife needed an excuse for buying another car.