Honda Accord Quality Control Issues

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  • jebinc1jebinc1 Member Posts: 198
    Has anyone had problems with chattering wipers or wiper blade deposits on the windshield? I've cleaned the glass with Bi-nami and other cleaners per Honda suggestion and also had them replace the blades twice. Once clean with new blades, the wipers work for about 45 minutes and then the noise, deposits and chatter return... the deposits are near the end of the wiper stroke/travel (locations where the wipers reverse direction) Any suggestions? I have checked the blade orientation to the glass and that seems fine. It's almost like the glass is not smooth enough or the tension is wrong (or a bad design). Also tried rain-x early on. Thoughts, suggestions???
  • dc_sports_ruledc_sports_rule Member Posts: 134
    It sounds as if the coating of Rain X is causing the chattering problem. That stuff is pretty tough to get off once it is applied. My suggestion would be to use Dawn liquid detergent and strip the windshield of the Rain X. That should correct your chattering problem.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,696
    To remove everything that might be causing the rubber to skip, use an SOS pad. Wet windshield, rub lightly repeatedly, rinse, repeat.
    Removes road coating and the soap should remove rainX.Rub the rubber edge on the blade gently a few times with SOS pad. Rinse thoroughly. Water will sheet down the whole windshield.

    I've used it for years.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • lelandhendrixlelandhendrix Member Posts: 240
    The TSB that the dealers have about the wipers streaking involves replacing all the little rubber hoses that run from the fluid resovoir to the spray nozzles.

    Apparently, the some of the original hoses came from the supplier out of spec. and deteriorate, causing some of the rubber's compounds to enter the cleaning fluid and mar the windshield after use.
  • mikegold_1966mikegold_1966 Member Posts: 138
    Honda has taken to many short cuts with suppliers within the past 5 years to cut costs. That is my opinion. Any comments?
  • billyperksbillyperks Member Posts: 449
    Toyota, Kia, Nissan,Chevy,Jaguar,Bentley, BWM, Rolls Royce etc etc etc.
  • eric227eric227 Member Posts: 8
    I just purchased a 2004 Deep Green Pearl V6 sedan last Thursday. I traded in a 1998 Grand Prix that I really liked except for the squeaks and rattles.

    After driving the car for the past week, there are quite a few rattles in this car that I didn't notice on the test drive. I'm in Chicago and perhaps the cold weather we've had the past week hasn't helped (I have no garage), but I have rattles from what appear to be the rear package shelf and well as the front passenger seat &/or door pillar (this may be the seat belt hitting the seat/pillar when I'm driving - I don't have the rattle with a passenger).

    I saw a TSB for 2003 Accords for the rear shelf, but noticed a stop in VIN numbers which would make me think the problem was corrected. Should I mention this TSB when I go back to the dealer on Saturday to have the cargo net installed?

    I also have a question about the performance of the engine/transmission in stop and go city traffic. Am I pushing on the pedal incorrectly? If I'm in traffic at a light and we start to go and I push the pedal lightly (in the 20-25MPH) range, the car seems to 'lug' or hold back. Is this the transmission trying to shift into another gear. Should I drive in D3 instead of D?

    If I have no one if front of me and can just go, the car accelerates very smoothly and quickly. I've never had a 5 speed automatic or a Honda. My previous cars (all Pontiacs) never did such a thing.

    With the exception of the rattles and the lugging in city traffic, I like the car, especially all the features. But I must say if rattles are just a fact of life for any car, I should have kept my Grand Prix. Maybe I was expecting too much.
  • pj23pj23 Member Posts: 158
    I don't have a V6, but it may be that the luggigng sensation you are feeling is the way the drive-by-wire throttle is responding to your inputs. I believe it has a slightly different feel to it than a mechanically-connected throttle.
  • amingaming Member Posts: 119
    Finally bought my dream car....yup a Accord EX V6. Been dying to get one for over a year. Just a few issues that I've noticed and might need to get looked at.

    - The rear right door doesn't open from the inside. It only opens from the outside. Yeah you are probably saying "I know what that is" but you are wrong. I checked the child locks. Toggled it back and forth 4-5 times and tried in between - no luck.

    - The seat drivers seat moves alittle during hard stops or turns.

    - Long delays (1 sec) when stepping on the gas. I say long delay because I usually jump into traffic and try and accelarate fast to get with the flow of traffic. I now have to judge it very carfully because some of the traffic is moving at 100 Kmh so 1 sec can seem like eternity. Seems that if starting from 0 Kmh, it's best to put in D2. There seems almost no lag in pickup. And if moving already at 30-70Kmh then having it in D3 seems to give decent results. Still testing .....

    Other then that this car is everything I had ever wanted in a car.

    Gas mileage is at 29 city so far.

    Cheers
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    Sounds like you have a few of those "sample deects" Consumer Reports talks about in the reviews.
  • ken972ken972 Member Posts: 162
    Hey, Ive noticed something similar to you when aggressively accelerating from a stop. Actually it happened when I was test driving before I purchased a 04 V6. When you floor the accelerator from being stopped there is a lag. But I found when you ease on the gas..even quickly ease on the gas..hard to explain..the car will take off. I was used to a 4cyl camry before this car. To get that car moving I had to aggresively drive it. The V6 accord takes off with much less effort. I think the torque kicks in after you are up to 20 ro 30 mph. Hope I made some sense.
  • chucko3chucko3 Member Posts: 793
    A/T. Even at high speed, when you suddenly floor the accelerator, you still feel the lag.
    Just ease off the gas pedal and accelerate, the V6 will hit 80 MPH at no time, even on the up hill.
  • kendridkendrid Member Posts: 97
    I just trade in my 99 Grand prix for an 04 (not the V6). My GP had 87,000 miles and no rattles/squeaks (I must have got lucky).

    I test drove my LX over very rough roads and there were no rattles or squeaks anywhere. When I was driving it home from the dealer down 90 I heard a 'squeak squeak...'. I was pissed. It sound like it was coming from the passenger side pillar.

    When my wife was in the car the next day I asked her to listen for where the squeak was coming from. She said it was coming from the driver's side, not the passenger's side.

    She pin-pointed it fairly quickly. It was my garage door opener. The visors are pretty fat and it's clip does not fit onto them well.

    While you probably have a 'real' squeak/rattle, it might not be coming from where you think. The acoustics inside of the car can play tricks on you, as they did for me.

    Side note: My neighbor traded in her 99 Grand Prix for a Passat. She said she still misses the GP. They are good cars that were pretty reliable. I considered an 04, but I needed a change.
  • amingaming Member Posts: 119
    Thanks for the reponse folks.
    I just need to have it kick-in when I floor it. I know it goes good when you ease into it. I'm just used to cars taking off when you floor it. I knew that this was a problem when I test drove it a year ago (8 test drives since then) and I still wanted the car. I knew worst came to worst I would learn how to "work" around it or find some other solution (changing gears) before I needed to floor it. Maybe I just have to wait 10-20K for proper break-in. Also found my coolant on the low level after one weeks worth of driving. Don't know if it was low when I picked it up. Tire presures were 3-5psi higher than norms. One month aniversary already and have 3k on it already, it was a slow month of driving to boot.
  • eric227eric227 Member Posts: 8
    Thanks for the comments. I guess I just wasn't used to the car. Now that I've just returned from driving out of town for Thanksgiving, I'm not noticing the squeaks anymore (the car was probably cold and I adjusted the passenger seat). I also readjusted the way I sit in the driver's seat and now I think I just press the gas pedal a better way and I'm not noticing the lag anymore or it's much less than it worse.

    Thanks for all the comments. I now have 350 miles on my car in a week and I don't even drive to work. I take the 'el'.

    kendrid - my '98 GP had 61,000 and I really liked it. Especially the styling. I got used to the squeaks after awhile. Just turned up the radio. However, 6 years was the longest I've ever kept a car and wanted a change (I usually only keep for 4 years). I tried the 04 GP, but didn't like it.
  • ratbeeratbee Member Posts: 2
    Last time I had my 1987 Accord emission tested the NOX was real high. What causes this to be so high? The car has 230,000 miles on it and is in excellent condition.
    Thanks,
    Al
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    I tried a higher RPM wehen testing it and it passed. If you have the option, try a lower gear and get the RPM's up when testing.
  • ray_h71ray_h71 Member Posts: 212
    NOx high at 230,000 miles? I'd have to wonder whether the exhaust gas recirculation system is no longer up to full efficiency. I take it, though, your car passed anyway?
  • exit68exit68 Member Posts: 7
    I have a 2003 4 cyl EXL coupe. Recently I've noticed an acrid smell coming from the ventilation system for a few minutes after turning the climate control from off to auto mode. Has anyone experienced this? It disappears after a few minutes. Is there a service bulletin on the condition? Thanks for any input.
  • tblazer503tblazer503 Member Posts: 620
    got a question... how is it that a 16yo 230k car is in 'excellent' condition? =oP

    anyways... now that I've gotten that out of my system... this is carburated, right? If it is, perhaps it may need a tune-up.
  • mikegold_1966mikegold_1966 Member Posts: 138
    I haven't seen any 16 year old car with 230K on the odometer in excellent condition. Good condition yes-----excellent condition no.

    Had a friend with a 1994 Honda LX with 284K on the odometer and the car had normal wear and tear mechanically. The hood and front bumper although were covered with numerous stone chips from highway driving.
  • occupant1occupant1 Member Posts: 412
    I have a 1995 Buick Century with 226K on it in "excellent" condition...there are a different set of criterion for people who drive cars to the death...for example...

    it has some paint scraped off the corners of the front bumpers, I'll touch it up later...

    the left rear hubcap has some curbing damage...

    the hood ornament is a little bit loose, and won't stay on straight...

    the driver's door power window goes down 100% of the time and up 80% of the time...the times it doesn't go up, wait 30 seconds, and then try again, and it always finishes the long trek to being closed...I think it's getting hot and tripping a circuit breaker or something...

    the driver's door itself clunks when closing, the lower hinge pin is loose, if I replace that, the door will close perfect, so consider that fixed as soon as I can drop by a Buick dealer or junkyard and pick up another hinge pin...

    the transmission shifts perfectly BUT when the car is ice cold (and outside temp under 50 or so)I get a two second delayed engagement to drive...

    engine has a light tick when very cold, it is the 2.2L 4-cylinder from the Cavalier...

    anyway, you Honda people probably don't care to know all this, but 230K cars are a unique category and there are plenty of cars out there with 230K on them that look, feel, and drive like new...and amazingly my Buick which my Dad bought new in 1995 has made it that far and I fully expect to hit 300-350K before making any repairs outside of normal wear items...

    I will concur with the other poster about checking the EGR system in that '87 Accord...
  • bburton3bburton3 Member Posts: 185
    Miles on their vehicles - assuming they are not spending piles of money to keep the vehicle going - are winning the car game. Never ceases to amaze me when I see people trading cars when they want a new one or are getting tired of their old vehicle. But hey this is a free country and we are all free to waste money on what ever we want-at least someone else can get benefit from barely used cars.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Had the excellent 3800 V-6 in it. That four banger wasn't really known for great reliability.

    You never know...I've seen a lot of cars with known reliability problems last a long time.
  • mps22mps22 Member Posts: 4
    What's the difference? Why did Honda not put one or the other in both 4 and 6 cylinder models? And, should this be a concerning factor when I make my choice between the 2? I appreciate your advice.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    It never fails to amaze me what a big deal some people make out of this.

    On recent Hondas, it's reccommended that the timing belt be replaced at 105,000 miles.

    Timing chains do not require replacement however, they can and do wear too given enough miles.

    They also have tensioners that can wear out. I guess time will tell with Hondas since only the very recent four cylinders have chains.

    Certainly, in my opinion, not a reason to pick one engine over the other.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    And i know it won't with me. Even my LS400(122,000k) and GS300(149,000k) spend time in the upper 80% of the rev band. How many people with an LS400 would go there? But then again it may be good for the car to be pushed every now anfd then. Only time will tell.
  • tblazer503tblazer503 Member Posts: 620
    I wouldn't worry about it too much. after 100k you "should" change the timing belt. I usually don't like changing them after 90 personally, and usually do it at 80-90k. Pretty spendy, anywhere from 300-1k depending on what gets changed, etc. Timing chains are generally louder than belts and are a little more robust. I don't think that honda has used timing belts in any of their engines and they may be piloting it on the 2.4L.
  • randyfrischrandyfrisch Member Posts: 9
    I know that the '03+ Accords are designed to have a more taught, sport feel, but my '03 Accord LX, A/T, 4cyl has had a steering wheel vibration at highway speeds (65-80mph)since the day I drove it off the lot. The steering wheel can be seen/felt vibrating/moving side-to-side. I didn't notice it during the test drive, because I didn't drive above 45-50mph (too slow for the vibration to be apparent). I've had it in to several Honda dealerships on more than 8 occasions, and they've tried everything from balancing the tires (even road-force balancing), replacing the pads and rotors, and even swapping tired off of another accord... but the vibration persists. American Honda, Inc. has finally told me that this "...vibration is (and I quote) "A normal characteristic of the '03 Accord." NO BS!! I've driven all other models of the '04 Accord, from LX 4cyl 5spd, to EX 6cyl A/T, and it seems that they all vibrate slightly, but mine is so severe to the point that it really gets to me. Gripping the steering wheel tightly with both hands seems to quell most of the vibration/movement, but it is ever present at the above-mentioned speeds. Try this: when traveling ~75mph, grip the steering wheel on top with ONLY one hand, then loosen and tighten your grip repeatedly (I know this sounds funny, but trust me). See if you notice the vibration. It's not like the steering wheel is flopping about obtrusively, but you should feel a consistent vibration which is NOT from the "road feel". PLEEEEAAse let me know if you have this same characteristic (defect), as I'm now initiating a BBB arbitration against Honda for a buyback. Please send only helpful e-mails to: randyfrisch@yahoo.com
  • pj23pj23 Member Posts: 158
    Sorry to hear about the problem with your Accord. It's unfortunate that Honda and/or your dealer have not isolated the problem. However, I don't think anyone else here has ever complaind of such a problem, so I'm not sure how we're going to "unite" with you.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    I've run both our Accords up to the speed governor and they are rock steady. I haven't had the experience you speak of.
  • gbriankgbriank Member Posts: 220
    Do you have the Turanza EL42's? Acura is having problems with that tire on the 2004 TL. You might want to bring it by a Bridgestone dealer and have them check it out. If buyback doesn't work, try replacing the tires. The Turanza LS-Z's are supposed to be very good and don't have the vibration problem (or flat spots like the EL42's are getting on the TL's).
  • john284john284 Member Posts: 71
    yes I could only set the ventilation to recirculating, any fresh air setting will lead to acrid air in the cabin, really bothersome
  • tblazer503tblazer503 Member Posts: 620
    have you had your tires inspected/balanced/rotated yet? just curious.
  • anselmo1anselmo1 Member Posts: 163
    The vibration you are feeling is a balancing problem. Make sure that there are weights on the inside as well as the outside rim.
    Go to a tire expert that knows how to balance tires. You never mentioned the make of the tire?
  • ovp66223ovp66223 Member Posts: 8
    Reply to #2752 by RandyFrisch

    I had a similar issue with my old '85 VW GTI that I had to live with for years. The steering vibrations were not because of out of balance wheels, or alignment, but due to bent rims from hitting a speed bump to fast/hard (I didn't even see this one till just before hitting it). The bent wheels caused vibrations in steering that grew with speed, so it meets your high-speed criteria.

    So if service centers have already balanced and aligned, then have the wheels checked for ever-so-slight out of round conditions.

    Also, a loose stabilizer bar or bad bushings holding the bar can cause low speed vibrations(old Mazda pickup had horrible vibrations when braking, and it wasn't the brakes or wheels, the rubber grommet/bushings were missing, so stabilizer bar shuddered bad when braking). It might also cause high-speed troubles, though I have not observed any personally...just items to have checked if u r getting nowhere quick.
  • ovp66223ovp66223 Member Posts: 8
    If you live in or near any half-way decent size city, then you will have to abide by the Severe maintenance schedule (Atlanta and Kansas City are both in that category).

    If you are in Severe conditions area then the oil change intervals for your warranty to remain valid (on the engine anyway) are as follows:

    3,750 miles
    7,500 miles
    11,250 miles
    15,000 miles
    ...and every 3,750 miles (at least until your warranty expires I would follow this to the letter).

    Just wanted to point this out. The 4-cyclinder actually has longe intervals which gets up to 10,000 miles under NORMAL (not SEVERE) conditions.

    Here is Honda owners page (I registered my car) take:

    Severe
    Follow the "severe" schedule only if you drive in one or more of these conditions most of the time:

     Trips of less than 5 miles (less than 10 in freezing weather)
     Extremely hot weather (over 90 degrees F)
     Extensive idling or stop-and-go driving
     Trailer towing, car-top carrier, or mountain driving
     Muddy, dusty, or de-iced roads

    Normal
    The "normal" schedule is fine for most drivers, even if they occasionally drive in severe conditions.

    ---> The "Extensive idling or stop-and-go driving" condition above applies to most of us urban and suburbanites...so be sure you are right if you wait 7,500 miles before each change.

    Consequently, my oil looks pretty dark and I have only been about 3,200 miles since last change...so if I waited till 7,500, it would be dark black water basically and no longer lubricating or cooling properly (if the oil is dark and/or of watery consistency, and you don't change it, then you will be adding a quart of oil at every gas fill-up well before 100,000 miles, and emitting bluish-grey exhaust...;^)
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    my car has about 7000 miles on it. my dealer WILL NOT change my oil until 7500. i have 03-V6. they say prolonging the first oil change to at least 7500 is the smartest thing to do. something about Honda racing technology in the engines and special oils/additives, etc.

    who knows anymore. i figure, i never keep my cars long, so if it blows up, it blows up.
  • whitecloudwhitecloud Member Posts: 29
    justin,

    Do it their way first. It's been no problem with
    my '98 4 cyl with 79K so far. The car burns 1/2 Qt over 3500 miles. It's hard to believe but that's what they told me in '98. I went back at 7000. It must work. They're saying the same thing in 2004.
  • emaleemale Member Posts: 1,380
    hummm...my '03 v6 doesn't burn any oil in 4k worth of driving....and i had my first oil change at about 3500 miles. car now has 12k miles...
  • chucko3chucko3 Member Posts: 793
    My first oil change for my 89 Accord at 1500.
    Just wanted to get all elements out after a break-in period.
    At 196K the car still hasn't burnt any oil yet.
    I did use Slick 50 a couple times, at around 36K & 60K.
  • ovp66223ovp66223 Member Posts: 8
    True, Honda now has special "break-in" oil that should NOT be changed early (this runs contrary to what we have grown accustomed to, but true now).

    So if you are under "NORMAL" maintenance intervals for 03-04 V6's then that would be no earlier than 7,500 miles. Every change after should be at 7,500 intervals (unless you are rich and don't care about your warranty being valid).

    However, MOST of us (almost all urban and suburban areas in the U.S.) are to adhere to the "SEVERE" maintenance intervals and should NOT have their first oil change until on or after 3,750 miles. Every change after should be at 3,750 intervals (unless you are rich and don't care about your warranty being valid).

    Now, here comes the part which many do not grasp. Check your oil, visually inspecting not only the LEVEL of the oil, but the appearance of the oil. If the oil is VERY dark then have it changed sooner rather than later (even if it has only been 1,000 miles) because it no longer has the properties that enable it to lubricate and cool the engine (the oil plays a vital role in cooling the engine, just as important as the radiator and hose system with water and coolant/anti-freeze).

    Use common sense. If oil looks like new (looks like clover honey) at 5,000 miles then you can go on with it for probably another 5k or so, but keep checking.
  • tlaurotlauro Member Posts: 504
    I resolved many of the unexpected creaks and what not on my accord. The headliner one you described....you'll think I'm crazy, but since I'm not familiar or brave enough to discover how the headliner is removed, I simply removed the sun visor clip...twist and pull. Then stuffed basically 1/2 roll of shop towels up there wedging the liner so that it doesn't flex. Especially towards the front and near the sun visors. It's been fine since.
  • whitecloudwhitecloud Member Posts: 29
    Emale,

    What's your point? You shouldn't be burning oil at all.
  • lelandhendrixlelandhendrix Member Posts: 240
    Maybe he was talking about a bit of consumption of just the break-in oil? I certainly hope so, because coil consumption is not normal in the LEAST!

    Like I've said in another thread, this is my third honda, and my oldest got up to 280K miles and burned not a DRIP of oil even at that age.
  • whitecloudwhitecloud Member Posts: 29
    Thanks for your input lelandh.. To clarify, I do a lot of hi-speed in my 4 cyl. Fact is I was trying to acknowledge that I sometimes have to add
    oil. Never a quart between changes and no blue smoke ever. My experience too, for any new Honda owners is that you never check the oil until the car has been sitting for hours on level ground. It seems that even a slight incline can throw the reading off and cause one to believe that they've used oil.
  • whitecloudwhitecloud Member Posts: 29
    I was thinking that since oil is part of the discussion, what you all think about the 5-W-20
    in the '03 V6. Is that not the lightest oil you've heard of being recommended for a vehicle?
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    How do you know you don't burn any oil? I have 7000 miles on my 03 Civic Si and I had to add a quart on the way to my 10,000 first change. I have no problem with that as I used to change at 7500 miles. My Civic also runs over 4000 rpm at 80mph. I may have needed a quart at 7500 miles in my previous cars but I was changing the oil at that time so it didn't matter.

    Our 04 Accord just had it's first change at 9500 miles. No oil added or needed. Guess 2300rpm cruising makes a difference.

    Those of you saying you change you oil every 3500 miles can't say that you burn any less oil than those that go to 10,000 miles because you have no experience.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    I thought it was unusual until I talked to a friend who just bought a 2003 Mustang GT. That car, with a V8, also calls for 5W-20.
  • lelandhendrixlelandhendrix Member Posts: 240
    Let's say that I don't burn a *significant* amount of oil. By that I mean that after 5000 miles I cannot discren that the level has changed at all.

    This is even the case with my Civic that had 280K
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