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My limited is a piece of junk and Toyota's blatant refusal to acknowledge these problems is mind boggling. They obviously aren't concerned how many people are injured or killed. But then of course you probably don't consider the brakes and steering locking up a safety issue either.
Leighanne, I agree that the problems you are experiencing compromise your safety and I wish you the best of luck in getting your problems resolved. I am sure you have tried every avenue to get your problems taken care of, but don't give up. I read recently that state offices of the Attorney General pursue matters like this, so you may want to file a report with your state office. Have you filed with NHTSA and Center for Autosafety yet?
It allows you to roll down your windows when it rains and snows.
Wind noise, NO, it won't cut down the wind noise. Visabilty, it does block a little from the passenger's side mirror but just a little bit from the top corner. (HL has a big side mirror, it doesn't affect the visability at all from my opinion)
By the way, don't pay $100 for it. I got mine NEW from eBay for now $45.00 (set of 4)
It looks nice too from the outside.
One might have better luck with the latter sites, although they probably won't act on just a few isolated complaints.
Wish you well.
I quote from an archived MSN review of the 2001 Highlander: "Occasional problems on this vehicle are failures of the Engine. Failure of the Engine is caused because the engine oil gels. Engine oil gelling will also cause excessive engine oil usage. When proper maintenance schedules for oil changes are followed, oil gelling should not occur. Toyota has issued an 8 year unlimited mileage goodwill repair for this eventuality."
Changing oil at proper and sensible intervals avoids oil gelling. This issue was discussed at length in many forums, including here in Edmunds, and the general consensus was (a) The problem was indeed "occasional", if not rare; and (b) Those who adhered to reasonable maintenance didn't experience the problem. Even though the issue has long since passed into oblivion, there are still a few diehard gelling evangelists around who insist it was unique to Toyota and an inherent design flaw, but history proved this wrong. It's pretty much a dead issue now. I haven't seen much substantive discussion about it for the past year or so.
The problem existed because Toyota stated in the manual that oil changes were to be performed at 7,000 mile intervals. Many people tend to allow the time frame to go beyond the limits stated and the gelling situation was created.
Today, Toyota is telling us not to exceed 5,000 miles between oil changes.
The letter that Toyota send to owners of the vehicles equipped with the engines subject to Gelling, did not address the issue of re-scheduling regular oil changes in any way or manner.
What it did say was that Toyota was making a design change in the engine block to prevent further occurrances. I'm sure you can check with Toyota to see if your engine is subject to the problem.
My 99 Porsche 911 had a schedule for oil and filter change at 15,000 miles, as does my 01 C4, and now I hear that Porsche has extended the mileage to 20,000 miles.
To my knowledge and belief there has been no official notification from Toyota or Lexus indicating that oil changes must be made more often than the owner's manual designates.
And you can bet your bottom dollar that if there was such a need you would be getting notifications from Toyota since I rather doubt that they like giving folks new engines.
My car is 4 mo old and has around 2800 miles on it and I have never really noticed this before.
Has anyone ever experienced this before? If so, how might I deal with it?
So far they have adjusted the shifter cable, with; of course, no result. It seems like they just want to work on what's easy to reach, rather than really try to fix the problem. I wonder if I brought them a flat tire, would they try Armor All? I think there must be a loose electrical contact, either in the shifter assembly, or in the dash indicator light assembly. Obviously these are a little harder to tear into and look at. I'm curious what the best attack plan at the dealership is:
1. Play stupid
2. Be aggressive
3. Overwhelm them with techno/geekspeak
4. Overwhelm them with legalese/threateningese speak
5. Hang out in the showroom, loudly lamenting the poor service department treatment
6. Send the wife to showroom to sob uncontrollably (this has worked well in the past)
Any suggestions appreciated.
That's the "feel" of ABS and/or Trac, and or VSC.
Brakes by applied and released as fast as the mechanism can work.
http://www.pittsburghpostgazette.com/pg/04345/424551.stm
Thanks for the heads up Scoti. Perhaps this will put people's minds at ease.
You wouldn't have to be very sensitive to notice that.
I haven't experienced any hesitation either, but it doesn't seem like only those with hypochondriacal attitudes toward their cars would notice if they did have it.
P.S. -- Not sure if "hypochondriacal" is a word, but you probably know what I mean.
Current models of Toyota engines have VVT-I or Variable Valve Timing with Intelligence. This computer controlled system varies the "breathing" of the engine to maximize emission efficiency, power and fuel economy in every situation of vehicle operation.
The transmissions on all Toyotas are computer controlled with many variables taken into consideration; like emissions, economy, power (shifting points) and the driving characteristics of the driver and the way the car is used. It actually learns the way the operator drives, i.e. soft footed or heavy footed, to be responsive to the demands placed upon it. It's cool. It takes a little while to "learn" this perfectly and it re learns if another driver takes over.
If it ever hesitates, it will stop when it learns what you want and that'll be the end of it.
It is one of the finest transmissions in the entire world.
There may be others. But you are right. Toyota has no V4. Seems to be a common mistake these days.
For those experiencing hesitation, it doesn't seem as though their HL's have "learned" to stop doing it.
Perhaps it's time to bring back the old Catholic school ruler on the knuckles? What would be the the HL equivalent of knuckles?
I'm not mocking the hesitation issue, just the idea that the owners themselves would come up with a solution for it.
Mine hesitates and currently it has 13,550 miles on it. Obviously there's not enough miles for it to learn. So how many more miles do I need to drive before it learns. So how many more miles do I need to drive before Toyota and other ppl will stop staying the transmission is able to learn driving habits. Toyota designed and made the car, engine, and transmission. They must have a definite answer to my questions. Same for those who keep saying the transmission will learn.
Can some computer programmers out there tell me how easy it is to write a computer program that learns somebody's driving habit, and at the same time able to tell a when different driver is driving the car. How many different conditions you need to incorporate into the program? Does it seem like an easy job?
I also think this hesitation issue is overblown, and being represented out of proportion with reality by some.
Just kidding.
Thanks
If only there were more problems with the HL. Then maybe we'd spend less time talking about hesitation.
"Toyota engineers are working to find an acceptable fix for a hesitation problem in five-speed automatic transmissions in certain of its luxury Lexus and Toyota models, the Japanese automaker said yesterday."
I have a couple of questions for you if you don't mind. First, Is it your objective to continually remind us of Toyota's faults, and Second, If so, why are you doing this?
Someone said earlier that it might better serve reader interest if posts here were constructive. This seems to make sense, wouldn't you agree?
G'day
Without being able to “see” the problem ( can't "duplicate the condition” ), the dealer/service really doesn’t have a choice but to use trial-and-error approach. And certainly they would try the simplest things first. So, I’d suggest you just keep coming back. Be patient as it could take several visits to finally eliminate the problem. The somewhat comforting thing is that this problem, - although irritating, - is not dangerous. Give them (the dealer) a chance and time to work with you – they would take care of it eventually. And, BTW, they should continue working on this problem (if needed) UNDER THE WARRANTY even after 3yrs/36K miles, because you’ve reported it during the original warranty period. Good luck!
I wonder if I went back and looked if I would find the very same group of naysayers then as I see now.
pilot130...were you one??
different drivers in a family, or
one main driver who could drive very slowly for weeks then really need some power.
what would the transmisssion do then?
i own a 04 HL purchased may 04
only prob has been front end aligned bad to eat up outsides of tires
dealer not good at fixing it
There was a lot of politicized rhetoric about sludge being bantied about then, mostly by a small group of self styled advocates led by someone called Charlene Blake. She was all innuendo, speculation, and emotional rhetoric, with little or no fact to back up anything she said. Eventually she got banned too, as did a few others who carried the torch afterwards.
I, like many, was there only to learn, and try to get at the truth about the sludge controversy. Until those characters left, any resemblance to truth about the issue was purely coincidental!! All we ever heard from those guys was something akin to "Live to sue and sue to live" propaganda.
Having said all that, didn't you suggest earlier that the topic of sludge wasn't up to your level of interest, or that you had "grown weary" hearing about it? Must have had a change of heart!
My sincere apologies if you found that observation not to your liking.
As I said then, if Toyota or Lexus thought that the vehicles need earlier or shorter term scheduled maintainance than what the factory defined in the owner's manual they would not be shy about getting the word out to the owners.
So far the only instances I have seen about requiring oil and filter changes on a shorter term basis is here in various postings and from the dealers, who are obviously not to be trusted as a sole source for this type of information.
"I did a 30,000 mile service on an 03 X-type 2.5 this morning... and
when I went to drain the oil I setup the drain bucket away from me and stood in
front of it so not to get any oil spattered on me as usual... but to my supprise
not a single drop! of oil came out of this car... I couldn't beleive it... I got
only about 1/2 quart out of the filter... upon checking the records on the car,
its last oil change was at 9,xxx miles... she now has 35,000 + miles on the
car!! Best...(or worst) of all.. the little oil change reminder sticker reading
next service due @ 13,000 miles is still in plain view!!
I have no idea how this car is still running..oil just doesn't vanish.. so it
had to have had a couple thousand miles on it or so at least with no oil in
it...heh, it doesn't even tick or knock!! I am sure that there will be some
long term issues from this... but I just got back from a 10 mile test drive
listening for a noise and it didn't skip a beat.
Turns out she is leasing the car.. figures.. I don't think I'd ever knowingly
buy a lease return car... just had to share this.. perhaps if you haven't
checked your oil lately... this could be your reminder to do so... ;-D
"Hoyt said he believed that only drivers who were unusually sensitive to their cars' shifts and performance would notice the hesitation."
Hoyt, I'd rather call you guys insensitive.
Landdriver had a great point about the HL...if there were more problems less time would be spent on the hesitation problem. How true. My 04 V6 AWD is an outstanding car but for the one problem.
The learning curve of the transmission appears to be neither steep nor consistent. The hesitation still occurs, but infrequently. If it happened all the time I'd almost feel better about it. If it never happens to Desertguy, I'd be more inclined to believe it's a defect rather than a "normal characteristic" of the transmission. If there were actually drivers out there so insensitive to their cars' idiosyncrasies that they didn't notice the hesitation, I'd hesitate to drive in the same area as those drivers.
But hey, it looks like there's some movement by Toyota on the problem, at least according to the article referenced here recently. That's good news, right?
Let's hope Santa gives us a hesitation fix in our stockings this Christmas.
Remember how Toyota claims its engine never has the oild sludge problem. Now it admits the hesitation problem only after being pressed.
The only way we can do as customer is to speak out loudly and switch brands if necessary.
I actually had the crazy thought shortly after I bought the HL of modifying the electronically controlled transmission so that it could be shifted "manually" (bypass the computer and energize the solenoids directly that control the gear the transmission is in). But then came to my senses as this would not be a trivial endeavor, not to mention potentially dangerous if something went wrong at high speed. (I prefer a manual transmission -- would have gotten one if it had been available on the HL.)
To manufacture something like this usually means that you're going to make hundreds of thousands of them - and the most expensive components, like the Processor, are picked to be "adequately" speedy - faster ones cost too much. But it seems it's not speedy enough for the "worst-case" scenario of a turning steering wheel, while wheel slip is detected, the yaw detector is saying that the vehicle is turning fast, all while the throttle mashed to the floor. So, what can be done? I don't think Toyota is going to upgrade all the Processors out there - so I'm guessing that they're scrambling their software guys to find ways to make the executable program more "efficient", without making it less "safe". Maybe they can do it - I'm sure they can make it "better". But man, there's a lot of vehicles out there with this problem - it's going to be expensive. But I too long for the days when we had pretty bullet-proof hydraulic transmissions, and you'd learn to work them - not the other way around.
Has anyone had this experience? Do you have any suggestions? I almost wish I had never agreed to having one installed.
The other day, I had to change lanes and punch it, as traffic was closing in on me and for a split second it hesitated. But just a split second later, my engine seemed to explode in a surge of raw power that would have made me forget about the tiny hesitation, if I had not been participating in this forum.
Wow, what a car; loaded for just $26K. Best value in the world.
So don't blame the aftermarket install. I put a factory wind deflector on mine and it reduced the sound by a good 75%. If you do that, you will be happier. Make sure the factory deflector will fit your opening.
This hesitation issue being bantied about is an uncommon one, in that it apparently happens in just a few instances. Futhermore, if it is happening appears to be happening randomly. I would suggest it may have more to do with driving habits than anything else. I truly believe some complaints we see here may be overstated. Claims of two and three second delays aren't realistic IMO. Further,categorizing it as "life threatening" issue is way over the top, IMO.
If there is "hesitation" under full throttle application, I suggest it would more likely be closer to the split second variety desribed by Marko. That might be more typical of microprocessor controlled drivelines in most vehicles being manufactured these days.
At any rate, I understand Toyota is addressing the issue, and there may or may not be a recognition of the issue, and if deemed necessary, a remedy may be forthcoming.
However, I don't think it's fair or even realistic to judge the situation (or condemn the manufacturer) one way or the other at this point.
At the end of the day, there are certainly a lot more important things to concern ourselves about, right?
Thanks again you two.