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plus dest. charge. You have to move up to the G35
w/ leather (list $29,500)and then add the extra $500. There will be no discounting this car for at least the first 3-6 months. The least expensive
car I have seen ordered is $31,175. Good luck in doing better.
There are some G35's with MSRP's of $31,395 coming in.
1) Aero Package, Power Sunroof
or,
2) Winter Package, Power Sunroof, Bose audio
Have you actually ordered a car with the Sports Susp. Pkg. and was forced to take the Aero Pkg. by the dealer? If not, how do you know for sure?
In response to a few posts I must say we were driving PT2 cars. They were not spec'd like production cars.
1) The speeds were at short bursts-maybe 1/2 mile. Was interested in road/wind noise and handling dynamics more than engine rpm.
2) The two cars we drove were a premium and an Aero with Navi. Both very smooth, in cornering there was a noticable difference. On freeway joint lines the suspension did not transmit harshness to the cabin with either suspension. The sport pack(aero in Canada)was a little firmer in the corners and over driveway joints,overall I would describe neither as harsh.
3) There is definitely a coupe coming out in the summer. Look for it at the New York Autoshow. Have seen the clay model mockup pix. Absolutely stunning, call it an Infiniti version of the 350z. Much smoother lines and it will be a 2+2.
my question is, will Infiniti hold some sort of driving Exhibit where we can compare the G35, 330i, IS300, C320, A4, TL-S... ???
Because Lexus, BMW, and Mercedes all have these types of driving events open for the public for their NEW models so you can compare them.
Any ideas?
Kevin
I believe the bits at the rear of the car will be the only ones included in the aero package - so no front or side air dams.
1) everyone seems to be engaged in a massive pissing contest.
2) All of your arguments are based on speculation, not real tests, so why not just wait a month or two for the real tests to come out instead of comparing foreign cars with different transmisions, dont argue, just wait.
3) People seem overly concerened with manual and auto transmissions, sort of like in junior high. If you want an auto buy one, if you want a manual buy one.
4) these are just my thoughts as an observer, if you disagree, thats fine, I only thought Id tell you what I see.
---finally I like the G35 but the interior looks a little strange, the clock throws me off.
But Infiniti is relatively small, so I'd be surprised (pleasantly, of course) if they hosted such an event.
-juice
-juice
Don't you mean that she might actually let YOU buy it. ;-)
I have attended the BMW Drving Event, and was invited to the Lexus event (did not attend - never was interested in the IS300). The BMW one was a lot of fun.
I too would be definitely interested and pleasantly surprised if Infiniti did something like that for the G35.
BTW, I also went to a Saab event a couple of years ago where I was allowed to drive a 9-3 Viggen convertible and a 9-5 Aero through the beautiful Presidio in San Francisco. It was well worth it since the drives convinced me I will never buy a Saab!
Edmunds Live had and automatic IS300 and BMW 325i, and I actually prefered the IS. Keep in mind both were stick, and it was 170hp back then, coupled to an automatic. Plus it was the year where BMW put the too-light steering on their cars.
-juice
http://auto.ascii24.com/auto24/issue/2002/0213/29niv_kt9999_29.html
I like the lighter blue better than the darker Twilight Blue so I wish Infiniti would offer it here in the U.S. as well. Maybe if I'm lucky they'll offer it on the 6-speed manual only as a special limited edition color, just like they offer the limited production bright Maui Blue on the sports edition 2002 G20s.
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I actually prefer a darker blue that IS coming on the G35 than this lighter blue.
When I first saw these shots on Auto Ascii, I was so disappointed. I think the G35 looks much better in the darker colors.
So now I have a new mission in life to educate people that behind the Lexus facade weasels flourish. They only care about $$ and they don't care about you. I would have got better treatment at McDonalds if I took a hamburger back two months after I bought it and said I didn't like it.
If I can convince one person who reads this not to buy a Lexus then my mission is a success I can live the rest of my life in peace.
Tell all your friends and neighbors.
2. For the person who said "the Altima handled as well as the M3 in the slalom" or something to that effect. You're kidding, right? The Altima has quite a bit of body roll and nothing near the road feel of any BMW. Nice $25,000 car, but it's no M3. There's more to handling than timed runs, anyway.
3. Bad seamwork is a reason to prefer a Cadillac to an Infiniti? This was a pre-production model, so it doesn't even matter, but I think I'd prefer some crooked seams on backs of seats to teh myriad of substantial problems Cadillacs seem to have.
4. The reason they don't offer cloth seat models with sunroofs and sport packages is that it's not a common selection in this price range. For most users, leather is a good investment that you'll recoup on resale. If your dogs are scratching it, just put down a blanket (or ask your vet about tranquilizers). Packaging options in terms of "requiring" them on some models probably results in lower costs overall. This "packaging" makes less sense on the lower priced Maxima, where if you want side airbags you might wind up with a sunroof, leather, a bose stereo, meridian package, and a $4000 higher price tag. On a $30K car, I think it's more understandable.
5. I'm hearing a lot of "complaints" about some pretty minor things on this car. I would question just how many of these people have owned luxury cars before. They're nice, but sometimes they become expensive and troublesome burdens. What do you expect for just over $30,000? It sounds like Infiniti is delivering BMW like performance, Japanese reliability, decent styling, reasonable passenger space, top notch safety features, a little luxury, quality dealers, and a great warranty.
(When my wife lets me ) I drive a '98 BMW 540i 6 speed sport, so I think I have a pretty darn good benchmark to compare it against. . Is it better than a G35? Probably. Except for the reliability, cost of ownership, and harrassment from other drivers we occasionally have to deal with because of the BMW "image". Is it worth DOUBLE the price? Not to me it isn't. For $32,000 I can drive off in a nice new G35 with leather and sport package. For the same price, you can buy a smaller, much slower, less reliable, quasi-stripped BMW 325i sedan with a shorter warranty. So I don't mind a bad angle here or there, or a seam. I'd rather not be worrying about my car all the time, especially if I can get nearly the speed and handling and luxury, and have enough left over each year for a couple of vacation trips or (gasp) even savings. This is our 2nd 540i, so spare me the posts from loyal BMW owners with nary a problem, ever. I've already heard from both of you. Only someone who hasn't owned an expensive but unreliable car would know how annoying that can be.
6. The G35 is a sport sedan. Not a sports car. Very few cars can pull that kind of performance off(see above example). I'm amused at how many people are expecting so much out of this car. I think it's a fantastic value if it turns out to be comfortable and drives like the first previews have hinted at.
My 2001 Tahoe was devalued because of all the $2002 rebates Chevy offered just months after I got mine. Should I sue?
That said, we found the IS 300 laughably overpriced when equipped with real leather seats. Cheap interior, small, civic-like styling(fine on a civic, not so hot on a $34,000 car), and the distinct impression that this is a Toyota rebadged in order to charge $5000 more for the name.
Inflated expectations brings out the critic in all of us. I paid more so I expected more. [and rightfully so] Sure - the 'fancy' cars I've owned WERE put together beautifully - but I would have enjoyed them more IF I could have convinced my self that I got my money's worth.
Now I [also] own a Jeep TJ Sport. [a Canadian 'Wrangler'] What I like about the 'TJ' is that I can go to a movie and NOT worry [so much] about what someone MIGHT do to it. [like scratch it on purpose or steal it or whatever] I love my NSX [as you already know] but I would NEVER park it in a Wal-Mart parking lot and go shopping. Cars like the G35 interest me because I can [probably] get about 90% of what a car costing twice as much would 'give' me and I could STILL feel 'OK' about parking IT somewhere. [like a 'Home Depot' parking lot - or whatever] One of the greatest luxury's in life is NOT having to worry. That particular 'luxury' [oddly enough] does NOT come with a 'luxury' car.
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(Gandhi *ducks* for the ineveitable barbs and flames that will be directed his way)
The car is a drivers car but not a little boy toy. Does it compete well against the 3-series and A4? I think so and buyers will let Infiniti know if it does. When competing against a benchmark like the 3 series you have to have everything perfect,this car is close. It will compete with the 3 better than the IS300.
-juice
http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=14;t=000664
YMMV.
-juice
(Here we go - back to the tail light debate)
I don't think BMW should be the benchmark for design, not even close. Their 7 series is just hideous.
Infiniti should set trends, not follow. The L-shape is poorly executed. The gatlin gun lights look nice and are distinctive. It should be the corporate look - put it on all Infinitis. I'm serious. Give Infiniti an identity. You see gatlins, you know what it is.
-juice
-juice