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Oil Filters, whose is best, and Why?

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  • wtd44wtd44 Posts: 1,211
    You're behind the power curve!:^)
    You should do some archive reading in this thread. What you want to know is likely in it. NAPA sells Wix filters as the Gold and Silver lines, probably like the Blue and Red lines you specified. NAPA counters often have cut away displays of several filters of several brands.
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    Here's the famous MOPAR study. This is why I say ABF (anything but Fram).


    http://members.nbci.com/minimopar/oilfilterstudy.html

  • armtdmarmtdm Posts: 2,057
    on dislplay because anything out there beats a Fram. I have seen numerous displays or "Our filter and the leading competition"cut open and shown side by side Leading competition is always a Fram so that the filter being pushed by the parts store always looks great by comparison.
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    I notice that Wal-Mart (Super-Tech) filters talk about 40% (or something) more filtering capacity than leading filter. The test is always run by Champion Labs which, if I remember right, has used the same verbage on all of their filters at one time or another. Saw a similar claim on the more expensive Fram filter, here they must have been comparing to their base line.
  • adc100adc100 Posts: 1,521
    And their Single and multi-pass efficiencies are 98% and 94%. That compares to 98/96 for Mobil 1 and Pure One. I was wondering whar Amsoil Filters are???.


    Check this out:


    http://www.pureoil.com/faq.htm


     AC's are 33% efficient on multipass whoooaaa. Not even as good as Fram.


    Also noticed now that Pure one is now 99.7% efficient on single pass. Box says 98%

  • rcarbonircarboni Posts: 290
    ... at what micron size is the 98% efficiency rated? You notice they say after that the efficiency at 10 microns is 86%. Still very good. I have been using Pure One for a few years now, and analysis has always come back good.

    Funny though, that they song-and-dance their way around the extended drain question:

    "Can I go longer intervals between oil changes with PureONE?"
    It is recommended that you change your oil every 3,000 miles, or according to the owner's manual. The PureONE filter is designed to give you optimum protection over the life of your oil change.
  • adc100adc100 Posts: 1,521
    My well thought post went away....grrrrrrrrr

    Anyway yes 3000 mile cop out. They are up front with their ratings though. Probably because they fell they are the best. Probably a toss-up between them and Mobil 1. I use both.

    Don't knot what the microns are for those tests. Maybe someone knows the particulars. It's in accordance with the specific SAE test specification (I know that helps you alot!!) If I don't get caught tonight with a gin and tonic- I'll check.
  • armtdmarmtdm Posts: 2,057
    I use Pure One on one car, change the oil once a year and filter at 6 months but car only puts on 8-10,000/year. I use Amsoil filters for all other cars but for some reason the Amsoil filter on this one car leaks at the gasket, tried a few times with different filter but it leaks. So Pure One is it works great analysis fine.

    Not sure of Amsoil filter ratings. they are made by Baldwin who owns Hastings. Actually Baldwin purchased Hastings several years ago but kept the name for the reputation and marketing of filters. Amsoil says that theirs are made by Hastings but after several discussions with Baldwin they admit to being the same company. Also, Baldwin makes multiple different brand name filters under different specifications (as does Champion etc) but they refuse to discuss which they feel are the best!
  • mrdetailermrdetailer Posts: 1,118
    Didn't list Mobile One filter. Is it just as good? Possibly better? Deliberate oversight?

    But with that comparison I clearly will not use the New Fram ex/2 filter. I was at least considering it.
  • adc100adc100 Posts: 1,521
    Mobil 1 uses the fiberglass media either as a layer around the paper or by itself. I can't really tell.Fiberglass is a much better filter media.
  • edwardh5edwardh5 Posts: 130
    who makes the wal mart super tech filter??

    Champion?
  • wtd44wtd44 Posts: 1,211
    The Waldomart boxes at least imply that Champion is the maker. I hope it is true. Champion makes very good filters for people who change their oil frequently, so the "research" would indicate.
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    Went to Wal-Mart and compared the AC-Delco filter for my Elantra with a Super Tech. The AC-Delco appeared identical, down to the tell-tale one large perimiter hole that the Tech 2000 had. The independent filter studies indicate that this is one way to always tell a Champion Labs filter. Does Champion crank 'em out for AC-Delco? Maybe only for the odd brand or non-GM cars?
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    and they said that the telltale sign for an AC-Delco filter is five large (equal sized from the looks of it) holes. Sure the filter I saw had six with one larger. My hypothesis is that AC-Delco makes the most popular sizes of filter and rounds off the line with others which are made by Champion Labs.
  • gasguzzgasguzz Posts: 214
    I've made the same comparison between the diff brands on our car applications. Yes, there are several instances where the end caps/construction are identical between the brands. That tells me that the Mopar article subjects a specific filter, and it's particular manufacturer. So, does a specific brand stick to a particular maker across the board (?) - I don't think so. However, there are discussions here and elsewhere that makers may conform to specs required by the brand-name. Or, the Walmart filter may be of a quality manufacturer but made to Walmart specs.
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    makes two filter lines at the most. They do tout their Lee Maxi filter as a premium and their Lee filter as OEM. If memory serves me right Bosch is also one of their premium lines and Deutsch a little lower quality. They seem to have gotten a hold of various brand names like Bosch and STP, even though they are not related to the primary manufacturer. Interesting licensing. I also see or used to see STP motor oil even though the STP/First Brands web page made no mention of the product. I suspect that brands like that have been passed around plenty over the years.

    I doubt if Wal-Mart writes a separate specification that is lower, it wouldn't make production sense. A company like Champion makes money by making as few changes as possible. Somewhere else (in the last day or two) I did read that Champion also manufactured for AC-Delco. Certainly the Super Tech and AC-Delco filters looked completely identical, although I was unable to cut one apart in the store :>

    I suspect that most of the private brands they sell whether Super Tech, STP or whatever are identical and the lower level line. You could check the boxes and see if they have the quality comparisons with Fram as far as filtering. For most uses, I suspect these filters are plenty good enough. At least they are all metal and not cardboard, something Champion Labs makes a big deal about on their web page.

    I'll continue to insist on Anything But Fram, even though the boobs at Wal-Mart often ignore me.
  • wtd44wtd44 Posts: 1,211
    Surely you are right on the "specifications" thing. If a brand name owner went to a filter manufacturer and made meaningful demands for specifications, the costs would likely be prohibitive for any distributor wanting to be competitive. Now, a brand that can command outrageous prices for a filter, as seems to be the case for Mobil 1, these rules of competition take on a new bent. I don't fall for the hoopla of Mobil 1 filters, or others of that ilk.
  • adc100adc100 Posts: 1,521
    is the same as AC. The Super Techs I saw had

    O-Rings seal. Also the efficiencies of AC apparrently is not very good (SuperTech is 98%/94% Single Pass/Multi-Pass.)


    http://www.pureoil.com/faq.htm


    Also, not arguing that Mobil1 isn't overpriced, but they do have the Fiberglass Media which is a depth filter vs Paper which is a surface media.

  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    "AC Delco Duraguard PF60
    This filter is very much like the Deutsch unit, which is similar to the Bosch filter (manufactured by Champion Laboratories). It has the Bosch cartridge design, but uses a different filter element (similar to other AC Delco elements). Like the Deutsch filter, the backplate has 8 round inlet holes with one larger than the others. The AC Delco catalog lists the PF56 as an equivalent filter, but I could not find it to test."

    So maybe there's not two different levels of Champion Labs filters after all if Deutsch and Bosch are the same. And, maybe AC Delco does specify a different filter medium, meaning that Champion Labs may make some, but not all of their filters. I still think that they might make GM filters themselves and farm the rest out to Champion Labs.

    I couldn't find any more references to the test quoted in the Pure 1 web page. It's interesting that they have the Fram filter listed as the second best, after their own.
  • gasguzzgasguzz Posts: 214
    Yes, Csand. My case in point is that my AC-Duraguard application have identical markings/construction with the Mobil-1 x-ref (apparently the diff is the filter media). So it is quite possible that the manufacturer may make one configuration among several brands, but I wouldn't take that as a given.
    I can also understand the marketing dynamics in how Champion can make a "Walmart" filter just by repainting it.
  • ocelot1ocelot1 Posts: 101
    I used pureone for about 5years before I found this new ACDelco filter I was impressed by there testing they reported. Its a all synthetic filter media With a steel mesh backing. www.acdelco.com I like pureone but I think I've experenced a couple of weak( anti drain back )valves, on occasional startups I here lifter noise.I use the chevron synthetic 0w-30 5w-30or 10w-30 which ever I have on hand. I would'nt mind some comments on their site?
  • armtdmarmtdm Posts: 2,057
    True, Champion may just repaint the same filter and sell it under STP or whatever but some manufacturers, like Baldwin, make the guts of the filter to specs and they will differ inside based upon the brand they are making them for. So, outside may look similar but unless you gut them open you will never know.
  • wtd44wtd44 Posts: 1,211
    WHOSE IS BEST, AND WHY--
    I nominate (hoping for pro/con discussion) the WALMART house brand filters, SUPER TECH, as a candidate. Reasons:
    1. Manufactured by one of the most reputable makers.
    2. Universal availability.
    3. Backed by an outstanding American retail chain.
    4. No bad publicity to mar acceptability.
    5. The prices make these filters a fine bargain.
    True, they may not be for everybody for every application, but overall, what is more optimal in value for the consumer?
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    from a number of sources. AutoZone sells the same thing as an STP at about the same price. Formerly AutoZone had Deutsch and Wal-Mart sold STP.

    If you like dino oil and don't want to change your own, Wal-Mart will do it with Tech2000 (Quaker State) for under $12. That's a pretty good deal. Only problem with that is that I constantly have to fight with 'em or they'll put a Fram filter on instead of a Tech 2000. Next time I'm going to put a big NO-FRAM sign up on the instrument panel.
  • adc100adc100 Posts: 1,521
    But their efficiencies are not as high as Pure 1 and Mobil 1. Mobil 1 is probably the best because they use Fiberglass media and apparently the construction is super heavy. Walmart might give you your money back if the thing destroyed your car. Probably it(Supertech) is the best value for the money. But I hate store brands because they can change suppliers and I really don't know what I am getting.Couple of bucks extra is a small price to pay for a top line oil filter. Again I'm not knocking it. You asked.
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    A small time parts chain was selling phony oil which failed to meet any kind of standards in counterfit bottles. Did the same with filters if I remember correctly (this was probably ten years ago.) Always thought at the time that at least a chain like Wal-Mart can be trusted to control their suppliers. This is another reason why I would trust a large gas retailer who doesn't refine (like QuikTrip) to a mom and pop gas station with a major brand. The more control in the supply chain the better. Besides who's going to counterfit a "SuperTech" box? Do agree that they can change suppliers on short notice. Think K-Mart's filters used to be Purolator, don't even know if they sell a separate Penske line anymore, don't think so. Primary problem would be if they started selling Fram. If Quaker State supplies oil as Tech2000 and Quaker State filters are Fram, this could happen if the bid to Wal-Mart was right.
  • wal mart is into "cheap", not necessarily best value.
    As a result I think they would change suppliers in a heartbeat.
    try writing their national HQ about a problem - they don't answer.
    why did they creat "supertech" except for low price?
  • wtd44wtd44 Posts: 1,211
    I would answer by saying that Walmart contracts to have a good manufacturer supply their good product with a Walmart brand name on it so that Walmart can sell that product for less money while not jeopardizing the manufacturer's relationships with other retailers of that same filter.
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Posts: 2,554
    tboner--

    I don't hot-rod in my 95 Contour SE MTX (rarely above 5k RPMs). I use Mobil1 5W30 and the Motorcraft FL820S filter, and change both every 5k miles (thinking about bumping that to 6k) which is about 4 months for me. How much of a risk do you really think it is, to be running the 820 filter?

    I always heard the 820 was a great filter-- Pure One quality at a Motorcraft price (I buy them at WalMart for $2.97). That's why I use them.
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