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Acura Integra GSR Customizing and Modifying

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  • only1harryonly1harry Member Posts: 1,140
    I hear many complaints from auto-xers about the Kumho 712s.
    My RE730s, which I still use on the street (2.5yrs old) cost me $86 ea. and they still don't squeal on the street. I also auto-xed on them for a full season (15-16 events) in '00. I really liked them and did pretty decent with them but the Falken Azenis is the king of street tires right now because of their pretty stiff sidewall. I see people improving almost 1 full sec. on a 50sec. autox- course with them after they switch from other street tires.

    Thomas: if you can resist local auto-x club racing where you go to school, then you 're a better man than I am :=)
    '99 Integra GSR
    '06 Civic LX coupe
    '11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
    '13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
  • only1harryonly1harry Member Posts: 1,140
    Got them on the GSR yesterday. Drove around the back roads bedding them in and following the break-in instructions. I was not critical of them nor was I paying much attention because I was moderately hitting the brakes as instructed and was paying more attention to my speed (40mph) and my foot for proper pressure, etc.
    Today I get in the car and per the instructions I can do hard stops. Did a few medium ones first and then a couple of hard almost emergency stops.
    In a few words I 'm not that impressed with these pads. I really don't see a difference between the Metal Masters and the Ultimates.. yet. Maybe this weekend when I auto-x I 'll be able to see the difference. I hope! Otherwise I spend $60 for nothing because my MMs still had plenty of life in them.. I remember though when I went to the MM over stock, there was a noticeable difference on the street.. so I was expecting to notice a difference with the Ultimates too, but like the guy at Cobalt Friction said, the HP+ are a little more aggressive than the Ultimates. Maybe the Ultimates need to break in a little longer, don't know. I also think it's time to bleed the brakes because it's been over a year since I put fresh fluid in. I think I see a very slight difference where the pedal doesn't travel as much with the Ultimates but the braking distances or stopping power doesn't seem to be any better to me. The funny thing is I got Hawk HP+ for my '01 Civic (reason being is they don't make too many pads for the '01+ Civic yet) and the Ultimates for my GSR. I think it should 've been the other way around :=) stupid me!
    I got the HP+ and not the HPS for the Civic because a few times I had to do emergency panic stops/slow downs on the highway in my 160mi. daily trip to work. Trucks and cars cutting me off at 75mph or accidents, and mainly truck drivers falling asleep at the wheel and coming into your lane or drifting onto the shoulder, etc. So I really believe I need the most stopping power for my daily driver (got Brembos on it too). I should be putting the HP+ on the Civic this Sat. Have had them for almost a month but fixing all the problems with the GSR was my priority so I can get back on track with it..
    Also got new Kumho Ecsta V700 on the GSR yesterday. Drove around the country back roads to heat cycle them and will let them sit till the weekend.
    '99 Integra GSR
    '06 Civic LX coupe
    '11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
    '13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
  • cjhannancjhannan Member Posts: 201
    I'd wait for several weeks before you render a verdict on the new Axxis Ultimate brake pads. When I put my HP+s on, it felt like it took a month or longer before I could really notice them performing at their peak. I tend to think most folks often underestimate the time it takes for new brake pads to become truly bedded. I've talked to a few other autocrossers and track going racers who share the same observation. I had one autocross a week or two after I put my HP+s on last November, and they felt good but nothing too impressive. I didn't have another autocross after that until February when we had a warm up event. And it was then when I became very, very impressed w/ these pads. I, too, need to bleed my brakes because my pedal is not feeling as firm as it once used to -- been about 10 months and about 8-10 autocross events. Hope to get that done tomorrow. Keep us posted on how the new setup is working for you.
  • only1harryonly1harry Member Posts: 1,140
    Don't know about the coilover setup/extra lowering because I haven't raced in over 2 weeks and I 'm starting to get withdrawal symptoms. I had to work last Sat. night again into Sunday 6am (damn Cisco screwed us again with their buggy code), so I came home and slept most of Sunday morning into the afteroon. Come 9pm I was feeling really awake and alive and had a huge urge to go and drive the GSR.
    Went to my usual back country roads and really opened it up. The car really handles high speed sweepers a little better now that it's lower than before (total drop is about 1.6-1.7", 1/2" more than before) and with the higher spring rates. There was no body roll at 80mph going through some nice long sweepers and curves. I figure I was breaking in the new Kumhos too before this weekend's auto-x, if I can make it that is. My wife is talking about going to her sister's in PA by herself to relax and wants me to stay behind with my son! What a nerve. I haven't raced in 2.5 weeks and she trying to ruin it for me this weekend! :=) That would make it 3 weeks without auto-xing and I don't know if I can bear it..
    As far as the brakes go, I 'm pretty sure I need to give them at least a couple of weeks more or 1 auto-x event and then they should start feeling like they should. I was also thinking of getting new Brembo rotors just for up front because they 're not that smooth and I can see some grooves on the surface, but most likely I 'll wait till next spring to do that.
    I think I 'll have problems going to the car wash now. The car is lowered too much for that high steel track they have because it was touching a little before in the front and I 'm sure it won't make it over that now.. I may have to wash the car by hand! god forbid I did some physical labor :=)
    '99 Integra GSR
    '06 Civic LX coupe
    '11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
    '13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
  • cjhannancjhannan Member Posts: 201
    Hope y'all had a nice, relaxing holiday. Mine was very nice.

    And I guess I'm still flying high from our 10th and final (of the season) Solo II points event on Sunday. I'd have to say it was my best autocrossing day yet. I finally beat that damn pesky Subie Impreza (if only by 0.037 secs., to be exact) to win STS for only the second time this year. I knew I was closing the gap on him last week, by getting within 0.1 sec of his best time, but it was a dirty run (1 cone) which bumped me from second back to 4th or 5th place - ouch! This past Sunday, we were neck and neck all day, and actually had him by 1/10th of a second going into our fourth and final time run. Even still, I was sitting in second place (at (60.2xx) because one of the other STS regulars came out of no where and had a 59.8xx. As it turns out, I was gridded right behind Tom (the Impreza driver) so he started his fourth run right in front of me, and improved his best time by nearly 1.5 secs w/ a 59.395 to claim 1st place for brief moment. And then I came through the finish lights about 20 secs. later with a 59.358 (improving my best time by nearly 1 sec.) to grab the lead and stay there. Whew, I was really amazed... I have to say that my fourth and final run was some of my best driving yet (notice I didn't say "perfect") -- I managed not to make any of the same mistakes I had made on my previous runs, didn't make any new mistakes, kept really tight lines while not hitting cones, and was practicing more patience than I knew I ever had (there were lots of really tight sections). I didn't believe I had nearly a full second improvement in me, so I really surprised myself. What makes this even more gratifying is that this particular course was setup by a national and many-a-time trophy winning driver in our region, and it was designed to take on more of a look, feel, and characteristics of a national event, because they wanted to give those folks going to Topeka a good practice session. So, by a long shot, this course was far more technical than what we usually run, with lots of very interesting and different looking gate configurations. It really challenged all of us to find the fast, smooth and flowing line from one section to the next. I very much enjoyed it. :D Oh yeah, ... almost forgot... I finally cracked the PAX top 10 in my region, placing 9th out of 146 drivers. Regarding the final class standings for the year, believe it or not finishing first in this event bumped me from 4th or 5th overall, to 3rd place. Not too shabby for my first full season. :D I definitely need to work on being more consistent (minimizing the bad days and maximizing the good ones), but I learned an awful lot this year and wouldn't give any of those experiences back. I can see having many, many more years of fun with this stuff. I'm definitely hooked!!!
  • only1harryonly1harry Member Posts: 1,140
    congrats on the win! You gotta love that STS pax!
    My class has a PAX of .820 (vs .789 I think in STS) and I paxed 12th 3 weeks ago at the NYR SCCA. So that was the best event I ever had plus I came in 8th out of 122 cars.
    Last week was a totally different story. I had lowered the car too much (almost 2"!) and handling sucked. I really think it's the Konis. They can't take more than 1.4-1.5" drop plus the high spring rates must make it worse since they can't properly dampen them. I also found out that (with my setup) lowering the rear even or more than the front results in even worse handling, with my setup anyway. I came in like 40something and people I used to beat did better than me (not in my class) or they had closed the gap a lot. I lost at least .75sec. with this lower setup PLUS my old caster problem is back!! It won't leave me alone. I 'm really POed at this race shop that told me I had a bent LCA. On the 4th run I heard a loud bang coming from the front and the car went back to the way it was. On the way home the car was once again unstable on the highway, steering wheel was crooked again and it was pulling. Some think that the front right upper control arm bushing(s) (there are 2) maybe be moving or a bolt has snapped out of place causing pushing the spindle (and wheel hub) backwards, so now I 'm going to have that checked out hopefully by next weekend. I have raised the car back up again by about 3/8" or more and it seems to have good turn-in now like before. I 've come to the conclusion that the Konis really do need the extra shock travel and the higher I go the happier they are. I would assume that once they 're revalved I could go a little lower because they was an STS GSR there that was lowered a lot but had revalved Konis. He said Koni told him that once the shocks are revalved he 'd be able to lower the car a little more without hurting anything. His front tire were exactly even with the fender and he had 1 finger gap in the rear. His car handled really well. So I set the height back up where it was when the car felt good and PAXed 12th and hopefully I can pull the same #s again this Saturday. No more lowering for me until I can fix my caster and get the shocks revalved.
    Some of the SM Civics we have around here (very fast, with B18C/C5 motors) have very expensive full coilovers where when they lower the car, there's a valve on each (double-adjustable)shock that compensates for that and they can adjust the travel to be the same or more! Some had RJ coilovers & Krux (or Crux). They 're pretty much full race coilovers. Those Civics handled like go-karts. No matter how fast they were going, they 'd turn on a dime and looked very neutral too because I saw them braking in the middle of turns and kept their line. I guess we get what we pay for and right now I have a bastardised coilover system with off the shelf single adjustable shocks :(
    Been doing some very technical reading and I finally understand that the shocks are the most important suspension component when auto-xing. Not the springs, not the sway bars, but the shocks! I 'm thinking instead of revalving the Konis to sell them and spend some bucks on some decent double-adjustable shocks. The average is $1600 but some allow you to revalve them and rebuild them yourself but revalving should not be needed as they come valved according to your springs with a high and low (like 400lbs low and 600 high or whatever you ask for). It's a lot of money though and I 'd probably buy an LSD first.. Hmm, forget that, I think I 'm done. I 'm buying my brother's ITR and racing DS from now on. I think it's the only logical thing to do, otherwise I can see myself spending another $3K for LSD and good shocks and I still have a GSR. Casey, talk some sense to me!! :=)
    '99 Integra GSR
    '06 Civic LX coupe
    '11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
    '13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
  • garadosgarados Member Posts: 321
    and I was wondering how much they go for. They're the blade style rims from a 2000/2001 gsr. They're in excellent condition and well, I want some 15" wheels. Thanks for the help ^_^
  • himilerhimiler Member Posts: 1,209
    Having replaced 3(!) of those wheels, I can attest to the fact that they aren't cheap. Thru Hoen Acura in CA, they ran around $330 new, and that's with a significant discount off list.

    A set of 4, used and in good condition could run you upwards of $600, provided the seller knows what they've got on their hands. These are really nice wheels, and they're pretty light for being cast pieces.

    Unfortunately, with the lightness comes a certain detriment to strength, which is why I had to replace 3 of 'em over the course of 210,000 miles/3 years. Win some, lose some.
  • garadosgarados Member Posts: 321
    Today, I found a set of 16" wheels. The seller is selling them for $70 for all four =O Anyway, should I get these with falken azenis 205 45 16, yokohama paradas 205 40 16, or kumho 712 205 40 16. Or would the gsr wheels with stock wheels be better(how this could be better? I don't know)? Both would be about the same price, so that's why I'm asking.

    Also, talking about wheels, what are all of the advantages/disadvantages of going from a 17" wheel to a 16" wheel? I know that advantages would be the ability to go to a good tire (azenis), a higher effective spring rate and braking ability, and faster acceleration due to less rotating mass, right? Disadvantages include none because my 17" are heavy and the tires suck because they don't have grip, and they roll over on themselves during all kinds of turns.

    Again, thanks for the help ^_^
  • cjhannancjhannan Member Posts: 201
    Definitely cannot go wrong with buying an ITR. Given that you'd be getting from your brother makes it even sweeter -- you already know the good, the bad, and the ugly about the car. You are right, no matter what you do to your current car, it will still be a GSR -- which is a fine automobile... but even still, it's not a Type R. If 4 door Type Rs were sold in the U.S., I'd be all over it like white on rice. :D The type R is still a great/top competitor in Solo II D stock, and you've already got some butt time by driving your brother's, so I think it's a wise move... Better yet if your brother gives you a sibling discount on the purchase price. You'll probably want to get the front suspension fixed (again) on your car, and then decide to sell it as it, or put all the stock parts back on and sell it that way. Either way, you should be able to get a decent price for it. This could be conceivably a break even kind of deal for you... Keep us posted.
  • himilerhimiler Member Posts: 1,209
    The key advantages of keeping a 15" wheel on your 'teg are:

    cheaper tires
    lower unsprung weight
    no speedometer/gearing changes

    It's your money, but I'd try to find a light 15"x7" wheel and mount the stickiest 215/50-15 tire I could afford on it. You'll see more of an improvement in overall handling, braking and launching going this route than what you'd get from a set of 16-inchers.

    The only thing 16"s will do for you is look bigger, and what looks god/bad is always subjective, anyway.

    The wheel bearings on your Integra are under enough stress already from cornering without the added weight of 16" wheels and tires.
  • garadosgarados Member Posts: 321
    When I got the car, the stockers weren't on the car. They had been sold and replaced with these pos 17" wheels that are heavy and a mother f*****r. Besides, I don't have the money to spend on sticky rubber for them.

    With the 16", I can afford the new tires, no problem. So, what I get from your post, the main advantages to going to a lighter/smaller wheel are better braking, acceleration, cheaper tires, and the car won't be forced to deal with the major forces generated by using a heavy wheel, right?

    Also, of the tires I listed, the Azenis, paradas, and 712's, which are the best for street use? Thank's for the help ^_^
  • himilerhimiler Member Posts: 1,209
    Ahh, yes. Now I see where you're coming from.

    Yes -- definately dump the 17"s somewhere. They're killing your ride/handling/acceleration.

    For street use, 16"s will be fine, and far better than the 17"s, but they would probably be a liability if you ever went to auto-x.

    Out of the tires you listed, go with the Kuhmo ECSTA 712. It's a great tire for the money, and is easier to live with on a daily basis than the other two.

    Happy driving!
  • cjhannancjhannan Member Posts: 201
    Himiler summed it up better than I could, so you've basically got all the good objective feedback you need. If it were me, I'd stay with a 15" wheel size for all the advantages listed above. But that's just me... :D
  • garadosgarados Member Posts: 321
    Again, thanks for the help. It is much appreciated ^_^
  • himilerhimiler Member Posts: 1,209
    No problemo!
  • garadosgarados Member Posts: 321
    about the rear strut tower brace. Does it help with handling? I'm kinda confused. The only thing I can see it doing is keeping the rear camber in check. I don't know, so that's why I'm asking. Is there much of a need to get one (on top of upgraded sway bars, shocks and spring)? If it is worth getting, who makes a good brace and how much is it? Thanks ^_^
  • himilerhimiler Member Posts: 1,209
    If you're not auto-xing, a rear tower brace, while it will improve body rigidity, is probably overkill for your set-up.


    The front brace provides a more-noticable improvement in handling than the rear, just because it helps to reduce steering wheel deflection.


    If you want to check some braces out anyway:


    http://lightningmotorsports.com


    http://coximport.com

  • only1harryonly1harry Member Posts: 1,140
    Casey. I doubt my brother will give me a "sibling discount" though :( He thinks he 's going to get a lot of money for his ITR. He probably will, but I 'm not willing to pay anything more than $16-17K. Ahtough it's a '98, it only has 14.5k mi. on it! Then again the warranty has expired too and it was raced a lot from '98-00.
    I already know that's it's burning a little oil and the car has been sitting a lot which is not good for the motor. When he starts it up it smokes (black smoke) for about 10min. Probably because of all the gunk and gasoline deposits that accumulate and harden up while the car is sitting without being used for long periods of time. The smoke does go away though, so I know it's not the rings or something like that. Just junk that needs to be burned.
    BTW, he surprised me and showed up at the Porsche club this past Saturday. He has new Azenis on so I beat him by over 4secs. Well officially 2+ secs because I hit cones with all my best runs which I normally don't do. He doesn't realize that when you don't auto-x as much you forget how to do it. He thought there was something wrong with his shocks :-)
    He went first and his best was about a 61.x out of the 4 morning runs (we got 7). He says to me that there 's no way I 'd be under 60secs in my first couple of runs. So I go in the 2nd heat and my first run is 58.0x. I couldn't find him anywhere for like 1hr. I think he was hiding. I managed a 56.7 and his best was high 60's. My official without cones though was my 1st run at 58.0! I don't think I ever had an event where my best run was my first one! Darn cones. First time for everything :-) Probably because I never take the Porsche club seriously because I can never win a trophy there. They only have 1 class, called X, for everyone that doesn't drive a Porsche. So there were about 50-60 cars in X class including carts, prepared, modified non-street legal cars, you name it. Even with my 58.0 I think I managed to come in 8th or 9th. My 56.7 would 've placed me probably 5th or so. The best part was they cooked burgers & hot dogs for us and had coolers with ice cold Heiniken & Amstel! There's nothing like drinking a really cold beer when it's 90deg. and you 've been in the sun all day.
    '99 Integra GSR
    '06 Civic LX coupe
    '11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
    '13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
  • cjhannancjhannan Member Posts: 201
    $17k seems to be what an '98 ITR in good shape is going for these days. If he's expecting to get a lot more than that then he's delusional. :D Given the model year of his car, I take it that it's CW ITR. Boy, do I love those cars -- by far and away it's the best color for the Type R. Those Porsche club events sure sound nice. Having some good food and libations after a summer event sure sounds nice. I don't think the POC/PCA club around here does that...

    Well, just last week I placed my order for some GC coilovers, 400# front, 450# rear. Should be able to get them on the car some time in Oct. Then I'll be all set for our region's last event (non-point event, just for fun) of the year on Nov. 17th. I imagine I'll have to learn to drive my car all over again. Really glad I decided not to do this change in the middle of the season -- that probably would have been a disaster and would have really hurt my chances for finishing in the top three overall. This way, I can try getting used to the new setup by going to a few winter events in the area, and then be "somewhat" ready at the beginning of next season. Have you got any words of wisdom for me before the install, Harry? Right now, I really don't think I'll change the ride height very much, if at all. I still have about a 2-3 finger gap all around between the fender lip and the tire. This gives me a decent amount of shock travel and about 1 degree of negative camber all around as well. And I don't find myself bottoming out or scraping the bottom of my header on steep driveways. Will I need to start wearing a weight belt to protect my back and kidneys from the stiffer ride? :D
  • only1harryonly1harry Member Posts: 1,140
    Yes, I 've been experimenting a lot and have come to the conclusion that lowering the car too much with the 400lb+ GC coilovers can adversely affect handling and worsen your times in auto-x. Anything less than 2-2.5 finger gap does not work too well for me. 2.5 gap in the front and 3 finger gap in the rear seems to work the best in my car, most likely because of the extra shock travel.
    Here's another thing I have discovered. The more I lower the firmer I have to set the Konis. Even at 3 finger gap, the Konis have to be set higher (because of the higher spring rates I 'd assume) than what you're used to. At 3 finger gap, they seem to work best 1.25 turns up front and 1.5 turns in the rear.
    Another thing I 've discovered is that the car likes to fishtail more when it's raised higher. So yesterday at the Mclub we got finished early (only 60 cars), around 2:30 and they said we can do 30-45 min. of fun runs. So I wanted to try new things, so I lowered the car down to 2 finger gap in the front and 2.5 in the back (so 1/2 finger all around - or 2 turns on the ring that sits on the threaded sleeve). Kept the same shock settings - 1.25F/1.5R and my times were about the same but didn't fishtail at all this time. The car felt pretty neutral, even pushing a little. So then I said screw it, I went to 1.5 turns in the front and all the way stiff in the Rear which is almost 2 full turns and on my first run fun run with those settings I beat my best time .5 sec! The car felt more planted and the shocks better matched for the springs. I tried again 1-2 more fun runs and couldn't drop it. It was a very fast course with 3d gear twice! I got up to 75mph, but it also had 2-3 tight turns and chicago boxes with a tight slalom at the end. Now this worked very well for the big sweepers but I had to fight the car a little more in the tight parts of the course.
    So to recap, 2.5 finger gap in the front & 3 in the rear seems to work better on tighter courses where more suspension travel & better turn-in is needed, and 2F/2.25-2.5R is better for faster courses and big sweepers. I think I will leave it at the last height setting and see where that takes me. With that setting I was 1/10s slower than the '02 325is (w/coilovers) that I usually beat or he beats me. He 's my main competition at NASA. Those Bimmers turn on a dime when they have coilovers and adj. shocks. Plus they 're RWD and they get some beautiful rotation, it's sickening :-) My next auto-x car is definitely going to be RWD. I drove an older MR2 and I was just amazed how well it handled with perfect rotation and no pushing.
    I also think that our shocks definitely need to be revalved. We can go for a while with our off the shelf Konis but eventually if we want to be really competitive we have to revalve them or get better ones. I 've seen STS GSRs with revalved Konis and ~400lb coilovers and they handle really well, better than my car. Once I get mine revalved, hopefully in the winter, I 'm going to order probably 550lb for the rear, since I have 475 in the front now. I wanted 450 all around or 425F/450R when I first called GC, but they were back ordered on 400F, 425F, 450F/R & 475R, so I ended up with the 475F & 400R which was the only ones they had in stock other than 500+. I called at a bad time when they were cleaned out by people getting ready for the Nationals & divisionals they told me.
    So I think you 'll have to experiment yourself Casey because what works for me may not work very well for you, especially because you have a different ratio than me. This guy that races in the PRO class and owns an SM '92 Civic hybrid told me that he was watching me out there while he was working and it seemed to him that I didn't have enough dampening. Now this guy had no clue what my suspension consists of! He just overheard me talking to other people that I was stuck at the same 55.4s (I was pretty consistent, but managed to drop it to 54.9 on my last run by downshifting right before a very tight chicago box so I had more speed coming out of it) and he joined in the conversation. So I 'm convinced that we 'll do a lot better with some custom valved shocks. Shocks is really the most important part of the suspension in auto-x. When I put the Konis on, I was immediately 1sec faster back then when I was on stock shocks & H&R OEs.
    Yes, you 'll definitely have to change your driving a little and learn the car again. You may not see good results right away. We may be able to dampen the 400lbs ok, but your 450 and my 475 is questionable, especially in my case where my Konis have seen 3 full seasons with almost 60 events. Let us know how they work out!
    '99 Integra GSR
    '06 Civic LX coupe
    '11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
    '13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
  • fxd98fxd98 Member Posts: 2
    I'm looking at a used GSR and don't know the tech specs for the motor. It's got some performance mods to it, but I'm wondering how tight it may still be. I asked the owner to have the compression check done, and it came back 210, 210, 213 and 219. Can someone tell me if this is a safe range for the motor and if this indicates anything bad in the near future that I would need to fix if I bought the car? Thanks for your help, Mark
  • nerdnerd Member Posts: 203
    The factory service manual for the '97 Integra gives the following compression specs for the VTEC engine:

    Nominal 270 psi
    Minimum 135 psi
    Maximum variation 28 psi

    Compression measurements are to be made at 250rpm and wide open throttle.

    The data on your engine indicates that the compression is fine compared to the specs.
  • fxd98fxd98 Member Posts: 2
    Thanks for the update; I'll let you know how things work out if I wind up buying the car. Knowing the basic condition of the engine is good is a step in the right direction, though.
  • garadosgarados Member Posts: 321
    Alrighty, I'm finally going to go to an autocross event. Is there anything I should do to prepare for this? I've already got an extra 5 gallon gas container (just in case), and I'm going to take out anything that isn't absolutely necessary, i.e. spare tire, jack, everything in the glove compartment and console, and anything else that won't help with performance. So yeah, what do you guys do before a race to get ready physically and mentally? Thanks ^_^
  • himilerhimiler Member Posts: 1,209
    Bring a big-[non-permissible content removed] fork with which to eat some humble pie!

    Good luck, and have fun!
  • garadosgarados Member Posts: 321
    what tha? hehehe, that's funny ^_^
  • only1harryonly1harry Member Posts: 1,140
    Good for you! I actually don't take anything out of the glove compartment. I 'm only lightening up the car by 2lbs or so if I empty it out plus I don't feel comfortable with my insurance card, Acura manual, etc. being out on the parking lot while I 'm racing. I usually put my wallet in there and my cell phone (turned off) while I 'm racing.
    You want to make sure there 's nothing inside the car that can move around or fall, like radar detector, floor mats, or any loose items because they 'll end up under your brake or gas pedal or hit your foot and destruct you.
    These are things most people bring with them because it's usually a long 7-8hr day

    These items are for novices:
    1. Hat/cap to protect your head from the sun
    2. Sun block 15+
    3. Cooler with at least 1/2 gallon of fluids (water + Gatorade). 1Qt of each is what I bring. Water alone messes you up a little. Need sports drink to balance out your electrolytes.
    4. Sandwich/Food (have breakfast before going)
    5. Air pressure gauge
    6. $20 air compressor from Sears or Home Depot.
    7. Fold out chair (optional)
    8. Water spray bottle or Windex & Paper towel roll to wipe off the shoe polish (#s) from your windows - Optional. Must do it when you get home though otherwise it's harder to take off.

    For non-novices, in addition to above:
    8. Floor jack - to rotate your tires quickly
    9. Torque wrench
    10. Helmet
    11. Magnetic numbers so they don't use shoe polish or tape on your car.
    12. Qt of Mobil 1 oil
    13. Craftsman mechanics tool kit - small/avg.
    14. Towel (wipe your hands, face, etc.)
    15. At least 1 full spare on rim in case of flat so you can still race

    You want to get there early and walk the course several times to memorize it. If you 're not running in the 1st heat, watch the other cars race and learn the course, where they go and how they get there, etc. But no matter how much I tell you know it won't all sink in until you 've done it a few times. Plus it's a lot of information to absorb your first time. Talk to other experienced drivers when you get there. Be mentally prepared to possibly finish last in your class and don't let it bother you. It's your first time and you 're expected to do bad. People are very nice there, noone will make any comments or fun of you. Don't get discouraged. You get a lot better the 2nd and 3d time around.
    If they have fun runs at the end, do as many as you can (usually costs $1). Seat time is what makes you better. Good luck and let us know how you make out.
    '99 Integra GSR
    '06 Civic LX coupe
    '11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
    '13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
  • only1harryonly1harry Member Posts: 1,140
    Let them know when you get there that it's your first time and ask them to go in the novice class if they have one. Also ask them if they will do a novice walk-thru of the course (with an instructor) before the racing starts. Most clubs do this.
    If you go off course more than once (most likely you will), ask for an instructor, a pro or an experienced driver to go with you as a passenger on your next run. Go slow at first to learn the course and go slow with the instructor too. If you go too fast you 'll go off course and miss a gate or turn. If they have a big novice class there, you may end up ahead of a girl with a Cavalier or an Escort :-)

    My first time I raced with the Porsche club in '99. They didn't have a novice class and what's worse, they put everyone in 1 class that doesn't drive a Porsche! They call it X class. I was 3d from last (out of 50 cars). Don't remember which cars I beat, but in the Porsche classes I was faster than a really old Porsche 944 with a girl driving it. I was really proud that I beat a Porsche until I started talking to her and I found out it was only her 2nd time.. I went off course 4 times too! It was very long 60+ sec. course and very technical with lots of turns, slaloms, transitions, etc. I only stayed on course when I got an instructor to go with me and showed me what I was doing wrong. I will never forget the screeching of the stock Michelin tires. They wouldn't grab for nothing! Hope you got some decent tires.
    '99 Integra GSR
    '06 Civic LX coupe
    '11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
    '13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    You might ask the owner if the compression test was done with open throttle and a warm engine. You'd be amazed at how many shops do the compression test all wrong and then give the wrong data to the client who then makes the wrong decision.
  • garadosgarados Member Posts: 321
    I can't wait, and I will try to get there early to get an idea of what the aourse looks like. I've already made arangements with an instructor, so that should be fun.

    Oh, about tires, if the max pressure they can take is, say 45 psi, what should I inflate the tires to before the race? about 40-43 psi?

    Thanks again, and I'm so excited ^_^
  • integraturbo88integraturbo88 Member Posts: 2
    I plan to get a 1997 GSR. I am a teenager and i love loud exhaust. Anybody got any idea on a really loud exhaust. I am thinking about dynomax exhaust but im not sure if there loud or not. Thanks for helping. Remember that i am a teen and i cant afford alot i think i want between 100 - 500 dollar exhaust.
  • garadosgarados Member Posts: 321
    If you want a loud exhaust, go custom. Either that or one of the Apex'i systems, WS or N1. If you want to go louder, remove the catalytic convertor (I wouldn't, just because I want the car to be street legal and emissions legal). If you want it to be as loud as f*&^, just run an open header.

    In my experience, mine is pretty loud, but not annoying. It's a custom 2.5" with a Hayame xt1 muffler. It's deep and not buzzy or twangy, and it's LOUD at WOT. Hope that helps ^_^
  • cjhannancjhannan Member Posts: 201
    Just because you're a teenager does not mean you need to have a loud exhaust. So, get one if you want one, but it doesn't have to be because you're a teenager -- there are plenty of people of all ages who like things loud (which does not equate to "fast" :D)

    I'd check out the Tanabe Racing Medallion -- pretty forkin' loud if you ask me...
  • only1harryonly1harry Member Posts: 1,140
    is pretty loud. A couple of guys have them that I race with. One of them has a Type-R and said that it came with a silencer that you can put on or take off whenever you want. He autocrosses without it and it sounds pretty loud. The Apexi WS is the quiet one and a little less aggressive.
    Tanabe exhausts are pretty loud too.
    If the exhaust is TOO loud you might get tickets from cops in towns that have a noise ordinance. Most towns do and I know people that paid fines for having a loud exhaust.
    '99 Integra GSR
    '06 Civic LX coupe
    '11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
    '13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
  • only1harryonly1harry Member Posts: 1,140
    Had 16k mi. on it. Been putting it off for a while now but Saturday I got under the car and finally removed it.
    Of course I overoiled (I knew I 'd do that..) it so I had to let it sit for a while until most of the oil dripped out. I put it back on the intake and waited till the next day to drive the car just in case there was some excess oil there and didn't want to suck it into the combustion chamber.
    While driving to an autocross club in CT the next morning I noticed the car was a little bit faster but more quiet! I thought it would be louder being that the filter is cleaner and not as clogged, it would suck in more air. I also lost that hissing sound I had in the midrange that I used to love. Most people with an AEM CAI have it and it sounds really cool. I wonder if too much oil on the filter would restrict air flow..(??) but the car seemed a little faster in 1st, 2nd & 3d gear. I didn't notice much change on the hway in 4th or 5th.
    Now the reason I 'm posting this is because another GSR racer a couple of months ago told me at one of the events that he cleaned his K&N (has AEM too) and the car got louder and faster at the same time. Mine got more quiet so I think the overoiling may have something to do with it. Mine also didn't have much debris at all on it. Only a couple of very small dead bugs and a few tiny rocks, maybe 1/16" in diameter which I brushed off. I also believe my gas mileage got better because I drove 60mi. each way to CT and usually 120 mi. uses almost 1/2 tank of gas but it looked like I only went through 1/3 tank! Like I used to when the AEM was new.
    Casey, have you cleaned yours yet?
    '99 Integra GSR
    '06 Civic LX coupe
    '11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
    '13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
  • cjhannancjhannan Member Posts: 201
    I haven't cleaned mine in over a year. I did it once already, about 5 months after it was installed, and it was barely dirty. I figured that I'd wait longer next time and have been meaning to clean for the past few months. I drive so little (average about 8k miles/year) I figured I could get away doing it about once a year. The thought of improving gas mileage a bit is appealing though. Guess I better get off my lazy [non-permissible content removed] and do it soon. :D
  • deryckfmderyckfm Member Posts: 29
    Coincidentally, I was also about to ask you guys if it was worth switching to a drop-in K&N filter on my 2000 GSR with 6,300 miles. Being fairly new, I wasn't sure if I should make that my first upgrade. Being in Chicago, I may end up using it a bit less now once the snow comes and was wondering if I should wait until next spring also to do the upgrade. Will it be more beneficial if I did go with the same set-up as only1harry has above, instead of just a drop-in type? Will accidental water intake be it's only downside and have more upside benefits?
  • himilerhimiler Member Posts: 1,209
    A CAI delivers far better gains than a drop-in filter. Cheap horsepower and a great induction sound -- CAI's are the only way to go.

    Unless you regularly drive through water deeper than 7" at wide open throttle, you really don't need to be worried about hydrolocking your motor.

    If you're concerned about driving with a CAI in the winter months, buy a short-ram intake to use in the wet seasons.
  • garadosgarados Member Posts: 321
    Alright, I know that the requirement for helmets for the club i'm going to be racing with has to have an m90 rating or higher. Now, I have a closed-face helmet. It's galaxy made by kbc. It has an m2000 rating. I just wanted to know if m2000 is a higher/newer rating than m90. Thanks.

    p.s. here's the site for the helmet
    http://www.kbchelmet.com/street/tk8galaxy/index.htm
  • only1harryonly1harry Member Posts: 1,140
    There 's always the possibility of sucking in water with the Cold Air Intake if it pours a lot where you live and when you drive through flooded roads with 4" of standing water or more (for stock height cars). Doesn't have to be 7" because the car has 7" of ground clearance. In other words the filter doesn't have to be submerged in water in order to suck in some water. The splash guard that is directly below the K&N filter (with a CAI) is full of holes and far from water resistant. All it takes is a good splash which could be a couple of gallons or more being directed to that exact area. People have reported that they hydrolocked their engines after they drove over 2-3" of water (they were lowered 1-2"). Another thing is that when the car hits standing water that is a couple of inches deep it tends to brake and slow down, thus lowering the nose, or the driver hits the brakes lowering the front of the car even more and bringing the K&N filter closer to the water, or closer to the big splash that follows after you make contact with the water. You 'll be surprised how much your car gets closer to the ground when you brake. We 're talking 2-3"!

    The odds are totally in your favor though of not hydrolocking especially if you car is not lowered like ours, and what are the odds you 'll be driving on seriously flooded streets?
    I believe Casey has the AEM CAI as well (cjhannan) and drives his lowered GSR daily. Thousands of AEM CAI owners do it, and if it's performance you 're looking for, there 's no better bang for the buck than the AEM Cold air intake which comes with the K&N filter. I gained 12.4hp at the wheels with it. That is equivelant to 14hp at the flywheel (advertised). Plus I gained another 7.5ft-lbs of torque. A drop in filter usually gives you 0-1hp.

    We have to warn you though. Mods can be addictive and noone usually stops at one.. So make sure you have a couple of grand stashed aside before your first mod :-)
    '99 Integra GSR
    '06 Civic LX coupe
    '11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
    '13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
  • only1harryonly1harry Member Posts: 1,140
    M90 means 1990. M2000 or Snell2000 means the year 2000. So guess which one is newer :=)

    So how did your first auto-x go? You bought a helmet before you even tried racing to see if you like it?
    '99 Integra GSR
    '06 Civic LX coupe
    '11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
    '13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
  • garadosgarados Member Posts: 321
    my autox is this sunday. I guess I didn't make that clear, hehe sorry ^_^. Thanks for the info about the helmets. Oh yeah, any opinions about Ventus tires? Thanks.
  • garadosgarados Member Posts: 321
    >:O I have some money for tires to go on some new 16" aluminum alloy wheels. Now, I have the chance to get some Azenis for about 95 bucks a tire ^_^ or some Ventus tires, as said above. I have some mixed reactions about what I'm going to do.

    My all-knowing father says that I'm going to lose handling performance by switching from 17" steel wheels with 45series p.o.s. tires to 16" aluminum alloys with the azenis. He says I will be throwing my money away, but, from the short time that I've had these new wheels, acceleration and braking have definitely improved and handling is just as good as with the 17's and the 16" tires are flaking apart :\ Anyway, any good arguments and proof to show that the azenis with the 16's would lead to better everything would be appreciated. Thanks.
  • himilerhimiler Member Posts: 1,209
    Ask your father if he understands the concepts of "unsprung weight" and "rotational mass."

    Reducing unsprung weight gives you better handling in transitional moves, and also improves the ride comfort.

    Reducing rotational mass provives better acceleration and braking, since there is less intertia for the engine and brakes to overcome.
  • only1harryonly1harry Member Posts: 1,140
    the 16" wheels and Falken Azenis, or any 15" wheel you might have with 205-50-15" Azenis. It's the best street tire out there for auto-x. People have shaved 1sec. off their times when they switched to Azenis. That's a lot!
    '99 Integra GSR
    '06 Civic LX coupe
    '11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
    '13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
  • deryckfmderyckfm Member Posts: 29
    .... for the intake feedbacks. if hydrolock is it's only downside, may not be that much of a concern since i usually take my truck out when it's raining or snowing. is that "safety valve" worth the extra $40 (on top of the $190 for the CAI) though?

    will it void any warranties (have the non-extended one) unless i go with comptech? should i wait until after my 7,500 mi check-up before upgrading to a CAI? anything worth having double checked at the 7,500 mi check-up too?

    yeah, mods are endless specially for our cars. am not done with my 750 gsxr yet and that's a '91!
  • only1harryonly1harry Member Posts: 1,140
    Yes I 'd definitely wait till the motor is well broken in before doing any bolt on mods. I didn't add the AEM CAI until my car had 14k mi. But 7500-10k is ok.
    A very important mod you should consider is a 22mm rear sway bar. Comptech or Type-R one. The new Comptech 22mm bars are adjustable and have 3 or 4 different settings. Comptech sway bar also come with a lower tie bar that serves as subframe reinforcement and that 's where the sway bar mounts on. The Comptech combo is a lot more $$ than the ITR one of course. It will really help with body roll and handling.
    '99 Integra GSR
    '06 Civic LX coupe
    '11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
    '13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
  • garadosgarados Member Posts: 321
    Thanks for the advice. I know for sure that I'm going to get the Azenis, whether or not my father agrees or not. Anyway, for this autox, I'm going to run on the 17's and then, at the next autox, I'm going to bring both sets of wheels and do a head2head comparison of my own. I'll post the difference.

    Also, deryckfm, I agree with Harry that an ITR or Comptech sway bars are good, but you should also look into suspension techniques. I have them (front & rear) and they're great. Even taking turns at 5 mph were noticably better. About the CAI, the bypass valve isn't worth it, IMO. There are a few guys in albuquerque, new mexico that have the valve, and they didn't work and they hydrolocked their engines. It could have been that they had a false sense of security with the valve and they went into a lake or something, but I think that the valve doesn't perform as well as advertised. I say get a short ram intake and a heat shield for it and never worry about hydrolock or sucking up anything like cats or small children =P
  • himilerhimiler Member Posts: 1,209
    Don't bother with the bypass valve -- they reduce the effectivness of the CAI, and allow dirt to enter the intake behind it.

    Adding an intake will not void your warranty. It's only there to get more air into the engine, and the removal for the stock intake and resonator will have no ill effect on the way your car runs.
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