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By the way - lotsa parts, not just emmissions related, are subject to re-engineering and improvement over the design life of a particular car model. Unless these improved parts are subject to in-warranty failure or specifically subject to federally mandated safety recalls, replacements are always on the owners' nickel. Deal with it.
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*SP-II -may- have been the factory fill fluid in some 2002s, but it hasn't been available for restock for field service since late 2002. SP-III is now the only approved service fill for all Hyundai automatics since MY 1996.
There was no pattern to it. It almost appeared to surge and get brighter and then flicker to dim and then back to normal. It did this a few times and then stopped for the last 10-15 miles of my ride.
Also, nothing else electrical seemed to dim, fail, etc. My headlights, fog lights and all dash lights stayed constant. I shut off my fog lights and lowered my AC fan a bit, and then turned them back on/up along with my stereo and I couldn't get the problem to repeat.
Anyone have any thoughts on what this could be? Is this related to the new battery or just coincidental?
When I start the vehicle cold, I can get a full volume of A/C through the vents; however, if I then turn it down to low, and later, 15 minutes or so, want it back up to a higher level, the volume of air stays low. Sometimes between 5 - 15 minutes it MAY come back to a high volume of air. The dealer mechanic replaced the A/C electronic unit (they say) but it is still occurring. Any ideas anyone?
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I have a pair of 2000 Sonata GLS V6 w/ pkg 13 and auto. I had a similar incident in the first 20,000 miles with my car some years ago (both bought new - on the same day, no less, in Spring 2000; my car now has nearly 60,000 miles on it).
I also had the dealership, "we can't do anything until you reproduce the defect" song and dance.
One thing I noticed with my car was that what appeared to be a transmission "jerk" happened when I was *VERY* gently accelerating or coasting.
Then - one day, while coasting on the highway, that little kick was not so little and, in hopes of making the car upshift to get up to speed, I pushed the accelerator to the floor. What happened then was much like riding a jack-hammer with leather seats: the car wildly, rhythmically shuddered violently and dropped speed. I pulled over and shut off the engine . . . and then restarted the car: it ran fine that moment, but I took it straight to the dealer for a diagnostic.
FORTUNATELY - when the incident I just described happened, the car threw a code and, per the code, what was apparently wrong was a sensor relating camshaft position - a sensor that then specifically takes camshaft data and uses that data to fire the spark plug - was working improperly.
The part was shipped from Korea and replaced.
I was told that such a problem should NEVER happen - that I was the victim of an unlucky defect.
BUT - the story does not end here, I'm afraid.
You see, I was taken by the low price, nice looks, and comfort of the 2000 Sonata.
So much so, we bought *TWO* identical cars that fateful day, if you remember.
I remind you my car has 60,000 miles on it: I drive highways a *LOT* to visit my family.
My other half drives the identical car only a few miles a day - with the every-other-weekend trek out on the expressway (mall, visit friends, sight-see, etc.) and therefore has 32,000 miles on that particular-but-otherwise-identical car.
Last week, the second Sonata (32,000 mi) began to show the same symptoms. I kept hearing, "It's the transmission - the transmission is failing on my car!" SO - like all good (or at least world-weary and conflict-avoidant) hubbies, I drove the car . . . and what do you know: I got the same sort of "jerky" or "missing a gear" feeling that my car had before my sensor incident. AND - it no less happened under the gentlest acceleration or maintained coasting.
I wish I could tell you all what the name of that particular sensor is. My own experience told me that what I was facing was a transmission issue . . . but it was, in fact, something else entirely but equally relevant to getting power from the engine to the rubber to the road.
I now hope I can get a repeat performance in the low-mileage car that I had with the high-mileage car, so we can get a new sensor in before the warranty expires next year.
Sonata is nice for a cheap car . . . but with two, a series of incidents, and over 70,000 miles between the cars . . . I'm going for a base-model VW Diesel next: fewer headaches.
Has anyone had this problem and if so what is causing this. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks a bunch
Have you opened and closed the inner shade when the thumping occurs to see whether its position makes any difference?
Have you opened and closed the sunroof when the thumping occurs?
Have you made certain the sunroof is fully closed to its stop?
Finally, make certain something else isn't being whipped about by the wind buffeting - such as the passenger side shoulder harness, particularly if the buckle was left turned inward toward the door pillar by the last occupant. ("CSF" [clueless spouse factor] - the leading cause of divorce and mahem in America...) The way sounds can telegraph through metal structures, it's often difficult to assess where noises are really coming from.
The antenna got bent and it doesn't go down all the way. When I shut the radio off, the motor makes the clicking noice trying to pull the antenna down. The dealer is asking for $200.
Was wondering if one of you could give advise on the feasibility of replacing this. Thanks.
I have tried everything. Funny is you can only hear it when it rains a good amount and when 1 window is open. When i put the back of it open,no noise, put it down you get the noise,close my window and no noise---ugggghhhh!!!! Driving me crazy when it does do it. When I shut the shade you can hear it just a little, not as loud, so I dont think it has to do w/air getting in, i think its water cuz other wise I would hear it all the time ya know, and I dont only when raining.
Well I appreciate your response, ill keep lookin and If I find where its comming from ill write again. Thank You Very Much!!!
Was wondering what "model" I should get? Searched web, but wasn't sure whether I found the right replacement model for my Sonata.
Anyway, would replacing this bent antenna in anyway void the warranty on the car??? Thx.
I guess I'll just go to Pep Boys or some other parts stores and see if I can find the right part...
I was in for the CEL check-up this morning with my mechanic and they informed me that there's been numerous complaints with the CEL problem in regards to the O2 sensors and that a campaign in the US has brought Hyundai to deal with the problem as a recall and service the O2 sensors. This is great news for me since I'm well beyond my warranty (Canada only HAD 3 year/60000km coverage). If anyone has such problems go to your dealer and ask about the campaign regarding the O2 sensors.
Steve
Regarding your possible next choice of VW.... I would highly reconsider. Go onto VW forums and read their problems & solutions and you'll notice the plethora of problems they have. Personally, I have 2 friends that own VWs (Jetta 1.8T and Golf TDI) and let me describe you the problems they have had.
The Golf TDI is the more "reliable" of the two. After driving 11kms off the lot, the turbo seized and they had to completely replace the turbo. Then, when he went to pick up the car, after several weeks later, the power windows malfunctioned. That was about a year ago, and since then he has taken a job out of the city so I haven't heard from him.
The Jetta 1.8T was the WORST. The car had radio, power windows, O2 sensors, numerous CEL .... the list goes on. After 1 year of ownership, he sold the car and bought an Accord. I also heard of similar hardship from a friend's mother who owns a Jetta.
VWs have one of the smoothest rides and impeccable interior qualities but mechanically, they're prone to malfunctions. If ONE problem is deterring you from purchasing another Hyundai then you'd better stay away from VW. If trouble free ownership is your priority then look into Honda/Toyota since they have the best quality and reliability in the business (the Accord is VERY nice). For myself, I'm very satisfied with the Sonata in terms of drive, reliability and value. Of course, refinement wise, Hyundai is still miles away from the Japanese but with all the R&D fundings that they are now pouring in and with CEO's strive to improve Hyundai's quality (I read that in Autoweek's news), I think my next car will be another Hyundai (unless of course, I can afford a BMW.. hehe... mmmm BMW)
Steve
I've had my Sonata in to the dealer 4 times for CEL indication caused by 02 sensor problems. In my case, it was always the same sensor, same side and position. The dealer replaced it several times and worked on my car while on line with "the factory". All I was told was that Hyundai corporate promised a new software revision some unspecified time in the future.
The last straw came when my car wouldn't pass emissions testing because of this problem and the dealer told me I was on my own (and now had to drive the car illegally without an emissions sticker). So, I filed under the lemon law in an attempt to force Hyundai to rectify the situation. My case was arbitrated through the better business bureau and they ruled in my favor. So now I'm getting out of the car. Actually, I wish Hyundai had just fixed the problem. This is bitter sweet for me - I liked my Sonata a lot. I certainly didn't like the post sales warranty and service support.
I do know that dealerships are seeing the same problem on other Sonatas and Santa Fes. I'm not aware of any US recall, though.
Tom
Thanks for your help.
TJDD
Go figure!
wow seems like you went through a whole lot with those O2 sensors... good thing you won the verdict!
for myself, the CEL was on and off for couple months and then eventually, it came on continuously for couple weeks so we decided to take it to our mechanic (not dealer).... at first, he informed me that it would be really expensive because both the front O2 sensors were problematic. Then he told me the good news that due to numerous problems in the US, consumers campaigned to have the dealers replace these sensors. I went into the dealer last week, and they replaced the two front O2 sensors and updated the ECM, which got rid of the CEL problem.
I'm not quite sure how this campaigning works but the dealer said that it's different from a recall. I don't think they actually "recall" the cars into the dealer to have the parts replaced but instead perform the necessary repairs, free of charge, if there's a problem with the part.
Anyway, the problem is solved now so hopefully, it'll be problem free for the next few years.
Steve
1. Turn the car off. Take the key out of the ignition.
2. Properly remove the fuel filler cap.
3. Properly fill up (e.g., don't overfill or cause an overflow).
4. Properly re-install the fuel filler cap.
#1 alone can be an issue in some cars.
OBD II has lots of these type issues. Most of it is tied to emissions-related issues and air pollution concerns.
What has your maintenance been like? Did you do the full 60K/4 yr service? If you are the 2nd or 3rd owner, have you checked all the service history to make sure all the work has been done?
Have you had all the recall and TSB work done on the car? Thinking there has been one, if not two, MAF sensor recalls.
Have you changed fuel source lately? Were you driving at a significantly different altitude? Was there a big temperature change?
My 2000 GLS V6 5-speed manual has always run like a top. But she only has 56K miles. (I just did the 60K/4 yr service. Set me back $1,000.)
The timing belt and labor for it runs a bit over $250. I can't wait for Hyundai to switch over to timing chains, that's a decent bit of money saved.
Thanks, we'll try that... how do I get one of the American flags... kinda neat.... Gotta keep up with the canadians...