2013 and Earlier - Hyundai Sonata Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • jlindhjlindh Member Posts: 282
    I just got home from the local Hyundai dealer with a new 2008 SE 5sp manual on an overnight test. The car has carpeted floor mats but no other options. The MSRP including destination is $20,280. I've been offered the car for $15,000 plus tax, title, and license.

    This seems to be an excellent deal to me. What do you experts think?
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Assuming it's new (not a demo with some miles on it), I think it's a very good deal. And a very rare car! I wonder how many new 2008 SE I4s there are for sale in the entire U.S. right now?
  • marauder73marauder73 Member Posts: 15
    $15,000 is a great price for an SE! Hurry up and get it if you haven't already. I paid $17,500 for the limited, so if you don't care about the extras, then you have yourself a terrific car.
  • gnomadgnomad Member Posts: 17
    That is a whole lot of car for $15K. Even if it's been a demo car, I'd say it's a pretty good deal. As long as you get the full warranty, does it matter that much who broke the car in? IIRC, the Se package is nicely equipped, even the base package is nicely equipped.
  • gnomadgnomad Member Posts: 17
    Since you have it overnight, try to find a gravel area or some other place to test the ESC. I tested mine in snow and was absolutely astounded at the difference it makes. I tried to get the Sonata sideways in a parking lot, wouldn't do it, turned off the ESC and it acted like most every other FWD car does in the slick. It's a bit choppy when it kicks in off the line, pulling away from a stoplight and the car kind of goes chop chop chop. Anyway, this is the first car I've had with full ESC and it's an eye opener.
  • findedeuxfindedeux Member Posts: 2
    I am in FL, looking at a 08 Sonata GLS (Grey Steel) with popular equipment package. The price with the package is 16,325 (not including tax, title, or dealer fee). This seems like a good deal as, even including rebate (of $ 3,000) it is below invoice. I also really want leather in the car and the dealer has offered to install it for $900. I have called up several dealers and the lowest they would go was $1000 with most of them saying it would actually be $1200. So how does $17,225 sound for a Sonata GLS with popular package and leather? Technically, it might be a little cheaper ($100 or so) as the quote was originally for a pearl white car and I decided I wanted the grey (though I really only like the silver :(

    So, 1) good deal, and 2) good color?

    Thanks
  • jlindhjlindh Member Posts: 282
    Update on the $15,000 SE.... The boss says she doesn't want any more standard transmissions at this stage of her life, so the SE is going back. The salesman says he'll do $4500 off any 2008 Sonata, so I'm headed back today to see what they have. I'm sure that is going to mean something more expensive, and I'll have to decide between a 2008 at $4500 off or a 2009 at $2000 off or so. Decisions, decisions...

    If someone wants the silver SE at $15,000, the dealer is Weisner Hyundai in Conroe, TX.
  • jlindhjlindh Member Posts: 282
    After yesterday's $15,000 + TTL deal for a 2008 SE with 5sp manual was aborted because my wife doesn't want any more standard transmissions, I cross shopped a couple of dealers and came away with this offer from the same dealer, MSRP -$5,500 + TTL for any 2008 Sonata Limited on the lot. I'm leaning toward a blue Limited 4cyl with floor mats only. The MSRP is $23,230, meaning the deal would be for $17,730 + TTL. What do you folks think??? They've also got a silver blue limited V6 with mats only with an MSRP of $25,050. That deal would come out to $19,550 + TTL.
  • mpansare1mpansare1 Member Posts: 29
    Hey folks - I'm getting a quoted price of $14,500 (includes the 3k rebate and freight) plus TTL on a new 2008 Sonata 4 cyl GLS 5spd manual (7 miles on the ODO). Only options are floormats and cargo mat. This is in Maryland - any comments? Can I do better? I'm going to make the deal tomorrow, please provide any feedback you can. Thanks!!!
  • marauder73marauder73 Member Posts: 15
    That's not a bad deal for a GLS. I paid about $3000 more for my limited version. So if you can live without the creature comforts, then go for it, it's a great car, and that's a very good price.
  • bluehillsbluehills Member Posts: 1
    I just bought a white 2008 Sonata GLS v4 manual out the door $14,600 in Ft Lauderdale, FL. Their website is coconutcreekhyundai.com , check their website for weekly Ads, they still have this vehicle advertised for $13,000. Good Luck.
  • mpansare1mpansare1 Member Posts: 29
    OK, so I got the car (08 Sonata GLS, 4 cyl, manual transmission, 'strippo', only options were cargo mat, cargo net and floor mats, XM radio 3 month sub - this is by default). Final cost before TTL was $14,300. Rebate was taxed (the 3K rebate was deducted after the full sales price...I guess this is required by law). This is in MD. No hassles, took about 1.5 hrs from test drive to getting out the door. Build date was Jun 07 (this tells me Hyundai has a lot of excess inventory, the ODO read 7 miles when I took it out for the drive). They are trying to complete the pass. airbag recall campaign today, so I don't have to bring it in again. Unfortunately I don't qualify for the military (500) and college grad (400) rebates, else I could've knocked another 900 off the price. Got 2 free oil changes too....
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    FWIW, I got an email from HMA the other day re the big deals on Sonatas. (I think I automatically got signed up for these emails when I entered a contest for a free Hyundai at my local auto show.) Anyway, the email noted that the big discounts on 2008 Sonatas would go away on April 30. That could be just typical marketing hype, since there will still probably be some 2008 Sonatas around come May 1 and dealers will need to get rid of them, but Hyundai may shift its rebate money more to the 2009s at that point. The dealer closest to me has no new 2008s on their lot, but a lot of 2009s. And I am seeing more an more ads for the 2009s in my local paper, with less mention of the 2008s.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Congrats on your new Sonata! The fact that it's been sitting since June with no test drives on it is more indicative of the lack of popularity of stick shifts in cars in this class, more than anything else IMO. But it was good for the dealer, though. All this time, they were able to use it for their "loss leader" advertising, e.g. "Sonatas starting at under $15,000!!" ;)
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Member Posts: 2,697
    Deals on the 2008s are not "going away" until they have no more to sell since the 2009s are out and the 2009s are more than just a model-year change. The 2009s are actually much nicer.
    Makes no sense to get a 2008 unless you get a really great deal on it.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    As I said, it could be just the usual marketing hype. I guess we'll know for sure around May 1 or 2. A lot depends on how many 2008 Sonatas are left after April 30. As I noted, at least some dealers are out. Another tactic Hyundai could use is to cut the public rebates on the 2008s (and increase them on the 2009s) while increasing the manufacturer-to-dealer money on the 2008s.
  • marauder73marauder73 Member Posts: 15
    The 2008s are still the best deal compared with the 2009s. Until the 2009s come out with a $3000 rebate they are just not worth it, IMO. There is at least $1000 increase in their base price, in most cases it's closer to $1500 and unless you can that $3K rebate plus work the price down, it is just too soon to buy one. Unless you are one of those that just have to have the latest and newest regardless of price. I doubt you will see huge price cuts until the start of next year on the 2009s, they still have lots of 2008s left, even some 2007s!
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    There is at least $1000 increase in their base price...

    Not quite--the GLS went up only $450. Is that too much to pay for the 5AT, much nicer interior, more power, better front seats, and improved ride and handling? I think it's pretty reasonable, since inflation alone went up about 3% in the past year--which would be a $600 increase on a $20k car. That means the much improved GLS actually increased in price less than the rate of inflation.

    There's also a $500 loyalty rebate on the 2009 Sonatas now, so if someone qualifies for that it's about a $2000 difference compared to the 2008s. I agree that it is a big difference, more than I would be willing to pay. But I think we'll see incentives increase on the 2009s after the 2008s are depleted. Sonata sales are off (while Elantras' are shooting up) and it's a tough market and tough economy, so I don't think we'll have to wait for next year for bigger incentives.
  • wolverinejoe80wolverinejoe80 Member Posts: 337
    hi guys,

    i just bought a elantra GLS 2 days ago here in Gurnee, Illinois. i've posted this message in elantra board and didn't really get any response yet. so here i go again.

    i bought the car from only local dealer here in gurnee, illinois. i think i got screwed big time. i haven't been this board for awhile, and i didn't know people are buying GLS for under 15k. i didn't have a time to research and i really needed to buy a car because my beater stopped in the middle of the road. i was sick of it, so i decided to be smart and buy a hyundai. i loved the fact that i don't have to worry about a thing for 10 years, and i loved the car when i rented few months ago.

    2008 white elentra GLS auto popular option pkg + mats + mudguard
    purchase price: $16789
    trade in : $700(1990 civic lx wagon)
    Sales tax 7%: $1138.48
    P.T.A tax: $5
    Registration (inc/title/lien/plate fee): $80.00
    Doc: $150
    electronic filing fee: $25.00
    Total Out-the-door: $17482.48

    no rebates instead I got 4.5% on 72 months

    basically i bought it for 17.5k OTD for GLS! i didn't get any rebates because i got 4.5% for 72 months. My credit score was 611 my wife’s(primary) was 650, but she is a grad student with no income. even if i didn't get the rebate, i still feel like i paid too much for the car. For that money i feel like i should be driving a sonata or at least SE with the ESC.

    i went back to the dealer today and showed this forum and how much people are paying and they wouldn't believe any of posts here. i got angry and i almost raised my voice, but i calmed down and told them that i will find out if it is true or not. they said it's impossible to buy elantra that cheap. they are(2 salesman plus the manager) basically saying that this board is full of liars. they laughed at the posts that i showed them. and they basically said to located any dealers where people can get the deal like that, so they can buy cars from them. they would be millionaires if they can buy cars so cheap like that. they even told me that even the used ones don't go low like that.

    from reading this board, people are buying gls for under 15k, and under 16.5k for SE. and that's a generous number.

    well, i'm here to ask you guys for a help. i don't know what to do, so please give me some advise. at this point, i don't even care about the money anymore. i just want to prove them wrong. I just want to do something because If I don’t, then I’m just settling for it. car buying should be fun, but i'm having no fun at all. My pride won’t allow it, but I don’t even mind trading this car tomorrow even if I’m losing 4000 bucks in negative equity. i paid almost 2500-3000 dollars more. most likely i'm gonna feel really bad about for a long long time.

    here is things i'm thinkin about going to do.

    1. could you any of you guys email me a copy of the sales receipt? I’ll post my email address if it’s ok to post my email or phone number. i want to show the reciept to the dealer.

    2.i'm thinkin about writing to hyundai. I don’t know what to say yet, but I want to let them hear my story. Yes, there are plenty of car buyers paid 500-1000 more than what others are paying. I can live with that. But it seems like I paid 3 grand more.
    3. i'm going to go to another hyundai and will try if i can buy a GLS 14.5k OTD.

    4. what would you guys do if you were in my situation?

    5. doesn't hyundai have any return policy? car only has 60 miles on it.. wish they had 7 day return policy like carmax..

    Yes, it’s all my fault that I didn’t do any research. i was too busy and i needed car, so i didn’t even think about it. maybe i should not have came to this board at all.. lol I did stay there for 7 hours to test drive every one of hyundai's and negotiate the price and payments, etc.

    by the way, i bought a santa fe from them 3 weeks ago. Yes, I bought 2 cars from them. lol
  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181
    4. what would you guys do if you were in my situation?

    What I would do is chalk this up to buying a car unprepared and paying the same thing as 50-70% of American buyers do. You didn't get screwed. There is absolutely no legal recourse for you either and trading it in at this point would just be throwing good money after bad. Be upset with yourself. I know this dealer you are referring to and it is one of those dealers that has a seperate sticker on the windows adding junk add-ons for crazy prices. One look at those extras should have sent you packing. There are probably 5 Hyundai dealers within 30 miles.

    I've also had dealers tell me that "nobody can sell these for that price---tell me who and we'll buy from em". Well, even if you did have an sales doc from someone---they still wouldn't match it. A lot of them just know somebody else will pay more.
  • craigbrookscraigbrooks Member Posts: 420
    You should just chalk this up as a lesson learned. Is the trade in noted in your figures the same one that died in the middle of the road? If so, they gave up probably $650 to you. Figuring that your trade in had an ACV (actual cash value) of $50 to the dealer. Maybe a $100 if it was running.

    The best thing you should do is drive the car, enjoy the car and pay it off early. By my calcs your payment is $277 prox.....pay $300 a month and pay it a few weeks early you'll save money that way.

    A good way to hurt the selling dealer is tell all your friends about this and they should shop elsewhere. BTW don't go back and confront them again this just gives them something to talk about. Save your energy for saving the whales or something.
  • sonata4lifesonata4life Member Posts: 20
    Well, I truly feel for you. Car buying is one of the sickest things and there is nothing much anyone can do other than just research on various sites and have a better handle on landing at a fair price or at least a price where we don't feel really bad after buying!

    If you are really hell bent on taking up the sales receipt and shoving it up their $%#, I can provide my 2008 Sonata Limited V6 receipt (not sure whether it will help you as I don't have an Elantra) with all the personal info blackened out.

    Btw, if you go to http://www.fitzmall.com/, what price does it quote for the Elantra with your exact specs? Probably, you can show them that site and tell them how much you got screwed! I didn't do any research on Elantras but 2008 Sonatas are selling for so less and these dealers scam the not-so-rich-but-really-hard-working-people - how can they even sleep at night? Mind boggling!
  • sonata4lifesonata4life Member Posts: 20
    Btw, I just keyed in 2008 Elantra GLS with popular equipment package + mats and the FitzMall says it's $13,217.00 (MSRP of $16,980.00) - see here for details - http://www.fitzmall.com/fitzway/carfind/RESULTSB.ASP?V_XREFID=R04H31895539391449- 90

    Maybe, you can show the dealer this site and tell them that they can become millionaires buying cars from them - sick jacks!
  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181
    Their reply would just be "well why don't you just drive to New Jersey and buy it then, nobody sells them for that around here". I say save the stress and just enjoy the car. $1500 bucks or so is a costly mistake but it's certainly not the end of the world. Lots of people make a lot worse ones, look at the real estate market.

    If a dealer senses that you are in a jamb or a hurry for a new car it is like blood in the water.
  • wolverinejoe80wolverinejoe80 Member Posts: 337
    its more like $3400.. too bad i didn't do any research.. my budget 3 weeks ago was around 35k.. i did research on many cars, but i never even bothered researching on cars under 20k.. i went in to save money, save payments and feel free for next 10 years on a good reliable car... i got a good car, but hate the fact that i got ripped off.
  • wolverinejoe80wolverinejoe80 Member Posts: 337
    any illinois sonata buyers here?
  • chuck1chuck1 Member Posts: 1,405
    We have all made financial mistakes. Don't beat yourself up over it. Just enjoy your new car. And when it comes to buying anything that takes negotiation - the best rule to remember is "no one is your "friend". They are there to separate you from as much of your money is possible." May be pessimistic, but it's true!
  • lennyyulennyyu Member Posts: 8
    I think i pay too much for my 09 GLS too,

    almost 18500 after tax and all the fee plus my trade in. (1000 for the trade)
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    What was the price before taxes, license, fees, and trade-in? What was the MSRP of the car, including destination?

    There's only a $1000 general rebate on the 2009 Sonata (and $500 loyalty), so great deals will be hard to come by on them right now. They're not at the fire-sale prices of the 2008s.
  • lennyyulennyyu Member Posts: 8
    The MSRP of the car is 20,700 something. price before tax fee and trade in was 17500.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    So it looks to me like you got the car for well under invoice, depending on which rebates you qualified for. So, what's the problem?
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    I keep seeing people on this forum got 08 sonata at a much cheaper price sometime even the SE edition. so i am not sure if my deal is good. I just hope i got it for average price.

    I bought the car less than 2 hour from the moment i saw the 09 model.
  • lennyyulennyyu Member Posts: 8
    I think i only got the 1000 rebate, for the 09 GLS, after tax, fee, license and my trade the cost of the car out of the door price is 20,000 dollar

    and I keep seeing people on this forum got 08 sonata at a much cheaper price sometime even the SE edition. so i am not sure if my deal is good. I just hope i got it for average price.

    I bought the car less than 2 hour from the moment i saw the 09 model.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Apples to oranges. There's a $3000 rebate on the 2008s, plus dealers are routinely offering them at well below invoice (below rebates) to clear them out. The 2009 is a much improved car over the 2008, and discounts aren't as big on the 2009s right now.
  • gnomadgnomad Member Posts: 17
    Not much to be done, really. The Elantra was a nice car too, and I was looking at them fairly seriously.....with the rebate situation the OTD was only $500 more for the Sonata.

    Unless you are a pro, at some point on some deal you are going to get screwed. And in reality, you didn't really get screwed. Try to buy any other car on the market with the equipment level of an Elantra, or any Hyundai for that matter. You'll never get a Cobalt to that level at any price, the Sentra i looked at was similar but was a $20K car, the Focus was $19K and not nearly as comfortable for me as the elantra, or for that matter the old Focus, a similar Corolla is going to run about $19K, so you paid more than you like, maybe more than you needed to but it's only money and letting it eat at you won't put a single dime back in your pocket. Enjoy the car! ;)
  • southhavenjensouthhavenjen Member Posts: 22
    I live in Michigan, but I traveled to the Chicagloand area to purchase my Sonata. I used Ettleson Hyundai in Countryside.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    I used Ettleson Hyundai in Countryside.

    you have my deepest sympathies.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • feldy6feldy6 Member Posts: 4
    I bought the other white GLS I4 manual they had on their lot 5 weeks ago for $12,995 as per their ad. Great deal. Dealership was no BS also.
  • southhavenjensouthhavenjen Member Posts: 22
    Whatever. I got a great deal from Ettleson, no BS. Price was well under invoice.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    Sorry I wouldn't buy a stick of gum from Ettleson. He used to own a Chevy dealership (with a partner) that had a lot of controversial practices.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • dabears3dabears3 Member Posts: 3
    Regarding the previous posts - I really think all dealerships are sketchy in some way, that's just the way it is.

    Here's my recent purchase: I live in Chicago and this weekend I bought a 2007 Sonata with all the fixin's except sunroof (woodtrim, steering wheel controls, cruise etc...). Purchase price was $14,300 before TTL - car has 6400 miles.

    I love it and feel like I got a good deal, however the dealership, like most, was trying to grind me down for every extra penny they could get.

    I bought the car from Patrick Hyundai in Schaumburg, IL. All these places play games - after we settled on price they told me that they only had one set of keys. If I wanted a second set (of course I did) it would cost $6 for the key and an additional $212 for the keyless entry remote (100 for remote and 112 for the programming of the remote). I almost walked out - I threw a fit and basically called them out on that B.S. tactic although I ended up paying $56 for the extra key (guy said he would give me the remote for free and 'split the cost' of the programming). I know this was all B.S. and I could have probably got it all for free but at that point I just wanted to close the deal up. Their whole mission is to wear you down, grinding you out for every penny.

    So that's my story - I love the car it drives like a dream. I hate dealing with salesmen though, it's the only part that makes buying a car a bit painful.
  • southhavenjensouthhavenjen Member Posts: 22
    I expect pretty much all dealers to be shady, but was pleasantly surprised and pleased with the process of buying from Ettleson.
  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181
    I really think all dealerships are sketchy in some way, that's just the way it is.

    To some degree but there are those that are a lot better than others. One thing is to try to grind out every dollar(isn't that the same thing the customer is trying to do) and the other is to outright lie. When you read about all the lies that customers tell on these forums to get that last $50 to $100 off and then get downright indignant when a dealer tries to get that last $50 to $100 in profit, it seems a little hypocritical sometimes. What other major item do we buy where we know the invoice price and even demand that we also get the dealer's hold back.(I never have but I have seen posts that do)

    When we buy a house do we call the builder a shyster because we don't know his exact cost and what his margins are. I know it's a two way street and dealers didn't get their reputations for nothing but it seems with the advent of the internet that we really expect a lot sometimes.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    As I said when he had the Chevy dealership I heard enough horror stories to stay away from anything that has his or his former partners name on it. And I don't mean your typical shady dealings I mean out right fraud.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • bob225bob225 Member Posts: 46
    I was looking at a 2008 Elantra SE with Premium Pkg with MSRP of $18265 and would go down to 15.7k,

    Dealer said I could get a better deal on 2008 Sonota AT. Automatic 4 cyl.and perfered pkg. MSRP of $ 19,680 will sell for $ 15,454. Plus TT&L This included mudflaps, truck net and matts. You guys think I can get it down to $ 15k even?
  • jim1299jim1299 Member Posts: 16
    To me the biggest thing about buying a car is the variability of treatment you encounter from the dealerships. I know that where you are in the month and how desperate the dealership is to make its sales quota is a factor, but still it seems almost random how one buyer can have a nightmare experience haggling over every dollar, while another can have a great purchase even if not the most informed buyer.
    I'd imagine (based on some posts here) that both experiences could be had at the same dealership.

    As I related earlier this month, I fell into the latter category this time around. Yes, I typically research prospective major purchases to the nth degree, but frankly hadn't done much research on Hyundai's per se since I was more 'checking the box' of a test drive and establishing a baseline before moving onto more mainstream choices (Honda and Toyota). Three hours of test drives ('08 vs '09, I4 vs V6) later I appeared to have lucked into a 'too good to be true' deal on an '09 Sonata Limited V6 (priced $500 less than an '09 LImited 4 cylinder!) I went home and asked the Costco buyer's service for a quote which came in over $2500 higher, and thus rather than testing other makes (which at best would have been 'as good' but for waaay more money) went back to the dealership the next afternoon to seal the deal before that particular vehicle (the showroom demo) disappeared. Noticed that the "Internet price" (this was at Fitzgerald Auto mall) price on the car's sticker was $400 more than the current price on the Internet for the vehicle, and expected to be told the sticker was correct. Was told instead that 'of course' they'd go with the current 'Net price. Encountered only one half-hearted and almost perfunctory attempt to interest me in gap insurance or an extended warranty during closing, and then was out the door in the new car. (Going late in the day-- such that the mechanics of the purchase processed dragged beyond closing time-- may have accounted for some of the staff's eagerness to finish the deal and go home!)

    I guess that as in the rest of life you can be 'good' or 'lucky', but that doesn't make the experience any less frustrating.

    Karma probably dictates that I'll pay more that MSRP for my next car, so I'd better make this Sonata last! ;)
  • bob225bob225 Member Posts: 46
    What kind of extended warraty can you get or need on these cars?
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Can you be a little more clear what options are on this car? There's no such thing as a "preferred pkg", and the lowest priced package, Popular Equipment Package, costs $650 and makes the MSRP of the car over $20k. Without any options except AT and mats/guards/net, the invoice is nearly $16k so you would be asking for about $1000 under invoice after rebate. Possible? Maybe. They may have some incentives to make it worth their while. Why not make the dealer a firm offer for $15k + TT&L? If they say "OK", you have yourself a car. If they say "no way," you can thank them for their time, say you'll be checking other dealers, and leave. If they go after you, you have a chance. If not, you know $15k is too low--at least for now.
  • bob225bob225 Member Posts: 46
    this option:


    Popular Equipment Package
    - Power driver seat
    - Steering wheel audio controls
    - Driver’s lumbar support
    - Automatic light control
    - Trip computer
    - Chrome window belt moldings
    - Metalgrain accents (gray interior)
    - Woodgrain accents (beige interior)
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    OK, so the MSRP of the 2008 Sonata with the PEP and mats/flaps/net is $20,405, invoice is $19,519. So you are shooting for $1519 under invoice after rebate. Like I said, make them a firm offer and see what they say. They could say yes...
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