2013 and Earlier - Hyundai Sonata Prices Paid and Buying Experience

m6user

Isn't New Hampshire one of those states with no sales tax? If that is true, that could account for $1500-$2000 of the price difference. Only residents of NH would be able to take advantage of it though. If there was no mistake on the LTD w/navi bid from Stateline, you may want to go with Towne as from what I can see on their website, they are discounting the navi and non-navi models the same. You happen to live very close to one the few dealers(Towne) in the country that offer Sonatas for $1900 below legitimate invoice before the rebate. People have driven hundreds of miles to buy from them to save anywhere from $500-2000 or more than they can get locally where they live. Give them a call or go there. You said it was only 70 miles. Some people drive further than that to work everyday.

njalan

Thanks m6user. I might be comparing an apple with an orange this time. I will do two things tomorrow: 1) verify the numbers with Stateline and 2) discuss with Towne after I get their quote.

dontt

Can someone please tell me if I am getting a good deal. I have to respond by tomorrow or the quotation will not be valid anymore. $22500 OTD for the Limited V4 without the nav system. The tax rate here is 7%. Thanks.

m6user

Depending on how much the dealer doc fees rum in your area(they can run from as low as 89 to as high as 600 from what I've seen) Anything around between $21500 and $22500 out the door is a good deal depending on how much that fee is. Depends on where you live as well and how much competition there is. You could be getting a fantastic deal in some areas of the country and an average deal in others.

Anyway you look at it you are getting a decent deal and not shafted.

njalan

I just finished calling Stateline Hyundai (NJ) to go over the detailed quote they sent me yesterday. The OTD for a 2009 Limited L-4 without navigation stands at $22058.58 which includes floor mats and cargo tray. If you are a NJ resident, the $22500 as quoted might not be the best price.

Also, for the Limited L-4 with navigation, Stateline only offers $1000 below the invoice discount (vs $1900 for without navigation). So, the difference is due to option on the car, not a typo.

dontt

Thanks for the feedback. I live in FL and the quote is from Fitzmall.

bhmr59

Effectively, Stateline is charging $2037 for the NAV. (invoice price of $1137 + $900 more for the car)

If I "had to have" NAV, I could go for a top of the line Garmin portable unit for well under $1,000.

2002slt

"Effectively, Stateline is charging $2037 for the NAV."

That's still less than what GM charges for theirs. And, it's not even half as functional as the Hyundai's. :shades:

Also, the stand alone units are a PITA to mount w/o obstructing something. I would gladly pay more than twice as much for something that's built into the dash.

m6user

I would gladly pay more than twice as much for something that's built into the dash.

I certainly like the looks of a navi built in but don't like the cost. I have a portable unit that I mount on a friction mat on the dash when I take a trip into unknown territory. My Magellan works great and cost about $300 bucks and has bluetooth for the phone built in. My point is that I only use it seldomly, maybe 5% of the time, and it doesn't take up room on(or in) my dash 95% percent of the time.

I can see that for someone using their car for business calling on clients or constantly traveling etc that a built-in would be a lot better. It depends on user needs and willingness to spend the money as to which makes more sense.

njalan

The point presented by bhmr59, 2002slt and m6user on the optional nav all appears to have its own merit. It boils down to personal preference.

I called Towne (NJ) this morning to find out if they also offer less discount on cars with nav. The internet manager was not there but I was able to talk to a sales person. He said the discount is the same ($1900 below invoice) with or without nav. I then asked him to email a detailed quote (promised by the internet manager yesterday) to me showing the DOT with the nav and one without the nav. I have not received the detailed quote yet.

If Towne offers the same discount ($1900) on cars with nav, this means the nav can be had for $1137. That certainly would please a lot of people while not upsetting the rest. Will keep you all posted.

nhphd

Yes I got it 21500 OTD with floor mat, cargo mat and cargo net. With GPS and moon roof deflector all for 21500. I also paid everything by credit card that no dealer accepts that. I am in NH and pay 0% tax but the registeration fee is high. I paid $462 for a year. Email me at hajimow@yahoo.com if you want me to get the same deal. I will get $100 referral fee :=)

bhmr59

Without getting into the pros & cons of built-in vs portable, the point is that Stateline is not offering as good a deal on the NAV equipped cars.

Hyundai's MRSP for NAV is $1250. But, Stateline is charging $2037 more for a NAV equipped car than they charge for an identically equipped (except for NAV) Sonata. That's $1137 invoice price of NAV plus a $900 premium.

2002slt

I know, and my point was that it is still a good deal.

nhphd

I agree. Since the MSRP for nav is 1250, I believe you should not pay more than $1000 for a car that has Nav. For $1000 difference , you might change your mind if you want to go with an installed Nav or not. If you have an installed Nav, when you are listening to music, the volume of music goes down when Nav wants to say the directions. 80% of Limited cars come without NAV so that is why it makes cars with nav is a little bit hard to find. Actually many people go without Nav because of the price. Alos many people go with GLS instead of SE or limited because of the price.

njalan

At about 9:00 p.m. yesterday I received a revised detailed quote from the internet manager at Stateline (NJ).

In the cover note he wrote (I quote): "...Here at Stateline Hyundai we work hard to please each and every customer. Our Internet Deals are real. Also I talked to my General Manager and will honor the $1900 discount on the nav equipped Sonata as well."

"Here are the out the door prices...
2009 Hyundai Sonata Limited (NO NAV) $22004.58
2009 Hyundai Sonata Limited (NAV SYS) $23106.45"

On the other hand, I have yet to receive any quote from Towne (NJ), even though I emailed both dealers at about the same time and followed up by calling Towne yesterday morning.

njalan

Sorry, I jumped the gun and was excited when I composed my last writing on the forum. The OTD price ($22004.58) for Ltd without NAV includes floor mats ($73) and cargo tray ($74) while the OTD ($23106.45) for Ltd with NAV includes no such options. This accounts for $156.22 of the difference (NJ tax included) and makes the NAV version look more attractive.

nhphd

Your Nav price is about $2000 more than I paid. I paid 21500 with NAV OTD. It also had floor mat, margo mat, cargo net, moonroof deflector.

njalan

Yes, there is a difference; however, about $1581 of the difference pertains to NJ sales tax which is unavoidable for me. All in all I think your deal is sweeter by about $250. But it would save a NJ resident time and cost going to NH to get that deal.

m6user

Actually many people go without Nav because of the price. Alos many people go with GLS instead of SE or limited because of the price.

We are on a Hyundai forum. I would dare say the majority, maybe not all, of people buying Hyundais are very price concious shoppers so I don't see the revelation in these statements.

rhonas

+1 You are right, that's why I went with the GLS form Stateline NJ and don't regret for a moment, neither the car or pricing (I checked in the 400 miles radius)

nhphd

Oh I did not know that it includes NJ tax. It does not make sense to come to NH to get a deal. Even if you buy in NH, you have to pay NJ tax in NJ. I would recommend you to get another quote from Towne Hyundai. Their price was 21133 for me not including doc fee and ....
Another point is that almost 90% of the cars come with floor mat and many times with moonroof deflector. Don't let the dealer overcharge you for those. I believe if you get $250 off the price for Nav case, and add floor mat, it would be a nice deal.

nhphd

We are on a Hyundai forum. I would dare say the majority, maybe not all, of people buying Hyundais are very price concious shoppers so I don't see the revelation in these statements.

I think you are saying exactly what I said. I said many buyers are price concious and they want to squeeze the price by not going with NAV and that is why over 80% of the limited cars coming out of factory have no NAV.

fountainpen108

paid Fitzmall 16186(16167+19 for temp tag)>Taking the Car Sonata GLS with auto and mats enroute to Kentucky from Philly
gave finance manager certified check.
She said they will only mail me the Certificate of Origin once the check clears>
Is that a normal practice?
That would mean I cant register the car in Kentucky right away.
Thanks,as this is my first car,I have no experience re car purchase.

m6user

The temp tags should be good for at least 30 days. That should give you plenty of time to get your cert of origin and register in your new state. Most states give you at least 30 days to register. Check with Kentucky title authorities.

bob225

That would be correct. I just did the same thing. They gave me temp. registration. In a about 2 weeks I got my Certificate. I had to take it and bill of sale to DMV. What I didn't realize is that I had to pay tax for the full purchase price which includes the rebate. Which was the $15,200 plus $2,000 rebate for my Elantra SE. In about a week I recieved my Title.

m6user

Sales tax is always going to be collected one way or the other. Paying your state of residence sales tax at time of registration is the most common. Paying the sales tax on the negotiated price before any rebates is also the most common from what I've experienced and read about.

nhphd

Rebate works this way:
When you buy a car for 22000 with 2000 rebate, you are actually buying it 24000 and the dealer asks you to sign a letter that he can use that check toward your balance. In NH,the registeration does not care how much yo bought. They have a table for each car. Hyundai limited 2009 has 24K lited value.

m6user

Isn't that what I just said. "You are taxed on the negotiated price of the car before applying the rebate". I believe there are some states that don't charge tax on the amount of the rebate but I'm not positive on that one.

By the way, you don't have to sign that letter which basically turns it into additional down payment. You could actually finance the entire $24000 and wait for your check but that doesn't make a lot of sense. It's just what everyone does as it's a lot easier that way. NH does not have sales tax so this doesn't even apply to you anyway.

The chart you're referring to is a fee for title/tags. Some states charge hundreds of dollars each year for tags based on the "charted" value of the vehicle. Indiana is one that charges for tags based on the vehicles value and it is depreciated over the years. Then when you buy a new car you get socked again. Michigan used to price tags on the weight class of the vehicle but I think they changed that some time ago. Illinois, where I live, charges $79 per year for passenger vehicle. They used to charge based on number of cylinders your engine has but they stopped that a few years ago and now it's a flat fee.

backy

Yes, it's true that some states figure tax after the rebates are applied--MN for one.

nhphd

My statement was not in disagreement with what you said. Actually was confirmining what was said before and explaining the case more. You are right. I paid $462.5 for my car registeration in NH.It was only for one year.

richard1954

I am trying to lease a 2009 Hyundai Sonata GLS 4-cylinder 39/12 with AT and popular equipment pkg (02) I live in Nassau county, New York. I want to put all fees and taxes into the payment except first month and DMV. I also want dealer installed leather as the factory does not offer for this type of Sonata. FROM EXPERIENCE WHERE WILL I GET THE BEST DEAL AND PICK IT UP JUNE 30?

ALSO EVERYONE NEEDS TO KNOW THAT MILLENIUM HYUNDAI IN HEMPSTEAD LONG ISLAND NEW YORK IS DESPICABLE AND TYPICAL BAIT AND SWITCH ARTISTS I KNOW FROM HAVING BEEN IN THE BUSINESS A FEW YEARS AGO WITH MB FOR MANY YEARS AND I KNOW MOST OF THE INS AND OUTS

vicmeldrew1

well, considering that NH has no state sales tax i would not be complaining; here in NE we have sales tax and high annual care fees; my 05 mustang just cost me 392 dollars and my first year 09 sonata registration was 350. so all in all it comes out in the wash and you have it better than many when you consider the big picture.

lmvine1

I just checked the Hyundai site & the rebate on the GLS & SE (only ones I checked) & the rebate is now $3000. Last week it was $1500.

Obviously due to slow economy, etc

backy

I think you must have seen the rebate for the 2008 Sonata, which has been $3000 for some time. The general rebate on the 2009 Sonata is still $1500.

lmvine1

Yes, my bad. I clicked on the 2009 build your own & it came up as a 2008. Later I noticed & was just about to correct when you beat me to it.

Maybe $3K soon.

moocow1

Honestly I kinda doubt $3k. Maybe $2k if lucky. Because hyundai is already providing a lot of dealer incentives. There's a reason dealers can sell at $1900 under invoice and still make a profit.

nearphila

I highly recommend Stateline Hyundai in Phillipsburg, NJ, just across the river from Easton, PA, and yesterday bought an '09 Sonata GLS 4cyl automatic w/PEP (and floor and cargo mats) there. Thanks to those on the forum who alerted me to them!

From the first email, when they provided a detailed quote with all the numbers, to the sale yesterday, they handled it like a car sale should be handled. Including a test drive, they had me in and out of there yesterday in no more than 45 minutes. All numbers were exactly as set forth in their email - no surprises.

It is an hour away from me, but they beat my local dealers by at least $800 and had the Slateblue color we wanted, so it was well worth the trip up there.

Here are the numbers:
20,900 MSRP
20,230 Invoice
(1,900) Discount
(1,500) Rebate
1,010 PA tax 6% (no tax on rebate or discount)
135 PA tag
199 Doc fee
18,174 Out the door price

Additionally, they provided a $100 gas card as indicated on their website.

I'll gladly provide the "no pressure" and very good salesman's name and info if you email me (I would get a referral fee if you buy there).

2002slt

"Here are the numbers:
20,900 MSRP
20,230 Invoice"

Invoice is about $250 higher than it should be on a $20,900 MSRP Sonata? What other options do you have besides the two you mentioned? Just the floor and cargo mats bring MSRP closer to $20,200. :confuse:

nearphila

2002SLT:

Window sticker is as follows:

19320 MSRP - standard features
+ 650 PEP
+90 Floor mats
+90 Cargo mat
+675 Inland freight & handling
20825 Final MSRP

I did have mud flaps installed, so that could account for $80 difference between $20,230 invoice number on paperwork and (20825 minus 675 freight = 20150).

njalan

I think the deal nearphila got included $250 advertising cost imposed by the dealer, because I received two detailed quotes for the Limited 4 from Stateline both showing it.

marks19

I just noticed that the Sonata rebates went up to $2000 for July. How likely is it that it will increase again in August? Wait or not?

Thanks.

m6user

Unlikely. Maybe in October depending on how many they sell in the meantime.

marcogallo1986

would get a 2008 leftover willl get $1000 mor on rebates the price that poster got at stateline was a grate price on his car. but a 2009 is grate to. I would wate till next year never bye the first moddle change of any car good luck guys just putting in my 2 sence have a real grate day and thankyou for reading.

moocow1

Um, grammar/spell check good k thx. This is not a model change, there was some major interior freshening and some improvements. This is a good year to buy as it's the 3rd year since model change. And to me now, a 2008 is crap compared to 2009 unless you really want a far poorer interior.

nhphd

Let me give you the best answer. Yes, most probably in August you may get better deal than July and in October you may get better deal than August and in November you will get better deal than Auguts and on and on... The matter is that how long you wanne wait? I am sure that in March 2009, when 2009 Sonata is on sale with 3000 rebate, everyone would tell you "don't buy 2009 model, buy 2010 model, 2009 model looks like [non-permissible content removed] !! and then this process will continue and you will never buy a car.

moocow1

Well unlike the 2008 to 2009 change, the 2010 model I expect very few changes. The only big possible change is gonna be the new microsoft system...which I expect is more likely 2011.

snoopy185

How long does Hyundai typically stick with a particular body style? The current Sonata is already in its 4th year. I was hoping that the 2010 model might sport a new skin, perhaps being introduced in Spring '09. Is this not likely?

backy

No, it is not likely given Hyundai just did a major refresh of the Sonata for the 2009 MY. The last Sonata design lasted 6-1/2 years, from late 1998 to early 2005, with a major refresh after year 3. The last Elantra design lasted six years, with a refresh after year 3. The last Accent, six years. So based on history, I would not expect a redesign for the Sonata before the 2012 MY, maybe in early 2011. Just a supposition, but with some backing based on Hyundai's track record.

moocow1

I do remember a set of charts from hyundai showing two different "24/7" change periods where they'd redesign 7 cars within 24 hours. I think the Sonata may be at the end of the new 24/7 change period. Meaning 2011/2012 would be likely for a new Sonata design. If you're gonna buy a Sonata, I'd say do it now. $2000 with $1000-1900 under invoice is a nice deal. And if you're a previous owner, it's really worthwhile with the extra 500. Previous owner rebates are limited and usually disappear after a while.

backy

24 months, right? And they actually did 8 new vehicles or redesigns within 24 months, starting in the fall of 2004 with the Tucson. But I guess 7x24 was more catchy.