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Thanks for the reply. I was afraid that it might be longer than 2010. Hyundai sure seems to produce a particular body longer than most of the competition. However, this would lower their costs, which they can then pass along to us.
My '05 was purchased in 4/05. The '06s came generally available in 6/05. So, in less than 3 years my '05 was 5 model years old.
This is not typical of Hyundai. While they usually keep a model year for 12 months +/-, they wanted to get their new plant up & running for the '06's and were probably anxious to respond to consumer feed back when bringing out the '09s.
I think they were trying to respond to the market. Heck, six months ago people on this forum were speculating that the Azera was dead because the '08s "hadn't hit the dealers yet." The '08 Azera became readily available in late January--about 5 months ago.
My point is the gap between Sonata & Accord,etc will again widen when the other 2009s come out. Unless there is a more serious economic downturn, I expect it will be a while before Hyundai goes to $3K rebate - near end of moder year?
YMMV.
The car inself is so much better than my 06 Accord in every criteria exept depreciation rate. Sonata is quieter and faster. Actually, I would buy Sonata over Accord even if the price was the same. Honda, plz silence your Accord and don't cut corners too much! Accord looks nice at first but the longer I used, the more I can find their cost reduction in everywhere!
BTW, how much is usually the price difference betwwen GLS and Limited for 4 cylinders? I shoulda looked at Limited trim levels, too. soo many options for a litte(?) more money..hmm..
Yes, there is a law that states no car can be sold without a full tank of gas. Email Gov. Arnie immediately.
Enjoy the car.
--jjf
I sold my 06 Accord SE for $15,800 in private market and bought 09 Sonata for $15,100 today. The Sonata is 09 4 cylinder GLS in pearl white without any optiions but floor mats. I paid $15,100 with $2,000 rebate and $400 graduation rebate included. I had to finance at least $5,000 through Hyundai to get that graduation rebate. The total OTD price was $16,703.26 in Orange county in California. What do you guys think of this deal? Oh, one gripe is they only filled my gas tank to 1/4! not even half! Isn't it against the policy or some kinda the law? I thought all dealerships are supposed to fill up the gas to full. So, add about $50 to my price
The car inself is so much better than my 06 Accord in every criteria exept depreciation rate. Sonata is quieter and faster. Actually, I would buy Sonata over Accord even if the price was the same. Honda, plz silence your Accord and don't cut corners too much! Accord looks nice at first but the longer I used, the more I can find their cost reduction in everywhere!
BTW, how much is usually the price difference betwwen GLS and Limited for 4 cylinders? I shoulda looked at Limited trim levels, too. soo many options for a litte(?) more money..hmm..
BTW, that was an excellent price you got on the GLS auto.
On the gas... the surveys that Hyundai will send you about your buying experience are VERY important to the dealers and salespeople. So when you get your survey, you could call the sales rep and say, "I'd like to give you top marks on the survey, but it kind of bugs me that the tank was only 1/4 full when I bought the car." And see what they do.
Maybe, I shoud've opted for Limited b/c I am spending $2,000 anyway for aftermarket leather, tinted windows and 17" alloy wheels. Too late now.
Now, if the price isn't adjusted in the next week or so, I'd begin to wonder...
I guess my comment was not strictly pointed at Sonata/Hyundai dealers but at car dealers in general.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMu9HSsYF9E
I wondered why the daughter did not come with her mother to pick up the car and more importantly, to review the contract before signing. To me, she got away with a steal.
What was the MSRP on the window sticker for the 09 Sonata you bought.It sounds like there must have been great Factory to Dealer incentives to get it for the price you did.
You'd probably like this one (not): saw an ad for a 2009 GLS that at first glance looks to be about $1000 less than in ads from other dealers in town. Then I noticed some very small print down in the corner of the ad: "Price includes military rebate" [which is $1000]. Now that is sleazy, I think, since few people in my area will qualify for that rebate. :P
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/financing/specialoffers/collegegraduate.aspx
The web page says in part:
A four-year university, an accredited two-year college, or nursing school. Includes graduates and graduate candidates attending an accredited masters or doctorate program. Applicants must be graduates of U.S. universities. Visit your participating Hyundai dealer for details.
My question:
Should I fight them for $400 if they don't honor that rebate and make them pay that amount out of their pocket since we agreeded on the price of $15,100 on the contract? I don't know. They kept implying that the rebate is directly from Hyundai and they don't bear any consequence it bears with. But my support is that since dealers conduct business on behalf of Hyundai and we already signed the contract for $16,7000 OTD price, I think they should be liable what ever on the contract. What do you guys think?
Thanks in advance.
It doesn't matter what make. It doesn't matter if it's a high end or low end car they're selling.
And I know there are many car salesmen and dealers pa(trolling) this site, and I say to you, if you're the 1.7% of the exception that isn't 'scum of the earth,' congratulations and kudos.
I've had a very good interaction with a Hyundai dealership (recently), although I haven't made the decision to buy the car at excellent price quoted just yet.
I've also had a great experience at a Honda dealership about 8 years ago, where I called about a sale price advertised on an Accord that seemed too good to be true, the salesman told me it was real and to just come in and there'd be no games, I did, and there weren't. Not a single one. He wrote the contract up at the advertised price, with a vehicle that had more equipment than advertised (because they didn't have any of the advertised cars left - so it was consumer friendly bait-and-switch), and the whole process took an hour, tops, and I still send business to him when people I know or know of are looking for any Honda.
Very refreshing.
Other than, that, it's been bad, bad, bad. Terrible. I'd rather have a root canal than deal with car salesmen.
* Legal (I am NOT a lawyer; you might want to check with one): the contract is a contract of adhesion. That means the other party had total control over its terms. That means if the other party disputes the contract terms, they are normally decided in your favor since you did not have control over the terms.
* Business ethics and fairness: the dealer could easily have checked (and SHOULD have checked) the rebate terms before agreeing to give you the discount. They didn't, but they did agree on a price with you. They should honor that price. Maybe it will be a good lesson for them and they will check the rebate terms in the future!
* Exceptions: did you sign anything that says something to the effect of, "If there are any errors found in the contract after it's signed, both parties agree to correct them"? I recall the last time I bought a car, that was part of the paperwork. If you signed such a document, you may be out of luck on the legal angle but can still appeal to the dealership on the ethics/fairness issue. Maybe toss in comments like, "I'll be servicing this car and buying other cars in the future, and would like to be able to give you my business, but if you can't honor our agreement, I would not feel comfortable doing business with you in the future."
Although, if you're in a giving mood, or if you'd like a pleasant resolution in regards to future dealings with them (service on the car or whatever), you could always offer a counter--maybe offer up something if they throw in gas for a month or two, or something similar.
In fact, tell them that you will contact an attorney, and pursue a consumer claims act violation (statutory, based on state law), if they contact you again.
IN FACT, tell them rather than call you, they must call your attorney. Under consumer act cases, if a business violates the law, they must pay your attorney fees.
There is no way they can get a 'do-over' on a done deal.
Do you think that poor guy who just bought a GLS Sonata have an attorney? Who do you think he is? Donald Trump? !!
My suggestion to him is to go and politely talk to them and resolve the issue. Meanwhile check the other dealers and see whether you can get that $400 or not and if you get a better deal and if they insist on that $400 and you feel that you should not pay that, cancel the whole contract as they did partially.
I think you should wait until after their Thursday meeting to hear what they have to say first. If indeed Hyundai does not offer the $400 college rebate on the 2009 Sonata, then it was really an honest mistake because they were so eager to sell you the car without first checking if the college rebate was applicable to the 2009 car. Both sides should be allowed the same right to rectify an unintentional error. Keep in mind that the dealer might not even make $400 on your deal. If you insist on not paying the $400 back and threaten legal action, the dealership might or might not go along with you. Let's say they give in and you end up not paying an extra dime. The dealership could deduct the commission ($100 to $150) due the salesman, or ask the responsible party (who approved the college rebate initially) to cough up the money. The dealership is not in business to lose money and someone is likely to suffer as a result of this inadvertent error.
Here I would like to share with you my personal experience on an auto deal 21 years ago. I bought a leftover 1987 Sable in 1987. My wife and I were at the dealership for more than 4 hours trying to get the best deal. Finally we got what we thought was a good deal, and signed the contract, paid and took the car home the same day. The next day the salesman called me and invited me back saying there was an error on the invoice. As it turned out there was a $300 math error in my favor because all the figures and computations were done manually in those days. The poor guy told me he only got $50 (the minimum at that time) and the dealership did not make any profit on my car. I could choose not to believe him and walked out. But I did write a $300 check and have the salesman corrected the invoice. The important thing I asked myself at that time was: Did he make a mistake? I knew I got a good deal without counting the $300 and that was the bottom line.
There is a good chance Hyundai would honor the $400 college on the 2009 car. If not, just pay the $400 back (or negotiate with them for a lower amount). You will feel good and sleep peacefully because deep down in your heart you know you got a fantastic deal to begin with. You have at least 40 years to make up the $400.
What I find interesting about that is, if you look at the description of the graduate rebate program at hyundaiusa.com, it specifically says only MY 2007 and 2008 vehicles are eligible. But the car photo (a big one) on this page is of the 2009 Sonata. :surprise: Someone at HMA is really mixed up. Maybe it's no surprise their dealers are mixed up too!
I have a suspicion that the web page is out of date though, because it says the rebate was good only through June 2.
My action will depend on their manner in which they carry this issue.
The Sandman
If you didn't engage in either, they'll have to eat the loss, ASSUMING there is one on Hyundai's or the dealer's end.
If you are confident the salesperson is going to take a financial hit - and let me just say, I find that a tremendous stretch, but if you do - make right with him or her. That can be as simple as giving him/her $50.
Just make sure you're being told the truth or you may be the one getting conned.
You can go to the dealer and hope you still can get a good 15600 deal on the car. They don't want another $1000 (it seems) and going to F.Lee Bailey and spending the next 2 years in court has a limited return.
I assume you have emailed 8 or so dealers for their best price and this is the best.
Go down there prepared to pay 400 more. Ask what the deal is with our contract? You qualify for the 400. If this specifies a VIN# ask what the deal is. If no Vin # then not as good.
Get them to write up the new contract. See smell, feel, the VIN and car you are going to get. Test drive the car. If it truly is only 400 more initial the signature area. Tell them you are signing for an adequate deal, but any dealer surveys you receive will reflect negatively on the dealership and if you don't get a survey you will request one. If the dealership is a member of the BBB (unlikely but check) it will reflect negatively there too. The most leverage you have is with the dealer surveys. Yes you can put down a $10000 retainer for F. Lee and make a federal case but that has limited return.
Personally I think you will be hit up for 1400 or worse more but if you can snag the car for the old deal +400 it do it. Obviously if things get to 1000 plus or worse just walk, its may be an average deal for your area. (you should know how good a deal this is, if so)
In this area (southern ohio) that car would be difficult to touch for under 17000 +ttl
Good luck
--jjf
Tell them to get stuffed. You have ZERO obligation to re-sign anything.
In fact, tell them that you will contact an attorney, and pursue a consumer claims act violation (statutory, based on state law), if they contact you again.
IN FACT, tell them rather than call you, they must call your attorney. Under consumer act cases, if a business violates the law, they must pay your attorney fees.
There is no way they can get a 'do-over' on a done deal.
But if you don't want the car for $400 more, IMO you have every right to give them the car back and get any money you paid back since they want to redo the contract not you.
Looks like there are two separate rebates getting applied. I see now Hyundai is giving 2k rebate as standard. Can you tell me about the second one?
I would appreciate any help on this.
I've heard that rumor and thought it was proved wrong. However, to be sure, check with Hyundai. Don't ask the dealer who will likely farm out the job and then make a few more bucks on top of what the independent shop charges.
Adding a remote starter certainly won't void any powertrain warranty. If it was wired wrong, it could void some electrical warranties, though. But, then the installer should be covering those issue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson-Moss_Warranty_Act