Oldsmobile Aurora Maintenance & Repair

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  • dmgadgetdmgadget Member Posts: 4
    Jack,
    Thank you! Not only for getting back so fast (wowsers!), but also for the well written reply(s).
    I've found a local shop that seems competent and honest, if not the guru I could hope for. They seem to take the middle ground, replace the common problem parts, charge the usual prices, hope that solves the problems. I had an intermittent Check Engine Light that seems to have been related to emissions. Replaced fuel cap, 2 O2 sensors and tried to avoid overfilling the screwy gas tank, and eventually, it cleared and has stayed off long enough to pass the IL emissions test and so far so good. I got this car w/115K on it and am at about 130K now. I've kept the oil changed and topped off, using hi-mileage synthetic every change, but as my trans keeps performing smoothly, I am a little worried to risk it going south by changing fluids. Don't rock the boat and all. Obviously, 130K is a lot of miles on the same fluid (I have no idea if it had been done before). But, I've heard from more than one shop the only way to have it done (SHOULD have it done) is at the dealer's, so they can cover the work if it screws up the transmission. With the few little annoying bugs that I keep chasing down, I'm reluctant to "grease" a "wheel" that isn't "squeeking" if you follow me.

    I stopped by a local radiator/AC shop on the way to work this morning and showed him the BCM that I pulled successfully last night. I asked him about the possibility of testing it and he said something I couldn't follow about how it could only be done in the car, with grounding it, checking continuity and the rest. I know what he was talking about, but not how to do it, exactly. He seemed convinced that the problem was more likely the blower motor itself, than the BCM. Of course, niether part is particularly cheap and I know the blower CAN blow quite well...when it feels like it. If the blower (fan?) works, but the Motor is intermittent, any ideas how I can compare/check that against the possibility that the BC Module is the problem? Winter is right around the corner here in Chicago and I'm NOT looking forward to it.

    An aside: Regarding Winter driving: The first time I encountered snow w/my 'rora was on a trip across the Cali/Oregon border to see a monster truck rally. Seems that a storm rolled in and dumped a good dusting on the mts between where me and my 2 friends were in Oregon and home. I stopped at an auto parts store and purchased a pair of chains for the front tires. (We had a great time spinning doughnuts in the parking lot with the traction contol turned off and using the e-brake before we put the chains on. For a sedan, that boat can handle pretty well, if you are comfortable with the mass!) After rolling along quite smoothly for a number of miles, passing cars slipping into ditches and moving at about 15 mph, I found that the 'rora was smooth and managable at 45-55, depending on visibility. At one point, I was not sure why, when things cleared enough that my high-beams should have been piercing the road farther away, I stopped and got out and my best friend and I discoverd that the reason the hi-beams weren't working was NOT that they were reflecting off the snow in the air, but rather, during the more blustery conditions, the snow had actually buried the headlights! Only the heat from the low beams had managed to keep the snow melted in front of them! After clearing the hi-beams, which now worked quite well, we noticed that not just one, but BOTH of the chains off the front tires were gone!! Now, I had purchased the medium priced ones, and also added the bungee-tighener option that was designed to help hold them snug (like a spider-wed covering the hub, pulling the edges of the chains together). I'm also familiar with putting on chains and had never lost a pair before. I was mostly concerned about their loss because of the damage to the wheel-well that may have occurred upon their release, but there appeared to be none. I have no idea how long I had been driving without them; the car was smooth enough (and the snow/road rough enough) that I couldn't even tell when they were on the car...Crazy, huh? The rest of the ride home was uneventful.
    After arriving in Chicago last winter, I was able to compare my car (w/o chains) against a couple of other cars belonging to friends and family. Talk about stable. I felt like I was in a go-cart while driving the 3 other cars (all similar to a 4 door Corolla). Not so with the Aurora. I felt like I was back in the Army driving the Bradley Fighting Vehicle (M1A2)...but with much better visibility...and fewer bullets.

    Enough story telling...I've had questions about the transmission and proper maintenance of it since I got it, as I'd like to make sure it keeps running for as long as possible. I could never afford a comparable replacement car... Unfortunately, there seems to be some serious division in the camps as to the right way to keep it on the road. Coolant leaks? I can keep topping it off. Same with the slight oil leak. (Any thoughts on the whole, "flushing the oil" idea?) Crazy fuel gauge? Keep an eye on the DIC and use the tripometer. Fuel not going into the car at a resonable speed? It's a nuisance, but it DOES go in, albeit slower than honey. But, I have a functional and seemingly finely performing transmission that I don't want to have to fix if I can prevent a costly repair with maintenance, but don't want to create the need for a repair while attempting to maintain it! Good grief...what a delima. Open to more input.

    I'm really happy to have found this site and hope I can be of as much assistance as you all have been to me. I have to get back to being productive so I can pay for the upkeep on my 'rora. FYI--Gas has dropped more than a dollar a gallon here, from around $4.65 to $3.35 since H. Ike....Yeah. Oh yeah, that reminds me, thoughts on the ocatane requirements? When this car was produced, there was 87, 91 and 93 ocatne avavilable. The manual says use 91. Now, we have 87, 89 and 93. (If memory serves.) I've always tried to use 93, but when the price gets back up to $5/gallon....ouch. Any experiements tried? Thanks!

    ~Daniel (DMGadget) '98 Aurora, 130K
  • pscheidpscheid Member Posts: 190
    dmgadget wrote.......

    2. I can't seem to get gas to do into my car at anything other than a trickle. If I don't hold the gas "throttle" at the pump just as slow as I can, then after a few seconds you can hear the gas backing up the tank neck and before you can stop pumping (or the auto-stop kicks in) you have a "spurt" of gasoline backing up and out of the car. I DID end up trying to cross a median that seems to have been a little higher than my clearance. The same day I bottomed out (scrapped/banged the bottom of the undercarriage) I found my self needing gas and when I tried to put it in, my '98 Aurora decided to spit it back out on my hand! I've never had a car that didn't LIKE gas! Unless it was that cheap junk.

    I am probably stating the obvious here. A restriction of gas going in, no matter what. Well, the fuel/air back pressure is shutting down the pump because it is telling the pump the tank is full when it isn't. Plus the gas spurting out indicates a physical restriction somewhere.

    Even if you put a 1' x 1' x 1' dent in the gas tank when you drove over the median, the car should still take on fuel normally, albeit at a lesser amount. There has to be an actual restriction between the fuel filler hole and the filler neck on the top of the gas tank, including the neck of the gas tank. Now that I have stated the obvious.....

    First, wonder if you can see something crimped from underneath the car from the tank to the filler tubing? You can probably squeeze under the car with a flashlight in hand without jacking up the rear.

    My Infinity had a factory recall which if I remember correctly noted a possible crimping or an outright leak in the connecting plumbing (flexible tubing?) between the fuel filler opening and the gas tank. Recall repair (allegedly) completed no charge under recall.

    Your gas tank may have moved just enough to slightly crimp some flexible or not so flexible tubing that did not uncrimp, or actually bent the filler neck on the top of the fuel tank. Remember, it doesn't take much of a restriction with the fuel/air back pressure from the gas station pump to shut down the station pump or to cause the fuel backlash.

    Now for the highly technical part which requires professional tools, a pair of vise grips/locking pliers. You might want to try snaking a straightened-out metal coathanger down the fuel filler opening as far as you can to see if you can either uncrimp the restriction (flexible tubing) or at least determine the relative location of the restriction. You may later be able to get at the point of restriction from under the car in any event.

    I'd suggest you bend/loop the pointed end of the coathanger back around 180 degrees so at least a smooth rounded point of attack is offered, and make the loop relatively tight, flat, and very closed...... so it doesn't snag on something (inside of gas tank or on filler plumbing) when you are GENTLY withdrawing it. You can always increase the size of the loop if the "smaller is better" approach isn't working on the first pass.

    Measure the length of the coathanger from the edge of the filler hole to the end of the coathanger loop once the restriction is reached so later you can somewhat pinpoint the location of the restriction.

    Otherwise, you may have to spring for a mechanic on this one. Hopefully, the fix does not require dropping the gas tank.

    Good luck, and keep us posted on your adventure.

    Jack

    PS: It ain't gonna get any warmer out in your Chicago driveway this year, so try this soon.
  • pscheidpscheid Member Posts: 190
    Well, our posts seem to be crossing. I type slow and think slower.

    MECHANICS:
    A good and relatively trustworthy mechanic with reasonable prices. Seemingly a pipe dream, but they are out there. I may have been lucky in 1993 when I found mine, close to home too. I have made a point of remaining loyal to him, even if I pay more for his gas. At least he sees me a lot. And he always asks about my satisfaction with the previous repair. After I tell him everything is fine, I remind him he should name a repair bay after me with no smile on my face. I expect him to be loyal to me in return. I am not shy about pointing out to him that when my cars come off warranty (I'm a cradle to grave car owner) he gets first shot and every one thereafter until HE gives me reason to change. He offers me a bag or box with my old parts after each repair which I look over and leave there for disposal.

    He has been particularly good at calling and pointing out preventative stuff where the labor at some disassembly is already a sunk cost and "while it's apart you may want to consider..." I'll have to talk to you sometime about my idler pully assembly (it froze, bearing siezed) and I also opted for a new a/c compressor and I believe alternator to boot. Slap in bearings/shaft fit, and something to go next, stranded with dogs and/or fuming wife. Now that the engine was unbolted and lifted, and the lions share of the labor was already invested......

    A COMPARABLE REPLACEMENT CAR:
    Sometimes it doesn't seem to make much sense to put a grand or two or three in an 11 year old used vehicle with a blue book trade value or a private party sale value is $3-4K. And sometimes you can't buy reliability in an unknown used car at 3-4 times the price. I know what I have and what I have put in it. I know how it has been maintained. Then I look at some of the total ownership savings if I choose to keep the car. I significantly save annually on reduced local excise taxes, insurance costs, financing costs foregone, and the huge one: depreciation expense. On the latter, I can pay for a whole lot of repairs for the annual cost of the last one. And I get paid back every additional mile I drive THIS car after I forked over a bunch of money on a repair or tire replacement. When the reliability starts to fail me or the aggravation gets too great, fine. I'll bite the bullet then.

    FUEL RELATED ITEMS:
    Gas tank capacity on the 1998 is 18.5 gallons, not 18 as I previously stated. And I've put 18.5 in it more than once.

    Fuel mileage. Best case 18mpg city, 21-22 evenly mixed, and 28+ pure highway at 65 on cruise, 100+ miles. Never changed since I got the car, and I'm on the original ignition parts as stated earlier. With a happy right foot around town, 14. Drop the other numbers accordingly when I'm having fun.....like those 120 mph blasts.

    Fuel. The Aurora manual is more liberal on octane with 91 as the starting point. I burn 93 because we don't have a lot of 91 around here. Downshifted to 87 for quite a few months when my daily commute was 90 miles and gas got ridiculous. No change in mileage, and if acceleration suffered, I couldn't tell. No pre-ignition experienced (pinging per the manual) under a heavy foot or up hills. Engine management retarded the spark to accommodate the lower octane I suppose. Relatively remarkable for its 10.3 compression ratio and nearly 4,000 pounds. So you can save on gas if you choose (see savings above). Hyundai Genesis.....this manufacturer actually rates horsepower and torque at premium grade fuel (recommended) and 87 regular.....about a reading of 5 lower for both for burning the lower octane which on a base of 375 horsepower isn't even worth discussing.

    SYNTHETIC MOTOR OILS:
    Never used them because I could never see the advantage except for their unquestioned lubricating superiority in the colder temperatures, particularly at startup and while the engine is warming up. Synthetics grab and hold, plus their viscosity at even the coldest temps is unchanged. I personally change with conventional motor oil and a filter at an average of every 4K miles or 3-4 months, whichever comes first, 10-30 viscosity in the summer and 5-30 winter. While the synthetic may maintain its lubricating qualities twice or three times as long mileage-wise, can those properties mitigate the dirt in the oil and piling up in the oil filter? Consumers' Report a few years back (perhaps sponsorship biased) tested every motor oil brand, viscosity, and type (natural vs.synthetic), with and without afternmarket additives, in a fleet of rebuilt-motored NYC taxicabs for 100K miles, using scheduled change intervals. After a million words of text, the conclusion: no appreciable difference in wear. I've never had a motor oil/wear related engine failure in 40 years, even with my Corvette (11 years daily driver 24/7/365 in Chicago, ran all season tires year round, my only car at the time). Lots of high rpm use/abuse with that one.

    OIL LEAK:
    If it's a minor oil pan gasket or valve cover leak, tighten and observe. Replace gaskets if necessary. Otherwise, I just drive and add oil as required because it costs virtually nothing. The driveway takes a beating, though. I had a rear seal leak on a Camaro for about 5 years and didn't want to pay to have the engine yanked. Just added oil, no problems except the driveway (again).

    BCM...... This is the tough one, and I don't have any advice other than.....you have to have the blower operating, especially in winter for both the heat and especially the defrost. I have read a lot of stuff in this forum on blower motor and blower control module problems. Could never figure out why mechanics could not isolate the problem better with diagnostics, amperage, or voltage meters.

    Had a starter motor issue once. Thought it was the battery. Lost a $20 bet. Another time thought I had a battery isuue. Lost a $20 bet. In each instance with the same friend who on the former issue disconnected, cleaned, and reconnected the starter motor ground, same with the battery terminals on the latter issue. These were both on the Corvette.

    11 year old wiring alone on your car could be at issue, especially if the insulation rubbed through/off and you are getting inappropriate sporadic touching of a hot on something metal, unwanted. No suggestions here.

    TRANSMISSION FLUID CHANGES/SCREEN REPLACEMENTS/FLUSHES:
    Agreed, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Manual suggests never needs changing under normal driving conditions, even up to the 150,000 mile interval in the manual. Most of what you need to know is in the color and smell of the transmission fluid anyway, despite what I say.

    Later,
    Jack
  • jstalewskijstalewski Member Posts: 1
    I've got a 2G 3.5 Aurora that's got a coolant leak in the tube that runs front-to-back that has a hose connecting to the water pump on the front end and on the other end a hose to the heater - sort of a long connector.

    The tube is corroded and leaking and the dealership wants to charge me $633 to replace the damn thing - and is telling me I can't drive it the way it is. Hell, I drove it to the dealership, why can't I drive it home? Did they poke a hole in it?

    What is that tube called, and does anyone else find their repair quote just a tad pricey? I could probably replace it myself if I knew what part to ask for - it's not like it's connected to the diagnostic computer, or in an inaccessible position. Even if they included a coolant flush/fill, it seems excessive to me.

    Thanks in advance!
  • brinwoodbrinwood Member Posts: 32
    Take car to reputable radiator shop and get their quote to fix.
    should be cheaper.
  • jeff8789jeff8789 Member Posts: 1
    97 AURORA...NO PARKING/DASH LIGHTS...I HAVE CHECKED FUSES,REPLACED DIRECTIONAL/HEADLIGHT SWITCH,SENTINEL BARREL SWITCHES...HEADLIGHTS,4-WAY'S,DIRECTIONALS AND BRAKE LIGHTS WORK FINE....IS THERE A RELAY THAT CONROLS PARKING LIGHTS ? JEFF
  • rweimerrweimer Member Posts: 1
    Can you do any damage to the electrical system on a 2002 Auroa by charging the battery with a battery charger?
  • aurorarichaurorarich Member Posts: 1
    My 2002 Aurora rear window now falls down by itself. I can hear the motor running when I actvate the switch. Sounds like your problem. Did you ever get a repair? What was the problem and how much was the repair? How did you get the windows to stay up without a repair?
  • oldwinooldwino Member Posts: 20
    Hi Jack

    Just a note to reply to our conversation in the "Buying Experience" forum, which is now read only for whatever reason. I did get the throttle body cleaned, fuel filter changed and new K&N filter for my trip. The gas mileage definitely improved. I got 26.1mpg on the leg from Lexington, Ky to Columbia, SC. That compares to the 23.7 I got back in Feb. over the same route and roughly the same speed. The air temp was alot warmer in Aug. than Feb, but I don't believe it would make much difference, if any, especially as I was running the AC this time. Got 24.4 on the return, but that was with some stretches of sustained 75-80 mph. So overall I was pleased with the improvements. Next big trip will be Feb again to Daytona Beach for the 500.

    Take Care, Jack
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Member Posts: 1,380
    Your fuel fill issue is likely related to a problem in the vent system. At least one of the tank lines goes to the front as part of the evaporative emissions and is tied to charcoal canister. During running a valve changes to draw fuel vapor out of charcoal.
    Canister sometimes has a small filter to stop dirt being drawn in during that purge cycle. It may be totally plugged. The canister may have gone bad. The valve or the computer controlling it may have gone bad. Or you may have crushed the line or it is plugged, the one coming from the tank.
    Unlikely, but a friend with a new '69 Ford ran out of gas when the guage showed nearly new. He got it to gas station but it would only take a couple of gallons. They had put an unvented cap on vehicle that required vented. The gas pump sucked the tank collapsed.
  • mdeeringmdeering Member Posts: 1
    Jeff

    Did you ever determine the problem? We are have the same problem. No Parking lights, CD player does not work.
  • brinwoodbrinwood Member Posts: 32
    You are not alone. I went to jack up my aurora 97, pas. side ok, drivers side rear, the jack crushed thru the jack point. needless to say I stopped! Took it to shop for tire rotation. usually do it myself.
    also noted rust bubbles near jack point drivers side.
    concerned? yes.
    NYS salt has done it. 118K and still runs fine. 28 mpg on trips, 21 around town.
  • dathomdathom Member Posts: 2
    & 70K miles with all preventive maintenance work done at or before time to do it. Only two problems.
    Rear window regularors both went out with in days of each other. What a pain and what a cost to repair. So, I just had the cables "tied" in the up position.
    But real issue is a whine noise at speed. No noise at any RPM while at rest. At speed whine noise (bearing?) increases as speed increases. Also, when the steering wheel is turned right at speed, noise decreases? Power steering pump? I am at a loss on what is is.
    Anyone?
  • tnt97roratnt97rora Member Posts: 1
    been reading lot of these messages My blower motor just quit working. figures,I live in northern wi. ive been trying to get a price on the bcm. half these places say they dont show one. I have a 97 a/124000 mi. I bought it last feb. this is the first money i have to put in to it. Can any one tell me which parts house might have this part.Gotta have heat. Any help greatly appreciated. Glad to be part of the Aurora club.
  • oldwinooldwino Member Posts: 20
    gmpartsdirect.com shows one for about $85.
  • tootertatertootertater Member Posts: 26
    I had the same problem on my '96 aurora. I took it to the shop and they had to replace the serpatine belt and also my lower pulley. It would whine at speed but decrease at turns.I had my oil changed ,water flushed and refilled for winter, brakes checked,etc. Belts it seams are not included in maintenance. Belt and pulley about $120 getting it put in $130 because they have to drop the radiator to get to it.
  • ndeysayau95ndeysayau95 Member Posts: 14
    HEY AURORIANS... LET ME SAY THAT I HAVE READ MANY POSTS BEFORE SUBMITTING THIS QUESTION AND I CAN'T SEEM TO FIND AN ANSWER. I'VE TRIED A FEW THINGS THAT I THOUGHT MIGHT HELP BUT NO LUCK, SO HERE I GO...
    FIRST THINGS FIRST, I'VE HAD THIS SMALL LEAK FROM THE RADIATOR FOR ABOUT A MONTH, NEVER REALLY LOST A LOT OF COOLANT BUT I NOTICED A SMALL DRIP... THEN ONE NIGHT AS I WAS GETTING ON THE FREEWAY I LOST POWER, ALL THE LIGHTS ON THE DASH CAME ON AND THE DIC READ CHECK CHARGE SYSTEM... HAD THE BATTERY TESTED IT WAS LOW SO GOT A NEW ONE, LASTED 1 DAY.... REPLACED THE ALTENATOR & NEW BATTERY. WELL DUM DUM ME CHECKED AND REPLACED THE FLUIDS AS YOU ALL KNOW THE RADIATOR HAS TO BE REMOVED... IN THE COURE OF THIS I FILLED THE TRANSMISSION "WITHOUT" CHECKING IT @ OPERATING TEMPERATURE SO I DIDN'T GET AN ACCURATE READING.
    LONG STORY MADE KINDA SHORT, I DROVE HER THE NEXT DAY ABOUT 15 MILES AND SHE FIRST OVERHEATED. I PULLLED OVER LET HER COOL, ADDED THE LIL BIT THAT I LOST AND TRIED TO HEAD HOME. HAD TO GET ON THE FREEWAY, AND THAT LASTED ALL BUT 1/2 A MILE. SHE OVERHEATED AGAIN, THE RPMS WENT TO 5000 + (NO REDLINE) AND I PULLED OFF TO THE NEAREST GAS STATION.
    HAD SOMEONE RECOMMEND DRAINING THE FLUID, AND REPLACING THE SEAL (?)... HOWEVER THIS IS NOT A AURORA EXPERT AND I'M REALLY WONDERING IF I DAMAGED SOMETHING... SHE WON'T GET OUT OF FIRST GEAR.
    ANY HELP IS APPRECIATED!! SORRY SO LENGTHY BUT TRYING TO GIVE AS MUCH INFO AS POSSIBLE.
    THANX IN ADVANCE.
  • mastecutormastecutor Member Posts: 18
    Seem to have a multitude of problems here.

    1) your radiator drip sound like you have a crack in your radiator or your hoses are broke. First things first. Determine where the drip is coming from. I've had three cases of losing radiator fluid on my 98'. A) Water pump seal bad.(Solution, replace water pump (belt just because) cost $200). B) Radiator hoses: replace outlet and inlet. C) Crack in plastic housing of radiator (replace radiator Dealer price 800$, my price 250$).

    Before you changed out the Alternator did you check it to see if it was bad? If you just changed it to change it then that was a bad move. More so a waste of money.

    You should verify how much load you are pulling off the battery. With the coolent leak you had maybe it dripped on to a electrical line and you are getting a short somewhere in your car which would cause all your electrical to go out.

    What did the Transmission fluid look like. Did it have a burnt smell to it. Should be bright to dark red in color.

    Considering it is a 95 and if you did damage your tranney. The blue book on this care is not more than 1800$. RIP.
  • ndeysayau95ndeysayau95 Member Posts: 14
    Thank you "mastecutor". Let me answer your questions... as for the altenator, on the DIC it was only reading 11.8 - 12.1 with no load if I turned anything on it went lower and just shut down so I had the altenator tested and sure enough it was no good. I had it replaced along with a new battery and it went back to 14.9 with a load, 15.1 without.
    The leak in the radiator seems to be coming from the very bottom of the radiator near the cock plugs (there are 2 on mine) I have checked the hoses and they all seem to be ok so Im in the process of finding a radiator.
    As fr the tranny fluid it doesn't have a burnt smell to it however, it is not bright nor dark red, it actually has a brown tint to it. I notice something new this morning, I tried what they call the idle relearn on it yesterday, and now there is tranny fluid underneath the car not a lot but it seems to have come out of the pan because it is almost rectangular in shape. I haven't driven her since the problem started.
    I'm leaning toward a diagnostic on the transmission ($50) and if it is blown then I have another option... a local wrecking yard has the exact same car color and all with a bad engine they want $550 I can buy it and swap engines and keep mine for parts or sell it all together.
    Any input you give is greatly appreciated!! Oh yes, Im a female that tries to keep cost down... and I must add that I've had some really nice cars (Lexus, MBs,Cads) but this Aurora is the best and honestly Im going to hate letting go if it comes to that because no one will appreciate her as much.
    Thanx
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Member Posts: 1,380
    brown tint is indication of clutch material. When the latest generation of fluids came out, part synthetic I believe, Ford and GM were recommending it as a replacement for some earlier vehicles. Until they found out it was causing the shedding of clutch material and then they quickly reversed their position. It is likely true of off the shelf fluids as well and unless you know for sure about a particular product it might be wise to stick with the original grade recommendation. Another fluid dump will be far cheaper and safer than the alternatives. Monkeys some times cause more damage and headache than anyone deserves. A major operations such as pulling engine and tranny to do the swap could yield damaged wiring or hoses, bent parts, cracked radiators, and the list is endless, so if you chose that route make sure everything is documented so you have recourse later.
    Besides being clutch material from tranny it could be the convertor clutches. It is highly recommended that be changed at the same time as a tranny rebuild or replace.
    You might luck out or not. If when you refilled the tranny there were air pockets fluid may have slugged a modulator valve or some other component, especially if you did not let it idle long enough in gear with wheels off ground to allow the transmission to clear all the bubbles and then slowly increase RPM enough to force shifts. The downside with this is that you should have the car supported at the strut so that you are not turning CV joints at the fully extended point.
    Such a slugging could break a spring in a clutch pack, modulator valve, accumulator, etc. If it is in the modulator pack, it is accessible without pulling tranny from the bottom. I also suspect the end pan may be removeable if some parts are removed from the front of the engine (the belt end) and the engine/tranny assembly is slid to that end. Do check for clearance if trying and let me know if it works.
    But also there is a known problem with a couple of solenoids in that lower valve assembly and there is a service upgrade for that. Typically they break and leak. Usually this leaves limp home mode which gives only first and second gear and reverse. The parts for that fix were around $100 and you can probably find where several have done the work themselves in one of the Aurora forums. Biggest headache seems that some have accidentally misplaced a small part so it is imperative that you use caution in disassembly and reassembly. Make sure you have a contained environment so that if some small part drops you can find it and check the area routinely for stray parts. Other than basic tools you should have a small torque wrench, which I consider basic anyway.
  • mastecutormastecutor Member Posts: 18
    From the sound of it. Swaping the engine is not your problem. Your transmission is what you would need to replace if that is even the case. 550 for the tranney is one thing. Installing it will be another. That will be another 500 to 1000 dollars.

    I agree the Aurora is an interesting car. But GM's are notoriously bad for electrical problems. That being said they are compounded when dealing with the Olds Aurora. The cost of fixing them can go through the roof.

    Any one who says that the Aurora is an economical car to maintain is full of something or they work for GM(mind you not for long).

    Brown by the way is not good if this is the color. I would question the person that put this oil in for you when you said you changed out your transmission fluid.

    Happy trails.
  • mastecutormastecutor Member Posts: 18
    ONe other thing. As the prior poster recommended. I would have the tranney oil changed out again by a trustworthy/knowlegeable person. Look for metal shavings as expressed by the prior poster. Also verify that the filter was put back into place.

    Replacement fluid should be GM grade transmission fluid , nothing more and nothing less.

    When you drain from the pan your only replacing 6-7 quarts of the fluid. You do not actually change out all of the tranney fluid when changing from the pan.

    Verify your gasget at the pan to see that it is not cracked. you said you have it dripping around the pan. This is not a good sign. You could have been running the car with low transmission fluid levels. A new GM gasget for this car is 50-75$ unless you go with the cheap cork aftermarket gasget which I only reccommend if you plan on keeping the car for a couple years.

    Draining and checking the tranney fluid is your cheapest route to take. If you go the alternate route of replacing the tranney (mind you if this is the problem) your cost will go up considerably.

    Dallas Tx.
  • mastecutormastecutor Member Posts: 18
    I have seen this before. May be a differnt problem. If you lift the rubber housing right next to the steering column and the light blinker handle. pull this back. If you look inside there are contacters that the handle touches. Did you try squirting some contact cleaner into that area on the contacters and then turn your light switch back and forth to clean those areas up. Poof my lights started to work again.

    in some instances those contacters become shorted and your lights will turn on even after the iginition has been shut off. Have seen many peoples batterys drained becasue of this same issue.
  • ndeysayau95ndeysayau95 Member Posts: 14
    Thank you for your response! I have a question now about the tranny fluid since you say GM grade should be replacement nothing more & nothing less.... when the altenator was changed and I went to Kragen Auto Parts to get the Anti-freeze and Tranny fluid the gentleman gave me some tranny fluid that was labeled MD3... I told him the year make & model of my car and he said that would work. Ever heard of it?? I am use to putting Mecron/DexronIII in any vehicle Ive owned now I'm wondering if this is the cause of the problem... Wow, I would really hope not. You all are great here, your input truly helps and I definitely appreciate it.
  • ndeysayau95ndeysayau95 Member Posts: 14
    Thanx for the response, and all the information.... I am printing this out for my referrence. She is being towed to the Tranny shop for the diagnostic shortly (waiting for the tow guy now). I do not want to chance messing with it until I hear what they find. I forgot to mention previously that when I went to the autopart store to get the anti-freeze and the tranny fluid the gentleman gave me MD3... Ever heard of it? I told him the year make & model of my car and he said it would work. Im use to Mercron/Dexron III but took his word because he was the salesman. I hope this didn't lead to the problem.
    As for the swap, Im thinking of just buying the other Aurora he wants $450 for it now. The guy says it needs a new engine, it has a bad rod knock. It only has 118k on it, and I believe it's well worth more than $450.
    I will keep you posted on my tranny issue... Hope it's something simple.Thanks again for all your help!
  • mastecutormastecutor Member Posts: 18
    MD3 or mercon/dexron III are for most cars/light truck auto. transmissions built between 1980 and 2005. 2005 and newer GM's not so much.

    Again, I would drain and verify that there are not shavings or metalics in your oil or attached to the magnetic strip just inside the pan. your best hope is that you had air pockets in the modulator

    Good luck.
  • ndeysayau95ndeysayau95 Member Posts: 14
    Thank you again! I will let you know hat becomes of it, hopefully it isn't a nightmare.
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Member Posts: 1,380
    There was a change in fluids around 1998 to part synthetic. It was these newer fluids that would cause clutch deterioration in older vehicles. Ford and GM orginally stated it was a replacement for the older fluid as well but shortly learned of the clutch material deterioration, brown fluid, and changed their position. It would be hard to say if off the shelf fluid makers changed their formula to something more compatible. Rebuild transmissions need to use clutches of newer matierial so they don't break down with this newer fluid. If you did a total fluid change, retrieve a sample of the fluid from the tranny. You might have some legal recourse.
    Along witht he many headaches pointed up concerning someone swapping the tranny for you, there are a couple of points about pulling a tranny from junk. If the vehicle was wrecked the impact can damage parts inside. There is a lot of weight suspended on the main shaft and it has only a bearing at each end. Also there are bearings between those heavy components, clutch packs, planetary gears, etc. and the main shaft. So, in addition to the possibilities of the main shaft being bent just enough to through it out of balance, there is the possibility of these soft material bearings being dimpled by the impact. They actually are more of a bushing made of material like the connecting rod bearings and depend mostly on the thin layer of oil to stop damage.
    Ford had a bulletin concerning damage because people failed to use the parking brake. Any incline would put the torque of the wheels into any of the final drive components, that is all solid connections between the wheel and the parking pawl in the transmission. The result was that every last drop of lubricant was being forced from points of bearings resulting in dry starts. Dry starts are very bad and the beginning of wear points that will deteriorate faster than other areas. The bulletin specifically addressed transmissions, but with a little thought you will see this also affects the CV joints on the drive shafts. I'd say it is very important to always use the parking brake.
    Other than a few of us that found the bulletin on the net, I'm unaware of this info being passed to customers.
  • ndeysayau95ndeysayau95 Member Posts: 14
    Thank you for the information. I am going to drain all the fluid in about an hour or so and check for metal shavings etc. If this doesn't resolve the problem I will be taking her to a transmission only shop and let them do a diag on her. If the transmission is no good, then away she goes :cry:. Again thank you for all the information, and I will be sure to let you know what becomes of her.
    Monique
  • ndeysayau95ndeysayau95 Member Posts: 14
    Drained the fluid from the tranny, found a very small amount of shavings and I mean very small almost looked like dirt. The gasket looks brand new (and it should had the torque converter & solenoid replaced July 07) filters were not clogged, fluid was actually red and not brown as I thought. Going to replace the fluid now, and see what happens. Thanks again for the input.
  • ndeysayau95ndeysayau95 Member Posts: 14
    Well... I tried draining the tranny, going through all the steps as advised and to no avail the problem still exists. I am starting to think it may be the speed sensor "again". I say again because after reading the invoice from the torque converter replacement I noticed a lot of other things. Of course it had a 6 month or 6000 mile warranty and I am well past both. I am going to list what is on the invoice because I would really like to know if it is common for any of these parts to fail within a 14 month period...
    1 Torque Converter $265
    1 EDC Solenoid $97
    1 filter $45
    1 filter left $15
    1 filter rt $21
    1 input speed sensor $45
    1 solenoid PWM $65
    fluid supplement (block) $20
    12 quarts ATF Fluid $42

    Here are the codes that were listed as well...
    90- v cc brake switch input prob.
    95- engine stalled
    95- shift ratio "A" problem
    109 - Internal ECM problem
    27- Throttle switch or circuit open
    39- torque converter clutch malfunction
    56 - input speed circuit problem
    52 - defective ecm
    70 - intermittent throttle position.

    All these things were listed and according to the repair order fixed. The total out of pocket expense was $1697. How common or rare is it to have issues with the same parts? Im leaning toward the speed sensor because now she acts as though she wants to shift, but still doesn't. Also forgot to mention previously that I use to get a loud thump when put in reverse but since I drained fluid and replaced it has disappeared.
    Would you happen to know how difficult it is to change the speed sensor? I went and purchased another, hoping to be able to resolve it this way and avoid the costly labor at the shop. I really need a manual on this car and no one seems to have one other than the dealer.
    Your help is greatly appreciated! It actually keeps me from giving up on her... she is expensive, but when she is up and running wow the comfort & reliabilty is well worth the expense.
  • d_stenulsond_stenulson Member Posts: 6
    I know absolutely nothing about cars... lol... i just bought my 1997 aurora from a friend... I had been envying her for a while... as a 17 year old would... i bought it from her because she offered it to me for $850... its fully loaded...cd changer...power windows/locks/sun/moonroof/...heated seats...everything... well i bought it from her knowing that the power steering unit was out... having known it went out completely once before... i turn the steering wheel, and it turns but the tires don't turn with it... i took it to the place who fixed it for her the first time and he said that he didn't want to fix it again because he didn't know what caused it to happen a second time... then i called another place and they said that they didn't want to even look at it... because its an AURORA... I thought to myself... YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME... I remember the guy saying at the place who fixed it the first time... its the rack and pinion... and I personally have no idea what that means... can anyone help me so i can better know what I am talking about... I know this was a long story just to get to a point that wasn't that important to the rest of the story... but PLEASE HELP ME???
  • mastecutormastecutor Member Posts: 18
    Fool you once shame on you. Fool you twice shame on them. Everything you mentioned at the beginning of your message are all surface related . This person selling this car to you at your age is what I call child abuse. She should be spanked , slapped ...possibly both.

    I suggest you find a non-dealer shop that works on Cadillacs. If they work on Caddies they will work on the Aurora. You may be better off selling the car and picking yourself up a less complicated more reliable car. This is too complicated and way too expensive your your young pocket book. Just being honest and trying to cut your losses.

    If you can dodge a ball you can dodge a wrench. You just got hit by a wrench and a wench.
  • oldwinooldwino Member Posts: 20
    Sounds like a good case for having a car inspected and repair costs researched before buying. If you're serious about keeping and repairing it, do a google search for Aurora Club and you'll probably find some info to help you. Good Luck!
  • d_stenulsond_stenulson Member Posts: 6
    Thanks for your help. My friend is also 17 years old, and the problem occurred before she sold me the car. I was completely aware. She sold me the car for only $850.00 and just finished paying it off which was a total of around $2600.00. I was told that it would only cost me $1000.00 to get it fixed. I believe it will be a good car once I get it fixed. I just have to wait until taxes. I appreciate the reference to the mechanic that fixes cadillacs. I just have to try to find one of those.
  • aurand210aurand210 Member Posts: 9
    The problem ended up being that it needed a new starter. Issue was that I would put the key in ignition and the car would not start. No noise was made, nothing would turn only battery stuff, radio, windows but not click. They replaced the ignition switch and was not that they replaced some sensor was not that and in the end it was the starter. :lemon:
  • aurand210aurand210 Member Posts: 9
    I recently had the message appear "Gas Cap Off" message appear. I double checked the gas cap and it clicked for me I made sure it was on tight cleaned out dirt then the engine light came on. I read that the engine light will come on if the DIC shows "Gas Cap Off". I also read to replace the gas cap because the rubber lining in the gas cap get old and needs to be replaced. Sure enough all was true. I replaced the Gas cap with a new at $9.00 at NAPA Auto Store and they also let me borrow a machine for free that you hook up to the car and gives you the codes for the "check engine" light. Sure enough the code read some "emissions" and some other code I reset the codes and I was good to go, no more "check engine light" and no more DIC code..........I did it all by myself at a cost of $9.00 YAY!!
  • mastecutormastecutor Member Posts: 18
    I suspect someone told your 17 year old friend to dump the car as well. Never buy a car from a friend. You won't be friends for long. Well you just bought a car for 850 and now you are puting 1.2 times the amount you paid for it. Just a warning this is one small piece of the puzzle. Be prepared and have a 2-4k dollar emergancy fund for this car if you plan on keeping it.

    good luck,
  • mastecutormastecutor Member Posts: 18
    The starter on the Aurora is always fun to replace. It's located under the manifold cover. Very easy to replace.

    The battery's in these cars are usually good for the full life, 6-7years. Having the battery in the back seat away from the thermal variations of the engine increase the battery life by two fold. Problem is these suckers run 150-200 bucks depending on your local dealers price. It's AC DElphi (Delco) or nothing.

    RT
  • mastecutormastecutor Member Posts: 18
    I suggest you go knock on wood and go talk nice to your car. It heard everything you just said about saving money. Christine is working at this very moment to come up with a big ticket fix. Stroke her , pet her, but never mock her. Cha ching!
  • pscheidpscheid Member Posts: 190
    I got 10 years out of mine and replaced it with an Interstate with 880 cold cranking amps. What was nice was the warnings before disaster: all of the lights on the car started to dim at low rpm and the DIC voltage readout dropped into the 11-12 range.
  • mastecutormastecutor Member Posts: 18
    Interstate? Did not know they made a replacement for this car. . Unless you rigged this one to have the drainage(acid/gas) tubes . The requested battery for this car has the gas tube opens on the underside of the battery so it can drain through the floor board of the car. Also the AC Delphi battery has 1000-1200 CCA's.

    That being said, 10 years is pretty incredible! However, I think your pushing it by letting your battery levels go so low . Warning this is a GM, very very sensitive to electrical bugs/problems.

    Your quite a risk taker. Me... I dont like to ride the fence, too hard on the back side.
  • d_stenulsond_stenulson Member Posts: 6
    I would think though that 1850.00 for a car as nice as this is not bad... if you really think about it... i guarantee that if she was going to sell it to someone else and there weren't all these problems with it that she would've sold it for much more than 1850.00... but i do appreciate it ur opinion... and i like the car so much that i would put 2-4k towards it just to be able to keep it and drive it...
  • mastecutormastecutor Member Posts: 18
    Keep the dream alive. I am rooting for you. Just be sure to keep an emergancy fund for when things turn south. I too am a fan of Aurora's but I am also very skeptical of GM electronics and the chronic issues they have in most of their auto's. My first thoughts are to stay away from a car that has complications.

    Enjoy the ride.
  • ndeysayau95ndeysayau95 Member Posts: 14
    Hello there... reading your post and I just have to give you a little advice. The Aurora is a wonderful car no doubt and when they are fully operational they are totally awesome. But, as to everything there is a downside and you have just had your first experience.... They are costly when it comes to repairs, they are a car of their own making and there really aren't too many people that like to work on them, then you have some that will work on them and really don't know what they are doing!
    You and I have a similar scenario.... I got mine from a family member for $1000, and when I got it there was an exisisting problem with overheating. Thought it would be a simple fix (thermostat, water pump) but there was more to it then that. I've had the car for almost 2 years now and have put more into it then what I paid, one repair alone cost me $1697.00 and once again she is sitting in my driveway and I am asking my fellow Aurorians here on the forum questions... look at posts #4063 thru 4071 (those are all me, and one shows a breakdown in repairs).
    What I'm actually trying to say to you is have the car FULLY inspected by someone that knows Aurora's. You have a power steering issue right now, but there could be something else leading to the problem since it has been repaired once. You are young, and there are a lot of other things you can do with your money (school, etc) besides put it into a car that you may soon decide you no longer want. Again, it is an awesome car, but the maintenance is $$$$ if you can understand what I mean.
    Not trying to discourage you, I mean I have so many times wanted to throw the towel in on mine but here she still sits... For this car you have to keep a piggy bank. lol
    Good luck to you, and Happier Aurora days to you! :)
    Monique
  • d_stenulsond_stenulson Member Posts: 6
    Thank you... I appreciate that... you all are very knowledgable when it comes to these cars aren't you... I guess I fell in love with the comfort and style of this car... but it might not be worth it to me to spend pretty much all of my money on it... the thing is, i don't really have many nice things that I can call my own... but with comfort comes a price... and I don't like to settle if you understand what I am saying... even though it's not like the aurora is the nicest car in the world... it's the nicest car anyone in my family has ever owned... and it's mine... Thanks to all for the advice... I appreciate it... And your right... i do need to have it inspected... but i'm just gonna wait until i receive my tax return money
  • ndeysayau95ndeysayau95 Member Posts: 14
    Very wise decisiion... I can understand exactly what you mean by it being your own. When you take it to be inspected, make sure you get a list of everything they find wrong with it (it helps the fellow Aurorians here give you the best advice). I would work on the major things first if any are found, then the not so major things.... once you get her to the status she should be keeping up the maintenance is a MUST on these ladies! I call them ladies because they are high maintnenance. lol You will most definitely appreciate the car, as I said before it is an awesome ride! One other thing to keep in mind, when you have any work performed on the car, always ask for your OLD parts. Not that you will want to keep them, it's just something I have learned to do over the years to insure that what they say was replaced, was actually replaced! However, there are some parts recommended to keep that can be rebuilt considering....
    I wish you nothing but the best! Enjoy the thrill of an Aurora! :)
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Member Posts: 1,380
    There are actually two speed sensors, one internal under the end pan. If something associated with that one fails it will only stop the torque convertor clutch from locking. I'm not sure of the other but it is located on the tranny near the front of engine and on top I think.
    Your codes are from too many different areas to be tranny alone. Did all those codes show up since the tranny problem?
    I would be suspicious of wire damage if they pulled the tranny last time. To get the end pan off, they had to at least shift the transmission sideways and may have damaged something.
    You need to get some good charts such as All Data would have for the car. The fee is quite reasonable.

    With that assortment of codes I have to wonder if there is wire damage. And those charts will allow you to check for any shorts that might have caused the ECM to fail.
    You have a code related to the cruise control circuit and the release of cruise when you push the brake.
    The throttle position sensor is right on the throttle body and hooked to the end of the butterfly shaft.
    I'm not sure what they might be calling throttle switch off the top of my head. Maybe the idle air controller.
    One thing I notice is that the signals for these codes, except the ECM, go through a common connector that is located near the rear of the engine, top of the transmission housing. Careful, old plastic may be brittle.

    But you have those two ECM codes saying that the computer is bad. All Data charts will tell you which are the most important codes. That is if you look up one code, it will tell you that certain other codes can not be set, meaning they have a higher priority.
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Member Posts: 1,380
    Something sounds really strange if I read your problem correctly. That is that you turn the steering wheel but the tires do not move?

    The Rack and Pinion is located against the firewall horizontally. If something to the output end of the rack broke, you'd have movement on one of the tires. So it would have to be internal or the shaft from the steering wheel. I think I read that the subframe needs to be lowered to change the rack. That would make it labor intensive. But those labor books are very generous with time usually. Considering that shop refused to do it a second time makes me suspicious that the problem is related to something they did. Because of the danger evoked that such a failure would occur the part has to pass a high safety standard and I've never heard of such a failure to a rack. Maybe they used some cheaper than dirt part. If you can find the manufacturer of the part you can probably talk them out of a free one considering the age. Labor is a separate issue and listed in a manual such as Chiltons Labor book.
    Back to the input. I'd check to make sure the steering shaft is turning with the steering wheel and is connected at the rack. The connection is accessible fron inside and covered with a rubber boot assembly. You might have to roll the carpet back a little and there are several small bolts holding it in place. The shaft connection is splined and there will be a single bolt, sideways, pinching the coupling tight to the racks input shaft.
    If something is broken between the steering wheel and that point, you have a different breed of problem, nothing to do with the rack.
  • ndeysayau95ndeysayau95 Member Posts: 14
    All those codes were discovered about 14 months ago when my car would shift hard ( I would jerk into each gear). They replaced the torque converter (rebuilt) and all kinds of other parts which is what brought me to $1697. Im curious to know is it common for these things to fail?
    I have this fuse that continues to blow now, I just discovered it Monday. It is the ERLS (Brake-Transaxle Shift Interlock, Heated Oxygen Sensor, Linear EGR). I went through all the fuses on a whim, found this one blown replaced it with a new 15A and as soon as I started it, the fuse blew again.
    Your input on wiring has me curious if they damaged wires... Of course they supplied me with a 6 month or 6000 mile warranty and I am beyond that.
    Is it common for a speed sensor to fail that quickly? I just can't see that being logical.
    Thank you for your input... I don't know what I would do without you all here in the forum!
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