Ford Super Duty - Continued

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  • markbuckmarkbuck Member Posts: 1,021
    Actually will haul about a ton and 1/2 of dirt empty. The "ton" designation has for a long time been just a moniker

    Tom18 - If you really wanna know load capacity, ford has a brochure which allows you to add up all the options, and do a weights and balances equation for each axle (kinda like airplanes). This is really the only way of knowing true capacity. It is probably what led Brutus to the gas motor.
  • tom18tom18 Member Posts: 89
    Wow! Interesting review Post #370- at least the cost is $2000 less - really throws confusion to the potential Ford purchaser - must say I like the Super Duty style but I drove both and the GMC/Chevy had the nicer more comfortable interior and by far the better ride and acceleration in my opinion but the third door continues to bother me. Anyone else drive both trucks and have an opinion ? I am back at square one and will continue to be curious about the future experience of current owners like Brutus. I was getting itchy and discussed a 2000 order out now without firm pricing with a fleet manager at a Ford dealership. I was originally thinking of waiting until January 2000 for serious buying, but now I may delay even longer and look at those four doors on the GMC 2500. My awe and mystic is wearing off.
  • markbuckmarkbuck Member Posts: 1,021
    Read the article - crap! And I bought a new 1/2 ton Silverado!
    The Car and Driver guys are clueless about the reasons for buying a truck and failed to set up the test correctly.

    If you really need a HD truck, right now you ought to buy a SD. My buddy did and it is great!
  • f220swiftf220swift Member Posts: 103
    This article is incredibally helarious. Yes, I agree the GMC may ride better and be more user friendly. However, I live on a large dairy farm in Michigan where user friendly trucks are ok but when it comes down to plowing snow and hauling large loads (cattle,trailers,wagons) on a daily basis, nothing matches up to the Ford. This article did not compare front end payload capacities. For instance, a Ford has a higher rated front end than a GMC, which is excellant for mounting snow plows.

    The article states that the v-10 is slower than the 6.0l empty in the quarter. Lets place a large 5th wheel and head to Florida. That then would be the true test. Yes, the 3/4 ton GMC is a sweet truck, but than why is GMC developing a larger power plant to replace tha 6.0l?
    I would also like to know what kind of gas mil. a GMC gets in their towing mode.
  • mayfordmayford Member Posts: 19
    WOW, there is a ton of info here and some great SD talk. I am kinda new in here, been reading for two days. Got that out of the way and I am ready to post :)
    I ordered a 2000 F-250 SD, swd, 4x4,S-Cab, longbed, 373 LS, V-10, class 4 towing package, Automatic trans. The autotrans has a PTO for running dumpbeds, plows etc... Has anyone used this yet. What kind of snowplows work off this unit. I am thinking about putting a Western plow on it ??? The SD, SC, longbed does not have the option anymore for the snowplow package. It is not a recomended plow truck, so I can't get the stronger springs up front, or the thicker gauged wiring harness etc... I am seeing a lot of SD's on the road and I am going out of my mind. I totaled my 1985 F-150 4x4, and this SD is going to be my FIRST brand new truck, ever. Ya think I am JACKED. Thanks for the help.
  • tom18tom18 Member Posts: 89
    If your concern is carrying heavy loads and some snow plowing do you need the four wheel drive or could you do all right with a reg cab F350 DRW with limited slip? Does this combination carry the heaviest loads in the F350 class and does it come with a long bed? Is an automatic transmission a limiting factor ?
  • f220swiftf220swift Member Posts: 103
    Where and by whom did you here that the snow plow package is not an option on a 3/4 ton. SD. SC. Because currently my farm opperates with a F-250 SD. SC. long bed with a snow plow package and this is as by far the most efficient combination of plow and family excursion vehicle that we have owned. And it looks cool too! Damm it.
  • mayfordmayford Member Posts: 19
    The 2000 model SC, longbed does not have the snowplow package. I tried to order it. The dealer in Mich. North Brothers in westland Michigan. The 1999 SD's offered it, but not the 2000.
  • sd99sd99 Member Posts: 65
    I think the snow plow package may not be available with the V-10 engine because of the extra weight on the front end. It was only available on the 5.4 in 99 if memory serves correctly. I agree, the SD with a Western plow can't be beat, if you are comparing apples to apples.
  • trap2trap2 Member Posts: 19
    The only way to get the snow plow prep package with the super or crew cab is to get the 5.4l V-8 gas engine.
  • mikey43mikey43 Member Posts: 74
    I agree with marbuck and f220swift. If they want to review trucks, they should call it Car and Truck and get somebody who knows something about trucks. Their biggest complaint was its "unruly height" - that it's hard to climb into and it's hard to put a load in the bed. I put nerf bars on my F250 CC 4x4 and my six year old son and nine year old daughter have no problem getting into the back seat. The C&D testers must be old ladies with long tight skirts...

    Scratch that last comment. My 86 year old mother in law also has no problem getting in, but she doesn't wear long tight skirts. If you have a problem with the load height, either get some help lifting that big 30 pound box or get the 4x2!

    I'm beginning to think that my father in law is right. He claims that for 60 years GM has controlled the automotive press and that's why they are always prejudiced against Ford. I used to think that he was slightly delusional but I'm coming more and more around to his opinion.
  • smccarthysmccarthy Member Posts: 31
    New to this board, and have an 'almost' repeat question, but it'll be quick. Want to get an F-250 SD CC short-box with a V8. Figured the V8 would be better MPG. Was told by a dealer that V8's are hard to find because "the V8 hardly pulls the truck". Won't be doing much towing, but really need the full 4-dr; SD seems the only choice - plus it looks cool. Is there ANY truth to the dealer's statement about the V8 being too small for these rigs? Also, is the MPG really any better with the V8 over the V10? V8 owners please let me know!
  • jct9841jct9841 Member Posts: 7
    Hello all,

    Looking for a source for suspension upgrades to my 99 sd 250 diesel, 4x4. I traded in a 95 f250 which handled better. Also looking for a source for wheels to put larger tires on. Thanks in advance.

    John
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    Tom18,

    I don't have a snowplow, but I can give you a little insight on 4wd and F350 DRW. Personally, I wouldn't own one in snow country without the 4wd. It makes a huge difference, especially after a fresh snow. The downfall of a 2wd pickup in snow country is that you have no weight in the back and those two wheels are trying to push the full weight of the truck (7000+ pounds in a F350 dually).

    Back in March, I was driving the highway in 2wd. It had snowed the night before, but the roads were clear to the pavement. At one point, I had to slow down to about 30mph to yield to a tow truck who was pulling someone out of the ditch. When I accelerated back up to speed, I nearly lost it. I was very close to sideways, but recovered. If I was in 4wd, that same acceleration would not have been a problem, because my front tires are pulling, so the rear tires can't push out from under me.

    I wasn't horsing around and trying to accelerate quickly either. The Suburban in front of me did the same thing, but wasn't as fortunate. He fishtailed into the ditch at almost 90 degrees, flipped over on his roof and back up on his wheels facing the other direction. Fortunately, both people were wearing seatbelts and walked away from the accident.

    Another thing to consider is that duallys are heavy trucks and they have long wheel bases. . I have a friend who has a cabin at a place called Big Lake. They have an ice road the length of the lake in the winter. When my friend gets to his cabin, he drives off the ice road, over a snow berm and drives a couple of hundred yards to the cabin in about 12-18 inches of snow. He does this with a 94 F-250 HD SC 4x4 shortbed and he does it pulling a snowmachine trailer. I tried the same thing and was getting stuck every 30 feet or so. The snow was soft, the truck weighed about 2000 pounds more than his truck, I had a longer wheel base, and I had the duallys. My truck handles fantastic on the road in 4wd in winter conditions, even in 12+ inches of fresh snow, but off-road is another situation.

    By the way, I went out of town this weekend with the camper. I got 9mpg on the first tank and 8.7 on the second. Your mph makes a pretty big difference. I can get really close to 10mpg with the cruise control at 55mph on fairly level terrain. At 60mph, I can get about 9mph. At 65, I'm down in the low 8 mpg range. You can see the trend. My mpg running empty is about 3 mpg better. Remember, I 've got the 4.30s and the duallys. With the camper on, I weigh about 12,000 pounds.
  • connonconnon Member Posts: 52
    Try National Tire and Wheel...http://www.natltire.com. as a source for rubber and rims.they also deal in various lift kits.
  • kubeskubes Member Posts: 23
    A while back somebody post a note about using GoodYear 305 AT/S tires on stock rims. The truck I have on order is a 2000 F250 SD CC SB V10 4X4 Lariat.

    I have a few questions

    - how do they fit with the stock suspension?

    - is there enough clearance?

    _ how do they look on the truck?

    - is it safe, because the tire is rated for a
    8-10 inch rim and the stock rims are 7.5 inches?

    - does it wear funny?
  • farmermikefarmermike Member Posts: 7
    I have a 99 sd sc longbox 4x4 with a 5.4 and it works great.I pull a 35 foot travel trailer and have no problems pulling it.The mileage is not bad at 8mpg pulling the trailer (at 70 mph) and at almost 17 mpg on the highway empty(at 75 mph)The v10s mileage will be a little better pulling a trailer than the 5.4 but the highway mileage will be about the same.I almost forgot to say that I get about 13.5 in the city.
  • smccarthysmccarthy Member Posts: 31
    Thanks for the input, that's good to hear. May have to wait for the 2000 models to get exactly what I want - but will see what a broker can do. Sure wish I'd gotten started sooner!

    Anybody know when pricing will be available for the 2000 models?
  • my375284my375284 Member Posts: 10
    Hi SD friends. Haven't been in here for some time. A long way back someone presented a link to a way of computing mph (speed) with different tire sizes. Can anyone refer me back to it? By the way, I am averaging 18.2 mpg with my psd. Not bad for Montana highway speeds.
  • mayfordmayford Member Posts: 19
    You can get a snowplow package on a SC, longbed if it is a V-8, but not with the V-10.

    Is it pretty tough to plow with such a long rig ???
  • jct9841jct9841 Member Posts: 7
    Connon,

    thanks for the referral to national tire.

    John
  • farmermikefarmermike Member Posts: 7
    No I've plowed snow for three years with a sc longbox and have had no problems getting around with it.
  • cowboyjpmcowboyjpm Member Posts: 17
    I have a blunt, and probably redundant (sorry) question, to follow up what MAPETRY posted.

    WILL 285/75 R16 TIRES FIT ON STOCK SUPERDUTY WHEELS, AND WILL THEY CLEAR EVERYTHING UP FRONT WHILE TURNING ON AN UN-LIFTED F350?????

    Mine is on order, and I would like to know what tires I can replace the stock ones with as soon as I get it.

    Thanks
  • jct9841jct9841 Member Posts: 7
    Hello all,

    Talking to a Ford mechanic about tires yesterday. He allowed that if you vary from the approved sizes as what can be ordered from Ford that you run the risk of voiding the warranty if you have any transmission, etc. problems. Anyone run into this?

    John
  • cowboyjpmcowboyjpm Member Posts: 17
    I have always replaced the factory available tires with the largest possible without a lift, and have never had a problem getting warranty issues repaired. I had an auto-tranny fail after only 19000 miles that had 255/85's on it. The question actually came up when I had it towed into the dealership. The mechanic said that it would have to be obviously the tires fault in order to void the warranty. Such as trying to turn 44's without the proper axle. Basically he said that as long as the tires will fit on the front axle of an unlifted vehicle with at least 1/2 to 1" clearance from any obstruction (fender / suspension parts) then there should be no question about warranty problems.

    With that in mind I'll reiterate my first question, does anyone know if the 285's will fit stock rims on the 99/2000 SD's, and if so will they fit on the front without rubbing??

    Thanks
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    It's my understanding that there is a federal law that says that to void a warranty, the manufacturer has to prove that it was the after market part that caused the problem. Of course, if you get into a [non-permissible content removed] for tat with the manufacturer, you may end up having to hire a third party mechanic to plead your case, and possibly get the manufacturer of the after market product involved.

    On my 92 F-250HD, I put BFG 285s on and they cleared the front. Although I sat up higher, I could definitely feel that it took more power to get the truck rolling than with my 265s and I was hitting the gas stations more often. Overall, I felt the 265s were a better fit for the truck and the ride was better. I can't speak for the 285s on the SDs. My 99 is a dually, so I've got the 235s.
  • cowboyjpmcowboyjpm Member Posts: 17
    Thanks Brutus on the tire info. It does sound like the 285's will fit the SD as there is (marginally) more room up front. I do have a ? for you though, what engine did you have in your 92?? I'm going to be running the V10, and am wondering about your comment on the drag in power (which I know you'll get with any tire size increase).

    Thanks
  • siedensieden Member Posts: 6
    Does anyone know when the prices for the 2000 F250 SD will be out. The dealer keeps telling me they should be out in a couple of weeks for a month now.
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    I had the 351 in my 92 (I think it was called a 5.7L or 5.8L). I still had plenty of power. It's just that I could definitely tell that I was carrying around more rubber. Those are some pretty good size tires. I have no complaints about the 92. My experience with that truck is what inspired me to buy the new Ford. I put 86,000+ miles on the 92 before I sold it.
  • sikorasikora Member Posts: 6
    Re: Posts #381 and #386

    I understand that there is an F150 CC available in 2000. Have you considered one of these? They may be hard to come by at first, and you would have to get by with a 5.5 ft box. It would also depend upon how much weight you would "occasionally tow"; you would not want to go above F150 CC rating.

    I have an F250 SD CC LWB 5.4L-V8 4.10LS 5spd 4X2. The V8 has plenty of power to "pull the truck", although I must admit that I have not used it for towing yet. First gear seems to be a granny gear, and I start out in second. From what I have read in earlier posts, the 2000 trucks will come out with V8's and V10's that have more horsepower due to improved heads so if you get a V8 (or V10) it will have higher performance than the 99's. I have only driven in the city, and I get about 13.3 mpg. I hope to get close to 17 on the highway like farmermike.

    I chose the V8 when I ordered my truck because I was concerned with gas mileage, primarily when empty, as I would only do occasional light (2000-5000 lbs) towing for relatively short distances. I also wanted the limited slip differential and at that time it was only available with the 4.10 and not the 3.73 (I think). I understand it is now available with the 3.73 (again, I think so, someone correct me if I am wrong). This was before I discovered this forum and the mpg discussions. If I were to do it over again, and if a couple of people in this forum could verify for sure that they got anywhere close to 17 mpg highway while running empty with the V10 and 3.73, I would have to seriously consider getting that combination. But I am happy with my 5.4L V8!

    As for the 5.4L V8's being rare, I have been taking an informal survey of F250 SD (CC only) in the north Dallas area. Yes, the V8's are rare here, but so are the V10's. I have seen 4 or 5 V8's and 4 or 5 V10's, and about a million PSDs.
  • cowboyjpmcowboyjpm Member Posts: 17
    On the line of the 285's, I know that the stock wheel on the SD's is a 7" wide wheel. The 285 needs a minimum of a 7.5" wheel, so I was going to do a little shopping (I was planning on 8's). Does anyone know what the stock offset is on the Ford wheels? I want to keep as close to stock on that as possible so as not to mess up my turning geometry (both with the steering system, and so that the tires won't rub). Any firm knowledge will be much appreciated.

    Thanks again,
    Cowboy
  • ronw3ronw3 Member Posts: 1
    I'm also waiting to order a 2000 SD V10 and have been told by the dealer here in Colorado Springs it will probably be around the end of July. Ref BigReds concern regarding a Fleet Sales dealer. I sent an E-Mail to Fleet Sales and they gave me a dealer in Castle Rock about 30 mi S of denver. I went there and drove a PSD and V10. When we went to talk price the best they would give me was a 1000$ over invoice. I can buy for 2% over invoice here in the 'Springs.
  • cowboyjpmcowboyjpm Member Posts: 17
    I guess I have never flat out asked this. Will a 285/75 fit (safely) on a 7" rim???

    Thanks again
  • ande157ande157 Member Posts: 23
    I have 285/75x16 BFG ATs on my 99 F-250 SD V10
    4x4. They fit the truck perfectly, no rubbing whatsoever. As for safety, I was told by TireRack (mailorder outfit, very reputable and reliable)that you can safely fit 285's on the stock 7" rim, but that 8" rims would be ideal. I kept the stock rims and have experienced no adverse handling effects as a result. They do ride rougher than the stock tires, probably due to stiffer sidewalls. Replaced the stock tires right after I bought the truck so no observation about MPG difference. They work great off road and look great to boot. BTW, mine are the "old" BFG ATs, not the new BFG AT KO being advertised currently.
  • cowboyjpmcowboyjpm Member Posts: 17
    Thanks Ande157. That's exactly what I was looking for.
  • sd99sd99 Member Posts: 65
    smccarthy

    I have a 99SD SC SB with the 5.4 engine. Anyone who says it won't pull the truck is nuts. I tow a 20ft boat and plow snow (not at the same time) and the engine handles it just fine. Very pleased with the truck and the performance. Getting 13 to 14 MPG in the city, and 16.5 on the highway. Great truck. Good luck.
  • drozdroz Member Posts: 30
    I also have the 5.4 engine. I guess if they ever make a V12, then the V10 will be considered underpowered. I tow 7500 lbs of Bobcat and trailer. No, I can't go up a hill with it in overdrive but other than that it certainly is not underpowered.
  • craigocraigo Member Posts: 2
    I'm at my wits end. Any advice or experiences of what to do would be appreciated. Ordered F250 XLT SD 4x4 rc V8 - DEC 10, 1998. STILL no truck! Dealer originally estimated early March delivery. I called the dealer in February (before putting my old truck on the market), and was told that the truck should still arrive in March. I sold my old F250 in a matter of days, and waited for the new one. Meanwhile I was without a truck; which is a vital peice of equipment for a self employed contractor, but I figured I could handle it for 3 or 4 weeks. (I've lost a lot of money from business I had to turn down since then.) From that point on I was told continually by the manager at the dealership, that it wasn't yet scheduled, and that no options or parts were holding up the order, but they expected it to be scheduled any day now, and it had their highest priority, and I would "just have to wait"... Then in mid may, I got a call saying that Ford had informed them that the truck hadn't been scheduled and they had stopped the build for the model year, and it wouldn't be built as a 1999, and it would have to be re-ordered as a 2000. (I just saw an archived post tonight that says that Ford was accepting NEW orders until May 7th, and were still building until 7/3!) My dealer appears to be a lying peice of dung. Numerous calls to Ford Custumer "care" since April, yeilded nothing. They couldn't or wouldn't give me the status of my order, requests to escalate to management went unfulfilled. They couldn't even give me a number to call to get my questions answered. They should replace their customer service line with a recording that says "call your dealer". All I want to know is if the snake in the grass dealer placed the order on the day that my signed contract says he did. You can't tell me a corporation like ford can't track an order. Letters to Customer service, the CEO, and Chairman have gone unanswered. At this point I want answers, the truck, compensation for waiting this long, and quite frankly I want somebody's head. I called the automated line posted here, and the truck says it is "clean and unscheduled", no priority given or anything like that, but I just called tonight, and that is probably just the order for the 99 model. I have a VIN on the 2000 order and it is tentative for build on Aug 2nd. Any way to bump that up I wonder?
    Does anyone know where else I can turn? Are there any lawyers out there that want to go after a big corporation, that just broke an operating profits record this past quarter? Please? Sorry for the long post, but I just had to vent after 8 months of the run-around, and seeing many others getting trucks in 8-12 weeks, and hundereds of SD trucks on the road every day... By the way, I wouldn't normally do this but under the circumstances... the Dealer is Sheey Ford in Gaithersburg, MD. Salesman was Pete Fulton, and Manager was Jim Fitzpatrick. If anyone out there ever feels compelled to walk into this dealership, do yourself a favor and steer clear!
  • KEH4x4KEH4x4 Member Posts: 109
    I would tell the dealer to either give me a used loaner truck off his lot to use until the new truck comes in, or you will order from some other dealer and sue his dealership for lost wages. Also I would post on as many forums as you can find, the dealers name and what hapened. I bought my truck from Five Star Ford in Scottsdale AZ, and was VERY UNHAPPY with them. I will never buy anything from them again, or go there for service. They tried to fleece about an extra thousand dollars out of me at delivery. They didn't want to keep their word that was on the signed agreed on price on the purchace order. And I will tell the story to anybody that will listen in hopes to protect them from going through the bad experience that I went through.
    Comments like the one that I just made are the type of comments you should be posting everywhere. And when you get your new truck and people ask you about it(and believe me many will talk with you about it), tell them how unhappy you were with the dealership.
    As for Ford customer service, I have had many Fords in my life. This is the third brand new one. I don't know if I will ever buy another Ford again simply because of what I see as a lack of concern from Ford. I love the truck, but I am very disapointed in Ford Motor Company.
  • cone1cone1 Member Posts: 1
    I have a 99 superduty supercab 4x4 that only has 2000 miles, rust has formed on many parts of the front suspension ,the steering box, and even the cast iron parts of the engine that you can see are covered in rust. took it back to dealer and they say it is normal and they will do nothing. IS every ones superduty rusting up front? Waited 6 1/2 months for this truck after I orded it.
  • KEH4x4KEH4x4 Member Posts: 109
    I bought brand new vehicles in 88, 91, 94, 97, and 99. They all got this light surface rust within the first year. Especially in the front. I think the heat helps it rust, plus more chance of sand, dirt etc kicking up and sandblasting the paint off of parts. You can go to a car dealer in your area that is closed and check under some of the late model cars and trucks and see if they are rusty too. It is normal in my area. I wouldn't worry about it. If you live in a high rust prone area, you may want to think about undercoating, painting, hosing down after going on salted roads, or other rust preventive methods.
  • tom18tom18 Member Posts: 89
    Can anyone explain the the Gas Guzzler and/or Luxury tax concept and tell me if it applies to the super duty F250 or F350 in any of its configurations ? I am unclear about any extra costs beyond my 5.5 sales tax in WI and the price that I can bargin with from the dealer.
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    I think that a lot of this is due to the fact that nowadays many underbody components are left unpainted or unprotected. I can understand that cast suspension components will last the life of the vehicle whether painted or not, but it worries me that they don't even paint driveshafts these days. I suppose that the cost of the paint saved over hundreds of thousands of vehicles is fairly substantial.
  • cdeancdean Member Posts: 1,110
    It is a very common engineering practice to "design" rust into a system. There is certain grades of steel (or chemical makeup that can be mixed into steels) that their sole purpose is to rust quickly. What happens is there is a light coat of surface rust that forms over the steel, that does NOT grow deeper than the surface, and actually protects the piece from anymore corrosion. it is cheaper to do it that way (especially for non-cosmetic parts) than to paint a part that would probably have paint worn off it quickly anyway.

    This is used a lot in the highway building business. If you've ever drove under the big "spaghetti bowls" of Houston or Dallas, you may notice that (sometimes) the main frame of the upper level overpasses are made of steel I-beams and not concrete. I know for sure that is how the steel used in these I-beams is designed. I haven't heard of any specific uses in the automotive industry, but it would not surprise me at all, since this can be done with very high strength materials.
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    Well, I'll believe you, but I'd have a tough time doing so if it was a car salesman telling me the same thing!
    ......."Oh yes sir, that's 'programmed rust'. It's designed to rust more quickly so that you can justify trading up to another new truck sooner".......
  • jimvetajimveta Member Posts: 96
    is there any sort of replacement for the stock
    (front) cupholders for the f250 SD xlt?
    they're absolutely worthless--had a bottle in it,
    made a (normal) turn, and it flew out..
    i also have 40/20/40 bench seats, otherwise i'd
    just use the center console
  • mikey43mikey43 Member Posts: 74
    I agree that they are worse than useless.

    I couple of weeks ago, I went out and got some food to go (Greek by the way) for my family for dinner. I had a full cup of soda (with a plastic lid) in the right cup holder. When I turned left out of the parking lot I had to punch it a little and the cup literally flew out of the holder and the top came off when it hit. Assuming a major sticky disaster I hurried home as fast as I could and got bucket of water ready, thinking that the only way to get the nasty stuff off the carpet would be to rinse out the passenger side with a lot of water.

    Lucky (I guess) for me, the cup had flown all the way over to the passenger side door and landed squarely in the plastic side pocket. The pocket was full of the cup, the lid and a big pile of ice. The liquid had leaked out, but only at the edge of the carpet from where it was fairly easy to soak up and rinse out. Only a few drops had splattered elsewhere.

    I guess I got out of a potentially disastrous lesson easily: Use the cup holders but never assume that they will hold a cup when turning!
  • markbuckmarkbuck Member Posts: 1,021
    bitchin' about your cupholders? Yawl need some real stress in your lives.......
  • connonconnon Member Posts: 52
    plus they are fairly useless if you have anything plugged into the powerpoint.any suggestions on powering items such as a CB from the fuse box? these mini blade fuses are quite difficult to work with.right now I have a double power adapter in the powerpoint and am also using the cig lighter to power up my radar, cell phone and CB.this works, but looks like crap with all these wires dangling all over the place.
  • jimvetajimveta Member Posts: 96
    i guess i was a bit luckier to have learned that
    fact with a bottle :)
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