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Edit: I got a call from a dealership a few days ago saying they had a '6 in like I requested. I had to explain to him that I went 150 miles away to find one myself- over a month ago. Mean anything?
Todd: You're right. VERY few people knew about the 626 and even less know about the 6. Unless you're an enthusiast you don't know it exists. I haven't seen any commercials besides the ones in movie theatres so far and only a newspaper add - in the Wheels section (that only car nuts like me read).
Dinu
Be careful, rotary engines haven't been the most reliable. I've heard the key to long life is religious oil changes. No doubt that, if anything, the rotary is worth it. The RX-8 should be amazing.
Or, you could get a '6 and a Segway Human Transporter with the saved cash.
Which, actually, doesn't make sense, because rotaries are used in some aircraft where reliability is extremely important. Rotaries use far fewer moving parts, which makes a case for them being more reliable.
Also I am just ticked that the sales people misrepresented the car so badly as that is the place you would expect to get the most reliable information.
The other factor is you can get a 6 below MSRP and I don't know what demand will do to prices of the 8???? I would guess it will have more to do with how people perceive the car. If it is perceived as a Sedan (heaven forbid) it may have to sell close to MSRP but if it is perceived as a sports car I will have to pony up a bit of extra money to get it right away.
That is assuming its worth that much more than the 6. If I buy today it is the 6.
Well if sales are lower than expected then at least my car will draw more stares on the road(have to look for a silver lining somewhere), I don't think the Canadian sales figures will be as proportionately as bad as Mazda has always done much better here. I see Tributes everywhere, not many Escapes and they have alot of competition as well.(Rav4, Forester, CRV)
My sales experience here was good as both dealers I visited called me when the 6 arrrived in the showroom. One salesman left 3 messages.
"That hasn't slowed the Accord..."
A few suggestions:
1. Make side-curtain airbags and ABS standard, just like the Passat and promote the idea that SAFETY IS NOT AN OPTION WITH ZOOM-ZOOM!
2. Simplify trim levels, just like Honda with zero factory options. Yes, I know this won't satisfy everyone, but customers will know upfront what they can/cannot definitely get and this will also reduce manufacturing cost.
3. Aggressively promote price and/or financing just like Mitsubishi. Even though the 6 is simply the best mid-size sedan, it's like launching a new brand and that needs all the incentives possible.
4. Import if necessary, but start selling the unique hatch NOW. This is a no-brainer: more utility in a sedan-look vehicle.
Any Canadians out there know what the new Accords sales figures are here? If they're high then all the owners must be hiding them in their garage. (not a bad idea we have enough eyesores in the city)
I've seen a few, but very few that is. I rode in one and while the interior is nice, the ride is a bit bumpy (worse than the PRO I think) and the looks are... well we all know how they are.
Dinu
Dinu
Both my next door neighbors (one on each side) lease their vehicles. The only ones purchased are the beaters bought by their kids (and only on one side, the two on the other are leasing theirs after they bought then sold their first cars...both used).
We, on the other hand, don't lease. We save and then buy and hold for about 10 years. Different priorities.
Of course, this means I'm 6 years from my next vehicle, and my wife is 10 years off. Auto mfrs hate to hear that. However, the RX-8, 6 hatch/wagon or 3 wagon might shorten my cycle somewhat.
I've seen more 6 in my area. Of course, the dealers in my area were all willing to deal (including S-plan) right off. But I bet some are putting off their purchase until Mazda NA finally makes the hatch and wagon available. Nice as the 6 sedan is, I know my next daily driver will be a 5dr hatch or wagon (I'm making an exception for the RX-8, if I fit into it), not a sedan.
Once you drive one and get a sense for winding out an engine to no end, replacing it every 100k is nothing but normal budgeted maintenance: the cost of a good time.
I'm starting to waver on the lip spoiler though. I can't get a clear picture of one. The brouchure has a bad angle of it. Has anybody seen a side shot of a 6 with it or better yet on the road. Does it suit the car? It seems the car looks better clean without the GFX so I wouldn't want to ruin the look without knowing beforehand what it looks like with the lip especially if I have to put on a STO6 sticker. I have no patience to wait to see one on the road in Toronto with it.
My current car is leased(although I can't write it off) thinking that by the time the tires and brakes need replacing I would have traded it in. Boy was I wrong, had to replace the tires last year and the brakes after 2 years(I was driving the crap out of it)I'm just hoping that the battery or exhaust doesn't go before I turn it in next month.
I know the Mazda dealer wanted me to lease very badly to a point where we almost got into an argument. He should be happy that I bought one of their cars and didn't wait for the discounting.
I was very impressed with the honda, but after alot of looking into it I found that alot of them have problems, yes you heard right, a honda with problems.
Vibrating steering wheel when idle
Bad eggs smell inside of car
steering pulling in different directions
I drove a couple of the hondas and found the above problems in various Honda Ex's.
I also read several other people on here talking about the same thing, when I read that I thought the Honda is out.
Availability on the Honda EX V6 here is Canada is very bad, due to a strike which took place in America.
When I checked out the Mazda and could hardly find any fault with it, I had to order it.
The lease price is high, but I like to change cars every three years, I love new toys!
So for me leasing is the cheapest option.
The mazda for me was more fun to drive than the honda and to me it felt just as good build quality if not better.
But everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Jason.
As for the spoiler, personally I'm not a fan of the lip spoiler - I like the spoiler that sits higher off the trunk with the integrated light. Of course if you were to offer me your 6 for a day, lip spoiler or no spoiler I would not say no. It's impolite after all
Dinu
Dinu
PS: Another USELESS post from work.
2. Barely any advertising.
3. The Accord/Camry market is hard to penetrate.
4. Misinformation: Mazda=Ford
And yeah, I'll be sure to wave/yell/scream if I see you.
Dinu
(from Mazada6 build page at Maz website)
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You have selected the Power Moonroof, $700
This requires the addition of
Comfort Package
BOSE® Audio Package
Sport Package
Leather Seat Upholstery
Adding all of these items will increase the MSRP of the vehicle by a total of $3275 <---------------
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The dealer is trying to talk us into an aftermarket moonroof. I just have a real emotional problem with somebody taking a metal saw to the roof of our new car. I also don't want to deal with another company if there is any problems in the future with the roof.
As mentioned above, if we went with the 6s and want side air bags (which we do) we get stuck with the same $3K+ bundle of options we don't want.
You don't win new buyers over to your brand with option bundles that appeal to about 10% of the market. Talk about a sales prevention strategy?
Similarly, you can get a moonroof on the Mazda6 as a port installed option without the extra baggage. All this means is you'll have to order the car.
Personally, if the price is right, I'd say you're better off with the aftermarket moonroof (who knows- it may be the same part #), especially if it comes with a lifetime warranty.
Sunroofs are something I couldn't care less about, but people love em, don't they? My 2003 Saab 9-3 has one, but I've used it maybe once.
Or, you could always just roll a window down for free.
I wanted a moonroof as well on my 6 but it only came with the upgraded Bose(which I could accept) but also the GFX package(which I definately don't want). Mazda does really need to rearrange their packages. They might have lost a sale with me if I didn't love the way this damn car drives!
If the salesman doesn't call back: You may have told him you aren't ready to buy.; He's lazy and doesn't know the finer points of salesmanship.; It may be his first job selling cars.; or it's a dealer who doesn't give a damn.
When a salesman doesn't return my call, or fails to call after leaving my name and number, I do NOT buy from that dealer no matter how anxious I am to get the car.
Newcar31: You asked if an ordered car is considered sold by the factory? An article on USAToday.com, "Car Glut Coming", states "all cars shipped are considered sold". So an ordered car would also be "sold" because the buyer signed a contract he can't walk away from. Whether you take delivery or not you owe the dealer x-amount $$$.
Never sign a contract at one dealership and, another dealer calls and says he has the car you want, and you buy from him. Big legal battle coming up, lawyer's fees, court costs, etc.
fowler3
The old roofs used to leak all the time but technology is a wonderfull thing.
Get the roof aftermarket and save the money.
I agree with you on this item. I was willing to "live with" the GFX package for the GT-I4, but am unwilling to go with the black leather interior. I've emailed Mazda Canada and asked them to reconsider their option packages.
Still waiting to hear back from them. Hope to hear from them soon. If not, maybe the Acura TSX will be worthing waiting for.
Neo2004
Or, conversely, get it as a port installed option. Repeat after me: You do not have to conform to Mazda's factory option groups!!!
Additionally even if the roof is installed at the factory I'd rather have the clean factory look and not the raised aftermarket one.
And one last thing if they put the roof in at the port, why do ALL aftermarket moon roofs have that lip. You'd think some aftermarket supplier would have figured out how to eliminate the lip/frame.
By the way at least the January sales of the 6 DID increase from last month and HAVE been steadily increasing each month.
As far as cars being considered sold when shipped, they are wholesaled to the dealer as soon as they are shipped. However, as far as retail sales are concerned, the sale is recorded when the retail customer takes delivery. Until that point, the car is not considered sold.
and your last comment only partially redeems you. :-)
Serves me right for trusting one. No offense to the good ones out there...
In regards to the Mazda moonroof being a PIO- you can still order a car with a moonroof as a port installed option. If memory serves me correct (there's my disclaimer!), it was listed in the dealer's computer as available as a PIO, and the dealer did call Mazda directly to confirm the computer program's correctness. This conflicts with what you are saying... where's the inconsistantcy here?
I actually doubt they make them drive them unless you are talking about their field staff who might have a company demo car. What the companies do sometimes is offer deals that make it ultra cheap to lease one for a period of time. It's a quick way to boost the retail figures in a time of need too.