Mazda6 Sedan

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  • m6owneronedaym6owneroneday Member Posts: 23
    If you still can't get it to work, take the car back to the dealer. I took my '99 Civic back for skipping and they replaced my unit (still under warranty) Its completely possible you have a laser problem, especially if other M6 owners have no prob playing CD-R's
  • mazdarx8mazdarx8 Member Posts: 1
    I find the 6 much more appealing than Altima, Accord, Camry, and Passat. But I really HATE how you have to buy a whole package just to get the options you want. If you want the 16 inch wheels, you have to buy the "Luxury Package". If you want the 17 inch wheels, you will have to buy the "Sport Package". I do think that the sport package is a good option, but I don't like the way the sill extensions look on the car. If you want fog lights, you will have to buy the sports package. This is just rediculus. I was considering the Altima as my future new car, but buy the time I hope to buy one, Nissan would have already added those ugly buck teeth on all of the Nissans' grills, so I'm looking at the 6.
  • aromasaromas Member Posts: 314
    richn2: You're not being a bother, this is what the board is all about, helping people find info about this great car. You're a pretty smart buyer already by going for the 6. Don't know much about the S-plan though something about a discount thru Ford I think. Someone please tell him what it is, he's so polite and a future 6 owner shouldn't be kept waiting.

    P.S.: A friendly piece of advice, get the sports grille it is so coooool!
  • mpiatekmpiatek Member Posts: 68
    The S-plan is a family/friends plan that Mazda has. It's equivalent to the Ford A-plan/X-plan/Z-plan (Ford has three different pricing levels depending if you are an immediate relative, or a more distant relative, or friend, etc). Basically, if you have a family member or a friend who works for Mazda, Ford, or any Mazda partner/supplier, then you have the option of getting S-plan pricing. On my car, the S-plan price is close to the invoice price, so it's a pretty good deal. Also, as far as I know, you still get all the Mazda incentives off the S-plan price. Currently the only incentive is the student discount I believe.

    In order to get the pricing, you have to have the family member or friend fill out an application for the program, and then they will get a PIN number for you. You just have to take the PIN number to your dealer and they should be able to give you the S-plan price.

    Mike
  • fowler3fowler3 Member Posts: 1,919
    richn2: The S-Plan is a special discount offered by Ford through their dealer network. If you or a relative works for a Ford dealer (includes Mazda, Jaguar, Mercury, etc.), parts supplier, or other affiliate you may qualify for the S-plan. The buyer is given a PIN number to give to the dealer he is buying from. The S-Plan is optional with dealers, they do not have to accept it, but most do.

    mpiatech is correct, between the two of us hope this explains it.

    You can also join the Experimental Aircraft Association, online ($40 a year), and get a PIN number through the EAA. Ford sponsors EAA.

    http://www.eaa.org

    After joining you have to wait 12-months before using the S-plan. No waiting period if you qualify under the others mentioned above.(It use to be immediate but many took advantage of the EAA connection.) There is also a $500 graduate discount, if you graduated university in the past 2-years. They can be combined.

    The S-Plan: The dealer sells a car at 1.5% over "invoice". Buyer has to accept the dealer's trade allowence for his car, or buys straight -- no trade. Be aware that "invoice" is not dealer net, it is a reference point. There is still Hold Back and other incentives for dealers in "invoice".

    mazdarx8: You can buy fog lights for any Mazda6. They go in the end openings on the lower part of the bumpercap, price $250. With the Sport Package the fog lights go between the headlights where the dark grey lens is.

    HID headlights are not available for MZ6's, they require a converter or transformer Mazda did not design the light units to accept. Mazda does not recommend Hi-intesity bulbs.

    CD-R: Some CD-Rs would not play in Protegé's CD players, usually due to labeling throwing them off balance. I think it also had to do with how tight the tracks were. Color may also play a part.

    My note: I think it is really dumb that you can not get the Bose audio if you order ABS, and you can not get ABS if you order a Moonroof. All three should be standalone options.

    fowler3
  • jbchapmanjbchapman Member Posts: 21
    It should fit in the trunk with the seats folded down, but you'll probably have to remove the front wheel to do it. Slide it in rear wheel first.

    I have carried my road bike in this way over many years in various sedans, including a '96 Accord and a '91 Protege.
  • alcjewalcjew Member Posts: 173
    That was a great drive home from work in the snow with the 6. Whether its dry, rain or snow, it's a blast driving to and from work, 72 mi round highway trip.

    M6owneroneday: For that $635 (retail) Bose system you get the 4 full range speakers, 2 tweeters, amplified subwoof, 200 watt sound system, in-dash 6 disc CD changer. If you have an e-mail address I can send you photos of the Bose speaker system from my 6s.

    fowler3: Where did you read/hear that Mazda doesn't recommend HID bulbs? But I will contact Mazda customer tech service to verify. I read that the Euro M6 come standard with HID and use the same projector light beam housing except with the HID Xenon setup vs halogen. I think that the RX-8 uses the common projector beam unit from the M6 it will come with HID. HIDs consumes less power (35W vs 55W) but still generates a higher output due to the non-filament arc xenon gas flled bulbs vs filament halogen gas bulbs. The aftermarket plug & play HIDs conversion kits comes complete with the Xenon bulbs, wire harness and ballast.
  • m6owneronedaym6owneroneday Member Posts: 23
    Thnx, alcjew. I don't know what my inbox attachment limit is but my email is completely empty. Thanks again for the pictures of the Bose speakers.

    ChetCV@yahoo.com
  • alcjewalcjew Member Posts: 173
    Zaimon: I don't mind not seeing that many 6's around! I've only seen one 6 besides mines where I live. You'll see a sea of Accords or Camrys, ho hum, boring. You zip past someone driving an Accord, Camry or whatever (non-6), and they'll say "What was that great looking car that just passed me, I've never seen that kind of car before?"

    bluong 1: 626to6 on post #8611 about the Mazda Speed Yellow, that's the Mazda trademark name for their Yellow color, not the MazdaSpeed6 that's coming out for sale later.

    M6owneroneday: After market GPS are a lot better and some may fit in the storage box (Nav location for Euro6's) on top of the dash with some cutouts in the storage shelf. vocus to: With the 6's low center of gravity and its inherent stability (Believe me, it has been very stable for me through many situations so far) it doesn't need DSC. It has traction control which is good enough. High CG vehicles and many rear wheel drive vehicles need it, especially during bad road conditions due to the weather. For HID, plug and play aftermarket conversion kits are available for around $500.
  • zaimonzaimon Member Posts: 124
    Students within 2 years of completing a degree can also qualify for the Mazda Graduate Program.

    I remember about 2 years ago when I was shopping for the Tribute, instead of offering the cash back incentive (back then it was only $300 dollars) you could actually get a Palm M100 from Mazda instead of cash back.
  • zaimonzaimon Member Posts: 124
    The effect of having a glance a striking car is nowhere near as effective as when you enjoy an extended visit with it. When I saw my first 6 on the street I was mesmerized! She was a steel grey with sport package heading west on University Avenue in Berkeley. It was about 5:30 in the afternoon, and we were driving into a golden sun setting over the golden gate bridge across the bay. That had to have lasted at least 15 minutes. Alas she was taken. Not that it actually was so fantasy-like, you can't buy that kind of experience with a commercial!

    I'd like to be in the same boat as you, but then again you own the car! Those of us who can only drool at pictures will never know until we're sitting in the driver's seat. Nevertheless, it's good to know that the Mazda6 will not be as ubiquitous as all those Camcords (for some time), although I would like to see Mazda at least come within an arm's reach of their sales goals.

    Still hunting for my next close encounter of the 6th kind... Sorry for all the cliches...
  • ruefusruefus Member Posts: 254
    "I know this is a wierd request, but has anyone tried to put a bike in the trunk using the fold down seats? I'm curious to know if it would fit."

    That isn't a weird request at all. I've stuck my road bike in the trunk of my Stratus and done the same with my mountain. No problems after taking the front wheel off.

    But a better solution would be to get the bolt-on trailer hitch that's available and get something like a SportWorks or Hollywood rack.

    If you're pulling the bike in and out a lot, sooner or later the car will pay the price. This modest investment (under $250 all told, depending on the rack you choose)prevents that.
  • chikoochikoo Member Posts: 3,008
    no difference in data and music CD for the CD-player.
    And I burn mine at 32x.
    Works great on my Pro ES cd player.
    It has never skipped due to road irregularities.
    Anytime my CD skips(actually it keeps spinning 'cause it cannot find the tracks), it has been due to smudge marks....i simply wipe it off and away it goes!!!
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    Here is the build mix for May production of the Mazda6

    All orders must be in before 3/18 for may production june delivery.

    I4 auto 45%
    I4 stick 10%
    V6 auto 40%
    V6 stick 5%
    sport pkg 30% (both models)
    ABS/TCS I4 55%
    audio pkg 49%
    cold/leather 44%
    moonroof 52%
    SAB/SAC 35%
    16'' alloys 34%
  • stretchsjestretchsje Member Posts: 700
    ...either demand shifted, or Mazda isn't trying to meet demand of V6 manuals.

    In any event, I still like my i4 manual :)
  • wotolliverwotolliver Member Posts: 6
    Did they change any option configurations? I wantthe moon roof with 6S AT, Sport Package and cloth interior
  • maltbmaltb Member Posts: 3,572
    I tried that. My tech told me that he wouldn't replace the CD player as Mazda doesn't reccomend playing CD-Rs. Yeah, it's a load of ship, but not much I can do about that.
  • m6owneronedaym6owneroneday Member Posts: 23
    I don't doubt the M6 has great stability and grip but DSC would be nice to have. I was driving my father's '97 BMW 528. Very stable and has lots of grip but one day gave it too much power in a turn and lost the rear end. DSC saved me from sliding into a pole. Since then I believe in DSC systems.

    maltb: Sorry to hear that the dealer tech is not willing to replace the unit. Kinda surprised since most manufacturers would replace it to keep up good customer relations. Tried emailing mazdausa about it? Maybe they might see it differently. If they are trying to get more brand loyalty I would think they would fix something this simple.
  • mazdamarlamazdamarla Member Posts: 350
    What's DSC?
  • fowler3fowler3 Member Posts: 1,919
    I emailed Mazda early on inquiring about HID lights, Mazda replied the 6 can't use them, that was the Xenon bulbs, maybe an after market kit is another story. Any changes to the headlights and electrical system could void your warrenty.

    fowler3
  • fowler3fowler3 Member Posts: 1,919
    Dynamic Stability Control or something like that. It takes over if you mess up in a sharp curve and head for a tree.

    fowler3
  • alcjewalcjew Member Posts: 173
    Thanks fowler3! I'll probably do some more investigation on the HID aftermarkets on several websites that I have inquired on or stick with the Sylvania Silverstars for low beam & fog lights.
  • mpiatekmpiatek Member Posts: 68
    It looks like Mazda is going to change some of the packaging... Just look at the numbers for leather and the moonroof:

    cold/leather 44%
    moonroof 52%

    Right now, you need to get leather in order to get the moonroof...since these numbers say that there are more cars with a moonroof than there are with leather, some of the cars with a moonroof must either come with cloth, or no seats at all. :-)

    Kind of a shame, since I would really like to have a moonroof, but the order's already out.

    Mike
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    But you'll be under control.

    I think it's supposed to help you maintain traction and prevent spinning out of control by selectively tapping the brake on one or more wheels.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    More sophisticated systems also retard engine power as well as ignition spark to reduce power to the wheels affected.
  • alcjewalcjew Member Posts: 173
    I've seen documentaries a few years ago sponsored by Mercedes & BMW on their stability control systems when they were about to add them to their cars, but they were tested on snow and rain slicked road courses. I would assume front wheel drive & 4WD/AWD vehicles will handle these well enough without DSC. I'm not an expert, but IMO I don't think any vehicle with whatever wheel drive and even with DSC can handle a stretch of black ice due to the cars forward momentum sliding them forward with no traction on all 4 wheels. May give a false sense of security and make people drive faster in this dangerous situation.
  • m6owneronedaym6owneroneday Member Posts: 23
    I agree with you alcjew. Even with DSC you will still lose traction and slide on black ice. Although, with wet roads and cloverleaf on ramps I know the DSC will apply brakes and cut engine throttle to realign your car so you don't fish tail out. A friend of mine in a '01 323i also started to fish tail in the rain on a cloverleaf onramp. Her DSC kicked in. Scaried her like hell till she realized what could have happened. DSC is a personal preference, one that some ppl might want.

    fowler3: HID are offered on some euro versions of the M6. Strange mazdausa would tell you, that it can't be used. Probably, the currently electrical setup is incompatible but they do have them in Euro and Japan I think.
  • m6owneronedaym6owneroneday Member Posts: 23
    Over in mazda6club forum, apparently sylvania has ETA for H1 bulbs for the M6 in May '03. I have silverstars in my '99 Civic and they are much better than stock halogens. IMO 25% Brighter. Guess I would have to go that route if HIDs aren't offered for '04. I know there are aftermarket HID for M6 but don't feel like voiding my warranty. Electrical probs would be expensive to repair. Especially for a recent college grad saving up for my new M6. :-)
  • duskduskduskdusk Member Posts: 10
    My Dad and I went car browsing around the local lots. The first Mazda Dealership we went to had a decked out 4Cyl automatic in the showroom. Why you would do that to a 4cyl. auto I don't know but they had it anyway. They also had a fairly blank Redfire 6S 5spd out in the lot which we could test drive to get a feel for the manual with power. Granted I already tested a 6S 5Spd the day the 6 came onto the local lots. I drove this time my Dad in the passenger seat and the sales bum in the back. When I test drive a car I am like an old grandma. I drove on Rockville Pike 355 here in Maryland and hopped on 270 for a little run and then back to the dealership. I never really pushed the car at all because I am a wimp. I told the sales guy where he could get a 6S from another dealer which surprised him and he asked me to come back over the weekend. Blah. He was nice but I knew way more than him.

    We went to the next dealer at our "friends" fitzmall.com. The sales guy this time said there was no way to get a 6S 5spd without ordering. I refuse to pay extra for a car, just because of limited availability. Save thousands by waiting. Anyway this time I wanted my Dad to get behind the wheel. He's a no holds barred kind of guy that makes plenty of money and can afford to do dumba$$ things like what about to recount.
    We get into this blehck! white stripped 6S 5Spd, nothing in it. Including no gas so we have to run to the gas station where my Dad promptly jumps out and starts washing all the windows. I knew this was a bad thing. He liked the car, it rides like a dream and is very very quiet as you all know. He washed all the windows and hopped back in. The sales guy, his 4th day on the job, gets back in from the pump and asks so where do you want to go. My Dad says, highway. So we hop in and head to 270. It's at about 6:30 or so and there's plenty of traffic even going south towards DC. He does a little maneuvering and asks, shall we see what this baby can do? Guns the hell out of it to 100mph in 4th but once he pops it into 5th our power goes to nothing. We were going up hill a bit so no big surprise. But on our rear is a new V8 mustang. We move over as he blasts past us. We get off turn around and head back north, my Dad with a little grin on his face though wishing for more horses. On our way back we see two cops parked on the opposite side of the highway. That was a bit close. Sales guy didn't know what to say about anything. Tried to get us to order one but not a chance. My Dad is getting his Volvo S60R with 300 horses.

    So we move down the block to the Subaru dealership. I wanted him to try out a WRX. old Sales fogey was decent. The car will sell itself. Here are the keys. Try to keep the added mileage under 25 miles. It had 17 on it as it is. No warning about 4K RPM and break-in. Sales guy calls it the rocket car, old fogey. I warned my Dad that it'll jump if you get RPM's up. Pulls to the exit from the lot. Guns it, tires screaching but the turbo barely kicked in. Dad says not much acceleration down low. 2L engine I say. We get through a stoplight and he floors it. Turbo kicks in and whips us back in the seats. I had a huge grin on my face from that. He was speechless. Definitely not buying that one after his test drive. Though At 1250 below invoice, available everywhere. Definitely not the same league as the 6 in refinement but fun as hell. Still deciding.
  • accord7accord7 Member Posts: 96
    I read this board often, looking for posts from new Mazda6 owners. I keep thinking I'll be hearing about the problems inherent in a new car design, like squeaks and rattles. So far, I've only heard about a single rattle from the sunglass holder. Come on, there has to be more than that. For all of you who own a new 6, (even though you're totally passionate about your car), please inform us of the 6 problems. If there aren't any problems to report, then I'm really going to have to consider buying one this fall. It's hard to turn my back on Honda, but if the M6 is really that good, I'll do it.
  • maui2k3maui2k3 Member Posts: 13
    Does the Mazda 6 S have rear seat head rests that are adjustable or are the fixed? I have a 1999 Mercury Cougar and am thinking of about buying the Mazda 6. I do also like the RX-8, but the gas mileage I have read about it not very good. What about the Hatchback Mazda 6 coming out? Worth the wait??? I am used to coupes also and am a little hesitant about a sedan, but the extra space compared to a coupe would be nice.

    Thanks.
  • duskduskduskdusk Member Posts: 10
    Yes it is not a great car on gas BUT it only uses regular gas. Around here compared to premium that's a 20 cents per gallon difference more(war) or less(no war). Many other cars in the 6's class require premium gas but only get slightly better gas mileage. Gas mileage is NOT something to worry about. If you are that worried then buy a Civic Hybrid or Prius.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    No rear headrests, that's another complaint some people have.
  • silvercrownsilvercrown Member Posts: 237
    I know this has been done to death, but I can't recall the latest info on the ability to add this option to the 6. I was under the impression that Mazda had made it a stand alone option that could be added without having to select another package.

    However, when I tried to build a 6s, with Leather, Comfort pkg and a few other goodies, on the website, it would not allow me to choose that option at all. I also couldn't select the Bose option without also choosing a moonroof. That's not a big deal, because I could live without both of those, but I really want the SAB/SAC option. So what is the deal with this? Is there a plan to offer the SAB/SAC as an individual option in the future? Or will it remain another screwy option arrangment for the Mazda 6? I hope not, because that would be a shame.

    Edit: On a whim, I tried to build my 6s again, but without the Leather option this time. I was allowed to add the SAB/SAC option, but not if I wanted the Bose package. I also noticed that the Sport Package option, which was not available with my first configuration with the Leather and Comfort packages, was now available with the cloth. Maybe because I had selected the Gray leather and the Sport package includes only black upholstery. But my second try included Gray cloth so now I'm just confused. I understand now what everyone was complaining about. Right now, it looks like the only way I can get the SAB/SAC safety features with the 6s is if I give up the Leather and Comfort packages. I can do that because I'd rather have the safety items more than the luxury features, but I'd really like to have both if I can. I thought Toyota had some strange combinations, but this is much worse. I guess I'll have to wait and see. It's a good thing that I'm not planning to buy right now. Any thoughts?
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Member Posts: 1,583
    your expectation on a brand new car is too low. This car will make or break Mazda as a company, of course they will try their darndest to make sure the rollout is as smooth and rattle-free as possible.

    and yes, only 1 sunglass holder 'rattle' sounds like very good quality control on Mazda's part for a 1st-year car...
  • silvercrownsilvercrown Member Posts: 237
    I'm not trying to open up a can of worms here (no flamethrowers please), but I am genuinely curious about Mazda resale value. Out of curiosity, I asked for residual values for the 6 on the lease info board and I got numbers in the 40s for 39 months.

    I was surprised because I had thought/hoped that the residuals for the 6 would be a bit higher, as it's a new model which has been highly acclaimed and praised by the automotive press, as well as many consumers. Since it really is a different car from the 626 and the Millenia that it replaces, its value should not be based solely on their past values IMHO.

    Or maybe, because the 6 is brand new, there's nothing else to base it on, so it's value is lowered based on the history of its predecessors. Perhaps that may change as it establishes itself in the marketplace and creates its own track record.

    I have read that Mazdas have traditionally had much lower resale value than Toyota or Honda. I wonder why is that? When did that trend start? Did it start once they became affiliated with Ford? Or even before that? Since Mazdas have also been reliable cars for the most part, it doesn't make sense that their value would decrease so much more rapidly. For example, I believe that VWs have less reliability overall, compared to most Mazda products, yet they seem to have greater resale value. Is it just image? What gives?

    How do they establish a car's resale value anyway? It seems like reliability and durability should be part of the equation. That would be the most important piece that makes an older car more valuable to me. But that's just my priorities.

    Resale value is important to me, but not crucial. If I decide to buy a 6, I plan to keep it for a long time and the resale value issue won't be as big of an issue to me. But I just wonder why this is so? I knew that this would be a good place to get some theories on the subject.
  • toolman02toolman02 Member Posts: 59
    I think the reason people complain so much about the options is because Mazda gives the appearance of individual options by not lumping them together. If a consumer sees a Moonroof option, the natural tendancy is to assume it is separate. They should have grouped them like this:

    1) Premium Package (Alarm, Power Seat, etc.)
    2) Premium Sport Package (Premium + Sport)
    3) Sound Package (Bose)
    4) Luxury Package (Comfort/Leather/Moonroof)
    5) Safety Package (SAB/SAC/TCS/ABS)

    or something along those lines, since I think this is close to how they actually build them. Why show the user an individual moonroof option if they aren't available?

    (p.s. i'm not sure if what i dubbed the safety package is actually seperate from the rest.)
  • aromasaromas Member Posts: 314
    Accord7: check out www.mazdaatenza.com. There are more europeons posting there who have had the car longer. The only things I've seen there are the same problems here:sunglass holder rattles and the handles over the inside windows breaking off with alot of pressure(apparently easy to fix as well). I still can't believe how very few minor and no major problems have cropped up especially considering the new Accord has got it's fair share. I guess the Mazda 6 may soon inherit the mantle of "God's gift to cars" from the Accord.

    Anybody know what type of window cleaner is safe to use on the inside rear window so as to not damage the defogger or radio antenna. I don't wanna hurt my baby in any way. Is Windex okay? and yes I am Greek BTW.
  • mazdamarlamazdamarla Member Posts: 350
    According to an email I received back from Mazda, the Side Airbags should become a 100% stand-alone option beginning in April. You can bet I'll be checking their website come April 1 to see if this is true.

    I think the only way you can currently get the ABS/SCA option is if you have the Sport Package selected. I've tried to build with Beige Leather or Cloth (with Redfire color), and they are completely grayed out and unavailable. But if I switched my interior to Black for the Sport package, then I could get the safety features.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again....Safety features should be either standard on the car, or available not matter WHAT you want - a plain-jane base model or one decked out with all the bells & whistles. Appearance options are one thing, but safety is another.

    I hope Mazda was truthful with me...we'll see come April.
  • toolman02toolman02 Member Posts: 59
    Try explaining this. Building a Redfire 6i:

    With Beige Cloth:
    Can get ABS/TCS standalone, or ABS/TCS/SAB/SAC.

    With Black Cloth or Black Leather:
    Can get ABS/TCS/SAB/SAC.

    With Beige Leather:
    Neither ABS/TCS or SAB/SAC are valid choices!

    What's going on? People with beige leather can't have the safety stuff? And why can the base model get ABS/TCS by itself?
  • barrysobarryso Member Posts: 66
    "Or maybe, because the 6 is brand new, there's nothing else to base it on, so it's value is lowered based on the history of its predecessors. Perhaps that may change as it establishes itself in the marketplace and creates its own track record."

    I'm not sure the quality of the car has much to do with resale. Mazda's have traditionally been pretty well put together yet they have also had pretty ordinary resale value. While it would be nice to believe the Mazda6 resale value will hold up better than Mazda's of the past, it would be foolish to count on it. The market can be pretty fickle.

    I've played with the depreciation numbers for a while and figure the Mazda will probably cost me between $300 to $700 more than an Accord per year in depreciation. That isn't enough to prevent me from buying the Mazda6 because I really like driving it.

    If money was really tight or I was planning on changing cars often it would be a different story.

    If the Mazda6 doesn't depreciate like Mazda's of the past it'll be great, but it isn't something that we can count on.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    It's gonna be real hard on the early non s-plan purchasers who had to pay MSRP. Luckily there weren't many of them.
  • barrysobarryso Member Posts: 66
    "It's gonna be real hard on the early non s-plan purchasers who had to pay MSRP. Luckily there weren't many of them."

    It isn't just the folks that bought Mazda6's early. Every new model that come out will be at MSRP at first. It is the price you pay for having a new model and being "first on the block".

    To their credit, my Honda dealer was the only one in the area who didn't want over MSRP when the new Accord hit the lot last fall. However, they did get full MSRP. Two months later you could get one well below list.

    It is really expensive when you get to the high-demand/low-volume new cars. The "first on the block" folks who bought PT Cruisers payed a pretty high price for the few months of exclusivity. Same as the folks who had to be first to have the new Thunderbird or the new Beatle.

    I call it "the stupid tax".
  • chikoochikoo Member Posts: 3,008
    resale values and Stock prices are figments of the human brain....there is no logic behind them.

    Like u rightly pointed out VW has poor reliability record than the illfamed Mazda 626, yet????
  • chikoochikoo Member Posts: 3,008
    primarily "decided" by road side mechanics who if they feel is easy to fix a car, the resale value is higher and vice versa.

    This may no longer be the case, but then read my earlier post again :)
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Member Posts: 1,583
    is determined by how much buyers are willing to pay for a certain model used car over a long time period.

    and how do the buyers determine how much a car is worth to them? god knows, too many 'intangible' factors IN ADDITION to reliability records are involved *shrug*
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    Don't forget that the vehicles with the poorest resale values are the ones that sell at a discount and have big rebates...

    So its a double edged sword...nobody wants to pay MSRP but the more people who do and the less rebates there are the higher the resale values go....The honda Oddy minivan is a classic example of this.

    So anyone on here asking for a rebate or low interest rates is only hurting the the resale value of the car.
  • skyrayskyray Member Posts: 156
    Resale value: Any guessed on resale value right now might as well be based on astrology. You can't make an accurate prediction at this early date what ANY car will be worth 4 or 5 years down the road.

    If it turns out this new-generation Accord has a lot of teething problems, its actual resale value for the 2003 year may be much lower than is currently listed.

    If the 6 takes off as a very popular car, and remains reliable, its resale value may end much higher than the current resale, which is based off the unexciting and problematic Mazda 626.

    Not to mention that resale values are only guidelines anyway. In the end, what you get from a car depends very much on who's looking to buy when you decide to sell. (If you're doing a private sale. If you're trading, you're going to get less than you could no matter what you do.)

    And "Mazda" doesn't have low resale values, just specific models. Check the prices people get for Miatas sometime. A 2000 Mazda 626 may only be worth $10 grand, but a 2000 Miata that cost the same as that 626 leaving the dealer can garner $14 grand or more.

    Buy the car you want. Why get something you're not crazy about on the *possibility* of making an extra $1,000 or $2,000 5 years from now? Is it really worth $200 a year to drive around in a car you're less than excited about, considering the hundreds of hours you'll likely spend in your car over the course of a year?

    In fact, if you're that money conscious, you shouldn't even be buying a new car. You should be getting a late-model used car that's still covered by factory warranty.

    Me, I'll take my 6s. And I'll deal with what it's worth when I try to sell it when 2013 rolls around. :-)
  • skyrayskyray Member Posts: 156
    There's a topic here about Mazda 6 reliability. Between that and the discussions over on Mazda6club.com, it looks like the only thing worse than a sunglass holder rattle (which my car doesn't have) are a couple of check engine light problems. The one on the 6s has already been addressed with a new hose design that's fitted on new cars and that Mazda will overnight to your dealer's service dept. if you have the problem on a car manufactured earlier. And the one on the 6i is apparently a software problem being fixed with a firmware upgrade. Neither one affects the running of the car.

    And in Europe, where the cars have been out much longer, the reports are also very good.

    Looks like they put in some Miata reliability along with the Zoom-Zoom. :-)

    I did have the Check Engine on my 6s -- dealer fixed it in 20 minutes. Otherwise, absolutely zero complaints. A tight, fun car.
  • alcjewalcjew Member Posts: 173
    www.mazda-auto-parts.com/Mazda6/Mazda6, I don't know if these websites have been mentioned before, or if anyone has checked them out before, but check them out if you haven't. BOOKMARK THEM!

    To any Accord owners or soon to be, no problems with my 6 and I'm extremely happy with it!
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