Mazda6 Sedan

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  • panamaltd2panamaltd2 Member Posts: 162
    What have you heard of the next Protege (Mazda3)? I am dieing to find some information on this car.
  • vwmonsoonvwmonsoon Member Posts: 16
    The Mazda6 GS is priced at $24,295 and GT is priced at $28,195. Both are equipped with the 2.3 4 cylinder engine.


    The GS V6 is priced at $27,995 and the GT V6 is priced at $31,995.


    Info and photos here: http://www.canadianautoreview.com/news.htm#mazda6

  • yugoboyyugoboy Member Posts: 161
    Thank goodness, from what i can tell from the picture's no BOY RACER clear lenses!!!! But i have a horrible feeling that us canadian's are going to have a horrible option package selection!!! I dont like this gs or gt crap, just stick with what you are already offering in the states i and s. And is there any chance that production might still take place in japan(atleast for the hatch and wagon variations).
  • srosssross Member Posts: 33
    I know US pricing won't be identical to Canadian pricing, but it looks like the equivalent in US dollars is:

    GS $15,240
    GT $17,687
    V6 GS $17,561
    V6 GT $20,070

    Sounds pretty reasonable to me! Thanks for the ordering information, audia8q! I'm glad you didn't run when the whining started. Which doesn't mean I don't understand it--the advance notice on this car has been very long, and we've built up a lot of pre-production pondering pressure. I have my own dream 6 in mind, and couldn't help but be a little disappointed that things weren't bundled as I would have liked. I'm just rationalizing that by the time the hatch comes out it will have all the features I want in an easy-to-order package. Can't wait to finally sit in one after seeing it from the outside at the auto show.
  • vcjumpervcjumper Member Posts: 1,110
    Really spoils it for me and I fear the sport will not be available without it. Could it be any higher?! I'm not 20 years old looking to put neon under the car and blue bulb driving lights on.

    Looks like the side marker lights are not on the canadian auto review pics either.
  • yugoboyyugoboy Member Posts: 161
    I couldn't agree with you more, a spoiler ruin's any car, it's too distracting to the eye and take's away the lines from a car. They should be banned, i personally cant wait to take mine off, it came with my g20 but i hate it!!!
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    mazda package prices....

    Got some tentative prices on the option packages...(subject to change)

    Premium pkg......900
    comfort pkg......200
    audio pkg........635
    sport pkg........860
    side srs/curtains 450
    abs/traction.....650
    moonroof.........700
    leather..........860 (comfort pkg required)
  • mazda6smazda6s Member Posts: 1,901
    You are a champ! Now all we need is the base prices (hint).
    On the ordering configs you gave us earlier, how was this info presented to you? Was it "for the first dealer orders", "for all dealer orders", "for all orders", or "for all orders forever"? As you can tell, I'm hoping it will change. :)
  • panamaltd2panamaltd2 Member Posts: 162
    I am sure if VW came up with the term "opti-space" you would think it was the most wonderful thing since sliced bread and you would make sure we all knew it. Also the 6 is very uniquely Mazda and Ford had very little to do with the development of the car other then supply Mazda with the money to make it truly great.
  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
    along with standard rear mudguards and rear lights DRLs should be mandatory on all vehicles. And no tires less than 15"!

    But I'm 22 and while I HATE supped-up Civics, I like nice, clean spoilers...

    Dinu
  • beachnutbeachnut Member Posts: 291
    ... and I'll be 40 in a few months :) I went out of my way to DIY the oem spoiler on my MPV! The spoiler in that pic does look a tad high tho; something lower might be better, but it looks fine and maybe when seen in person, it'll be just right. I'm also happy to see the clear tailights go away - imho, it's a fad that I think cheapens the look, but alas, looks are sooooo subjective, eh?
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    This is the order specs for everyone, at this time....it's not uncommon for Mazda to make some slight changes during the model year but I don't expect many changes.

    I think there is too many choices actually. The more choices the less chances somebody will stock the car "you want". Example, I would never stock an ABS no moonroof car...simply because it would never sell here at my store.
  • rotulerotule Member Posts: 12
    Talking about spoilers, do any of you guys know whether they have any influence on the road-handling of the vehicle?

    And what about those front air dam, side sills and rear skirt. Do they add to the car's aerodynamics performace or are they simply for looks.
  • mazda6smazda6s Member Posts: 1,901
    OK, thanks. Actually I wasn't expecting to find what I want in stock anywhere and I don't mind waiting for an order. Are dealers even going to be able to place orders for the 6 for customers, or do we just have to find it in stock? Maybe I'll just try to order what I want and see what happens!
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    yes, we can order cars for customers.
    I ordered a few out of my initial orders for customers.
    you want one?? haha

    Rich
  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
    no functionality, unless we're talking F1, CART, etc

    Dinu
  • vcjumpervcjumper Member Posts: 1,110
    Depends on the design. Audi had to put a spoiler on their TT to add downforce when a few deaths happened at autobahn speeds attributable to poor high speed control.

    Mass market cars at < 100mph (and most at speeds higher than that), I doubt they do anything but act as a shopping cart handle.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Member Posts: 2,287
    Well, they DO do one thing besides act as a shopping handle! They increase dealer and manufacturer profits! And they look purty. Sometimes.
  • yugoboyyugoboy Member Posts: 161
    Does anyone know if these will be the 17 inch wheel's offered, these rim's look alot more appealing than the stock 16's on the 6!!!!


    http://www.edmunds.com/future/2003/mazda/6/4drstationwagon/photo_4.html

  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
    on the GT model of the 6. Saw something in today's Star (Toronto) about the 6. They had a nice article.

    Are you in T-Dot yugoboy?

    Dinu
  • mazda6smazda6s Member Posts: 1,901
    I'm just curious - did you order any 6s 5-speed with just the Sport package and Bose package? Looks like I can't get the Airbag package unless I go with the auto, so maybe I'll compromise on that one.

    Oh, and how far is the drive from NM to CT? haha
  • jtkz13jtkz13 Member Posts: 51
    I have a 2000 taurus with the 200hp duratec and have found it to be a very capable engine. It likes rpms, which is even better with the 6 because of a higher redline and mazda-tuned intake system. You have to remember that all duratec's in taurus/sable's are mated to the pile of crap AX4N or AX4S Ford transmission. This tranny is known to be very power-sapping and unreliable. I'm considering the V6 GT fully loaded to the gills, with the 5 speed. I like the hatch and sedan the best, but will have to see them in person to make a solid decision on which I like better. I think the 6 is a damn nice car, and will surprise a lot of people with how well it sells.
  • vcjumpervcjumper Member Posts: 1,110
    I don't get that article, what is with the GS and GT?? I thought there was only the 6i and 6s?
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Member Posts: 2,287
    Maybe the trim levels are different for Canada?
  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
    Did you read it?

    We have different models than in the US. For example the Protege base trim is DX in the US and SE here. The equipement varies too on the LX and ES.

    But the GS 4cyl 5spd starts at $24.000 (Accord territory) and GS V6 is $28.000 same as the V6 Accord. Mazda said its competitors are the Acoord and Altima. No mention of the Camry and that's what I like to see. Ignore Toyota until they start making some decent cars.

    Dinu
  • civicwcivicw Member Posts: 135
    Retire the Product Planning or Marketing dorks who decided to launch the sedan way before the sedan-look hatchback.

    This is a no-brainer. The sedan-look hatchback will be unique in a market filled with boring Camcord sedans, and is the best of both worlds: sedan look with more utility.

    When the hatchback is launched, resist the temptation to pack them with loads of "options", Toyota style. Instead, sell them like Honda, fully equipped at a reasonable price, in no more than 2 trim levels. Make it easier for the customer to buy. Then watch those sales REALLY take off.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Member Posts: 2,287
    AMEN!

    Carmakers have avoided hatches and wagons like the plague for the last decade or so in the US. In my youth (I am 46), I owned two hatches, and adored them both for their utility, even if they WERE an AMC Gremlin and a Pontiac T-1000 (Chevette clone). My parents owned a wagon, and we loved it. To some extent, this manufacturer aversion may have been in response to boomers resenting the wagons their parents had (the mini-van of that day) and the CHEAP econohatches we boomers had as kids.

    Note that Mazda has tried to make the hatch look exactly like the sedan. I want a hatch, and I wish I didn't have to wait a year to get it.

    Then again, except for a Ford Focus or VW Golf, what other hatch is still out there? And I need more than a subcompact.

    Virtually everybody that makes cars offers a sedan. Hatches and wagons are few and far between. For about the past 20 years, the largest US made wagaon has been the Taurus/Sable! And hatches nearly completely disappeared.

    That's the reason why so many of us are so excited to see Mazda doing good stuff, like the Protege5 and the Mazda6 wagons and hatches.

    Bring 'em on! Best of all, bring us CHOICES!
  • yugoboyyugoboy Member Posts: 161
    Actually i am in the C-dot. Calgary of course!!!
  • groovypippingroovypippin Member Posts: 264
    Hi folks:

    Still trying to follow all of these model designations in various places, but clearly there is going to be a significant difference between the Mazda 6 in Canada and in the US.

    My father is a dealer principle and I was going over the model designations and proces with him yesterday. I'll tell you what I remember now and try and get a complete copy for posting over the next couple of days.

    There are two model designations in Canada - the GS and GT. Both the 4 cylinder and the V6 come in this model designation.

    All models (including 4 cylinder) come standard with:

    ABS
    Traction Control
    Air conditioning
    Power heated mirrors, windows and locks
    Tilting and telescoping sterring wheel.

    Prices fora 4 cylinder 5-speed start at about $24,295 (excluding freight and dealer prep - probably about $800)

    A 4 cylinder GT will run about $28,000.

    A fully loaded V6 GT 5 Speed with every option will list for $31,995.

    Sorry for the incomplete info. I will have more later.
  • jtkz13jtkz13 Member Posts: 51
    I've yet to hear any criticism of anything really on the mazda 6. Hopefully the reliabilty matches the looks.
  • maltbmaltb Member Posts: 3,572
    An easy way to get an early retirement from product planning is to bring in a hatch before a sedan. Americans don't go for hatches in mass. Being that this is Mazda's last chance to get it right, they aren't going to risk betting on a hatch. If you have a few hundred million to lose, maybe you should start your own car company and try it out.

    I for one find the hatch even better looking than the sedan and more practical, but I'm realistic too.
  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
    The Protege is the #1 car sold in Quebec and the #3 car sold in Canada overall (after the Civic #1 and Corolla #2).

    More people have grown close to Mazda since the 3rd gen PRO (myself included).

    Dinu
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  • groovypippingroovypippin Member Posts: 264
    I tried to post a link, but it had too many characters to allow in this forum. That's why I resorted to cut and paste.

    I'll be more careful in the future.
  • civicwcivicw Member Posts: 135
    My point was that the hatch should have been launched along with the sedan, rather than 6-7 months down the road. I realize that there could be manufacturing issues etc at the plant in Michigan, but Mazda could have imported the hatch initially from Japan.

    To compete effectively with Accord/Camry/Altima, Mazda needs something other than zoom-zoom to get consumer attention. I would have promoted the hatch as a unique sedan-utility vehicle, while selling the sedan to people who insist on a trunk.

    The downside is minimal, the upside huge in launching the hatch along with the sedan, IMHO.
  • yugoboyyugoboy Member Posts: 161
    I love the hatch but forget it, if you want to talk about being unique launch the sport wagon!!! Refresh my memory but i dont remember honda, toyota, or even nissan offering a FULL SIZE sporty wagon!!!! But dont get me wrong, i think the hatchback would of been a great addition at launch!!!!! Time will tell, i just wish we could get all three variations of the 6 right of the bat!!!
  • regfootballregfootball Member Posts: 2,166
    yes, agreed.

    I would love the 6 hatch or wagon fully loaded with the manual tranny. What a fun car that would be quite utilitarian.
  • jeffrey15jeffrey15 Member Posts: 61
    next time try


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    Jeff

  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    I finally looked a little closer at the option setups for the four basic car configuration (engine/transmission). Looks kind of like a Honda or Nissan setup. The disappointing thing is the info on the website is misleading, suggesting you can mix-and-match as if you're ordering a Taurus or some GM product.
  • chikoochikoo Member Posts: 3,008
    since MAzda is betting its future on the 6, it might well as become bold rather than be conservative.

    It should bring the Hatch from Japan / europe and sell it alongwith the sedan in USA.
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    ok...I got some tentative prices. These are very much subject to change but it gives everyone something to discuss.

    maz6i....5 speed w/destination $19050
    maz6s....5-speed w/destination $21620

    fully loaded S-auto with every package $26,245
  • civicwcivicw Member Posts: 135
    While the wagon would be nice to have at launch, it will probably be a low volume vehicle, no more than 15% of total 6 sales. The hatch because it looks like a sedan and offers more utility could easily account for 35-40% of total 6 sales.

    I see the 6 sedan as another 'me-too' vehicle with whatever spin Mazda wants to sell it with, just like Honda describes their Accord as European/w passion, Altima is supposed to be the cure for the common car etc etc.

    The hatch on the other hand is not a 'me-too' vehicle but offers unique functionality (at least in the U.S.) in a vehicle that looks like a sedan. Offering the sedan-look hatch along with the sedan could be a strong 1-2 punch for Mazda to get back in the mid-size sedan market. That's why waiting for 6-7 months to launch the hatch doesn't make any sense to me.
  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    Based on the pricing audiq8 has put up, the Mazda6 is competitive, but not a bargin:

    Mazda6i-5spd Premium/Comfort/Sport/Moonroof/Leather = $22,570

    Accord EXw/leather 5spd. = $22,900

    Equipment is similar except that Accord has ABS. Its interesting that a full-on "s" manual is only $1015 more than a full-on "i" manual, and pretty reasonable at $25,325. An Accord EX-V6 is $25,800 with automatic ONLY :-(
  • tomcat630tomcat630 Member Posts: 854
    "Here Mazda goes again, making the consumer buy stuff to get something they want."
    Other import brands do the same thing. Try getting a 5 speed V6 Accord? Yes, it exists only in Fairy Tales.

    The 6 is not meant to be a "all thigs to all poeple" car like Camrys. Autoweek has a preview of the US spec car and it's fine looking, not messed up like someone said earlier.

    The official intro date is December 1 and dealers have them in ads saying "order yours today". There were whines about it being later than the Accord. What, 3 months? Big deal, if the Accord were later, they'd say "Oh Honda wants to get it right".
  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    I don't have an issue with the packages - although I wish for a moonroof with ABS+TCS and without leather. Its much more effcient for the automaker than the GM/Ford build a unique one for anyone...
  • magnetophonemagnetophone Member Posts: 605
    As much as I like 5-door hatchbacks, I don't think that 30-40% of Mazda6's will be hatchbacks. Even the popular Protege5 doesn't sell at a 40% rate. But the Pro5 and the Focus hatchbacks do point to a market that will pay for an upscale car with four doors and a hatch.
  • radocharadocha Member Posts: 26
    I hope I am not the only one that noticed differences in the two pricing schemes listed somwhere above:
    CAN 6GT loaded = 32K+1K dest+1K auto = 34K*.63= US $21420 for a fully loaded (groovypippin)
    vs
    US 6s loaded $26245 (audia8q)
    almost 5K difference? there is no way, even with some differences between the two, for a car in this class. The first maybe feels right for an invoice value, the second seems closer to European MSRP...my quess, it is somewhere in between, but I would be inclined to go with the latter. We will know the pricing soon enough anyway
  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
    Cars are ALWAYS cheaper here. But we pay 15% tax on them and usually higher interest too.

    Dinu
  • civicwcivicw Member Posts: 135
    I see 2 reasons why the Protege5 is not 30-40% of total Protege sales. First it doesn't look like a SEDAN, secondly it's not in the same price range as a Protege LX auto sedan. I see the Protege LX auto sedan routinely advertised by dealers for about $14K in Calif, and the Protege5 about $3K more(if you can find one without added "options").

    If Mazda sells the 6 hatch in the same price range as the 6 sedan, I'm convinced the hatch will account for 35-40% of total 6 sales.
  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    Note that the Accord EX-I4 w/ leather and a 5spd. manual is $23,360 when destination is included. That makes are reasonably comparible Mazda6 $790 cheaper.

    Or, a Mazda6s with comfort, moonroof, and leather and a 5spd. manual is only $20 more. Now that's a bargin!
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