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The Volvo and Saab beating the Audi is a bit of a surprise. The Jag in last place has got to be a kick in the pants for Ford, though.
And when they start taking interior refinement into account, the Mazda 6 can't really match up on that playing field with the others - its a class down (and a whole lot cheaper!)
They pretty much admitted that the Mazda6 was out of place with this group and belonged with the Mondeo and Passats of the world. But, that didn't stop them from bashing it either. They particuarlly didn't like that center console and the plastainium finish.
They have 3 6s models on display, all medium grey with moonroofs (and one with Sport package, I think).
I just sat in them. Power options were not enabled (no adapter hooked up). I noticed there wasn't distortion through the windshield like I saw with the 6i I test-drove a while back (fun despite that), but I don't like the blue tinting at top. I have to look through that (long torso).
I have to admit, the Saab 9-3 is nicely put-together inside. Interior materials are better than those in the 6. Very comfy seats too (but not more than those in the 6). Still, I'm not much into leather or wood (or fake wood), so the 9-3 isn't for me. No idea of how it drives.
Take your camera. Those 6 models are nice. And they have a spice-orange MS Pro, as well as the other models (including a yummy bright yellow P5). And the car in the new Bond movie (Maserati?...I can't remember) is right at the entrance to the show floor. Looks OK. BIG wheels.
I also checked out the Altima. Yeah, some trim pieces feel cheap (tinny) for a car of this price range, but they're acceptable to me. It is very roomy inside.
Actually, most car buyers can get along fine without many of the extras they "have to have". They quibble about the costs and 0% interest, but won't budge an inch on options. If it came down to it, wouldn't you buy what is on the lot if you really want a 6? Haven't we always done that with "imported" cars?
The performace package doesn't do a thing, it's for looks, and subjective at that. The suspension is the same and isn't that what really counts? It doesn't cost extra! And that's the main difference between the 6 and its competitors -- plus superior styling.
As for the styling compared to Accord and Camry, to me, it looks very up-market, similar to Audi and MB in the C-pillar area, especially in Silver. Some buyers want that, others see its sports sedan nature and want to build on it. That's why they make corn flakes and wheaties -- choice! We are talking 4-door sedans here, not coupes.
When I did a "build to order" on MazdaUSA.com a pop-up said the stand-alone ABS/Traction Control option would not be avialable until February. Seems to me Mazda's suppliers are having problems ramping up and that is causing build and special order problems.
Also keep in mind that many of Mazda's traditional buyers are among the unemployed, it's Christmas and shopping time, and not car-buying time. Many don't want to go through snow and ice with a new car, spring being better. The first cars off the line usually sit around for a while. The big ad campaine just started with double-page-spreads in major car magazines and on TV. Give it time.
fowler3
My wife just put down a deposit for a P5 (6 was too big for her tastes, especially the turning circle...her parking lot at work is really parsimonious on the spaces and the aisle width between the rows).
PS: the sticker of the 6 at my local dealer still put 36months/50000miles for warranty! I couldn't test drive, they have 6 or 7 M6s there, all in automatic. ;-(
Point of Contact:
Mr. Ainsley Dalrymple Ph# 410-8792069
Heritage Mazda/Kia
710 Belair Road
Bel Air, MD 21014
idea to let mazda know. they do a pretty good job of getting back to you. it may help. you never know. customerAssistance@mazdausa.com
It appears that Mazda took all the good from the Accord, Camery and Passat and built the 6. I own a 2000 Accord, and I saw a lot of similarities and answers to all my little grips.
I'm currently in the market for another car(keeping my accord). I've looked at the following:
2003 Accord
Boy did they make it ugly and you do not even get 4 wheel disk breaks on the base model. The 6 gives this to you.
2003 Camery
Definately not a drivers car, floats around like a boat. You can DRIVE the 6.
2002.5 Passat
Can anyone say Premium Gas. The 6 is happy with 87 octain.
My test drive of the 6i was great, but unfortunately they did not have a 5 speed on the lot. They will be calling me in next week. I just hope they do not bring a Blue 6i 5 Speed with the Premium package, I'm not ready to buy. I do not want a new car to drive in the winter. I also want them to work out the problems on the line on someone else's 6, not mine.
Zoom...Zooom...
Oh well, the wait continues....
The 6 does not have foldaway mirrors which was a disappointment to me. I like most everything else. Every other Mazda sold here has foldaway mirrors.
-Alt
Same with moonroof, you have to buy the Sport Package. I didn't check leather trim but wouldn't be surprised if that, too, is part of the Sport Package.
The problem with ordering the 6s is the included automatic climate system, wondering if that won't cut fuel economy more with the A/C cutting on and off?
Frankly, I'm disappointed in the color selections, looks like Mazda is still too conservative. The Steel Grey needs to be lighter than Black by a wide margin; the only alternative to Silver is the Sepang Green, whatever Sepang is; too many sporty colors; White needs to be more mellow, warmer, not the white used on commercial vans. That Lapis Blue -- ugh! Buy an MP3 if you like that.
Sepang Green may be similar to the silver-green I have seen on some Chrysler 300 models and, the MPV's Sage Green, might look cool. Mazda should have used the Silver from the MPV, it's beautiful, almost platinum high-gloss effect.
fowler3
What dealer did you talk to? I'm in TO also, that's why I'm asking. Did they say late January? That's what Avante/North Toronto told me. Did they get the Mazdaspeed 3 yet?
24.5K is good, same as an Accord 4cyl auto. But unlike it the 6 looks good and performs too!
Dinu
That's about $15806 US at 1.55%. Keep in mind we must add 15% tax on that. Price w/tax incl = $18177 US.
Anyone gonna visit Toronto come January/February when we get them? I'll can rent you a nice furnished, clean room (my room) for a small fee of $2.000 US/week. I heard they go for $21.000 US, so you will save $1.000 right? (18K+2K=$20K US)
Dinu
Yours in affordable accomodations in the Toronto area
I was one of the very few people here that actually liked and still do like the 98-02 Accords very much. I love how they look and especially that 5spd manual tranny!
But the new one is like a hunchback in my eyes.
Dinu
Not me. Like dinu, I thought the previous gen Accord was very nice. People said it was bland, but I liked it alot, better than any car in it's class. I've owned two Hondas myself, a Prelude and an Integra. Having said that, the new Accord is plain ol' ugly. Everything else about the car is appealing except for the looks. OTOH, the only thing that really bugs me about the Mazda6 is the fake metal trim on the dash. I can live with that. Actually, I do live with that in my Protege. I cannot live with a car that looks like the 2003 Accord. I'm sure there are many people who will though, but that doesn't concern ME. IMO, the Accord's fatal flaw is it's styling. It has to be the worst design Honda has EVER put out. The old Civic 4X4 wagons looked better. Usually, Honda styling doesn't generate such strong feelings.
1. Mazda6 AWD
Sporty, elegant og trygg. Med 162 hk og elektronisk 4WD
- Sporty, elegant, 162HP 2.3L AWD
Konseptmodell: Mazda6 MPS
Kjøremaskin i særklasse med 250 hk. og elektronisk 4WD!
- Concept vehicle, 250HP, AWD
I think that's what it says...
Click on the pics to see some info and more pics.
Dinu
Dinu
The only problem is that you can't get a 6i with just the Sport Package. Duh!
OK, in February you can get a 6i with Premium and Sport Packages, but that is $20710, not $19910.
2. The Mazda 6 will have sales problems if they do not get their options combinations straight. Having to get Bose stereos and sunroofs to get side airbags won't sit well with consumers shopping on the lower end of the Mazda 6 price range. And having to take a lot of side skirting and "sporty" aero stuff to get 17" wheels will run off a lot of mature buyers.
3. Previous snide comments notwithstanding, if you're President of the United States, have an MBA from an Ivy League school, flew jet fighters(ever see how many dials and switches those old fighters had?), and ran successful businesses, you are not dumb or a "bubba". How many people calling him that even have a bachelor's degree from the local community college? If you equate brain power with how smoothly and slick someone can talk, you should vote for your local car salesman next time.
4. Mazda dropped the ball in a few areas with the 6 that caused me to buy another make. Slightly plasticy looking exterior that is handsome, but just doesn't look upscale, slight HP/torque deficit vs. competion, faddish metallic interior trim, and the fact that this is a great $21,000 car, but optioned up, it got close enough to the near-lux models for me to pick one of them.
Say it ain't so Mazda!!!
There were literally dozens of people looking at them. I am not over estimating either. They had one Black 6s with everything and a 5-speed manual. It had the body aero items, spoiler etc.... They also had two other S' and several i'. None with the aero packedge.
There was a line to drive the black one! I kid you not! It was the sales managers car. This was at 5pm est on a weekday.
I have a good feeling about this!!!!!
Mark.
p.s. brucec35. If you actually look into W's flight record in the ANG you would find that he was rated quite low in his ability. His TT in AC was well below average. Not to argue. Just facts. : )
The 6s, on the other hand, was much more to my liking. The engine was quick, especially above 4000 rpm, and the clutch was slick with a short travel. I'm still divided over the shifter, though. It felt a little ratchety to me, and when in even numbered gears it felt too close to my body. I'm going to head back to the dealer soon and take another one out, to get a better feel for it.
Over all, the Mazda 6 in either configuration is a great buy. I was much more impressed with the leather than with the cloth. I had enough head room with a moonroof (I'm 6'1"). I could manage to sit in the back seat "behind myself", but I don't know if I'd want to do it for a long trip. Still, it's about 3-4" of legroom more than my Audi. Cruising on the highway, both models were actually quieter than my car, even up to 90 mph.
For those who are interested, I found a dealer near where I work that is more than happy to order a car for me at S-Plan pricing. Which means that I can get a loaded 6s for just over $23,000. Now to go back and decide if I want to go with the manual transmission...
We can do without a new car right now, but in a year or so, I'll be ready and Parks might get my business again. The dealers around here have irritated me and turned me off in the past for one reason or the other. Besides if I wait a year or maybe even 2-3 years I could have as much as $2,000 credit to apply from my credit card on the purchase of a new (or used) any model car.