Saab 9-3 Sedan

regfootball

probably a good deal then. I would think at 339 the automatic and 17" wheels would be in there also.

richn2

Has anybody experienced this problem? It seems all of a sudden my car which only has 1600 miles, is making some really strange sounds when you’re driving or applying light braking pressure. . A sound that is very hard to describe. Every so often when I apply light pressure to my brakes it emits a squeaky sound Also when you are driving it sounds like a chirping sounds. Since I am about ready to schedule my 30 day checkup I am trying real hard to figure out how I am going to describe this problem. I had already spoke to the service department regarding the brakes and they mention that they could install softer pad brakes but they would wear out real fast thus costing me the expense of a new brake job.
Any thoughts or comments are always appreciated.

cgianos

Saab is replacing breakpads on earlier build 9-3's the first batch that came out got compalints for too much brake dust, the second batch were too loud. The current batch is supposed to fix both problems. Your dealer should know about them.

guygabriel

I have an appointment to have the pads replaced next week. I happened to mention that my brakes were making a strange sound (low groaning), specifically when I brake as I'm backing up. They told me that my car (purchased 4.28.03) was one of those that should have the pads replaced and made the appointment.

Is anyone having OnStar problems? This also malfunctioned. It was fixed, but my dealer told me it will probably happen again, at which time they will replace the unit. He said that it's happening on all of the earlier units, but Saab has not sent out a letter yet to recall them. So they're just replacing them if they fail more than once.

lcp1

TO guygabriel- your opinions re.leasing:seek out
someone who can give you an informed explanation
of why people lease cars.your opinions as expressed show little if any true understanding
of the benefits of use vs.ownership-and there are many!The avg.income of a Saab driver is close to
$90K.Per/yr.They certainly could afford to purchase the car if they chose to do so.Most
Saab dealers lease as high as 60-80% of their
retail deliveries.

guygabriel

TO: Icp1

I absolutely agree that if you have no plans to keep the car longer than the lease period, then it IS better to lease a car. If you are going to keep it longer, however, it doesn't really make any sense. I tend to keep my cars longer than 3 years. Also, if you have the tendency to do alot of driving, you are going to get hit with alot of mileage fees when you turn the car in at the end of the lease.

The statistic that 60-80% of Saab dealers lease their cars rather than sell them only indicates that we live in a country of consumers who continue to live well beyond their means. I'm sure if you looked at the numbers, you'd find that most higher priced cars (Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, etc.) are leased. It's not a statistic that is specific to Saab cars only. Unfortunately, it's the American way of life.

If you look at post #1923, there is a link to a very nice article on this very website where the downsides (and upsides) to leasing are explained.

ponytrekker

>>I'm sure if you looked at the numbers, you'd find that most higher priced cars (Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, etc.) are leased. It's not a statistic that is specific to Saab cars only.

Or, drivers of such cars were in a position to get a tax write-off. Besides, buying on credit is still "living beyond one's means."

gbriank

is also done because they have a HORRIBLE depreciation factor. Saab has extra hidden incentives to use the PowerBuy option. If you choose to buy after the PowerBuy is over, not only do you benefit from the extra incentive money up front but you can also negotiate at the end of the term and get a few extra thousand taken off as well!

regfootball

"The statistic that 60-80% of Saab dealers lease their cars rather than sell them only indicates that we live in a country of consumers who continue to live well beyond their means"

whatever, dad.

oldsman01

I think 70% or more of most import brand luxury marque sales are leases. Cadillac and Lincoln lease percentages are a bit lower due to their older customers, some of whom come in and pay cash for their cars. While leasing may be considered as "living beyond one's means" what is so wrong with that?? I don't make anywhere near 90K annually, yet with leasing, a car like a 9-3 is within my reach. Now if I drove 20K a year or liked to customize my cars, then I certainly wouldn't do a lease. But I average about 15K annually and typically do not do anything to a car other than drive it and maintain it. And with the big hit one takes on depreciation when they drive a new car off the lot(especially a luxury car) leasing makes sense. Especially if you plan to trade in 3 years or so(which I typically do). Having said that, I've been told by several dealers that right now is not a good time to lease unless your going with a 2004 as residuals on 2003s are low due to the fact that 03s are now really a year old in terms of model year.

sergioa2

Why is it that in European pics the 9-3s have color LCDs on the dash boards and here it seems we can only get the lovely green and black screens? Is this something that Saab will be bringing to the US in 2004?

Also I have heard that the new Saab engines are the same engines used in Monte Carlo's and the such here in the US. In other words we are getting an American engine in a European car. I do not think this is completely true, especially since American engines are quite recognizable by their "silent" operation. However I am curious if anyone has heard any thing of the sort, and what the likelihood of this might be. Thanks for your comments.

logic1

litre ecotec engine used by Saturn, in some Chevrolet models, and in, I think, one Pontiac.

The Saab is the only GM vehicle sold in the US with the 2.0 litre version of the ecotec engine. Some Opels are available with the 2.0 litre in Europe. I belive they are also available in Chevrolet South America models. The turbo technology in the 9-3 is used only by Saab.

There are no Saabs that use the large OHV V6 found in the Monte Carlo or other big US GM vehicles. Whoever told you that is ignorant.

nss167

9-3 (03)...
  So here it is on the right board.

logic1

before I got the joke. Funny.

mumbhai

Hi All,

I took my Arc in to the dealer again because I just couldn't stand the door rattle and this time they fixed it!

The first time I went was in May and they played dumb but this time (2 days ago) they knew exactly what to do and the problem seems to have been solved with some sound dampening material between the door and the panel.

Also my OnStar system malfunctioned and they had to "reset it be removing and replacing a fuse". They told me that if OnStar went down again they would replace the whole system on Saab's instructions. The service guy mentioned that all early 03 93s have OnStar problems.

Any one else having OnStar trouble?

Cheers,

BC

nojalopy

Also, how is everyone handling oil changes? I'm now at 6600 miles and haven't changed oil. The computer tells me 62% oil quality. I'm getting to the point of wanting to change it regardless. If I go to the dealer, will they handle it under free routine maintenance if the computer suggests it's not ready for an oil change?

kretch41

I have the same terrible door rattle. I've never had a chance to bring it back to the dealer. I've heard of one dealer in the Chicago area knows about this so I am thinking of taking the car there.

My Onstar went out within a two weeks of delivery (late April - Vector). I took it to the dealer and it was fixed within minutes but I don't know what they did.

My clutch also has a clicking noise which was mentioned earlier on the boards. Around 4k miles, the clicking changed to a very bad squeak. A click I could see as a quirk but this squeak is very noticable.

koulio

Hi folks,

planning to get a 9-3 within 2 weeks or so. When exactly do the 2004's come out? Does it pay to wait a little on the chance they might iron out all the "quirks" - door rattles, engine stalls, the OnStar crap?

Thanks a bunch.

kyfdx

If you are waiting for Saab to do this, I'd look at another make of car... Saab's are great cars to drive, and I've been tempted.. But, I think these problems are typical for Saabs.

guygabriel

I mentioned I was also having OnStar problems (see posting #1951). I picked my car up ('03 Arc) on April 28th; it malfunctioned on August 25th, and they fixed it two days later.

They told me also that it will most likely fail again at which time they are going to replace the unit. When I asked why they just hadn't replaced it in the first place, they told Saab has not yet issued a Service Bulletin to do so.

I'll keep you all posted.

sloanesq

Well, I made the leap and just bought myself a new 2003 Arc. I know the 2004's are coming out around the end of the month but the combination of incentives, the dealer's willingness to deal and the fact that the 2004's will be more expensive all combined to convince me that now was the time to do it. So, I bought a fully loaded (except for the sport wheel pkg)[who needs a sport package for New York roads, anyhow?] automatic Arc for $29,000. Also, got a good price for my trade-in. Can't wait to pick it up on Monday. I'll let you know if I have any door rattles or OnStar problems.

brucec35

I'm frankly a little annoyed at some pretty blanket statements being made passing as "expert advice" on leasing. There are pros and cons, but in most cases it works out to be more expensive in the long run for a variety of reasons. Doubt it? Go read any consumer advice website or book, not something put out by car salesmen. Or better yet, a book on how to calculate and compare leases. It's just basic math.

"writeoffs". You can write off a lease payment if you use it for business. Not otherwise. But you can also write off interest and depreciation on a purchased car. Also, you can Section 179 depreciate an asset if you have a business. This means if you OWN the vehicle, you can depreciate the full amount, up to the current limits ($25,000?) in the FIRST year you own it, which is usually better than depreciating it over time. You can't take advantage of this if you lease it.

"residuals and depreciation". If you buy a car, use it 2 or 3 years, then TRADE IT IN, then leasing is a decent alternative. But if you buy it, use it for many years, or buy it and SELL IT YOURSELF, you will do better. Leases calcuate residuals based on wholesale value, not retail, which is much higher. (about a $3,000 spread between the two)

Flexibility: God help you if you need to bail out of a lease early. Most leases have pretty horrible penalties for early termination.What if you hate the car? You're stuck with it. What if you lose your job? You're stuck.

Luxury brands have lots of leased vehicles: Of course they do. How else could marginal wannabe's afford payments on $50,000 cars?

"paying cash for a depreciating asset is bad": What does one have to do with the other. Absolute hogwash from someone who apparently doesn't understand the time value of money or concept of opportunity costs. With money market rates at 1%, why would you go borrow at 5% to drive a vehicle if you have cash?

"What's so wrong with living above your means?" : Go visit your nearest large city and sit in on some bankrupcy hearings and ask those folks. Accidents, divorce, job loss, they all can leave a person hurting for money. With a fixed obligation like a lease you can't "cut back" and save till your income is reestablished. Buying is a good way to limit oneself to a vehicle they can really afford. Leasing may make sense for convenience reasons, but if you HAVE to lease to afford the payments, you are flirting with disaster.
But hey, you've always been lucky, so go for it, right?

Early depreciation on a purchased Saab: Very true. But does anyone think people who lease you your saab can magically make that go away? No, it's built into the lease payment of your car. Putting zero down on a purchase is just as dangerous, since you can't sell it without coming up with thousands in cash to get rid of it. But there's no magic way to make the cars resale better down the line.

pat

This is really not the place to get into the advantages and disadvantages of leasing vs. buying. I already gave you a link to our Finance, Warranty & Insurance board and that is where you will find all you could ever want to know about the pros and cons ... and is where this subject should be pursued.

It's time to get back to the subject of our discussion here ...

Thanks to those of you who have made topical posts. Let's move on now.

guygabriel

sloanesq,

Good luck with your new Arc. I've had mine for just a little over 4 months. I absolutely love it. I think that you also did better by getting the '03. There are some things which are optional on the '04 Arc (OnStar), and others that are down right not available (6-speed manual, vented discs all around). Also, as you said, I'm sure the price is going up, and they're really willing to talk deals.

Let me know how you like it.

guygabriel

I must agree with our esteemed host, Pat. Although, in some respects I feel somewhat responsible for this thread on "Leasing vs. Buying", I don't think we are ever going to come to any agreement. To each his own.

I'd really like to hear more about experiences other Saab owners are having with their '03 9-3 Sports Sedans, good and bad.

sloanesq

can we talk about the GM buypower program? Just kidding but it was on my mind since I asked the salesman to give me the comparables on a traditional purchase vs. their BuyPower program. (No leasing in NY on many makes due to our vicarious liability law) Interestingly, Saab is offering a rebate of $4,075 on the Arc AND 3.9% financing for 3 years. However, because you finance the ENTIRE purchase price and then pay a lump sum at the end(about $17,000 on my car) you actually pay about $1,000.00 more than if you put down $10,000 up front and take out a conventional self amortizing loan (although your monthly payments are larger).

Guygabriel,

I didn't know that they're dropping the ventilated discs on the rear wheels for the 2004's. Yet another reason that I'm glad to be purchasing the 2003. I looked at the Carsdirect site and saw that Onstar was now a $600.00 option and that many prices had gone up. I was debating whether to wait, but the extra cost and decontenting of the 2004's helped to make up my mind.

regfootball

is all the father knows best financial preaching over with now? (Don't buy that house until you have 50% saved up!)

Can we please talk about the car? And what have y'all paid.

R/T had a glowing review of the 9-3 Vector in the latest issue.

logic1

I had been thinking about trading the Miata the 9-3 convertible, but now am confused. The Vector is a lot of car for the money.

guygabriel

Sloanesq,

I don't know if you're looking at the manual or sentronic transmission, but as I stated in the previous post, the '04 Arc will no longer come with the 6-speed manual. Only the Aero, the replacement for the Vector, now comes with the 6-speed manual. You should check it out at www.saabusa.com. They just updated their website today, and it shows all of the standard/optional equipment for each of the cars along with the new colors.

Good Luck!

richn2

I had taken my 9-3 ARC in for its 30 day checkup and I had mentioned that the car is making two different types of sounds. When you apply light pressure to the brakes there is a squeaking noise and as you’re driving the car emits a sound that sounds sometimes like a squeal or chirping sound.
 They were able to identify the brake issue by installing harder pad but they told me that they did not hear any sound that was not normal. I had expected that since they only had it on the road for few minutes. I had tried to explain to them that it does take a while before it starts making the sound. When I was trying to explain it to them they very brilliantly asked me if I thought it was a rotational sound. The only possible answer I could give them was that I don't hear it while stopped; I only hear it while driving so I would have to say yes.
 Well the brake noise is gone but not the other noise is still there. So I guess my only option left is to go buy a hand held tape recorder and record the sound. I’m sure even if I do that they will still think I’m nuts.
If anybody has any suggestions please let me know.
Thanks

vector6

I read a ton of these postings while waffling on whether or not to get a new 9-3 - and which model to get. They helped - so thanks. I finally picked up an black with parchment interior 03 Vector, loaded (w/ 6-speed) two weeks ago.

My wife drives a 01 9-5 (automatic) and I had an 94 900SE (5sp), which I loved, but which was also starting to age rapidly - and get very expensive to fix. The 900 bears no resemblance to the new car at all, except perhaps it retains some quirkiness and is not a clone of everything else on the road. Obviously inspired by the 9-5 (but I think a great improvement), the new 9-3 is fantastic, and I don't mind the changes, or feel they have compromised the car. They're just IMPROVED it. I've been a Saab fan for years, but this to me is the best car they have built. While looking for a new car, I test drove everything from Land Rovers to Infinitis to A4's and BMWs (which, having lived in LA, was never really an option. Nice cars, but they carry a lot of baggage in my opinion). I infinitely prefer the 9-3 to everything I drove. It's nimble, has great power whenever needed - even in 5th at highway speeds it'll go when you tap the gas - and has the added benefits of tremendous safety and great MPG.

Best of all, they aren't everywhere.

One caveat - I have already had the door buzzing. Called the dealer, and they have the fix (I guess they've already encountered that a few times!) , so when I go in for my 1k check-up I'll have them get that, too. Other than that, absolutely no complaints. I still like driving my wife's 9-5, but I swear it just lumbers along compared to my car.

rsdr

Hi All,
  Recently bought a Linear 9-3 2003, love the car, have most of the stuff I needed, but missed out on the power seats, would any one know how much it would cost now to install power seats ?

Thanks
RD

sloanesq

And I am happy to say that there is no door buzz or brake noise...at least not yet. I was pleasantly surprised to be informed by the dealer that there is no break-in period. Despite his reassurance, I'm still going to take it easy for a while, e.g. not going over 70 (OK, maybe a little over 70 until I actually look at the speedo)and no hard starts or stops.

There is one thing that bothers me a little and which I didn't notice on the test drive. When I ease up on the throttle I've noticed a tendency for the transmission to downshift a little sooner than I'd like. For better fuel economy, I'd imagine that Saab would want the car to coast along in higher gear for longer than it does. This also happened a few times when I've made some abrupt turns and I wonder if its downshifting or whether the ESP is kicking in.

Has anyone noticed anything similar?

And now, I'll go back to studying the VERRRYYY lengthy manual....

rsdr

Funny you mentioned this, actually i too noticed this downshift and it would be more irritating when stuck in stop and go traffic which generally happen is our beautiful garden state GSP !. And it would jerk as you try to accelerate from a very slow speeds.

sloanesq

Yes, it is definitely more noticeable in lower gears and particularly in stop and go traffic. I noticed it while accelerating as well but it is not so pronounced. It is the abrupt downshift and the resulting engine braking which is really starting to annoy me. Could this be related somehow to the turbo boost? Does this go away after the engine management software "learns" your driving habits? Is there an update for the software that I need?

I haven't had the pleasure of driving much on the GSP (although I do remember one trip about 16 years ago when I had to stop every few miles to throw another quarter into the toll basket), but I'm sure the Belt Parkway during rush hour can't be much better.

Has anyone else experienced this abrupt gearshifting? This is definitely one subject I plan on bringing up at the 30 day inspection unless it goes away.

rsdr

Yupp downshifting is still a problem and david you have correctly explained it, it will help me to explain my dealer. Off course in belt parkway there are added pleasures of potholes, hate those holes when the car is new hated them even with my old car . As of today OnStar is gone, already had a steering wheel bearing replaced and it is only 4700 miles !, do not get me wrong I am not complaining, love the car want to go to office because I can drive and problem is want to get out of the office with equal gusto just to get back in the car.

sloanesq

Let me know what your dealer says. I, too, love the car but I'd like to love it even more!

The Belt Pkwy (actually its now the "POW-MIA Memorial Highway" but no one calls it that) is being repaved in segments. But as soon as one part is fixed, another part develops more potholes. Ahh, the joys of living in NYC.

lig1

Recently test drove a vector and loved most everything except its really harsh ride; then drove the arc and found it's handling too soft.
Any thoughts on the best way to resolve this, if any? 1) Replace vector 17" tires with 16s? any problems with this? OR 2) use sport suspension option on the arc (or does this just get me back to the same ride as the vector?).

moses26

I'm considering purchasing a 2000 9-3, and was wondering what type of gas this car needs. Does it need premium, or can you use regular? I have a Land Rover now, and am so sick of paying all my money for gas, i dont want to have to buy premium gas ever again. Thanks for your help in advance.

lovehate93

ok everyone, i'm begining to think i have bad car karma. from bmw to saab and now i have the same problems. At 53k miles i accidentally put 87 octane gas in my car(usually i put midgrade 89) and soon my check engine light started to come on and off. took it in to saab tech here in chicago and they put it on the computer and said they cant find anything wrong and that the computer is telling them that the engine is fireing which he says it should be doing. they had turned of the light but it continues to come on and off. i've taken it in twice and they have finally given up i guess. i simply want the light off if nothing is wrong. who else can i take it too? additonally since i got the car back the first time the radio now goes out on and off as well? i asked them if they did anything to it and they said they did not touch the radio, is it possible that the computer damaged this some how or shorted it out?. any advice will help. i love my car but with problems like this i cant enjoy it at all and my faith in saab is dwindeling.

r34

You can put 87 into any 9-3. It will cost you a little bit more money to put premium gas into a 4 CYLS (not liked the 8 CYLS Land Rover). I have a 2001 base. I found there is a slight difference between putting regular & premium gas into my car but I still think it is worth.

hungshy

From my experience, unless it called need to add premium gass into your car. Better engine oil is the good choice to make car performance well.

jerseysaab

Sorry that this is gonna be a little long winded. But I've been reading 80% of all the messages on this board and give some of my input and see if anyone can help clear up some things for me too!! OK...here goes...

I just bought a '03 Arc93 in June. I LOVE the car! Yeah there's been the few little glitches but nothing TOOO major. I already have about 7500 miles on it (MAJOR distance to work!) and am still impressed with it.

I've noticed the same thing about the headlights that you can't turn them off or switch them to daytime running but that's not a big deal for me. I don't mind them on at all.

One of the few problems I've had is with my trip computer. At about 4000 miles I tried to reset the computer and it ended up freezing on me and I couldn't change anything. I brought it in and the dealer said he upgraded the software and now it works great.

I don't hear ANY door rattle YET (hope not ever!) but I do hear the buzzing passenger speaker that people talk about but only when certain radio stations are on.

I too had problems with my garage door opener and just gave up after awhile and waited for my 30 day inspection and had them do it for me. What took me forever to try to figure out only took them a matter of seconds!

Also saw some people on here asking about Jersey/NY dealerships. I went to Ramsey Saab and they were GREAT! Being a female, I was a little skeptical about going in by myself and getting the runaround but they were totally professional and fair. I even had my older, wiser father go in another day and price the same car. Not a difference at all! Great people to work with! Ask for Larry if you go. Don't go to Saab in Bergenfield. They were trying to give us the runaround for everything. And would NOT stop pushing the lease option even though I told him I'd be putting 30K miles on my car in ONE year (wow...still makes me sad to think about that!). I finally got so aggravated I just walked out.

In terms of stalling, I had the car stall once at a light but hasn't happened since. Dealer said if it happened again to let them know. I DID however, have the engine shut of WHILE I was driving down the road. I had just pulled out of my garage and was no more then about 500 yards away from my house when I saw the check engine light go on. Good thing I thought to pull over b/c as I was the whole car shutoff and steering column locked. I turned off the car, turned it back on, and it hasn't happened since. I'm going for an oil change in about 500 miles so I'll bring it up then.

Has anyone solved the problem of the auto wipers? I have to manually activate them every time I get in the car and it starts raining. If I already did it though, and it starts raining again, they work fine.

The headlamp washers...it's only a spray right? Not supposed to have actual wipers?

One small thing that ticked me off about the Arc is the wooden trim. I accidentally dropped my original garage door opener onto the trim by the console and it scratched immediately! Very irritating every time I see it now!

No OnStar problems to report here...

Someone asked about a leather cleaner. My friend actually has a Saab as well and let me borrow the Saab leather cleaner you can buy online. It works GREAT! I bought a bottle for myself as well since I have to clean my steering wheel every few weeks (I ride horses and the barn dirt gets everywhere!). Also bought the conditioner but dont want to overuse it.

Has anyone went to get their oil changed at the dealership?! How much do they charge? I was told that I should change the oil ever 5K (even though Saab says you can go 10K...) but at $60 or $70 a pop, it could get a little expensive!

I read something about the auto lock feature...how do I activate that? I thought it was already activated and I once forgot to lock the car and realized as I was in the store. I didn't get too worried b/c of the auto lock but when I went to my car, it was definitely still unlocked.

guygabriel

I picked up my arc this past April. It's a 6-speed manual and I haven't had any stalling problems. Mine has 5,200 miles and I had the oil changed at the dealer at about 4,800. I'm also going to change it every 5,000; I just don't feel right waiting any longer than that. My dealer only charged $40 (JMK Saab).

The headlamp washers are only a spray. I believe in the manual it says that they wash the headlamps every fifth time the windshield is washed.

Also, you can easily replace the wooden console trim if it really bothers you. It's not too expensive; I think about $140.00. Check with your dealer; they might discount it. My dealer discounts practically all parts if you purchased the car from them.

Did you get the car with "Touring Package"? Only this package has the rain-sensing windshield wipers. Otherwise, you have to turn them on as you normally would.

Good Luck! So far, I've been very, very happy with mine.

jerseysaab

Thanks for the info. I just think that the oil change is a tad more expensive by me since it's the NYC area. Guess that's what I get for living here!

Yeah...I'm going to eventually change the wooden console. With my luck though I'll scrath it again as soon as it's replaced!

Yup! I have the touring package too. The wipers work but I have to activate them every time I turn the car on. They don't just go on by themselves the first time.

Other then that though, I LOVE the car. It makes my long drive to work SOOOOO much more bearable! I drove a Honda Accord to work once (my friend traded with me for the day b/c she dropped my car off for service) and it was horrible! I couldn't wait to get out of the car and DREADED driving all the way back home!

kyfdx

They are designed that way.. Otherwise, you take your car to the carwash on a nice sunny day, and the wipers come on, then get taken off by the brushes. BMW's are the same way. They have to be reactivated each time the car is turned on.

regards,
kyfdx

rsdr

went for the the 30 day inspection, onstar got reprogrammed, rest door handle still rattles, they cant seem to hear it .. even I have got used to it, door handles got discolored to which the dealer did agree lets see what they can do about that.Asked them about the gear downshift , they say it is normal for that car ... funny maybe the so called quirkes of saab or saabinezz. My question to all of you is. Is it important to change oil before the car indicates for oil change, seems like this car knows what it is doing , one of there selling points as I understand ?

tsuyoshi

Hi there: I'm considering getting a '00 Saab 9-3 4dr base model with no more than 40k miles after test driving it as it seem to be in my price range and I really enjoyed driving it.

However, I had come across quite a few complaints online here on the rating section where people say they had nothing but trouble. In 1 or 2 instances, people even had cars that died.

From the consumer report this year, reliability seems to be decent ('though not great as Honda & Toyota's, which I'm just tired of).

What do you guys think (as 9-3) owners? Will I be looking at expensive maintenance or repair bills constantly or even left with a dead car?

gbriank

There were a few issues with the 2000 model year, mostly annoyances. I recommend you look at the 2001 model year. GM had more play in how Saab worked, not to mention components are a little cheaper. I have a 2001 9-3 SE and have had virtually no problems with mine. Are you looking for automatic or manual?

tsuyoshi

I'm looking for an Automatic tranny 9-3... '01 9-3 seem to be hard to come by