Volvo XC90 SUV

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  • mommy2xmommy2x Member Posts: 3
    1- what is volvo's problem with the rollout of the DVD/ ent system? My husband is pissy about not having this factory installed option available? And I can't see why it would take them so long-- any insight?

    2- In regard to the side curtains, as my child & child-to-be are quite small, isn't it a safety hazard to have side airbags next to the child safety seats? I've really researched this, and I of course am aware of the danger to children/ rear-facing placed in front of an airbag-- and it seems intuitive to my completely uneducated self that it might pose a threat to small kids in safety seats if the airbags deploy in the case of a small collision. Anyone have any info?

    3-- Also about side airbags: if the purpose of airbags is to keep occupants from being ejected from the car, if the occupants are already safely buckled (or even in car seats), is it even necessary?

    Volvo reliability makes me nervous, so I'm really looking for the justification to wait to get a Volvo (that won't even have the DVD system)...

    Thanks in advance for any help.
  • jb_shinjb_shin Member Posts: 357
    This is only my opinion, but:

    if a child is properly buckled in the child seat, and the seat is properly mounted, I can't see how it can be harmful to have a side airbag. I believe the problem is when a child leans on the door and the bag deploys. I think you may be able to find information in this regard on the web.

    I am quite certain that the primary purpose of the airbag is to absorb impact energy, not to keep one from being ejected. Seat belt on the other hand, should keep one's body from hitting the interior of the car in an accident, as well as to keep one from being ejected. If the airbag were a curtain-type, like those from Volvo and MB, then it can also keep one from begin ejected, but still the primary purpose should be the impact energy absorption.

    Again, just my opinion from what I have read.
  • bigeddybigeddy Member Posts: 181
    mommy2x: "... isn't it a safety hazard to have side airbags next to the child safety seats?"

    Not at all. The side curtain is somewhat different than a frontal airbag. Its main purpose is to protect the head from side impacts and glass during rollovers or T-bones. It deploys differently and stays inflated longer.

    Head injuries are a major problem in car crashes, so much so that (without curtains) it probably makes as much sense to wear a helmet in a car as on a bicycle.
  • ambaerambaer Member Posts: 14
    Hi all-
    We just picked up our 2004 2.5T and I love it. It was the first 2004 the dealer had delivered. We got it in Ruby Red and it is gorgeous. The 17" wheels are now standard and we also got the aluminum trim package instead of the wood and it looks very sharp. Maintenance is now included up to 30K. The base price for the 2WD 2.5 is $34.4K. Our final MSRP was $40.9K. I haven't noticed any of the problems some folks have reported (FM reception, parking break, etc). In fact, I haven't noticed any problems - gas mileage right now is mediocre but I expect that to improve - we have only had it a week and I drive mostly city anyway. It rides really smooth - my husband and I are both enjoying driving it and my son loves it - he says its his car and he is only 2!
  • ambaerambaer Member Posts: 14
    The side curtain airbags come down from above the window (almost where it meets the roof) and are meant to protect your head from the glass. Since they don't inflate against the body and the front of the face, theoretically, they shouldn't pose a problem for the little ones (if they are buckeled in properly). Also, they should only deploy in a side-impact collision or a rollover. If the car detects a rollover, the bags will stay inflated longer in case the car rolls several times. Hope that helps.
  • ambaerambaer Member Posts: 14
    My husband and I also looked at the BMW X5. Our first problem was finding one in the Bay Area for less than $50K. The BMW is definitely smaller and after owning our S40 (which we loved but outgrew), we decided to stick with Volvo. As for the tight curves in the BMW, if it is really important to you to be flying through tight curves than maybe the BMW is for you. My husband went through the Moose Course at the Alameda Drive Event at 65 miles an hour (then the driver swerves to the left), and the Volvo completely corrected itself. That was the selling point for him! I think if somebody does manage to roll this car over - the driver was going way too fast to begin with. Volvo also has the side curtain airbags for all 3 rows and we also ordered the laminated safety glass. I think this car is as safe as it gets.
  • jb_shinjb_shin Member Posts: 357
    There are 2 types side airbags, the curtain-type and the door or seat mounted bag. It is the latter that could be dangerous, depending on the passengers position.
  • aaa_edgar_poeaaa_edgar_poe Member Posts: 24
    With only about $2000 of options added.

    And get this, I would not be allowed to test drive the vehicle unless I was prepared to basically say 'yes' to the $48,000 and dirve it away then.

    Far as could coud tell, it shoult only be about $42,000; so they want a $6,000 dealer mark-up. They say they only get two (2) 2004 SUVs every 6 months -- IIIIIIIIIII don't believe it.

    I must admit, though, that 2004 look like the best dam thing I ever saw! ANd I'm talking about something I really shouldn't buy. I should buy a 2003 VW Jetta TDI that gets 49 miles to the gallon on diesel. BUt, buy, I like the look of that XV90. I feel like the master of the world in it.
  • aaa_edgar_poeaaa_edgar_poe Member Posts: 24
    People at work think I'm crazy.
  • aaa_edgar_poeaaa_edgar_poe Member Posts: 24
    But I don't fasten teh chin strap!
  • heleandrewheleandrew Member Posts: 10
    Why not?
  • rbirns1rbirns1 Member Posts: 318
    Yoy may want to check with your agent about insurance costs. BMW's, especially X5's, love to "disappear". My brother's X5 was stolen this year. He replaced it with another one, which was promptly broken into within a week. For some reason the perps didn't take the second one, but Bro was left to deal with the break-in damage. Police said there had been no less than seven X5's stolen from that area within the past month. You hate to make a car choice based on these things, but sadly that's the world we live in.
  • xcdriverxcdriver Member Posts: 5
    ambaer-
    You say you have the aluminum inlays, what interior did you get, the taupe of Graphite? Did you get a wood wheel too?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    You guys are laughing now, but just wait...

    protective headband for car occupants (Australian Transport Safety Bureau)

    Steve, Host
  • mommy2xmommy2x Member Posts: 3
    It was very clarifying.
  • schuhcschuhc Member Posts: 333
    Which may explain why you're so bitter. Check with your state's lemon laws in order to ensure that you can turn that back in.

    Looking at your prior posts it seems like you and bigeddy were the ones stirred up. As you have not said anything about the Austin Healey 3000 or uncoordinated basketball players in your posts I don't believe you have hit on my status symbols just yet.

    And remember to keep saying to yourself..."I've bought an SUV. I've bought an SUV." Hopefully you can get over this identity crisis of the 'performance car' that you thought you bought.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Member Posts: 5,238
    The side bags only deploy in the event of a rollover, or serious frame damage to the car.
    The seat mounted bag deploys parallel to the seat occupant, not at them like the German door mounted ones.
    This design is much safer to the seat occupant.
    One thing to remember is never to cover the side of the seat with any material, like sheepskins or other seat covers.
    There are special seat covers made for seats with airbags.
    The curtain comes down against the glass and doesn't go any lower than the bottom of the windows.
    A properly restrained child should not come into contact with the curtain system.
  • volvobustervolvobuster Member Posts: 14
    Hi schuhc:

    It's a lemon alright, and I'm more than familiar with our state lemon law. When life throws you lemons, wait 'til they rot, then throw them back.

    I lemoned a 93 Saab 900, replaced it with a '94 and lemoned that one, too. They spent, respectively, 25 and 30 days in the shop the first year. Law says three repair attempts for a "serious" defect, or more than 15 shop days (working days, excluding weekends and holidays.) Bingo - no argument. I switched to Volvo in 95 and I've been very happy...until now.

    I've driven an SUV or 4X4 since owning a 68 Scout four banger. We called them "trucks" back then. Performance vehicle, SUV, blah, blah, blah. Semantics aside, no vehicle should perform the way this XC90 does. I've owned better go-karts.

    By the way, the "intuitive" transmission now lags intermittently under light acceleration as well. I think it's learning disabled. I've sidelined the car until I sell it 'cuz I'm tired of lurching forward in the seat every time it decides to lag in the 1-2 shift. I refuse to devote any more time or energy to this debacle.

    My status symbol is a 99 Beetle (yellow, oddly enough), and I would never dis an A.H. 3000 or an uncoordinated basketball player!

    Love, vb
  • bigeddybigeddy Member Posts: 181
    ambaer: "The BMW is definitely smaller...."

    Yes but it also comes with a full-size spare and a 24-gal gas tank. That Volvo spaciousness does not come free. Of course, there are other reasons to prefer the Volvo.
  • schuhcschuhc Member Posts: 333
    I'm not sure on some of the rules of this but isn't there something that allows you to return the car and get your money back before the car hits 1.5k?
    I would think that you may wish to explore this option so you don't sell it to someone else and leave yourself open to 'stuff'.

    The only other suggestion I would have is just to leave it in 1st gear all the time. That would take care of the 'lurch'. You may wish to avoid highways if you do that though.
  • gen64gen64 Member Posts: 5
    I am planning to buy XC90. Is it worse to pay additional $795 for a LoJack? I am in NYC. Any recommendations or advice will be greatly appreciated.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    find out what kind of insurance breaks you can get with it? That may justify the cost alone?
  • gen64gen64 Member Posts: 5
    I need 4 years of insurance discount to cover LoJack cost and Lojack doesn't give same amount of money in case if car is stolen.

    Bellow info from LoJack web site:

    "WARRANTY PRODUCTS FOR YOUR VEHICLE

    LoJack with Guarantee Plus 5000*- Not Available in New York
    Get $2,500 back if your vehicle is not recovered within 30 days and get $2,500 toward the replacement of your new vehicle from your dealer.

    PROTECTION PLUS*- Available in New York only
    Get up to $2,050 insurance coverage and a 5-year warranty."
  • khanhvnkhanhvn Member Posts: 18
    According to the new spec for 2004 the GVWR for 7-seat FWD is under 6000 lbs. I remember that for 2003 it's over 6000 for 7-seat FWD. Can anyone confirm the GVWR for 2003 FWD?

    I have an order for 2004 FWD and may need to switch because of this change.
  • markn7markn7 Member Posts: 4
    I picked up my 2004 today and drove it for 80 miles today. My car has every option except security package. I was concerned about the radio quality (reception) and the so called "lurch" between 1-2 gears. Well, I was taking it easy on the vehicle because it is new and it had no problem with gear changes at any speed. Of course it is new and I will keep everyone up to speed on my car, but I must say this car was fantastic the first day. The radio sound quality is awesome! and this thing can take turns and curves like a sports car. The only thing that pissed me off was they changed the deal on the wood steering wheel in Sweden. For 03, you get the T6 package and you got the wood steering wheel. I have the 04 and you have to order it over and beyond the T6 package for $300. I chewed thier [non-permissible content removed] at the dealer and they will install for 1/2 cost, but still, Volvo seems a little greedy. After all,I paid $48k for this thing and they can't throw in the wood trim steering wheel? That is BS!

    Still, I am in love with the car right now and look forward to driving tomorrow. Anybody know how long the break in period should be before you push this car to the limits?
  • ambaerambaer Member Posts: 14
    Hi- We didn't get the wood steering wheel - if you don't order it, you get a leather wrapped steering wheel which I think looks really nice. We have the aluminum inlays with the Taupe interior - I was a little worried about taupe with silver but it looks quite sharp. The only problem is the aluminum door handles (which I think all the cars have) - lots of toddler finger prints.

    BTW - bigeddy: On the BMW X5, you are certainly paying for the bigger gas tank and the full size spare too! Nothing on that car comes cheap. I think unless you want a high performance engine, the Volvo is more bang for the buck than the X5.
  • bigeddybigeddy Member Posts: 181
    ambaer: "On the BMW X5, you are certainly paying for the bigger gas tank and the full size spare too! Nothing on that car comes cheap. I think unless you want a high performance engine, the Volvo is more bang for the buck than the X5."

    No argument here. I was just pointing out that there are tradeoffs. To fit 7 passengers the Volvo designers made tradeoffs in fuel capacity and the spare tire. Stopping more frequently to fuel is usually just an inconvenience, although with more rural gas stations closing it could be a major problem in some cases. A full-sized spare, on the other hand, is very much a safety issue for rural drivers.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Member Posts: 5,238
    Only the AWD 7 pass XC90's exceed the 6,000 lb requirement.
    This was true for the 03 as well.
  • resortboyresortboy Member Posts: 3
    Hello everyone! I just picked up my 2004 T6 (Black Sapphire/Graphite, Convenience, Touring, All Weather, Rear AC, Exterior Appearance & Tinted Windows) yesterday and I just love the car! Although I have not posted here before, I have been reading the posts for sometime and I would like to thank all of you for the great comments, critiques and input about almost every aspect of the XC90.

    Of course, I am hoping for a trouble free vehicle experience, but it is nice to be aware of some of the possible problems.

    As I drive and experience my XC90, I will report on the good, the bad and the ugly. First significant trip (1000km) this weekend so, hopefully, all will operate smoothly.

    Question: Does anyone know what the "AF" option is on the radio settings menu of the Level III audio system? I can't find anything about it in the manual and my dealer rep is having a day off... Thanks.
  • schuhcschuhc Member Posts: 333
    I belive the AF stands for "Alternate Frequency list" and also believe that allows for 7 alternate frequencies of affiliated radio stations. Think that means that it searches for an alternate frequency on a radio station should the one your listening to get kind of nasty.

    Don't quote me on this though as, if you have read any of my prior posts, according to my wife I am an idiot and know nothing.
  • resortboyresortboy Member Posts: 3
    Thanks for the info, schuhc. Much appreciated.
  • chokksonchokkson Member Posts: 5
    my xc90 makes the loudest signal sound I have ever heard. Do you guys have the same experience?
  • resortboyresortboy Member Posts: 3
    chokkson... my signal is also very loud, but my Jaguar signal is equally loud. I guess it is just a European thing.
  • schuhcschuhc Member Posts: 333
    Or given that it is Jaguar and Volvo...Perhaps a "FORD thing"
  • rbirns1rbirns1 Member Posts: 318
    I want to lease an XC90. I live in NY, where we have a major problem with leasing. There is a 70 year old law here that holds the owner of a car legally liable for damages caused by that car. When you lease a car, the finance company actually owns it. These companies (with deep pockets) are getting sued for the actions of the drivers of these cars. CT and RI are the only other states with such liability for the leasing company. Chase just lost a $28 million lawsuit under RI's law, and as a result, they will no longer doing any leases in NY, CT, or RI. Ford Credit and GMAC have also pulled out of leasing in these states. Others will follow, and those companies that remain have increased acquisition fees to as much as $1,000.

    In most cases, if I want to lease a Volvo in NY, my only choice is Volvo Finance. Their rates are awful right now (probably because they realize they have a near monopoly).

    Can I lease the car in NJ, where there is no such law? If so, what leasing companies are available, and what kind of lease deals are around on the XC90?
  • clpurnellclpurnell Member Posts: 1,083
    hehe forget them both and get the Infiniti FX35. More performance, more features, less cost. was a no brainer in my book.
  • gmark2000gmark2000 Member Posts: 62
    To repeat myself from a month ago...

    "No need to put up the red flags. Despite my own problems and others mentioned here, this is probably a small microcosm of the 50,000+ XC90s shipped to North America.

    We who post about our vehicles here (and over in Swedespeed, volvoxc and VVSpy) are PASSIONATE about their XC90s. Every fleck of dust on the dash might even concern us. We are the advocates and crusaders for the brand, and yet we the worse critics in the same vein. So take each and every comment with a grain of salt and a precious ounce of information. "
  • chokksonchokkson Member Posts: 5
    I'm washing my car today, and realized there is no wiper blade in the rear wiper. I've never used it in the three weeks I've had it. I've got to go back to the dealer one and half hour trip away. I don't trust any other dealer..I'm pissed.. but I love this car..so far...

    \\\\\\\\\
  • darwin2kdarwin2k Member Posts: 2
    For all those interested (and it seems like this has gotten a lot of airplay here), I saw the new factory installed DVD/Playstation in a brand new T6 today. They were backing it into the showroom as I pulled up.

    Comes with TWO screens -- one in the back of each of the headrests. I'm pretty sure you can watch a DVD in one and play Playstation in the other. Pretty sleek setup.
  • sharonsharon Member Posts: 76
    "hehe forget them both and get the Infiniti FX35. More performance, more features, less cost. was a no brainer in my book"

    Yeah, but it looks like something George Jetson would drive--er, fly. ;-)

    I've seen a few on the road lately. I'm sure it's a nice car, but the styling is not for me. Different strokes, as they say.

    Sharon
    '03 XC90
  • xc90loverxc90lover Member Posts: 11
    darwin2k: Are you sure that the DVD was factory installed? If so, what market are you in? I'm in the Atlanta market, and we've been holding off until we can get a factory installed DVD player.

    XC90's Issues and Problems by gmark2000: Have you had any recent problems, because I've noticed that you haven't posted in awhile.
  • darwin2kdarwin2k Member Posts: 2
    I'm in the Southern California market. This was probably the largest dealer (in one of the largest markets, I'm presuming). And if for some reason it wasn't factory, then they did a REALLY nice job on it.

    Volvomax can probably tell you definitively if the factory DVD will be a dropdown from above or in the headrests.
  • volvobustervolvobuster Member Posts: 14
    Hi,
    You should be able to get a wiper refill for less than $10.00 at any auto parts store. You'd pay more than that for gas to go back to the dealer. Luckily you didn't use it, or the dealer would be buying you a new rear window. I'd want to know how the car was prepped by the dealer, and ask for a copy of the PDI (pre-delivery inspection) report. Obviously,they didn't check all functions. What else might they have missed? I always check vital fluids, tires, lights, and other safety items before I take delivery of any new vehicle. But that's just me.

    I'd trade your problem for mine any day.

    vb
  • dachshund2dachshund2 Member Posts: 39
    I would also argue that the FX35 has a look only a mother could love. Maybe that's why my local dealer had 10+ on the lot this week. Volvo has only a demo in the XC90. In my opinion the XC90 has a very unique, classic appearance. Love that
    Scandinavian look.

    The FX35 may perform better 0-60 in accleration, but most of us need our performance in the 30-70 range "urban accleration zone". I didn't put a clock on the FX35 (have driven FX35 and FX45), but my T6 feels faster in this range, yielding better passing and merging capabilities IMO. The XC90 T6 has a torque advantage 280 ft. lbs. @ 1800 rpm vs. 270 ft. lbs. @ 4800 rpm. This max. torque at low rpm gives it the grunt advantage in the "urban accleration zone". The FX35 has better horsepower 280 @ 6200 rpm vs.268 @ 5200 rpm for the T6.

    The Volvo XC90 T6 has better towing capability 5000 lbs. vs. 3500 lbs., better ground clearance 8.9 in. vs. 7.6 in. The FX35 is longer and wider and still only seats five with less leg/hip/shoulder room then the XC90 in the 2nd row. The FX35 has only 65 cu. ft. max. cargo capacity, while the XC90 in 7-passenger form has 93.2 cu. ft. The FX35 does have a better standard warranty 4 yr./60000 vs. 4 yr./50000 for the Volvo, but I'll use up my time before my miles anyway.

    The FX35 may have some various features not offered in the XC90, but the functionality of these in application is debatable. The XC90 has several standard and available features not even offered by Infiniti that are very functional i.e. reverse warning system. Do you really need a power tilt and telescoping steering wheel?

    For those of us with any off-road ambitions (mine involve getting the kayak to water) the XC90 does have the capability as noted in Motor Trend 12/02 edition. The XC90 is the "2003 Sport Utility of the Year". The Infiniti has limited capabilities in off-road adventures.

    The added safety features of the XC90 (DSTC, side curtains all rows, pretensioners all seats, boron steel reinforced roof, crash compatibility...) vs. the FX35 is just another reason why purchasing the XC90 T6 with versatility package (7-seater) was a "no brainer" for my family.
  • clpurnellclpurnell Member Posts: 1,083
    The T6 cannot hold a candle to any FX in any performance category bar none. That is not even arguable. Yes the volvo has better space but that is because it is an oversized mommy mobile. These are two different cars for two different types of people. I am about on road performance, handling, looks and features. I am still looking for a 7+ passenger suv that is why I'm on this board but the xc90 is really a glorified cross country for those who won't drive a station wagon. I drove them all XC, MDX, X5 and RX330 and it wasn't even close. I paid 40k for a loaded fx35 tech the closest volvo would have cost me 8k more. Like I said before no brainer. Plus with all these mishaps with the volvo I will probably buy an MDX, Sequoia or Armada. As for looks I constantly get looks by people wanting to get a glimpse at what I'm driving. I'm sure you are getting the same type of attention in your XC (NOT!) Also I don't need a reverse warning system I have a camera so I can "SEE" what is behind me. Keep waiting for that factory DVD system while my kids enjoy Harry Potter in the back of the best handling SUV this side of a Porsche Cayenne.
  • gmark2000gmark2000 Member Posts: 62
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    Supposedly, it's both the headrest version and the overhead version.

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    You can find the link in here.

    And to answer the question of my absence here, I've been spending most of my time at Swedespeed.com, VVSpy.com, and VolvoXC.com.

    I am waiting for my 60-day check at the end of the month to get my leaky hatch repaired and hopefully get the software upgrade that will fix my radio (FM reception and unit cutting-out/powering off).

    Yes, despite these first year problems, I still love my XC90. It suits me fine and I wasn't gonna be a cheapskate to nickel-n-dime on safety features.

    clpurnell: You've made your choice, so stop being a troll here and go and haunt the FX boards (I'm sure that Infiniti hasn't got any initial quality issues -> NOT!)
  • amarieh2amarieh2 Member Posts: 1
    I like "resortboy" picked up my XC90 and want to thank everyone for their input. The TMV price was right on the money. I bought the Volvo for the safety because my granddaughters 8 & 7 will be the main passengers. However, everything about this SUV is great. I especially liked the video & CD-Rom that came with the car, I call it "the idoits guide to your new SUV" I waited 5 mos for this vehicle and it was worth it. I do have to get use to filling the gas tank up every week, but I didn't buy it for the gas mileage! I still haven't figured out all the bells n whistles yet, so I don't understand how the computer figures out the mpg, sometimes its up to 18mpg. You can be the driver or the passenger and you won't be disappointed with this vehicle. In Colorado, we haven't seen too many XC90 in the last 5 mos, we are planning a road trip to the Grand Canyon for mid to late June, so i will post again after that trip.
  • djasonwdjasonw Member Posts: 624
    I haven't visited this board recently but had to comment on the recent posts comparing the FX to the XC. If I had to choose between the two, I'd certainly choose the Volvo over the FX ANY day of the week. If you have to rank performance as the key factor, then by all means you may prefer an FX45 over the Volvo. I sat in an FX and the interior instrument pod was SO cheaply put together I did not even desire a test drive. The car truly has a look only a MOTHER can love. I believe that car will have a very limited audience in the "looks department". What was Nissan thinking????????? As far as utlility is concerned, I don't have to repeat what everyone else has said on the board. There is NO comparison. I ended up getting an Allroad over the XC but that was because the XC was not available when I purchased. Oh...btw.... the Nissan Murano which some people have also used as a comparison does not even hold a candle to the Volvo. That's another car that will go the way of the AMC Gremlin.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Member Posts: 5,238
    A leased vehicle must be titled in the lesee's home state.
    If you have a legal residence in NJ than you can lease a car in NJ.

    As for the factory DVD, we aren't expecting it to be available until Aug.
    Look for the headrest mounted DVD as part of the XC90 Premier package.
    We believe that the roof mounted unit will be priced around $2,000 installed.
  • gmark2000gmark2000 Member Posts: 62
    Volvomax wrote: As for the factory DVD, we aren't expecting it to be available until Aug. Look for the headrest mounted DVD as part of the XC90 Premier package. We believe that the roof mounted unit will be priced around $2,000 installed.

    I assume this is 100% integrated with the MOST (Media Oriented System Transport) infotainment optical transport network that the XC90 uses. It's a shame otherwise, Dolby ProLogic II 5.1 decoding without movies to watch...
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