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  • pakaganpakagan Member Posts: 11
    I bought my aviator the end of Nov, although I only have about 1200 miles on it. I am a tax accountant and don't get out much these days. I am only getting about 10.8 miles per gallon. What is everybody else getting on their aviator? I am also using 93 on the gas. Also has anyone else notice when shifting from Reverse to Drive it get stuck and doesn't move. Anotherwards it doesn"t go to drive very smoothly instead it will be in neutral.
  • navigator3740navigator3740 Member Posts: 279
    $1,000 down, $800/month, 42 months. 13.7 MPG
  • e350v10e350v10 Member Posts: 92
    $5000 down, $540 per month, 15K MPY, 36 Months, 12.5 MPG
  • tartinitartini Member Posts: 2
    Only 10-12 mpg?
  • jack7742jack7742 Member Posts: 8
    Just completed 5000 mile service. No problems. Mileage when driven by my wife is 14.5 to 15 MPG. On the few occasions I drive, it drops to the 13 MPG range. Lead foot. This mileage comes from the onboard computer not manual calculation. I've never checked the accuracy of the computer.
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    The onboard fuel mileage calculation is very accurate - within a few tenths of one mpg.
  • dweiserdweiser Member Posts: 288
    I drove a $47,000 Aviator at a Lincoln/Mercury/Nissan dealer and immediately after drove a $33,000 Murano. I preferred the Murano over the Aviator by about 10,000 light years!
    It's funny reading the posts here about ignitions failing right out of the dealer, questions about what color fuzzy hair to put on the dashboard, etc.
    I'm sorry folks, I didn't want to join the NBA or have the police think I was a crack dealer driving down the road.
    Enjoy your $47,000 vehicles!
  • jrc346jrc346 Member Posts: 337
    Ouch! Harsh.
  • e350v10e350v10 Member Posts: 92
    To each his own . . . I think a Murano looks like a football helmet with wheels.
  • cekscceksc Member Posts: 20
    The crack dealers are driving Hummers!
  • barbzbarbz Member Posts: 19
    www.autospies.com didn't seem to like the Lexus GX very much, they called it an "exercise in mediocrity"...

    "The good: Incredibly smooth and quiet ride, very peppy around town, fantastic in slippery four wheel drive situations, best consumer navigation system on earth, excellent gas mileage for an 8 cyl. (18MPG around town), way better than an ML320 and more comfortable than an X5, great Lexus customer service.

    The bad: Brakes on our tester were mushy, handling on the twisties is less than impressive, not enough seat adjustment capability (a problem with ALL Lexus cars and trucks…we like a lower cushion that can be raised and angled more, for under thigh support), 4WD should be TOTALLY automatic with no shift levers, etc.

    The ugly: Exterior design is as disappointing as the last generation Mitsubishi Montero, third seat is awful at best, is there really such thing as a $50,000 4runner? Because of low residuals, very little ability to get a discount and average money factors, this bad boy will cost you almost as much as a BMW 745 to lease.

    Auto Spies Verdict: A very nice exercise in mediocrity.We wish it was the size of the Sequoia, with a more emotional design and had a real third row seat. If you want a Lexus SUV, step up to the LX470. It’s like comparing a Rolex to a Seiko. "
  • cekscceksc Member Posts: 20
    It could not have been easy to find a review that was less than outstanding about the GX470. What troubles me about the review is that the primary negative relates to exterior styling-- which is clearly a matter of personal preference. How can the reviewer comment that one should get the LX instead when the styling is almost exactly the same. I bought the GX over the LX because the LX was slightly too big for me and otherwise it is almost the same car. Having once owned a M mercedes, Land Rover Discovery, Lincoln Navigator and (currently) a BMWx5 I can say with certainty that the GX is by far the best SUV I have ever driven. The ride is unbelievable and the appointments and gadgets are unmatched by ANY SUV (except LX). The Lincoln Aviator was a close second choice for me. They are the #1 and #2 SUV's in my view. The autospies review is discredited in that every other review of the GX is outstanding. Barbz-- I need to know if you have driven the GX? Is this discussion better on the GX group?
  • navigator3740navigator3740 Member Posts: 279
    your jealousy is showing.
  • intmed99intmed99 Member Posts: 485
    That statement is just pure stupidity! It has a LEVER because it has an ADDITIONAL gearing, called "low range". If you don't mess with that lever, then it is the same as any other AWD 4wd system.

    That statement alone makes me wonder about the knowledge of the reviewer!
  • clpurnellclpurnell Member Posts: 1,083
    Many systems have switches or dials to select 4lo a lever is out of place in such a high priced vehicle. I agree you need a way to select 4lo but a switch or dial would be more suitable in this application.
  • sirknightdsirknightd Member Posts: 96
    the extra floor shift lever...does seem old fashioned and more...truckish..less refined..but some may find it pleasantly rugged

    I m not looking for a truckish interior..the aviator has been acknowledged for a beautiful interior but of course this is subjective
  • intmed99intmed99 Member Posts: 485
    The 4runner has a dial.

    The transfer case lever is superior because:

    1. It directly connects to the transmission. Therefore, there is no chance of failure. A dial can fail if the connection fails (electrical, water, etc.)

    2. The lever has a NEUTRAL position, which is the safest when towing your truck.
  • sirknightdsirknightd Member Posts: 96
    Does anyone know if there is a difference if you get the optional Trailer tow package with AWD or
    2WD? I rememember reading you add limited slip differential if you add the trailer tow package with 2WD.
    I would think with AWD you wouldnt need the limited slip..isnt the limited slip diffential part of the AWD?

    thanks
  • robbellrobbell Member Posts: 4
    I believe that there are a few additional things you get with the towing package, such as an oil cooler and transmission cooler. I can't find the source where I read that though, so I could be mistaken... I don't remember anything about limited slip or a different axle ratio tough.
  • robbellrobbell Member Posts: 4
    Hi,

    Anyone know where to look for Aviator accessories? I'm thinking of things like: mud guards, all-weather floor mats, tow hooks for the front (can it use ones from an Explorer?), etc.

    Thanks!
    Rob
  • robbellrobbell Member Posts: 4
    I found the source of my info. It is actually on the Lincoln.com site under the Aviator specifications. Turns out that the trailering equipment is: power steering and transmission coolers, heavy duty flashers, and the wiring harness. These items are standard on all models. The only thing the 'Trailer Tow Package' adds is the Class III hitch.

    Rob
  • sirknightdsirknightd Member Posts: 96
    thanks rob
  • bennbbennb Member Posts: 143
    My mom's getting 15.0mpg for the duration that she's owned her Aviator (1200 miles). She's light on the accelerator.

    The only thing I noticed about it that I DIDN'T like was that the driver's seat seems too high or the seating area is too cramped. She has the moonroof so that may make a difference, but I'm only 5'11".
  • dc661dc661 Member Posts: 71
    Lincoln's new program just came out. 0% for 60 months w/ 10% down.
  • sirknightdsirknightd Member Posts: 96
    naviation is showing up in dealers...advance trac should be next......anyone know if the side air curtain deploys in a rollover?...
  • robbellrobbell Member Posts: 4
    I just took delivery of a Ceramic White AWD Premium Aviator with AdvanceTrac. So that option is now out there. Just FYI.

    Rob
  • sirknightdsirknightd Member Posts: 96
    wow...congratulations..enjoy it...i ordered mine with advance trac..was hoping they had started to make them...thanks for the news..
  • bennbbennb Member Posts: 143
    Now getting 15.3 overall for duration of ownership -- 2100 miles.

    Noticed a gap along the floorboard and carpet by the passenger door (b/t the two passenger doors actually) was letting in quite a bit of road noise.
  • nikjreecenikjreece Member Posts: 11
    I live in New Jersey and I keep seeing commercials for Lincoln/Mercury sales event. The commercial talks especially about the Aviator and a payment of $539/month for 39 months with no money down. I assume they are talking about a lease.

    I went to the website and couldn't find any information on this and the dealers in my area don't seem to know anything either.

    Can anyone out there help?!!!!
  • e350v10e350v10 Member Posts: 92
    You might build one on the lincolnvehicles website - the estimate payments section will give you the available deals.

    I know LM is offering 60 month 0% financing right now.
  • gserep1gserep1 Member Posts: 92
    Hello,
      I had the pleasant opportunity to drive both the 2WD and AWD back to back last Saturday afternoon. I went in to look at the Mountaineer, but came away convinced that the Aviator is the way to go.
      I have a few observances:
    1. Both vehicles are very smooth and POWERFUL. You can really feel the 302 horsepower, and the wide powerband of torque. The engine begs to be driven, but since these cars had less than 30 miles each on them, I felt it was not fair to abuse them before someone else buys them.

    2. The AWD, though powerful, just doesn't have the extra "oomph" in all ranges that the 2WD does. It is close, but understandably with the extra weight and complexity of the front axle, and the fact that 35% of the torque is transfered to the front, there is a difference. I live in Southern California, and since I neither ski, or go camping, the AWD would be a waste for me. It steers heavier as well in my opinion, and just feels "bigger". I think I would be happy with the 2WD.

    3. I like my cars equipped nicely, and I find that the REALLY nice ones are always AWD's. I guess that is what sells, although most of us dont really use it that much. There is a tire monitoring system available as an option that uses a pressure transducer mounted on the valve stem inside each tire. I wonder how much these things cost if they are damaged by careless tire installers when tires are changed down the road. Seems like it would be useful item, but expensive once something goes wrong.

    4. The 5 speed transmission is a bit different than other Ford transmissions of late. If 2nd or 3rd gear is selected at a traffic stoplight, or if the car is shifted manually, it stays in that gear regardless of speed. I selected "3" at a light, fully expecting the vehicle to go 1, 2, and finally holding at 3, but not so. Fords transmissions of late have a feature called "2nd gear start", which locks in second to make takeoff in snow or ice easier without wheelspin, but this takes it a step further.

    5. I wonder if there is more of a difference in gas mileage between the 2WD and the AWD than the sticker says. I doubt that anyone will see 19 mpg on the 2WD in any instance. It would be interesting to find out the real difference in gas mileage between 2WD and AWD models.

    6. I am in a quandry as to whether the Cadillac Escalade would be better on gas. I do know that the 2WD drive models of that vehicle is equipped with a smaller engine (5.3L vs 6.0L for AWD) that should get better mileage. The Cadillac can also use regular fuel (as the dealer said), but I know that the Lincoln prefers premium. I am not sure if it could get by with 89, but I assume that mileage and power would both suffer as a result of using lower octane fuel.

    7. Both Lincoln and Cadillac take big hits for depreciation the first 2 years..( appreciably more than their Japanese and German rivals). Probably an excellent car to buy slightly used, but I think I would like a new one.

    8. Quality control in the interior is not up to par with their overseas rivals. I saw leather stitching that was not quite right in a few areas on more than one vehicle.

    9. The Lincoln really needs a power tilt and telescopic steering wheel. It seems as though it would be there naturally.

    10. The power seats are fine in one respect, but not so good another. The seat backs tilt manually, vice electrically, which seems a bit out of place for a car of his caliber and class. It seems intentional..(so as not to be as good as the bigger Navigator).

    11. The inside door release handles are too far down the door to be reached easily...especially in the dark. One should not have to "feel around" for them.

    12. The Navigator is simply too big for my tastes, needs, wallet and garage. The Aviator may be just the ticket. I have heard that the 6.0L Escalade engine is quite thirsty, but don't know how bad.

    These American vehicles have a different feel than the Japanese and German vehicles. Both are wonderful...just different. I have decided to buy American. Hopefully I will be able to make a decision soon.

    GSEREP1
  • geniahogeniaho Member Posts: 15
    I took possession of the Aviator Kitty Hawk today and to say the least I am overwhelmed by the looks, response and comfort this baby delivers. In just one day I have had several people ask me "what is it...WOW".
    I am in every way happy with this choice and have no regrettes. The Kitty Hawk differences are mainly in the interior black leather seats, dash and wood trim and it looks positively plush.

     I exchanged the black walls for raised whites which took away some of the wide board look and I am having a Graphic artist do up a pin stripe to break the sides up even more. It is not a complaint because the whole SUV looks just great as is but the differences just personalize it for me.

     Gas mileage may be a choker but if you drive the AV. with a light foot and use the power when needed as it is intended, I am sure the difference will not be that big over what I had (ASTRO VAN). I am sure us SUVers will get a bit of a hassle from the environmentalists but so be it. It is an ELEV anyway.
    Geniho.
  • gteach26gteach26 Member Posts: 576
    Geniaho, if you get a chance how about posting some pics of your aviator?? Sounds like a nice ride. Congrats!
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    congrats on the new Aviator. We got in a Kitty Hawk today and your right on the money...it is very nice.

    enjoy your new ride!!

    Rich
  • sirknightdsirknightd Member Posts: 96
    Does anyone know how the IVD...interactive vehicle dynamic system is different than advance trac? I ordered advance trac and my expected arrival date is 5/12/2003 and the invoice says IVD

    is IVD a new name instead of advance trac?

    or is it a different system..containing for example rollover sensors?

    thank you
  • shenkarshenkar Member Posts: 159
    Does anyone know if a factory navigation system is an available option on the aviator? I wanted to buy one of these awesome trucks when the first ones hit my dealership. The dealership salesmanager said no nav would be available for this truck, the aviator brochure says it is, and the website says nothing at all. What's the real story?
  • dc661dc661 Member Posts: 71
    The dealer is lying. There are't many, but they are out there. You have to check other dealers. The website shows it under features and it is a $2495 option on the build to order page.
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    The DVD navigation on the Aviator just started production in March...and only 25% of Premium array units potentially could have navigation. Which means, somewhat limited availability...many dealers wont see one for a month or so. If your local dealer does not have the earned allocation, he may not be getting one at all.

    Rich
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    I've seen the new DVD based system....it's very cool. I've been inquiring about installing it in my Navigator - the dealer doesn't have a clue if they can or not. Depends on if it's compatible with my wiring harness......
  • geniahogeniaho Member Posts: 15
    I am in a complete meltdown as to posting a picture.
    I have been to the help section but my limited knowledge of the process gets me nowhere.
    I note there is only one picture by dc661 at #423 of the nav system.
    My picture is in (my documents my pictures kitty.jpg)Then do I enclose that in <>.
    If anyone knows exactly please show a text line and we may have others do the same. Thanks.
    I have had my Av now going on 2000 Ks with not a problem but the learning curve is something else but I will get used to it. geniaho
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    The common stumbling block is finding a place on the internet to "host" your photo. Your "My Documents" folder isn't "on the internet" so there's no way to link to it so the rest of us can see your photos. (That's a good thing; otherwise the rest of us could read all your files, emails, etc.!).

    Your ISP may offer a free home page where you can upload photos for internet access or you can do an internet search for free or cheap photo hosting services.

    Steve, Host
  • utl3utl3 Member Posts: 26
    My dealer could not provide me a straight answer to this questions, so I hope one of you know.

    The Aviator comes standard with an all wheel drive system with a 35/65 torque split, however it seems that when you order Advance Track, you end up with a part time single speed transfer case that is a 0/100 torque split until the back wheels slip.

    Is this true or am I confusing it with an older version of Advance Track on the Explorer?

    Any links that explain this would be welcome.

    Thanks
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    Let me take a swing at this...

    Advance track essentially compares the drivers intended course with the vehicle's actual course...It compensates for the differences
    by combining ABS, traction control and yaw/stability systems...The advance trac automatically applies the brakes to individual wheels and controls engine power to reduce oversteer and understeer. A valuable feature on low-friction surfaces such as wet pavement, snow and gravel.

    concerning the torque split. We looked in everything we have, including the shop manuals and nothing gives us the spilt breakdown. But I will continue to seek out the answer.
  • sirknightdsirknightd Member Posts: 96
    Traction Anytime, Anywhere

     
    Aviator uses two all-wheel-drive systems, neither of which requires driver intervention. A permanently engaged all-wheel drive system that uses a viscous coupling to transfer torque fore and aft is fitted to vehicles without the optional AdvanceTrac interactive vehicle dynamics system. In normal driving, 35 percent of engine torque is directed to the front wheels and 65 percent to the rear.

    Vehicles equipped with AdvanceTrac (late availability) use an electronically controlled single-speed torque on demand transfer case. On most surfaces, this system operates in rear-wheel drive, but if wheel slip occurs, a clutch pack can send up to 100 percent of torque to the front wheels. The system monitors front and rear driveshaft speeds and throttle position, and can anticipate rear wheel slippage and redirect torque before traction is lost.

    All-wheel drive Aviators equipped with AdvanceTrac need only one wheel with traction to move because AdvanceTrac monitors wheel speed at each corner and uses the anti lock brakes and engine management to control wheelspin. This allows engine torque to be directed both fore and aft and side-to-side without heavy locking differentials.
  • avfan2avfan2 Member Posts: 23
    Does anyone know when the 2004 model will go into production? Any news on 2004 changes?
  • heyjewelheyjewel Member Posts: 1,046
    Great post, sirknightd.
    I wonder, does this combo significantly improve Aviators' off-road or snow capability? From your description, it sounds like it to me. That was pretty much the only knock I've had with the Av.
  • utl3utl3 Member Posts: 26
    I was on Kelly BB site (kbb.com) and noticed that they already had info on the '04 Navigator. One interesting things is that it listed 3 new colors; Merlot, True Blue, and Silk Since the Aviator follows the Nav's colors, maybe they will offer the three new colors on the '04 Aviator. Can anyone confirm this?

    Thanks
  • utl3utl3 Member Posts: 26
    This article from the Det news speculates that due to the poor sales, Lincoln will need to add features to the Aviator for the price. You think so? Gee, maybe a self dimming mirror like my Chevy truck has would be a good start for a $45K SUV.

    Enjoy.

    http://www.detnews.com/2003/autosinsider/0305/25/c01-173587.htm
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    It's about time the normal features a Lincoln should have had better start appearing, including power seat backs! I excused them for the early intro, but I'm out of patience too.
  • ANT14ANT14 Member Posts: 2,687
    This is the second article, with the same BIAS analogy and it's getting quite old already.

    The vehicle has only been out a few months, it has had a slow start, specially being December/January is a slow month on sales for freshly introduced vehicles (most peoples credit cards are a bit drunk from the holidays).

    The vehicle hasn't even had half a year, and already people are writting it's obituary without even decent time. JUST because it's a Ford product, they expect it to sell 100K+... REALITY, the vehicles sales target is 25K-30K units. If you do the math, it's ON track....

    Another point... If the sales of the Aviator at @ 2400 for last month, is something to be worried about... Here are the list of the following vehicles who's sales were less....

    April Numbers....

    Lincoln Aviator 2,463
    Mercedes-Benz M-Class 2,303
    Volvo XC90 2,263
    Infiniti FX45 2,111
    Ford Excursion 2,022
    Suzuki XL-7 2,012
    Chrysler Pacifica 1,806
    Mitsubishi Endeavor 1,794
    Mitsubishi Montero Sport 1,414
    Porsche Cayenne 1,353
    Land Rover Discovery 1,341
    Isuzu Rodeo 1,293
    Cadillac Escalade ESV 1,231
    Subaru Baja 965
    Suzuki Grand Vitara 930
    Kia Sportage 911
    Land Rover Freelander 826
    Oldsmobile Bravada 750
    Land Rover Range Rover 749
    Lexus LX 470 705
    Infiniti QX4 659
    Mitsubishi Montero 531
    Toyota Land Cruiser 511
    Isuzu Axiom 484
    Suzuki Vitara 413
    Isuzu Ascender 276
    Isuzu Rodeo Sport 229
    Isuzu Trooper 169
    Mercedes-Benz G-Class 165
    Hummer H1 77

    I don't see any obituaries written for those other vehicles....

    You know what dissapointing,... When you have a Suzuki Vitara that sells for around $20K and you can't push them off the lot, and your sales are 413 a month, now THAT's bad. I don't see headlines about the impending doom of that vehicle...

    Considering the Aviator is an Explorer underneath, imagine the profit Ford makes off of it at it's price tag of $42-49K. At @ 2400, that's quite a bit...

    Conclusion: The vehicle is off to a slow start, let's talk about this at the end of the year and see how it does on it's first year....
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