If they are broadcasting a regular live radio station through XM, of course there will be ads. Otherwise, there would be just dead silence when they ran the local station commercials.
I listen to CNN on XM on my way to work each morning. XM covers the CNN breaks with either promo spots for other XM channels, or with one- to two-minute featurettes -- usually on entertainment, business, Newsweek Minute, Consumer Reports, etc.
These features are well-produced, but they don't always get updated or changed out on a timely basis. This week, I heard a feature on end-of-year tax tips. The advice was sound, but it came several days too late to do anyone good. I guess someone wasn't paying attention to the kill date on the spot, if there was one. But hey, at least it kept XM out of dead air (or broadcasting CNN's spots for which XM didn't get paid).
I'm really looking forward to the XM music channels going commercial-free -- not only for the listening benefit, but also because we'll no longer have to read any more posts on this board with that "nyah, nyah" tone about Sirius being the only one with all its music channels commercial-free. And it looks like XM will be offering more commercial-free music channels for a lower monthly charge than Sirius. Hmm.
"And it looks like XM will be offering more commercial-free music channels for a lower monthly charge than Sirius. Hmm."
Or maybe you just haven't gotten the second half of the email that is coming after Feb 1 that XM will raise the monthly subscription price. I hope this is not true, just a thought. But there is no free lunch. if XM was supplementing their lower monthly cost with ads, and now they drop the ads, where is that revenue going to come from? I am always leery of businesses in such situations. There is almost always a catch.
The e-mail from XM specifically states that the new features, including commercial-free music and "instant" traffic and weather will be included in the $9.99 monthly fee. That doesn't mean the price would not rise at some future point, but I think with over a million subscribers now (and I'm sure many like me who have more than one receiver) they are starting to get more revenue from subscribers to offset the ads. Just a guess...
I hear you, cable is hardly commercial-free, but that's not the cable company's fault (well, not entirely). As more and more cable channels come along, they are all vying for a piece of the subscription fees. And of course television production costs are much higher than radio. At least with XM there is no middleman, the fees go straight to the service/content provider. But for now I'm pleased that XM is going commercial-free on it's music channels. Truth be told, I don't mind the occassional 15- or 30-second spot between songs, but I was worried that they were adding commercials rather than reducing them. At any rate, it was nowhere as bad as the local AM and FM stations; I can drive my entire 15-minute commute without hearing a single song at certain times of the day! (That's one reason why I don't listen to them any longer!)
I'm with you. The local AM talk radio station has like 15 minutes of content and the rest is commercials...FM is not much better. The superior sound quality of the XM and now NO commercials, has me sold. Currently have it in two vehicles in the household and waiting for my free home kit by mail. Should sound awesome on my Bose Acoustimass 15 Series 3's. Can't wait.
Bought the Audiovox PNP2 "Jam Pack" two weeks ago, and am amazed at how much that stupid little device has affected the quality of my life. It makes me sound odd, but it really did.
1. Instead of listening to inane chatter on my morning drive, I listen to one of the Jazz stations. It's like I'm in a rolling coffeehouse on my way to work.
2. Sirius makes their music channels available online; I've been listening every day at work on my PC, and it sure beats listening to the dull roar of plastic injection molding machines outside my door.
3. On my treadmill at home I've been listening to an MP3 player. This is great, but even with 1.5 gig of storage I found myself constantly refreshing the music on there. What I did is run a second set of speakers from my home theater (where the Audiovox home cradle is located) down to my treadmill, and now I just crank "Big Rock" while I walk/run. I've had my MP3 player since October, and the selections on "Big Rock" are much better than I've been picking for my MP3 player, that's for sure.
Needless to say, I'm more than getting my money's worth out of this purchase so far.
Why did I pick Sirius over XM? Well, to be honest IMO it was six of one, half a dozen of the other. Both services let you sample their streams online, and I found stuff I liked on both services. What really gets me is the PLAYLISTS. You hear regularly hear stuff that you just don't get on standard AM/FM, or your own music library for that matter. For example, on the way to lunch today I heard some bizarre Star Wars Disco thing on the 70s channel, that was a "jazzed up" version of the Star Wars theme, and the cantina theme. Really cool, and NOT something you would EVER hear on FM, except maybe on Dr. Demento (is he still around? lol).
What "sealed the deal" was that I liked the functionality and look of the Audiovox PNP2 over the Delphi Skyfi, and the hardware was cheaper to boot. The NFL is certainly going to be a nice bonus this fall. One thing I really like about the PNP2 unit is that if a song is on you really like, just push a button and anytime that song shows up ANYWHERE on Sirius, the device will automatically tune to that song. I've heard you can see what is playing on 5 different channels at once, but I haven't cracked the instruction book yet to figure out how to make that work.
That said, I'm sure I would have been just as delighted with XM. There are no losers who pick either service, unless of course one of them bites the dust. But hey, you pays your money and you takes your chances with new technology. Considering how much I'm enjoying mine, and my technophobe wife's reaction, both services will succeed. Yes, that's right, I gave her my login to the Sirius website and after getting hooked on it at work, she wants a Jam Pack of her own this weekend. She actually told me this week that she doesn't understand why anyone who subscribes to one of these services would ever buy another CD; there are channels encompassing so many different types of music, it's like having your own personal, massive MP3 player.
So, uh, anyone ever installed on of these things in a Ford Escape? It's got to be easier than my Maxima - with the "leatherette" dash, I had to buy a cell phone mount to put it on. Hers is all plastic, I can just stick that bad boy on...
Recognized you from some of the smart shopper boards. Great to hear that you love your new sirius. I have almost an identical story to yours, but with XM. Got it in the QX4 as a christmas gift, loved it and now have it for the camry too. I got the XM roady. Not sure if you saw that one, but it has the same functionality that you describe for your audiovox. The roady is car ready, everything you need. With the skyfi you have to buy the car kit seperate. Also you can change the screen color, the green matches my camry pretty close, the QX4 is more of a stretch. It went into my camry great. The only wire you can see is the one coming out of the tape deck down about 3 inches to a trim piece and hidden from there. And you can see the antennea on the dash, but all other wiring hid nicely and the unit sits great in a cubby forward of the gearshift in the console. I mounted it on its holder, but did not have to apply the adhesive. The shape of the holder and the cubby holds the head unit in place perfect. It looks like it came with the car. Waiting for a free after mail in rebate home kit for my roady reciever to hook it up at home. The roady also has the feature you mention about saving a favorite song, up to ten.
I agree with what your wife said. If people try this I do not see how they will ever go back to std AM/FM radio. I was skeptical at first because of the monthly cost, but sold now 100%. The no commercials and great playlist are awesome. The star wars song you mentioned is the Meco version. It was a big hit in the disco crazed 70's. Of course I know this because I was the kid that saw star wars 12 times, just in the theather. Yaeh I was a little nuts over anything star wars, at the time. I have a much more sane life now..LOL.
You're all killing me here! For a long time, I've been planning to get a satellite radio of some sort, and my main obstacle is the inability to decide between XM & Sirius. I know I'll be satisfied with whichever I select, but I'm getting positive reviews all around. I suppose it will just come down to whichever programming suits me better.
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Ya, once in awhile I'll go to siriusbackstage.com or xmfan.com and there are some nutballs over there who have BOTH services in a SINGLE CAR! If you're one of them, I meant "nutball" in the kindest possible way...lol
Now, I can understand having both services if they're used in different places; like masspector, I seriously looked at the Roady, and thought about just getting that for wifey's car instead of another PNP2. The rub is that she's mostly into country music, and while it does appear that that the XM and Sirius offerings are clones of each other, you never know if the playlist quality is the same. I'm aware that it would cost me a couple extra bucks a month more to have both services, but it would be nice to be able to try out both XM and Sirius for an extended period of time to judge which one fit my listening needs better.
That said, I can't imagine XM being that much better than Sirius I'd return my PNP2. Perhaps if Sirius' quality slides, or they cheap out and start using music industry playlists instead of real live DJs, then I'll really look at XM.
Now, on Jan 19th Sirius is going to revamp their playlists from what they are currently. All this info is on their website, but it looks like they're doing major adjustments to their rock channels and minor adjustments to the rest of the genres.
kirstie_h, both providers let you sample their channels on their websites. Really dig in and do some serious listening, but you'll more than likely call it a draw. There are definate differences, but they're not overwhelming. From my sampling XM, the impressions I got of both services is that Sirius has more of a "hits" focus, e.g. they're more likely to play stuff you've heard before, even if "before" is 20 years ago. XM plays a decent amount of hits also, but is more liable to play things that you've *never* heard before, even if you're familiar with the artist.
I *personally* prefer the Sirius method, because while I like being exposed to new music as much as anyone, I love hearing old stuff I haven't heard in years, which Sirius delivers on. I'm not saying XM *doesn't* deliver in this area, like I mentioned earlier, my only exposure to XM is listening for about an hour total on their website, hardly enough time to judge the entire service. I just remember skipping around the XM channels a lot because I would listen to a couple tunes that I'd never heard before/didn't like, and get bored.
Anyone choosing today has a giant advantage, because there aren't any programming commitments and the hardware is really quite cheap for what you're getting. Buy a Roady or PNP2, and if you don't like it just return it. All you're out is that first month's fee plus activation ($5 for Sirius if you activate online, I dunno what XM's is). I have to check to see if they're still valid, but I believe both devices have a rebate deal going on where you buy the unit plus their respective car kit, and you get the home kit for free. You mail in for the Roady home kit, and with the PNP2 you buy the home kit when you buy the PNP2 but then send in for a rebate.
The main difference between the hardware is that the Roady is smaller than the PNP2, and uses a cassette adapter while the PNP2 uses wireless FM modulation. I liked the PNP2's large display, but both units have a nice "feel" to them. Some people find the Roady a bit odd, because you navigate using a "wheel" in the upper right corner of the device than click down to select a channel. I personally didn't find it obtrusive when I was playing with it in Best Buy, however. Now, you can buy an integrated FM modulator for the Roady to use in lieu of the cassette. The device is built-in to a cigarette lighter adapter, I *think* it was $40.
I didn't compare the Delphi SkyFi unit, because it's insanely expensive in comparison and it's really no better than either the Roady or PNP2 IMO (unless you're set on XM, that is, in which case it's worth matching up against the Roady for the bigger display). The SkyFi is *currently* $99, same as the PNP2, but the car kit and home kit are $70 each, putting the whole shebang at $240 vs. $150 for the PNP2 (after home kit rebate, which costs $50 up front), and $120 for the Roady (assuming the mail in offer for the home kit is still valid).
Finally, there are boomboxes for both the PNP2 and the SkyFi, but *not* the Roady.
Whew, that pretty much does it for the shopping process I went through two weeks ago. Good luck, kirstie_h, and anyone else reading this who is debating between both services. I'm pretty certain that whichever service you choose, you'll love it. Less than a month ago I was still in my "paying for radio is insane" phase, and I would have never discovered it if I hadn't gotten such a huge bounty of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. In retrospect, I wish I'd known about this earlier! It is WELL worth paying the <$200 cost to get started. Heck, I'm going to do it again tonight when we voyage to Best Buy after dinner and buy our second PNP2 Jam Pack in two weeks!
Anyone want to guess how much AM/FM/CDs/MP3s I've listened to since subscribing?
About 1 year ago I purchased a sony XM radio (Sony refuses to send the promised rebait). I liked it enough that I purchased some stock in both XM and Sirius (both have since more than doubbled). I gave myselfe a kenwood Sirius radio for Christmass. They are both great but the Sirius service gets my nod (altho its newness may still have me biased). I drive for a living so I have one or the other on most of the day (and night)They have replaced the mindnumbing experience of driving for hours in silence instead listining to a talk show hosted by a right wing extremist (I'm realie getting tired of them), or having the radio fade to static just as some great music starts. Satellite radio will save you from everything you hate about am/fm radio and is likely the greatest invention this side of sliced bread.
or lack of thereof at both Sirius and especially XM is my primary reason I don't consider buying the either service. I spend at least 50% of my driving time listening to the conservative talk radio shows and don't find the satellite programming choises even remotely comparable to the AM band broadcast.
I have had the opportunity to sample both, and i ended up with XM. I had Sirius first, with the Audiovox PNP2 unit. Loved the functionality of it, especially the S-Seek that lets you store a song, then get alerted to it if it's playing on any other channel. It's a great unit but just too big and bulky. Plus, I found that the Sirius programming seemed more to the liking of the younger crowd (I'm 38).
XM's programming is more to my taste, it's less expensive, and they are going commercial-free starting Feb. 1. That being said, the Skyfi unit is less appealing than the audiovox. There is no song seek alert, and the full artist/titles are usually not displayed. No big deal, IMO the music is better.
Good luck. But perna pretty much summed it up with the novel he wrote..just kidding. Try them out and see which one you like better. The Roady XM home kit mail in rebate ended Dec 31, 2003. I have no direct experience with sirius but a friend had heard both in rental cars and preferred XM. The playlist is extensive so i do not see how you could not find something you like or get bored with the choices. I was just like perna with the "you are crazy to pay for radio", but I am 100% sold now. It is great. I am still finding great content and it is almost too much to choose from. BTW the roady has the feature where you can mark up to 10 songs and if they are played again youa re alerted. The selection wheel on the roady is pretty cool, but with 30 presets I would not think that you would be using it everyday.
vadp- you bring up an unusual comment. I do not see people buying satellite radio to listen to talk radio. I see it as more of a music outlet as evidenced by the abundance of music channels over talk channels. I have sampled a few of the XM talk channels to see what they are like and I did not find them to be political one way or the other. If you want to listen to conservative talk radio, stick to AM. They are all syndicated anyway so you should be able to pick them up almost anywhere in the country. Maybe people are tired of all the rhetoric and just want to listen to a huge amount of good sounding commercial free music for a change.
Here's another perspective on the am talk radio. I used to listen to it all the time as well. I now realize that I was doing that because I was so disgusted with the FM band broadcasts that I'd sort of migrated over to AM so that I had something to listen to in the car.
I don't like listening to the same band's music (ala a CD's worth). With FM being mostly obnoxious ads and then awful DJ's just to get a few minutes of songs (let alone the sound quality) I had moved over to listening to AM talk radio as well just so I had something to listen to.
AM talk radio can be interesting (and I still listen once in a while) but since I had XM installed in my car as a gift, I have slowly become a convert.
It's all about the programming and SAT radio is where it's at (IMO).
I'd say that now 85% of my time (in the car) is tuned to the XM band and the remaining 15% is AM for mostly local news/talk.
Thanks for ALL of the great tips! I tend to listen to talk radio more as well, but I'm a real channel flipper, and when commercials come on, I tend to flip to any station that doesn't have ads on at that moment. I did find that most of the music stations I like have way too many ads, and also, mostly in the morning, devote a lot more time to DJs chatting amongst themselves than to playing music.
vadp, my other problem with the talk radio stations I get right now is that some of my favorites are only partially broadcast, or not broadcast live. I live in an alleged major market, and yet I get some on a one-hour delay, and another, the last hour is replaced by a local hack. I noticed that the satellite stations carry live broadcasts, which is nice should I ever want to call in and spend an hour on hold
I think that because of channel selection, I'm going with XM. Because of the way my dash is set up, I think it's going to be a real mess if I go with a portable unit that needs an adaptor kit, so I figure I'll get the XM Commander.
Question - I am definitely getting professional installation. Am I better off going to Chrysler, or a good audio shop for the purchase/install?
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Hello, everyone. My sister is awaiting delivery of a BMW 325xi she's going to lease and is interested in getting Sirius (although now that XM will eliminate all commercials from its music streams, she may consider getting that instead). It seems a waste for her to add several hundred dollars to the capitalized cost (I don't know how much the dealer will charge for this dealer-installed option, but last month, BMW announced that it would be a $595 factory option on the 5 series -- that includes activation and 14 months of service, by the way) and pay $13 per month given how infrequently she'll be driving. (She doesn't drive to work.) It's obvious she should get a plug 'n' play system so she can listen to it at home and elsewhere, but I'm wondering how much the installation of the system (especially the wire from the antenna on the outside to the dock inside) will damage the car and result in excess wear and tear charges at lease-end. Anyone know something about this?
I did a serach of this discussion for "lease" and found someone's post that mentioned Best Buy and Circuit City remove systems they've installed in leased cars, but I find it hard to believe they can remove the antenna cable and leave no evidence of its installation or removal, especially since they do the job for free.
Tidester, Crashtest is referring to Best Buy/CC removing a satellite unit for free, because they previously installed it.
I know the Circuit City near me does a really excellent job on installations. Crashtest, all we can do is ask how the installation will be done. The antenna wire can be brought in unobtrusively sometimes-like through a hatchback, through the rear brake light, trunk, etc. I wouldn't worry about the car being ruined. The only thing that would bother me is the hassle of having to remove equipment at the time I'm going through the process of leasing a new car. The process, including car shopping, already takes enough time for me...
I wouldn't go to BB or CC for installation. High school kids doing part time work just doesn't work for me. I saw a friend's 'professional' installation of an XM unit and it was velcro'd to the dash. Not professional in my book.
Most dedicated audio shops have experience in installing this stuff. Since that is all they do, they stand to get hurt bad if they do a bad job and word of mouth destroys their rep.
You may pay more for an audio shop installation, but in my BMW, it was worth it. Besides, the shop I used has a deal that the installations they do will not void my warranty. A big plus.
Paul, that's a pretty wide brush your using to paint all the CC's and BB's as inept!
While I have seen a lot of high school "kids" working at these shops, I have found a few who are professional and know what they're doing.
Installing a SAT radio antenna and FM modulated receiver is a very simple project and I would guess that your average BB or CC has done hundreds of them by now.
This is most likely far more than the specialty shop.
As always, check out the shops you'd think about using. Ask to see pictures of their work (the best shops always have photo albums of their stuff), meet the people working there and then make a decision.
CC installed my FM modulated XM system in a 2 year old Maxima last June and it's functioned perfectly since and looks as good as an FM modulated system could (with the extra tuner).
Yes, I did paint with a wide brush. The BB and CC's around here fall into that category.
Your suggestion of looking at their previous work is an excellent one. The audio shop I used had about 3 volumes of photos from simple head unit installations to complete competition stereos and everything in between.
With the FM modulated solution, I knew the dash was coming apart to fit it in there. That was a major concern and I didn't feel comfortable with a Best Buy or Circuit City kid doing that to my then 3 month old BMW. My big draw was the fact that this shop has a 'partnership' (verified by the dealer) that any work they do will not void any warranties on the car (for audio or interior trim stuff). A BIG plus for me.
I guess the solution you go with depends on what is being done.
I apologize for my over generalization about BB and CC. I do contend though, that you can get a less than ideal installation if you are not careful - regardless of vendor.
It's possible that's what the owner wanted so it could be more easily removed when the vehicle is sold or turned back in at the end of a lease with no holes in the dash etc.
>My big draw was the fact that this shop has a 'partnership' (verified by the dealer) >that any work they do will not void any warranties on the car (for audio or in- >terior trim stuff).
Really? I imagine that any dealer has a (profit) motive to do just the opposite, i.e., make a blanket statement that work done by any shop other than an authorized dealer's would automatically void the warranty. Besides, isn't it the manufacturer which actually has the authority to say what does and does not void the warranty?
(Nice car and sat. radio setup you got there, by the way.)
but this dealership didn't worry about having external shops do their audio work.
I can only see it as (1) BMW knows their stereos bite, so having somebody else work them is a good thing or (2) having an external audio shop makes BMW's look that much better.
Either way, the shop did a flawless job on the install and introduced no rattles in the car. I've had no electrical problems, no audio problems, and I'm a happy camper.
I looked into pro installation at the CC that I bought my two roady's at, but the salesman suggested just trying it myself and if I did not like it or felt over my head I could always come in and have them do the install for $50. This guy has 11 years experience in car audio and was calling out part numbers out of his head to other salesmen for install kits for specific vehicles, as he helped me too.
I was a little concerned about the antennea placement as the roady instruction book says it must be installed outside of the vehicle. The CC guy said a lot of customers installed it in the dash or rear tray with no problem, so to try that first and then mount it outside if needed. He said it all depended on the shape of the windows and where you placed it.
To do my activation, I just hooked up the unit in the car and then activated. I did not worry about hiding wires, etc until i had it working good. Then I tried several, antennea/head unit placement combinations. For me, outside the car and on the dashboard gave the same reception, so I opted for dashboard install since it was easier to run the wires that way. I then just ran the wires along the existing creases and crevices, hiding them. In the camry the only thing you see besides the head unit is the antennea which is about the size of a half dolar and two inches tall in the corner of the dash, and about 2 inches of the wire coming out of the casette adaptor. The rest is pretty well hidden and you have to look really close to see the wires. The head unit fits perfect in the cubby ahead of the gear shift. I used the holder that came with the unit, but did not stick it down. It fits perfect and snug. It is a little reach while you are driving, but I thought this was a fair trade off for a very professional looking install. If anyone is interested I can email them pics. Just let me know.
The QX4 install was not as clean. I did the same procedure and hid the wires as best I could, but there was not a great place to put the head unit and still have reasonable access. The arrangement of the interior trim did not allow for hiding the wires as completely as the camry and you can see about an inch or two in a few places, if you are looking for them. I am also going to be using the home kit, so I needed the head units accessible to be quickly removed.
I guess the bottom line is, try the install yourself if you are into that, you can always have the pros do it later. And $50 for the install does not seem too bad to me. Just if you do it yourself, be careful and patient and do not use any sharp tools. I did the camry before the QX4 and the QX4 took twice as long because it was harder to get the wires just where I wanted them without tearing up the trim pieces. BTW these cars are bought not leased.
Thanks for your story. I've noticed that the Roady is described as having a "micro-antenna," so maybe it's unique in that its antenna can be placed in the interior.
You mention the home kit, but I haven't seen a Roady home kit mentioned in any advertising or at XM's Web site.
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You are correct, the roady antennea is pretty small. Like I said, imagine a silver dollar laying on a table, but make it about 2 inches thick. That is the approximate size of it.
I think the home kit is similar to the home kit for the skyfi. I have not recieved it yet, but will post the details once I have it and have it hooked up. I have not seen any real info on it either. Just during december, if you bought the roady, you got a mail in rebate certificate that you mail in to have the kit shipped to your home. The promo ended dec 31. The CC guy said that in the future they would have more parts and accesories for the roady, but at that time all they had was the roady unit itself.
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I plan on getting Sirius satellite radio tomorrow. I am going to Now Audio Video for the purchase and installation. The price for Sirius vs XM is the same (about $300 for the receiver/car kit/modulator/installation) so I chose Sirius for the following reasons...
1. Ability to listen to all content from your home computer online. This will give me music in my office which is in a hospital and otherwise unable to get good radio reception or satellite reception.
2. Sports programming (NFL mostly).
3. NPR.
After looking and listening to samples of the both on the internet, the music channels/streams seemed pretty comparable. The extra $3 a month is not a big deal - in fact I will probably purchase the first year up front and take advantage of the $10/month promotion they are offering now.
Has anyone had any problems with Sirius? Complaints?
and the lifetime subscription for $500 is a great sounding deal. Basically, pay for 4 years and the rest are free. It says for the lifetime of your radio, not your lifetime. I called and was told it is for one radio however if/when that radio fails you can switch it to another radio after a little bit of nuisance faxing receipts etc. so it may be a good thing.
With XM's recent move to commercial free music channels (just like Sirius original business model), you've got to wonder whether or not the content that the two companies provide is "different" enough for both to survive the next 5 years.
Personally, I'll stay on the month to month plan for the near future as the potential savings generated from a lifetime subscription has yet to be proven, especially if the original receiver or company fails.
Has anyone heard the "anti-satellite radio" commercials that "free" radio is playing? Hear them several times per day here in Boston on WEEI. Says that "tens-of-thousands" cancel their service each month. Seems to be hitting at the "F word" being ok on satellite broadcasts but not free broadcasts. Another one says how stupid it is to have to pay a subscription fee for a second car. Real funny stuff. Makes me want to run home and turn on my SkyFi.
I have not heard these "anti-satellite radio" ads, but I can only imagine that the local radio execs are worried about losing their share to XM and Sirius. Why else would they spend the money on these ads? The best part is that I can't hear those ads while listening to XM!
I just leased a new Chevy Avalanche with factory XM (that and a sunroof were the two must-haves for me), and other than for quickly checking that the FM and AM bands worked (and they were playing commercials, of course), I have not listened to them at all. Someone was asking me about all the antennas on the truck. "That one's for OnStar, and that one is for XM." "What's the tall skinny one for?" "Oh, that's for Ancient Modulation!"
The other day I impressed my co-workers on the way back from lunch when before our very eyes we saw the sheriff's department blocking off the road. I flipped over to XM Instant Traffic and within one minute they were reporting the accident that had just closed the road. Not even the local AM news station is ever that fast. XM rocks!
BTW, I learned something about getting a new GM vehicle with XM. While I was waiting on the finance folks to run up the paperwork, the sales associate was out in the parking lot setting up OnStar and XM. I guess after getting OnStar activated they transfer directly to XM. They had already started the XM sign-up process when I got into the truck, and the XM rep was asking about my particulars (name, address, etc.). I chimed in and told him I already had an account with XM. He said it would have been nice to know that in advance, because he was already setting up a new account for me. He was very pleasant about it, but it really was a headache for him because he had to back out of what he was doing, cancel the new account and add the radio to my existing account. So word to the wise, if you already have XM and buy a new car with XM, make sure you are in the vehicle when the set-up is done. They need either your name and address or the radio ID from one of the radios you already have. Saves a lot of time! I'm still getting the first three months free, and then they automatically add me to the Family Plan (they asked for my permission first).
Just got a 2004 Infiniti FX with a Bose stereo & navigation, and it came with XM as a factory / port-installed option. For whatever reason, the XM radio data displayed on the navigation screen is truncated to allow only about 10 letters (spaces) of display.
I've read that this has been a problem with Nissan & Infiniti versions of XM receivers, and am wondering if anyone has found a fix or solution to this glitch.
This is an XM limitation (not specific to a Nissan/Infiniti)in how many letters/spaces of information that they transmit.
It's a little annoying when you first start listening but your annoyance will diminish after a few months. It also becomes kind of a game to guess the rest of the bands/song name.
To my knowledge, Sirius doesn't have this limitation, but then they don't have XM's programming either..
"Both XM Satellite Radio and Sirius Satellite Radio Inc. now offer traffic and weather for several cities on its national service, but are barred from using ground-based transmitters that extend service into hard-to-reach areas to air programming aimed specifically at a local market. "
I have an XM receiver in my car and it only shows a few letters. I also have an XM receiver (Alpine) in my Jeep. When a new song comes on in the Jeep, it scrolls the name across if it doesn't fit in the display. It does the same for the entire title. If Metallica comes on, I only see METALLIC on my car, but I see "Metallica" scroll past then the title "For Whom the Bell Tolls" scrolls by. This is an Alpine CDA7983 unit (I think). Their new XM ready unit I believe handles the title/artist the same way.
So XM is not limiting transfer size for title/artist that I can see. This may be more of a limitation on the hardware mounted in your vehicle.
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These features are well-produced, but they don't always get updated or changed out on a timely basis. This week, I heard a feature on end-of-year tax tips. The advice was sound, but it came several days too late to do anyone good. I guess someone wasn't paying attention to the kill date on the spot, if there was one. But hey, at least it kept XM out of dead air (or broadcasting CNN's spots for which XM didn't get paid).
I'm really looking forward to the XM music channels going commercial-free -- not only for the listening benefit, but also because we'll no longer have to read any more posts on this board with that "nyah, nyah" tone about Sirius being the only one with all its music channels commercial-free. And it looks like XM will be offering more commercial-free music channels for a lower monthly charge than Sirius. Hmm.
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Or maybe you just haven't gotten the second half of the email that is coming after Feb 1 that XM will raise the monthly subscription price. I hope this is not true, just a thought. But there is no free lunch. if XM was supplementing their lower monthly cost with ads, and now they drop the ads, where is that revenue going to come from? I am always leery of businesses in such situations. There is almost always a catch.
1. Instead of listening to inane chatter on my morning drive, I listen to one of the Jazz stations. It's like I'm in a rolling coffeehouse on my way to work.
2. Sirius makes their music channels available online; I've been listening every day at work on my PC, and it sure beats listening to the dull roar of plastic injection molding machines outside my door.
3. On my treadmill at home I've been listening to an MP3 player. This is great, but even with 1.5 gig of storage I found myself constantly refreshing the music on there. What I did is run a second set of speakers from my home theater (where the Audiovox home cradle is located) down to my treadmill, and now I just crank "Big Rock" while I walk/run. I've had my MP3 player since October, and the selections on "Big Rock" are much better than I've been picking for my MP3 player, that's for sure.
Needless to say, I'm more than getting my money's worth out of this purchase so far.
Why did I pick Sirius over XM? Well, to be honest IMO it was six of one, half a dozen of the other. Both services let you sample their streams online, and I found stuff I liked on both services. What really gets me is the PLAYLISTS. You hear regularly hear stuff that you just don't get on standard AM/FM, or your own music library for that matter. For example, on the way to lunch today I heard some bizarre Star Wars Disco thing on the 70s channel, that was a "jazzed up" version of the Star Wars theme, and the cantina theme. Really cool, and NOT something you would EVER hear on FM, except maybe on Dr. Demento (is he still around? lol).
What "sealed the deal" was that I liked the functionality and look of the Audiovox PNP2 over the Delphi Skyfi, and the hardware was cheaper to boot. The NFL is certainly going to be a nice bonus this fall. One thing I really like about the PNP2 unit is that if a song is on you really like, just push a button and anytime that song shows up ANYWHERE on Sirius, the device will automatically tune to that song. I've heard you can see what is playing on 5 different channels at once, but I haven't cracked the instruction book yet to figure out how to make that work.
That said, I'm sure I would have been just as delighted with XM. There are no losers who pick either service, unless of course one of them bites the dust. But hey, you pays your money and you takes your chances with new technology. Considering how much I'm enjoying mine, and my technophobe wife's reaction, both services will succeed. Yes, that's right, I gave her my login to the Sirius website and after getting hooked on it at work, she wants a Jam Pack of her own this weekend. She actually told me this week that she doesn't understand why anyone who subscribes to one of these services would ever buy another CD; there are channels encompassing so many different types of music, it's like having your own personal, massive MP3 player.
So, uh, anyone ever installed on of these things in a Ford Escape?
I agree with what your wife said. If people try this I do not see how they will ever go back to std AM/FM radio. I was skeptical at first because of the monthly cost, but sold now 100%. The no commercials and great playlist are awesome. The star wars song you mentioned is the Meco version. It was a big hit in the disco crazed 70's. Of course I know this because I was the kid that saw star wars 12 times, just in the theather. Yaeh I was a little nuts over anything star wars, at the time. I have a much more sane life now..LOL.
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Now, I can understand having both services if they're used in different places; like masspector, I seriously looked at the Roady, and thought about just getting that for wifey's car instead of another PNP2. The rub is that she's mostly into country music, and while it does appear that that the XM and Sirius offerings are clones of each other, you never know if the playlist quality is the same. I'm aware that it would cost me a couple extra bucks a month more to have both services, but it would be nice to be able to try out both XM and Sirius for an extended period of time to judge which one fit my listening needs better.
That said, I can't imagine XM being that much better than Sirius I'd return my PNP2. Perhaps if Sirius' quality slides, or they cheap out and start using music industry playlists instead of real live DJs, then I'll really look at XM.
Now, on Jan 19th Sirius is going to revamp their playlists from what they are currently. All this info is on their website, but it looks like they're doing major adjustments to their rock channels and minor adjustments to the rest of the genres.
kirstie_h, both providers let you sample their channels on their websites. Really dig in and do some serious listening, but you'll more than likely call it a draw. There are definate differences, but they're not overwhelming. From my sampling XM, the impressions I got of both services is that Sirius has more of a "hits" focus, e.g. they're more likely to play stuff you've heard before, even if "before" is 20 years ago. XM plays a decent amount of hits also, but is more liable to play things that you've *never* heard before, even if you're familiar with the artist.
I *personally* prefer the Sirius method, because while I like being exposed to new music as much as anyone, I love hearing old stuff I haven't heard in years, which Sirius delivers on. I'm not saying XM *doesn't* deliver in this area, like I mentioned earlier, my only exposure to XM is listening for about an hour total on their website, hardly enough time to judge the entire service. I just remember skipping around the XM channels a lot because I would listen to a couple tunes that I'd never heard before/didn't like, and get bored.
Anyone choosing today has a giant advantage, because there aren't any programming commitments and the hardware is really quite cheap for what you're getting. Buy a Roady or PNP2, and if you don't like it just return it. All you're out is that first month's fee plus activation ($5 for Sirius if you activate online, I dunno what XM's is). I have to check to see if they're still valid, but I believe both devices have a rebate deal going on where you buy the unit plus their respective car kit, and you get the home kit for free. You mail in for the Roady home kit, and with the PNP2 you buy the home kit when you buy the PNP2 but then send in for a rebate.
The main difference between the hardware is that the Roady is smaller than the PNP2, and uses a cassette adapter while the PNP2 uses wireless FM modulation. I liked the PNP2's large display, but both units have a nice "feel" to them. Some people find the Roady a bit odd, because you navigate using a "wheel" in the upper right corner of the device than click down to select a channel. I personally didn't find it obtrusive when I was playing with it in Best Buy, however. Now, you can buy an integrated FM modulator for the Roady to use in lieu of the cassette. The device is built-in to a cigarette lighter adapter, I *think* it was $40.
I didn't compare the Delphi SkyFi unit, because it's insanely expensive in comparison and it's really no better than either the Roady or PNP2 IMO (unless you're set on XM, that is, in which case it's worth matching up against the Roady for the bigger display). The SkyFi is *currently* $99, same as the PNP2, but the car kit and home kit are $70 each, putting the whole shebang at $240 vs. $150 for the PNP2 (after home kit rebate, which costs $50 up front), and $120 for the Roady (assuming the mail in offer for the home kit is still valid).
Finally, there are boomboxes for both the PNP2 and the SkyFi, but *not* the Roady.
Whew, that pretty much does it for the shopping process I went through two weeks ago. Good luck, kirstie_h, and anyone else reading this who is debating between both services. I'm pretty certain that whichever service you choose, you'll love it. Less than a month ago I was still in my "paying for radio is insane" phase, and I would have never discovered it if I hadn't gotten such a huge bounty of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. In retrospect, I wish I'd known about this earlier! It is WELL worth paying the <$200 cost to get started. Heck, I'm going to do it again tonight when we voyage to Best Buy after dinner and buy our second PNP2 Jam Pack in two weeks!
Anyone want to guess how much AM/FM/CDs/MP3s I've listened to since subscribing?
I spend at least 50% of my driving time listening to the conservative talk radio shows and don't find the satellite programming choises even remotely comparable to the AM band broadcast.
XM's programming is more to my taste, it's less expensive, and they are going commercial-free starting Feb. 1. That being said, the Skyfi unit is less appealing than the audiovox. There is no song seek alert, and the full artist/titles are usually not displayed. No big deal, IMO the music is better.
Just listen to both before you choose.
vadp- you bring up an unusual comment. I do not see people buying satellite radio to listen to talk radio. I see it as more of a music outlet as evidenced by the abundance of music channels over talk channels. I have sampled a few of the XM talk channels to see what they are like and I did not find them to be political one way or the other. If you want to listen to conservative talk radio, stick to AM. They are all syndicated anyway so you should be able to pick them up almost anywhere in the country. Maybe people are tired of all the rhetoric and just want to listen to a huge amount of good sounding commercial free music for a change.
I don't like listening to the same band's music (ala a CD's worth). With FM being mostly obnoxious ads and then awful DJ's just to get a few minutes of songs (let alone the sound quality) I had moved over to listening to AM talk radio as well just so I had something to listen to.
AM talk radio can be interesting (and I still listen once in a while) but since I had XM installed in my car as a gift, I have slowly become a convert.
It's all about the programming and SAT radio is where it's at (IMO).
I'd say that now 85% of my time (in the car) is tuned to the XM band and the remaining 15% is AM for mostly local news/talk.
vadp, my other problem with the talk radio stations I get right now is that some of my favorites are only partially broadcast, or not broadcast live. I live in an alleged major market, and yet I get some on a one-hour delay, and another, the last hour is replaced by a local hack. I noticed that the satellite stations carry live broadcasts, which is nice should I ever want to call in and spend an hour on hold
I think that because of channel selection, I'm going with XM. Because of the way my dash is set up, I think it's going to be a real mess if I go with a portable unit that needs an adaptor kit, so I figure I'll get the XM Commander.
Question - I am definitely getting professional installation. Am I better off going to Chrysler, or a good audio shop for the purchase/install?
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I did a serach of this discussion for "lease" and found someone's post that mentioned Best Buy and Circuit City remove systems they've installed in leased cars, but I find it hard to believe they can remove the antenna cable and leave no evidence of its installation or removal, especially since they do the job for free.
I don't think they do it for free - it's part of the cost of the lease.
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I know the Circuit City near me does a really excellent job on installations. Crashtest, all we can do is ask how the installation will be done. The antenna wire can be brought in unobtrusively sometimes-like through a hatchback, through the rear brake light, trunk, etc. I wouldn't worry about the car being ruined. The only thing that would bother me is the hassle of having to remove equipment at the time I'm going through the process of leasing a new car. The process, including car shopping, already takes enough time for me...
Most dedicated audio shops have experience in installing this stuff. Since that is all they do, they stand to get hurt bad if they do a bad job and word of mouth destroys their rep.
You may pay more for an audio shop installation, but in my BMW, it was worth it. Besides, the shop I used has a deal that the installations they do will not void my warranty. A big plus.
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While I have seen a lot of high school "kids" working at these shops, I have found a few who are professional and know what they're doing.
Installing a SAT radio antenna and FM modulated receiver is a very simple project and I would guess that your average BB or CC has done hundreds of them by now.
This is most likely far more than the specialty shop.
As always, check out the shops you'd think about using. Ask to see pictures of their work (the best shops always have photo albums of their stuff), meet the people working there and then make a decision.
CC installed my FM modulated XM system in a 2 year old Maxima last June and it's functioned perfectly since and looks as good as an FM modulated system could (with the extra tuner).
Your suggestion of looking at their previous work is an excellent one. The audio shop I used had about 3 volumes of photos from simple head unit installations to complete competition stereos and everything in between.
With the FM modulated solution, I knew the dash was coming apart to fit it in there. That was a major concern and I didn't feel comfortable with a Best Buy or Circuit City kid doing that to my then 3 month old BMW. My big draw was the fact that this shop has a 'partnership' (verified by the dealer) that any work they do will not void any warranties on the car (for audio or interior trim stuff). A BIG plus for me.
I guess the solution you go with depends on what is being done.
I apologize for my over generalization about BB and CC. I do contend though, that you can get a less than ideal installation if you are not careful - regardless of vendor.
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>My big draw was the fact that this shop has a 'partnership' (verified by the dealer)
>that any work they do will not void any warranties on the car (for audio or in-
>terior trim stuff).
Really? I imagine that any dealer has a (profit) motive to do just the opposite, i.e., make a blanket statement that work done by any shop other than an authorized dealer's would automatically void the warranty. Besides, isn't it the manufacturer which actually has the authority to say what does and does not void the warranty?
(Nice car and sat. radio setup you got there, by the way.)
I can only see it as (1) BMW knows their stereos bite, so having somebody else work them is a good thing or (2) having an external audio shop makes BMW's look that much better.
Either way, the shop did a flawless job on the install and introduced no rattles in the car. I've had no electrical problems, no audio problems, and I'm a happy camper.
Thanks for the compliments.
-Paul
I was a little concerned about the antennea placement as the roady instruction book says it must be installed outside of the vehicle. The CC guy said a lot of customers installed it in the dash or rear tray with no problem, so to try that first and then mount it outside if needed. He said it all depended on the shape of the windows and where you placed it.
To do my activation, I just hooked up the unit in the car and then activated. I did not worry about hiding wires, etc until i had it working good. Then I tried several, antennea/head unit placement combinations. For me, outside the car and on the dashboard gave the same reception, so I opted for dashboard install since it was easier to run the wires that way. I then just ran the wires along the existing creases and crevices, hiding them. In the camry the only thing you see besides the head unit is the antennea which is about the size of a half dolar and two inches tall in the corner of the dash, and about 2 inches of the wire coming out of the casette adaptor. The rest is pretty well hidden and you have to look really close to see the wires. The head unit fits perfect in the cubby ahead of the gear shift. I used the holder that came with the unit, but did not stick it down. It fits perfect and snug. It is a little reach while you are driving, but I thought this was a fair trade off for a very professional looking install. If anyone is interested I can email them pics. Just let me know.
The QX4 install was not as clean. I did the same procedure and hid the wires as best I could, but there was not a great place to put the head unit and still have reasonable access. The arrangement of the interior trim did not allow for hiding the wires as completely as the camry and you can see about an inch or two in a few places, if you are looking for them. I am also going to be using the home kit, so I needed the head units accessible to be quickly removed.
I guess the bottom line is, try the install yourself if you are into that, you can always have the pros do it later. And $50 for the install does not seem too bad to me. Just if you do it yourself, be careful and patient and do not use any sharp tools. I did the camry before the QX4 and the QX4 took twice as long because it was harder to get the wires just where I wanted them without tearing up the trim pieces. BTW these cars are bought not leased.
You mention the home kit, but I haven't seen a Roady home kit mentioned in any advertising or at XM's Web site.
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I think the home kit is similar to the home kit for the skyfi. I have not recieved it yet, but will post the details once I have it and have it hooked up. I have not seen any real info on it either. Just during december, if you bought the roady, you got a mail in rebate certificate that you mail in to have the kit shipped to your home. The promo ended dec 31. The CC guy said that in the future they would have more parts and accesories for the roady, but at that time all they had was the roady unit itself.
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1. Ability to listen to all content from your home computer online. This will give me music in my office which is in a hospital and otherwise unable to get good radio reception or satellite reception.
2. Sports programming (NFL mostly).
3. NPR.
After looking and listening to samples of the both on the internet, the music channels/streams seemed pretty comparable. The extra $3 a month is not a big deal - in fact I will probably purchase the first year up front and take advantage of the $10/month promotion they are offering now.
Has anyone had any problems with Sirius? Complaints?
Personally, I'll stay on the month to month plan for the near future as the potential savings generated from a lifetime subscription has yet to be proven, especially if the original receiver or company fails.
I'm about to add XM to my Jeep Wrangler and have no problem paying the additional rate. I just have to find a place to mount the antenna.
Any ideas on where to mount and which antenna to select?
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http://mercury.blogs.com/radio/2004/03/are_the_antisat.html
I just leased a new Chevy Avalanche with factory XM (that and a sunroof were the two must-haves for me), and other than for quickly checking that the FM and AM bands worked (and they were playing commercials, of course), I have not listened to them at all. Someone was asking me about all the antennas on the truck. "That one's for OnStar, and that one is for XM." "What's the tall skinny one for?" "Oh, that's for Ancient Modulation!"
The other day I impressed my co-workers on the way back from lunch when before our very eyes we saw the sheriff's department blocking off the road. I flipped over to XM Instant Traffic and within one minute they were reporting the accident that had just closed the road. Not even the local AM news station is ever that fast. XM rocks!
BTW, I learned something about getting a new GM vehicle with XM. While I was waiting on the finance folks to run up the paperwork, the sales associate was out in the parking lot setting up OnStar and XM. I guess after getting OnStar activated they transfer directly to XM. They had already started the XM sign-up process when I got into the truck, and the XM rep was asking about my particulars (name, address, etc.). I chimed in and told him I already had an account with XM. He said it would have been nice to know that in advance, because he was already setting up a new account for me. He was very pleasant about it, but it really was a headache for him because he had to back out of what he was doing, cancel the new account and add the radio to my existing account. So word to the wise, if you already have XM and buy a new car with XM, make sure you are in the vehicle when the set-up is done. They need either your name and address or the radio ID from one of the radios you already have. Saves a lot of time! I'm still getting the first three months free, and then they automatically add me to the Family Plan (they asked for my permission first).
I've read that this has been a problem with Nissan & Infiniti versions of XM receivers, and am wondering if anyone has found a fix or solution to this glitch.
Thanks in advance...
P.S. - XM rocks!!!
This is different from Mlm4's Instant Traffic since you get to see alternate routes on a NAV screen.
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Maybe soon in cars?
It's a little annoying when you first start listening but your annoyance will diminish after a few months. It also becomes kind of a game to guess the rest of the bands/song name.
To my knowledge, Sirius doesn't have this limitation, but then they don't have XM's programming either..
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I have an XM receiver in my car and it only shows a few letters. I also have an XM receiver (Alpine) in my Jeep. When a new song comes on in the Jeep, it scrolls the name across if it doesn't fit in the display. It does the same for the entire title. If Metallica comes on, I only see METALLIC on my car, but I see "Metallica" scroll past then the title "For Whom the Bell Tolls" scrolls by. This is an Alpine CDA7983 unit (I think). Their new XM ready unit I believe handles the title/artist the same way.
So XM is not limiting transfer size for title/artist that I can see. This may be more of a limitation on the hardware mounted in your vehicle.
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