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  • pjyoungpjyoung Member Posts: 885
    that if enough people passed you who were "obviously" driving in excess of the "speed limit", you'd feel that it was your duty to step it up 5 mph and move on over....right?
  • nippononlynippononly Member Posts: 12,555
    that when you are driving around town and traffic is stopped, no-one will ever wave you in when you are trying to merge from a driveway or a side street or whatever?

    I actually bring this up because I had someone LET me in today, and I was struck by just how rare that is. Thanks to you out there, whoever you are!

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • seminole_kevseminole_kev Member Posts: 1,696
    I let one person in...yes I'm selfish. I like to see the one for one. One person letting one person in...creep forward...next person lets one person in. What I don't like is being nice and letting a person in, and the person behind them tries to jam in there too. I'm probably weird for that, but I think it's rude.
  • ghuletghulet Member Posts: 2,564
    ...'all i wanna do is to thank you
    even though i don't know who you are
    you let me change lanes
    while i was driving in my car'...

    Kev, I totally agree. I don't mind letting one person in, but I hate when the line of cars behind assumes they're free to muscle in as well.

    Along the same lines, I can't stand when I'm behind a driver turning left who decides to be 'courteous' and let the exiting driver pull out in front of us (we have no stop sign, I'm moving along until I have to slam on the brakes because the schmo in front of me stops traffic to let traffic with a stop sign pull out in front of me).
  • eharri3eharri3 Member Posts: 640
    People who bully their way into traffic like its the most important thing in the world for them to move out in front of you, but then all they want to do is stop short at the light 10 feet a way and hold you up while they wait to make a left.
  • seminole_kevseminole_kev Member Posts: 1,696
    unfortunately most of the ones I see around here doing that drive SUV's and large trucks. That's like the people who will fly around you in traffic, on a city street, only to cut right back in front of you and turn arghhhhh!
  • tboner1965tboner1965 Member Posts: 647
    Are the ones who want to pass you as you accelerate on to the freeway, change into the accel/decel lane, and then slam on the brakes.

    Guaranteed to happen when there is no one behind you!

    TB
  • kinleykinley Member Posts: 854
  • pat84pat84 Member Posts: 817
    My favorite, there will be a 1/2 mile of clear road behind me and some anal pore will pull out from a side road right in front of me. I'll have to hit the brakes to keep from hitting him as he slowly gets up to the speed limit.
  • kinleykinley Member Posts: 854
    the maniacs want the idiots to get out of their way while the idiots have decided to be content and the maniacs have decided to be frustrated. Attitude and behavior is a choice. Throttle back this coming weekend, saving yourself.
  • tboner1965tboner1965 Member Posts: 647
    when you are an idiot. Idiots don't know any better.

    TB
  • scotianscotian Member Posts: 1,064
    I've heard a lot of angry complaining about the maniacs by the idiots *ahem*. Sure doesn't sound very content to me.
  • pjyoungpjyoung Member Posts: 885
    Well if we all thought that driving is a serious activity requiring our attention in order to ensure our and other's safety, we will pay attention to it.

    The trouble is, a lot of folks don't recognize any difference between the drivers seat in their car and the La-Z-boy in their den. They don't think twice about talking on the phone, enjoying a delcious burger or taco, or playing with the latest in electronic gadgetry (Nav systems, etc.) They've never had an accident in their den, have they? Nevermind that this "den" is on wheels and is crusising down the boulevard at 30,40,50 or 80 miles per hour. They've got the "right" to talk on the phone, they've got the "right" to eat their dinner, and they've got the "right" to use the toys at their disposal. The problem comes for all the OTHER people on the roads - they may be proceeding thru the green light, only to bit hit broadside by someone who's phone rings in the middle of their Big Mac bite and who finds that their priorities have now become:

    1). Answering the phone
    2). Avoid dripping the special sauce on their shirt
    3). Driving the car.

    Rather misplaced, don't you think? Given that, it's flat out mental overload to do little things like turning on the headlights at dusk or when it rains. So, we have laws that allow the innocent victims families to sue the daylights out of these idiots and hopefully teach them that the priorities while driving are:

    1). Drive the car
    2). Drive the car
    3). Drive the car.
  • eharri3eharri3 Member Posts: 640
    IS that they will drive in the way that makes life most convenient and simplest for them, such as by cruising at 55 in the left lane, regardless of how dangerous or annoying they may be to others. In deciding to drive this way, they create the maniacs. If I fall into the classification of maniac then that's fine. I am one, and proud of it, and refuse to let idiots determine my schedule.
  • spudgalspudgal Member Posts: 35
    I was a victim of this one this morning, on my way to work. I call it the "Negative" or "Reverse Merge". I am in the right lane of 2-lane freeway, intending to get off at the next exit. Traffic is coming on the freeway at the on-ramp between me and the exit ramp. I see a big semi with trailer and slow down to leave him enough room to merge in front of me.

    A guy in a brand new Maxima decides that he wants to merge in front of me too, even though there's tons of room behind me. I stood my ground, neither braking nor accelerating, and he almost hit my rear. I couldn't pull into to the left lane because a) there were cars already there and b) I couldn't get around the semi in time to reach my exit.

    I want an APC next. That'll teach them!
  • nippononlynippononly Member Posts: 12,555
    cow-catchers front and rear, and a flamethrower just for good measure!! :-)

    People REALLY have no idea how to merge onto a freeway. My favorites are the people who will just come up the ramp and stop at the end of it with their signal on, as traffic zooms by at 65 mph. Do they really expect someone to stop?? This would be more funny if it was not so dangerous.

    But in general, people do not look at the merge lane as they come onto the freeway, they just go whatever speed they feel like doing, and I guess they figure it should be 100% the responsibility of the person who is already on the freeway to match speeds and let them in or get out of the way, when this should be a joint responsibility of both parties.

    And BTW, I agree with an earlier post: slowing down really will improve your frustration level when you drive - I am living proof - but if you also assume that everyone else out there has no idea what they are doing and thinks they are the only person on the entire road, and drive accordingly, you will improve traffic safety a lot. It is never worth "getting revenge" or "schooling someone" when this might cause an accident. And it is never worth it to insist on your ten feet of asphalt, even if the other person is in the wrong. If you yield to others and compensate for their poor driving, you will be improving your own safety substantially, as well as that of others.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • pdalpsherpdalpsher Member Posts: 136
    I also get irritated at those who don't know how to merge. What really floored me when I moved to VA was the YIELD signs on the on ramps...teaching folks to stop. Merging is a nightmare as there is no concept of equal responsibility in this state.

    I now have an inkling as to why some CA drivers seemed to be so bad at freeways...they were probably imports from other states.
  • verozahlverozahl Member Posts: 574
    ... people love showing off their V6 and V8 engines by blasting onto the expressway. Love it! Only time when my I4 feels wanting.

    Got onto I-696 last weekend at night into a traffic mess in the right lanes... signals on, as usually, working over lane by lane and finally punching the throttle fully after I got into the left lane. A textbook 'Detroit merge'.
  • pat84pat84 Member Posts: 817
    Now you know why I belive that the further West you go, drivers are better. The exception being large cities.
    VA drivers are among the most clueless in the U.S. They can't drive rural roads, they can't drive Interstates
  • daysailerdaysailer Member Posts: 720
    with your assessment of Virginia drivers, I've not seen any improvement in other states (including CA) and have certainly found worse, particularly in the northeast. I'd say that you need to go east to find better drivers, in Europe.
  • eharri3eharri3 Member Posts: 640
    It will make you appreciate the drivers where you live all the more.
  • seminole_kevseminole_kev Member Posts: 1,696
    yeah, but in Florida, we were always complaining about the New York/Jersey drivers that "visited" us for the winter!
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    ...but stupid.

    93N approaching 95 just north of Boston. 2 right hand lanes clogged with traffic heading onto and off the ramps. About 300 yards before the cloverleaf, car in 3rd lane realizes he can't changes lanes to take the exit. He slows down to from about 65 mph to less than 20 mph waiting for an opportunity to change lanes.

    I don't know if he made it.
  • black_tulipblack_tulip Member Posts: 435
    I don't think NJ/NY drivers are all that terrible. They are aggressive, no doubt, but considerate at the same time. If you want truly clueless drivers, try the southern states, i.e. NC/SC/VA.
  • ranaldranald Member Posts: 147
    I'd have to agree that NY/NJ have alot of aggressive, yet competent and on occasion surprisingly considerate drivers. Hey, that's me! :)

    What's dangerous to me about NY/NJ is the sheer number of cars and drivers, their wild variety and very close proximity. You have the kind of driver we agreed on, as well as true sociopaths, 16 year olds without enough experience to realize their own mortality (and their car's limits), self-important asses, cabs, frightened elderly, bewildered out-of-towners, people who *must* be high (it's the only explanation for the way they drive) all sharing the same way-too-small strip of asphalt.

    I can deal with idiots just fine, or sociopaths, or soccer moms (often the same), or frightened (don't make me leave the left lane and have to interact with other drivers) old people... it's the unpredictability that makes me nervous.
  • eharri3eharri3 Member Posts: 640
    I know this has been pounded to death here, but why do people do dangerous things and then look at you like YOU'RE the jerk because you honked your horn and showed your displeasure? It's like "How dare you question me. I have the right to do anything I want." Me, in the rare situation where I make a mistake that inconveniences or annoys someone else Im giving the other guy an apologetic stare, holding my hand up in the universal 'im sorry' gesture, etc... but some people seem to get combative when you show you're not gonna just let them bully you around without responding somehow.

    Was cruising 95 north on Thursday takin my family home after I graduated. Doing 75 in the middle lane not bothering anybody with a clear left lane next to me. So Mr. White Bimmer 740 decides rather than passing me the safe way to come flying up on my right and then barge in between me and the car in the right lane Im closing on with literally about half a foot to spare. I wont even bother to get into the obvious fact that I think only a total retard pulls those types of stunts in a 50 thousand dollar luxury car that would probably cost my truck's book value to be repainted. To top it off, I honk at him and give him a bewildered look and shout at him, so what does he do? Makes an extra effort to get next to me again just to he can give me a dirty look right back as if Im in the wrong.
  • verozahlverozahl Member Posts: 574
    That's not inconsiderate, just stooopid. He's got the 740, why does he want to mess around with a Ford truck? Whatta idiot.
  • pdalpsherpdalpsher Member Posts: 136
    more money than common sense. See it all the time but esp. on I95...gets worse as you get closer to D.C.
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Member Posts: 4,883
    This just on TV...

    "THe Most common reason given for road rage? People driving too slowly in, or blocking the passing lane"

    Keep stirring the pot and enraging everyone else Kinley...

    Bill
  • pdalpsherpdalpsher Member Posts: 136
    fault of the person that loses their temper...oh my just another new set of victims that can't be accountable for their own behavior. Gotta love this victim mentality. Of course this is the opinion of those losing their tempers. Of course they aren't responsible.
  • beachnutbeachnut Member Posts: 291
    We live in a gated-community city (at least that's what I call it). There's two bridges in/out over a river and they're both tolls. One evening last year, my wife is returning home westbound with our two little kiddos. Now, she is one who actually drives the limit and is pretty conservative, as you should be, especially with your pride and joys in the car.

    As she approached the plaza, everyone is jockeying for position. The speed limit is 35, but everyone drives 55+ right up to the gate. It's a real melee at rush hour. She goes on through the plaza and is in the left lane going over the mile-long bridge. Of course, it's bumper-to-bumper all the way. She eventually gets over right so she can make the right-hand turn at the intersection on the other side of the bridge. Well, there's this guy stuck to her bumper all the way (not uncommon). He's very agitated because she's driving the speed limit. She can tell because he's making all sorts of gestures and yelling out the window. She ignores him (the best thing to do?). The intersection where she needs to turn right has a dedicated right turn lane that becomes the far right lane of three on the northbound road. Normally, you can make the turn without stopping, unless the oncoming traffic has the turn arrow to go left, then you *should* stop. This is the case, and she stops. By now, the fellow behind her is so incredibly angry at her stopping, that HE RAMS THE BACK-END OF HER CAR !!!!

    WOW! ... my wife thinks! She looks around to see if the kids are OK. The jerk is now honking his horn wildly and HITS HER AGAIN !!! My wife thinks, "I better get going here or this guy's going to kill us". She makes the turn and gets in the middle lane. The idiot pulls up beside her, rolls his window down, and proceeds to shout every explicative known to mankind while flying his middle fingers.

    Fortunately, my family suffered no harm and the car had only a couple scratches. But probably the worst part of the whole thing was that he had his own two kids in the back seat of his car! What a lovely example he set for the next generation of inconsiderate drivers!
  • kinleykinley Member Posts: 854
    By finding a new and more interesting "bone" to chew on.
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Member Posts: 4,883
    I am very happy. People don't get upset with me on the road as I don't give them a reason to.

    I mean, it would be totally legal to walk into my Temple with a Hitler T-Shirt on (freedom of expression as defined by the Bill of Rights), and totally illegal for me to punch someone for wearing one (Assault/Battery).

    By your definition, the person who punches needs anger management classes and the person wearing the T-Shirt did no wrong.

    Bill
  • verozahlverozahl Member Posts: 574
    Sounds like a great community to me...
  • beachnutbeachnut Member Posts: 291
    it's a very nice place to live, but with more and more folks from Tampa & Miami moving in, the roads are starting to get scary.
  • eharri3eharri3 Member Posts: 640
    Dangerous things, they are, on both sides. When I'm approaching, there are always those last minute lane changers, suddenly jumping from their own lane into mine just because they think it might get them through 5 seconds faster. Or the
    idiots who either don't notice they're in the EZ pass lane until the last minute or don't care and are just trying to jump to the front of the line without having to wait. I'll let one or two in, but then another comes, and another, and another, and all of a sudden the people who did the right thing by waiting patiently in line aren't moving anywhere because self-centered line jumpers who probly did the same thing in the lunch line at highschool keep butting in at the front and going before anyone else. The other day I sat still for about 7-8 minutes maybe 10 feet from the toll booth because the idiot in front of me let about 8-9 line jumpers in front of him with a wave and a smile, and least a couple of them needed directions. So I usually limit it to letting one in and leave it to those behind me to give the rest a break.

    I was approaching a booth at one point slowing down as I approached and some idiot soccermom behind me in her minivan actually accelerated and swerved around very suddenly to pass me at the last minute and go through before me. Wow, heck of alot of time THAT little move saved her. Sometimes I really don't think people even realize how stupid and obnoxious their driving makes them look. Heck, Im sure ive probably looked like this too at some point without realizing it.

    Then on the other side, everybody wants to race and nobody wants anybody else getting in front of them because they think it might delay their getting into the fast lane by a minute or two. Ive had people accelerate from behind me gunning for the same lane and stay right next to me as two lanes become one, refusing to cut me any slack whatsoever. A manual transmission certainly comes in handy.
  • pjyoungpjyoung Member Posts: 885
    Earlier in this discussion, they determined that what you are seeing is "zippering up". I believe the response to people who were peeved by it was "it's your problem if you sat in line so long". IMHO, there's no difference between toll booth lanes and a lane ending due to construction.
  • loncrayloncray Member Posts: 301
    No, that's not zippering, what he's describing is cutting. I see it every time I drive thru Baltimore on I95 - all the people who can't read a road sign line up in the EZPass line at the Fort McHenry Tunnel toll booths (despite all the signs proclaiming it EZPass ONLY) and then try to cut over - meantime, the literate people have already zippered into the various tollbooth lines.
  • beachnutbeachnut Member Posts: 291
    Couldn't have said it better myself, eharri3! I had a guy one night who did that last minute lane change, the only problem was that he hadn't even passed me yet, although he knew I was there. He just decided he was coming over anyway. Since I couldn't swerve left, I had to lock up the brakes in my non-abs car. There was actually smoke rolling into the car from the tires. The 30 feet on skid marks was visible for weeks thereafter.
  • pat84pat84 Member Posts: 817
    Literate drivers, who know their right from left, can plan ahead, and who can zipper in.
    You are definitely expecting way too much of your fellow drivers. You should be happy for any two of the above.
  • dave330idave330i Member Posts: 893
    "Of course this is the opinion of those losing their tempers. Of course they aren't responsible."

    It's tough to maintain one's temper at such obvious sign of stupidity and/or ignorance. :)

    Anyone else notice that many of the maniacs on the road tends to be idiots as well? I guess it doesn't enter into their mind that someone else might want to go faster than them.
  • loncrayloncray Member Posts: 301
    You're probably right! And to think, I was hoping for thoughtful driving on I95 of all places! ;)
    Funny thing though - I see it all the time northbound but almost never southbound - and I have no clue why that is.
  • eharri3eharri3 Member Posts: 640
    So anybody who wants to be patient and wait their turn is a sucker? Im assuming you're just quoting and this is not your personal opinion, but why not just create total chaos then, with everybody just shooting randomly for whatever lane they want. No lines, no divisions, just every man for himself. If everybody thought the same as those people who always want to 'zipper up', there'd be lots more chaos in traffic and probably lots more road rage incidents. It all comes down to some people feeling like their time is more important than anyone else's.

    Also, I picture zippering up as when people can smoothly and efficiently merge with traffic during continuous forward motion. At tool booths you're basically driving like a maniac just so you can come to a stop faster.
  • pjyoungpjyoung Member Posts: 885
    I am loosely quoting. Someone used the term "zippering" when you're on a road where a sign says "lane ends 1 mile", but when the open lane starts to clog up, people who pass in the right until they are only a few yards from the baricades are somehow "zippering" and not cutting, and the opinion seemed to be "too bad you chose the wrong lane". I don't see how that's any different than lane jockeys at a toll booth.
  • eharri3eharri3 Member Posts: 640
    IT's the same because in both cases people who think their time is more important than everyone elses' save themselves a minute or two while keeping the rest of us stuck for much longer. And they basically want to justify it on this board by saying the rest of us are just stupid for not having the nerve to be rude and impatient like they are, but the fact remains that those 'suckers' who wait their turn are the ones who help maintain some semblance of civility on the roads. If butting in line is not acceptable in the supermarket, in the movies, in the bank, or any number of other places where human beings interract, why is it OK when behind the wheel of a car? If someone wanted to walk alongside the line at the atm as you inch forward and then casually slide in front of you when your turn comes would you just write it off as 'zippering' and move aside? What if 3,4,5, or even more people did this for one atm line, and because some fool kept waving them in you literally stood there not moving because nobody behind the spot where the 'zipperers' were merging could move forward even an inch until they stopped cutting in line? Could it be that people dont mind line jumping in traffic because being in a car is nice and anonymous and empowering, and you can be as obnoxious and rude as you want because you know there's no 6'4" musclebound hothead standing there who can physically reach out and grab you by the neck and explain using detailed hand gestures and very concise language why he will not just stand idly by and let you butt in when hes been waiting patiently for a half hour and you just walked in the door? Maybe 'zipperers' are people who want to butt in line in other isntances but never have the nerve to be rude to others until they're protected by 2 tons of steel.

    The two instances are different different because at least in normal zippering traffic is still moving somewhat. In toll booths, Ill be moving forward maybe 5 miles per hours when someone out of nowhere will actually stick their nose in front of my car and barge their way in while we're almost at a standstill. At such low, almost non moving speeds barging in line can cause much more of a backup than zippering when a lane is ending. And it requires actually forcing another car to stop suddenly while you butt in, whereas effective zippering can be done without slowing anyone down. You let 2 line jumpers in and thats maybe 60 seconds saved for them but probably double that amount of time everyone else in line has to sit there and wait for things to start moving again. Everyone else is not stupid for waiting in line. Those individuals are inconsiderate for not doing so.
  • verozahlverozahl Member Posts: 574
    Agree w/eharri. Messing around at toll booths is very, very bad.
  • grbeckgrbeck Member Posts: 2,358
    eharri3: "No lines, no divisions, just every man for himself."

    Isn't that the official motto of drivers in the Philadelphia region?
  • eharri3eharri3 Member Posts: 640
    you forgot a couple.
    'no lines, no divisions, no signals, and no insurance.'
  • verozahlverozahl Member Posts: 574
    Philly's really that bad?
  • grbeckgrbeck Member Posts: 2,358
    eharri3: Yeah, I forgot about the no insurance part! I think about one-third of all drivers in Philadelphia are uninsured. And let's not forget the wonderful Philadelphia traffic court system. About 10 years ago I remember a story in the Inquirer about a Philadelphian who had over $21,000 in outstanding parking and traffic tickets...and he was still driving!

    verozahl: The main artery into Philadelphia is the Schuylkill Expressway. Between the road design and driving habits of residents, it has earned the nickname of the "Sure Kill Expressway." Enough said.

    Actually, I have to wonder if poor road design doesn't play a part the driving habits of Philadelphians (and in other areas, as well). The aforementioned Schuylkill Expressway was outdated the moment they cut the ribbon in the 1950s, and it hasn't been updated significantly since, despite a tremendous increase in traffic volume. The area around the University of Pennsylvania is especially scary. (Nothing like having oncoming cars trying to merge into the PASSING lane, especially when there is NO room for them to get a running start.) And Roosevelt Boulevard - well, let's just say that I avoid it whenever I visit the city!

    And eharri3, hasn't the Route 202 interchange near King of Prussia been under constant construction for a few years now? Every time I visit Philadelphia it seems as though PennDOT is STILL working on it.

    Harrisburg is dull and provincial in a lot of ways, but at least the few gray hairs I'm starting to see were NOT caused by the driving habits of the residents.
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