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  • carlisimocarlisimo Member Posts: 1,280
    I just discovered (this morning) why you might turn your parking lights on!

    Your gauges light up!

    I still say they take the option out of headlight switches.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,347
    Don't forget, when you have the electro guages (like on my Odyssey), the dash always looks like the lights are on. It is real easy to forget to turn them on if their is ambient light (sunset, or in a parking lot).

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • 1racefan1racefan Member Posts: 932
    the parking lights as a fashion symbol thing started? In my area, it seems like this really caught on back in the late 80's and early 90's when guys were cruisin' in their 5.0 Mustangs and Camaros.
  • carlisimocarlisimo Member Posts: 1,280
    is the idea to be lit up like a big rig?
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    the parking lights as a fashion symbol thing started? In my area, it seems like this really caught on back in the late 80's and early 90's

    Might have been the late 50's. Think that early 60's for sure. The 63 Pontiac Grand Prix had large parking lights with clear lens I think with amber bulbs/reflectors. Remember that these lamps (and esp the Grand Prixs) were very cool when they came out.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    It was quite common in the Pittsburgh area where I grew up in the late 50s and into the 60s to see cars all kinds driving around with only parking lights at dusk. I guess it was a local custom -- "save your headlights until you really need them."

    Remember also that the parking lights/front turn signals were white until the 1963 model year, and that it wasn't until the 1968 model year that the parking lights were required to stay on with the headlights (safety feature so you could tell if that one-eyed car heading toward you was a motorcycle or had its left or right headlight burned out.)
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,685
    I see that quite a bit too, and have even done it a few times. My lights turn off with the ignition, so in the event that someone else drives it or I turn them off for some reason, I have been known to forget to turn them on. A patch of darkness or the kindness of a passing motorist usually does the trick to remind me!

    I always give people the benefit of the doubt. If someone has their lights off when they really should (or must) be on and I feel that my safety is/could be threatened, I will always give a quick flash (turn lights off, then on (repeat twice), not brights!). If it is dark, the no-headlighters will usually turn them on, but the parking lighters (1) often times do not or (2) they flash their brights at me and then drop back down to just parking lights. In those situations, I either give them a quick flash of the driving lights (in case the driver did not notice my first signal) or a full shot (to thank the other driver for its lack of consideration), depending on if it was 1 or 2, respectively.

    Admittedly, I sometimes like to drive by winter moonlight on my back roads if it is late at night and the road is deserted. When it is Nov/Dec/Jan/Feb and the sky is clear with a full moon, the light reflecting off the snow is just stunningly serene and it lights up the road far better than headlights ever could. I drop down to the parking lights (for safety, just in case!), slow to about 30 or so, and just enjoy it. If I see any other cars, though, I flip the lights back on until I'm all alone again. :blush: There's good sight distance (~ 1/2 mile) on all these roads, so no chance of "sneaking" up on anyone....
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    While diving down a two lane road here in the burbs doing about 40 MPH in a 35 some idiot in a Lincoln town car was riding my rear end. But what really made me nervous was the fact that a Hummer (you know the 5 ton gas guzzler that has a braking distance that rivals a freight train) was right behind the Lincoln riding his rear end.

    I mean don't those who buy those massive SUV's realize the limitations on those things? This area that I was going through was very wooded and deer do run across this road. It is not a road to follow someone to close.

    I actually had to slow down to give me more distance between me and the guy in front of me just in case. :(

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,685
    Don't you realize though, that by driving that close those other drivers actually were several FEET further ahead on the roadway! REALLY!!! :sick:
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • navigator89navigator89 Member Posts: 1,080
    I've been on the highway several times doing 120kph, and some idiot in a massive SUV comes, flashes his lights and comes dangerously close. People do it in all sorts of cars, but the large SUVs (Expedition, Suburban, Escalade, Yukon) are the scariest. I shudder to imagine what would happen if we had to brake.

    Also, two days ago some idiot driving in a white Mitsubishi Galant cuts off two lanes in a 80kph zone, and narrowly misses another car.....only to be stopped at the traffic signal with us right beside him. Where did you go, Mr. Idrivedangerously? :)
  • carlisimocarlisimo Member Posts: 1,280
    Sometimes police cars cruise at 5mph or so under the speed limit. Usually they're on their communication devices or something, being busy and therefore not driving too fast. I'm fine with that, but the problem is that no one dares to pass them!

    I'm not saying people should pass the cop at the usual 5-10 over. But if the cop's going 30 in a 35, you can still go 35!
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    I remember onetime going down I-355 outside of Chicago when I came on a group of cars doing 55MPH. What had happened was that in front of them was a Forest Preserve Police car. Now of course they have no authority out side the many Forest Preserves scattered throughout the County but no one would pass this car simply because of the lights on top of it.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • dougd7dougd7 Member Posts: 71
    I passed a police officer today. We were going to get a prescription for my daughter and I had the cruise set at 55 as the Charles County (MD) deputies were out in force running radar on RT 301 in southern MD this afternoon. Anyhew, said office was traveling at about 52-53 mph and I calmly passed him while cruising at 55 mph. No one else was willing to pass him until after I did it.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    People here always do that too. I will always pass the cop, and I don't think any of them have even given me a second glance. I think some of them do it to have fun, scare some people...I bet a lot of people we all drive beside on the roads every day are loaded with warrants/have no insurance-license, etc...
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,685
    I bet a lot of people we all drive beside on the roads every day are loaded with warrants/have no insurance-license, etc...

    That's a good point, fin. Heck, just read the police "blotter" every day and you can see how many folks get snagged on this one. "Pulled over for having no front license plate" or something equally mundane, but ended up going to jail for 900# of methamphetamine in the trunk! Talk about irony.....

    The only time I had a police officer give me grief about passing him was last winter on the Parks during a snowstorm. I was driving about 50 and came up on a string of three rigs driving about 35... they were led by a Dodge dually (which probably should have been doing 35 in those conditions). The second vehicle was some '80s RWD sedan, and the third was an AK State Trooper in a Ford Expedition. I never even bothered slowing down, I just approached them, and then starting passing them. But, as I pulled alongside the Trooper, he flipped on his lights (which made it real hard to see in a snowstorm) and pointed behind him (indicating that he would prefer I did not pass?). I slowed up and pulled in behind..... proceeding to be stuck behind them for about 30 miles of 30-35 speeds when I could have been safely driving 20 mph faster and not be sucking kicked up white-out. I finally decided that I was either going to pass them and take my chances with the Trooper or I had to stop. I went ahead and stopped for 20 minutes or so to give me some space and then headed back out. Ironically, by that time the snowfall had become heavy enough that there was about 18 inches on the roadway and I couldn't even go 35! But, I did have the road to myself (within reason) at that point and that made it all the more pleasant. Eventually, the wind started blowing the snow off the road and I was able to pick it back up a bit, but I never did see any of those 3 rigs again. In the end, we made it home safely, and that's what matters the most. :)
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Today I had a 20-ish year old woman in a Civic (dangerous mix) pull out in front of me from a parking lot. She turned left across three lanes and was moving pretty fast, so I figured she wouldn't be a problem. Well, by the time she planted herself in the same lane as me, she had reached for her phone and decided to go 25 in a 40. I had to stay in my lane, as it became a turn only for a turn I had to make, and there was too much traffic beside me to really get around her in time.. I flashed at her a couple times, to no avail, as she was stuck yapping like the idiot she was. Then right before the lane went to turn only, she veered over. Just the car I want to see t-boned by a speeding 18-wheeler.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    I've started testing to see if blowing your horn a large percentage of the time makes it difficult for the dolt driver on the cellphone to hear and will persuade them to clear for traffic.

    I wonder if the person on the other end asks them why there are horns in the background so much of the time.

    It has worked one time so far...

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Maybe an air horn that would shatter the glass of the offending vehicle would do the trick. The problem is rigging one up to only affect the yapping idiot and not my car or others around it.

    I usually only tap my horn to wake up simps dozing off at red lights, or lay on it to prevent idiots from plowing into me.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    while driving outside lane next to the on ramp there is no room for me to move left, but the air horn on the motor home let me know he had the right of way when coming onto the interstate. The lumbering diesel pusher was in the acceleration mode, dragging a horse trailer and onto the outside lane he came. As there was no place for me, towing my boat,I could go, I hoped he would brake while I accelerated, but instead he ended up using a guardrail to help him stop. :)

    Three or more lanes, the inside median lane, is off limits to vehicles over 10k lbs and any vehicle towing anything. While towing the boat at 60 mph, it didn't take long for the same cowboy to go by me using the forbidden lane to overtake the herd. The guard rail did it's damage, but didn't slow him down. :(
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    People like that deserve to have their tires shot out, causing their lumbering selfish-mobiles to go tumbling into a ditch. Maybe when the driver recovers from a few weeks in hospital, he'll tread more lightly. But I doubt it.

    Yesterday on I5 south of Seattle I had the pleasure of driving alongside a couple of airheads in a big jacked up F250. She would wander around, but usually stay within her lane, so it was OK. She would also vary her speed between 50-75, which is always nice. Of course, as I got alongside her as she randomly slowed once again, she wandered into my lane, either through inattention or because of the criminally dangerous handling characteristics of her rig. I laid on my horn for about 20 seconds...she woke up. I shook my head, and her passenger gave me that brain-dead look typical of suburbanites who buy a big truck to go between the normal mall and the outlet mall.
  • chicagodrive1chicagodrive1 Member Posts: 64
    Maybe this is a Chicago suburban phenomenon: Sitting at a red light and you see several cars waiting to make a left in front of you. Once you get green, two or three cars cross into the intersection to make their left turn in front of you (when they obviously have a red signal).

    Usually I don't mind two cars running through, but three is my limit. If I happen to be in "pole position", I'll lurch forward and lay on the horn.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    got into a tangle with a real piece of work the other nite coming home from work. First, he was out on a 4 lane divided main road, with a dedicated right turn lane. As he started to turn into the right exit lane, he said a car suddenly cut from the left-most lane over onto the right shoulder (before it became the right-turn lane) and tried to cut past him! Well, he failed, so he got stuck behind my roommate.

    The road they turned onto is a residential street with a speed limit of around 30 mph, and while it's a wide road, there's parking at the curb. After about a quarter mile though, it becomes a bit more country, with a shoulder on either side. Along here, there are a few houses set way back from the road, in the woods, with driveways that come out onto the shoulder.

    Well, when my roommie gets to where he has to make the left turn onto our street, he said this dude suddenly sped up and tried to pass on the right, on the shoulder, before it was really safe to...and had to slam on his brakes when somone coming out of their driveway nosed out onto the shoulder!

    People speeding through these back streets with limited visibility, and residential streets, have always irritated me. But with the way gas prices are these days, it really bugs me!

    Oh yeah, I've also noticed some other examples of idiocy lately. I'm in the process of having some construction done at my place, having a garage built and a new driveway that the county's making me put in. Before, I just had some old gravel that had been thrown down, and a lot of it was actually grown over with grass. But now that they've cut through it and laid new gravel down, the driveway really stands out. Well, I've had people pull into my driveway, just a little bit, and then BACK out onto the road! My house sits on a blind hill, where people regularly fly over it at 40 mph or more!

    They used to turn around in my neighbor's driveway, who's to the right of me, at the crest of the hill. And here it's just as dangerous as my driveway, but these buffoons will just pull in and back right out onto the road! It's only a matter of time before one of them gets creamed! FWIW, when I pull out of my yard, I usually roll the window down and turn off the radio, because while you can't always see them coming in time, you can always hear 'em!
  • smittynycsmittynyc Member Posts: 289
    I saw literally thousands of inconsiderate drivers today -- just pick any of the single occupant vehicles clogging midtown Manhattan in spite of a gridlock alert issued for the UN General Assembly.

    The fact that these drivers were rewarded with mammoth traffic jams and probably spent six hours' total commuting today doesn't let them off the hook, imo. Their failure to cooperate prevented emergency vehicles and motorcades from reaching their destinations in a timely fashion and wasted millions of gallons of gasoline. Heck, it was a chore to *walk* anywhere today as the intersections and crosswalks were choked with clueless, selfish drivers.

    There are no excuses -- mass transit options abound here. I wouldn't be as dismayed and angered if it weren't for the sheer number of non-cooperators. Is it really that tough to give up the cocoon for a day or two and take a nice, clean, fast, on-time commuter train or similarly appointed express bus? :confuse:
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Better in NYC than anywhere else. Perhaps those UN types should have taken "mass transit" instead of being stuck in gridlock with "the masses."
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Note to dumpy Saturn with Hawaii plates merging onto I5 north of Seattle today - the gas pedal is the one on the right.

    You're on a two lane on-ramp, the kind that lets the slowpokes have their right lane and us speed demons go around. You're on the left beside a 1979 MB 240D, and I'm behind you. You initially take off OK, but by the time you hit 35mph the old diesel snail is dusting you. You hit I5 at all of 45mph, even the old diesel has left you. I flash my lights as I zip around, you keep your head dead straight ahead, oblivious to the world around you. You were so far behind by the next exit, with EVERY vehicle passing you, that I couldn't see you anymore. Get off the road, or someone will remove you.

    And a note to the punk in a beat up old Jetta that floored it on NE 8th when I passed you - you need a valve job bad, you really don't have a right to keep that old deathtrap on the road. My fintail had a broken piston ring and wasn't smoking that badly. Oh, and don't bother speeding up, as you learned, you get ahead for about 1 second.
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    Well it's that time of year again when these little fellows...

    image

    are starting to migrate across the roads here in PA. Not that I'm anti-wooly bear (or wooly worm, or whatever your local name for them might be), but...

    Driving back home this morning, one vehicle about 6 car lengths ahead of me at about 45 mph, no traffic on the two lane road as far as we can see. Out of nowhere, they slam on their brakes and swerve, almost losing control of the car. And as far as I can determine, short of some drug induced flashback, they did it to avoid running over a caterpillar! My heart did NOT need that jump start :sick:
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    How could they see a wooly worm at 45 mph!!!

    Makes me feel bad about my eyesight.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    They're actually very easy to see. That pic is JUST a touch larger than life size. I don't go out of my way to run them down, but neither am I going to run my car off the road to avoid one!
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    we get something similar here, with a big outbreak of those green and black tent caterpillars. They're actually easier to see than you'd think, even at highway speeds! Oh, the other day when I was driving my truck, I accidentally broke up two bumblebees that were doing the nasty in mid-air right in front of me! I'm not gonna kill myself over a bumblebee, but I did at least let off the gas to give them a chance to get out of the way. They still whacked the windshield though, before flying off in their separate ways. I guess they had more important things on their mind so they didn't see me approaching!
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    Speed limit just North of Seattle is 60 so 45 mph entering I 5 is conservative and cautious, but obviously frustrating to an inconsiderate speed demon. :D

    An aggressive attitude behind the wheel of a broken ring on a fintail will be easy to spot in a conversation with the WSP. :)

    Insurance premiums for speed demons are increasing faster than any other class of driver and couple that with DWI - ooowee!
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Well, the slow lane moves at 55-60...so hitting the highway at 45 and failing to accelerate is not just inconsiderate, its dangerous. Everyone in the slow lane was even going around this snail. If you want to go 45 and need to go into Seattle, take highway 99.

    The WSP is good only for speedtrapping and blatantly lying about their patrols. Like in Marysville, where theres a huge new outlet mall complex/casino/WallyWorld etc right off the highway. This causes atrocious backups and crashes quite often, to the point where logically the land developers should have had to contribute an extra lane onto the highway. Then the WSP comes on and lowers the speed limit (not a bad thing - but it was usually hard to hit the limit there anyway due to the traffic) and claims they'll be increasing patrols - but they insist it has nothing to do with crashes! They've been wanting to do it for a long time...right.

    "Insurance premiums for speed demons are increasing faster than any other class of driver"

    Only those who get caught
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    The problem we have around here are geese in the spring. When the little ones are big enough to get out of the nest but cannot fly these geese walk everywhere. Its not unusual to see traffic stopped in both directions as a gaggle of geese slowly walk across the road.

    Strange as it seems you rarely see dead geese on the side of the road.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    Ok I am on my way to work the road is two lanes in each direction and traffic is moving real slow. Well any ways I get to where there is a right turn lane and since I want to turn right I get in it and proceed to make the right turn. Well out of nowhere some lady in the left lane cuts across the right lane and tries to get into the right turn lane. Of course we almost hit each other as she darts across all that traffic.

    Now of course she has the nerve to blow her horn yell at me and make some rude jesters in my direction.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • marsha7marsha7 Member Posts: 3,703
    I wouldn't mind driver's like that if they just waved and thanked me for letting them in, or made a sheepish face saying, "Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off but I had no other choice"...I could deal with that since we all have probably done it...but to take such aggressive action when they are in the wrong, and then to blame me cuz they are an idiot, that annoys me... :mad: :mad: :mad:
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Member Posts: 5,751
    On a similiar note, coming home from work today on a two lane narrow road without shoulders. Going the speed limit, 35 and just rounded a curve to find a driver in a compact car driving centered across the double yellow line in a stream of traffic.

    As my heart stopped, I slammed on the brakes and went as far right as I could without hitting the trees on the side of the road, barely missing this car.

    I didn't get the memo about the new rules of the road that states cars can use the double yellow line as a third lane. :sick
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,685
    Haha.... no, it was one of those new trolley-cars - it uses the double yellow to properly track the course. You should see what happens when they hit a dotted line! The things swerve all over the place looking for the track! ;)

    Glad you were able to come out of it okay.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,685
    Hahah.... yeah. It is on the schedule!

    I am sure I will be posting more than my share after that...... :D
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    "looking for the track"

    Now that's funny. One of the best replies this year. Thank you. :D
  • redmaxxredmaxx Member Posts: 627
    To all the drivers in the Phoenix area who do not know what an on-ramp is for: Speeding UP! Honestly, if you are lucky, people around here will accelerate as fast as they can to 50 and then cruise down the ramp until they meet traffic doing 70+. Then one of two things happen. They floor it and cut someone off in the next lane (usually me :mad: ) or they put on their turn signal and make swipes at the lane while going 50 MPH hoping someone will let them in. FYI: On-ramps here often become exit only lanes for the next road. So on I-10, it is usually 1 HOV lane + 3 general purpose lanes + 1 exit only lane. To continue down I-10 you have to merge into a general purpose lane. Helloooo! People, you need to speed up when getting on a freeway that has a 65MPH limit.

    Next up: We have a short little highway called the 143. It links I-10 to the 202. Going west on the 143 (heading towards I-10) is a awful at rush hour. Traffic backs up from I-10 into the I-10 exit only lane on the 143. People who are trying to get into the exit only lane moving all of 0 MPH will cruise through the next lane over at around 10MPH, slam on the brakes, see they can't fit in, and then floor it to the next open spot. When they do find an open spot, they hog both lanes because they don't seem to understand that they can turn their steering wheel enough to get their car in the lane. See that thing on your dashboard? Circular shaped? Has an emblem of your car's manufacturer? Its called a steering wheel and it turns more than 45 degrees in either direction. USE IT!

    While I'm at it: Same people above in my first rant are usually those who floor it off of a light when they are in front. Whats up with that? Are you trying intentionally to make other people upset?

    Not sure if it fits here: All you so-called adults at ASU, go back to middle school english and learn the definition for "right-of-way". Pedestrians don't have it when they aren't in a crosswalk. Also look up "jaywalking". I'm not just referring to those who cross no where near a crosswalk, but those who can't walk two feet over to the crosswalk. I almost run them over as the lights around campus are hair-trigger. Light turns yellow and students are already crossing as much as 5 feet into my lane as I'm trying to haul my car down from 30MPH. It might throw your day off a litte to move over 5 feet but it would surely ruin it if I ran into you. Oh yes, bikes. I hate it when they are going the opposite direction of traffic in the bike lane. You're going to get run over one of these times, because if I'm pulling out of a side road turning right, I shouldn't have to look for oncoming traffic! :mad:

    There, I feel better. Thanks for listening. :shades:
  • grbeckgrbeck Member Posts: 2,358
    euphonium: Speed limit just North of Seattle is 60 so 45 mph entering I 5 is conservative and cautious, but obviously frustrating to an inconsiderate speed demon.

    If the speed limit on this stretch of road is 60 mph, that means most drivers - at least the sentient ones - are probably travelling at 65 mph, given that most roads have underposted limits.

    Entering a major roadway at 20 mph below the flow of traffic is neither prudent nor safe.

    This is one reason why every vehicle is provided with an accelerator pedal. Good drivers know when to use it.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    It's not the velocity of the traffic flow, but the State's law that determines the speed limit. All other interpretations are the result of anarchy.

    Patience is a virture . The best drivers know when to use it. :)
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    A "law" set by overpaid credential-free cronies may determine a "limit", but it does not determine the ideal speed. The traffic flow indeed determines that.

    Sometimes anarchy is a necessary force

    Responsibility and accountability are even better virtues. If you're driving at a speed that will cause every other vehicle on the road to rear-end you, you either need to speed up or pull over - end of story. A car travelling 20mph under the flow is just as dangerous as one travelling 20mph over the flow, limits can go to hell.
  • carlisimocarlisimo Member Posts: 1,280
    On my way home from work I take an onramp comprising of a 270degree downhill cloverleaf, then a shorter-than-usual straight. As soon as you're on the freeway, it goes uphill a short distance. There are lots of trucks

    Lots of land barges in front of me get on the freeway at 45-50mph. Then they hit the hill and some of them have no trouble speeding up. But some don't care, so you have trucks slowing down, trucks trying to pass, me trying to squeeze in between the trucks...
    Since it's uphill, you can't change lanes and then accelerate if you have a small-engined car. So a slow car ahead of me means I'm stuck in that mess for a brief but harrowing period of time.

    On the rest of my commute, my latest peeve is turning on my signal to pass someone, only to have them change into the lane I'm turning into without signaling, after I've accelerated to 10mph faster than them. It's been happening a lot lately, both on the freeway and city streets... I think they're realizing that I've found an opening in traffic, and they want it too (but they never speed up).

    And then there's the 45mph wide open road with the 30-35mph drivers... (when in this area, 45mph roads usually flow at 10 over).
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,685
    "A car travelling 20mph under the flow is just as dangerous as one travelling 20mph over the flow"

    Indeed. Whenever I have found it necessary to travel a road at speeds more than 15 under the flow, I will illuminate my hazards to warn approaching traffic well ahead of the need to brake for me (or rear end me). Also, if on the Parks Highway (two-lane 65mph road that is the only direct connection between Fairbanks and Anchorage) and traveling slowly, I will keep my load out of the way of other drivers so as to minimize the inconvenience presented to them.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    I didn't get the memo about the new rules of the road that states cars can use the double yellow line as a third lane.

    Sure but it has to be a real tiny car.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    "If you're driving at a speed that will cause every other vehicle on the road to rear-end you," Not true.

    All the other vehicles have drivers who are to prevent their vehicles from rear ending you.

    Slower drivers do not trigger or cause other vehicles to rear end them. It's the following driver's negligence in not keeping his car under control that causes the crash.

    Your logic would make trailer parks responsible for hurricanes. :D
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Yeah I do not think some of those who post about "mandatory" faster speeds have had too much time behind what I call "elephant" races : where a n ever so slightly faster moving truck tries to pass an ever so "slower" moving truck and winds up taking up to 5 mins to pass. :(:)

    Or somehow when a road cop shows up and everyone is trying to beat everybody else to below the speed limit. :(:)
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    So a driver going slower than EVERY other vehicle on the road has no responsibility for the results of his selfishness or ineptitude? Not true

    Drivers going slower than the flow cause lane changes and distractions, which lead to crashes. Not to mention road rage, which is judged by idiots to soley be the fault of the annoyed party. These snails are no less guilty than those weaving in and out of traffic at 20mph faster than the flow.

    The "rear ending" part was more hyperbole...but the idea is the same. Overly slow drivers are as problematic as overly fast ones.
  • grbeckgrbeck Member Posts: 2,358
    euphonium: It's not the velocity of the traffic flow, but the State's law that determines the speed limit.

    Well, for those whose depth of knowledge about driving consists of reading two numbers on a sign, that may be true. Other drivers - at least those who tend to be more experienced - realize that traffic flow is not to be ignored.

    Apparently the Pennsylvania State Police aren't in on the program. I've passed them at 75 mph on roads posted 65 mph. Didn't get stopped...and neither did the other drivers around me.

    euphonium: All other interpretations are the result of anarchy.

    Add "In my opinion" to the beginning of that sentence, and it will be accurate.

    euphonium: Patience is a virture . The best drivers know when to use it.

    Entering a major artery at 20 mph slower than the flow of traffic is not a sign of patience. It's foolish at best, and stupid at worst. The display of either of those traits behind the wheel is not a virtue.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    ..."So a driver going slower than EVERY other vehicle on the road has no responsibility for the results of his selfishness or ineptitude? Not true"...

    Actually your statement is "not true", even though I might even personally agree in some cases. My personal opinion aside, while there are some exceptions (i.e., unsafe lane changing, weaving etc) the overwhelming majority of those DOING the rear ending are found AT FAULT. There is plenty of precedent and case law and cases behind this observation.

    "We" have an almost epidemic misunderstanding of: Keep Right Except To Pass, Slow Traffic Keep Rght, even the TEXAS dictum that I have seen on Interstate 10 E (and W also) left lane is for passing only, so how do you think the system can overcome something as complicated as a slower driver?
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