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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    You should hang around NW WA a while, and see the Canadian trucks on I5. Some of them go 80 easily, and not much lane discipline. Now and then the WSP will bust them, but 95% of the time the donut shop is just a nicer place to be.
  • davidkeith37davidkeith37 Member Posts: 30
    Thout shalt use your 3,250 lb vehicle with its 138 hp with 4 wheels to stay the hell out of the way of a semi of 80,000 lbs, 350hp and 18 wheels. From the tenor of posts here, not often done but would seem to be a high order of common sense.
  • whahappanwhahappan Member Posts: 69
    Just to clarify: I was doing about 72, all three trucks are doing about 60ish in the right lane, then as I approach from behind the last truck in line ( the first one I am about to overtake) pulls out into the left lane in front of me. Not sure if it makes any difference, just wanted us all to be on the same page.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    I had the state patrol numbers in my other cell phone when I was making more regular drives along the interstate. Truckers deserve attention. Occasionally a patrol car is in the area and watches for tips called in.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    Traffic cops are worthless...we all know that. I have yet to see any consistent information to prove otherwise.
    It's not my job to keep the 80,000 pound jerks off my rear bumper...it's their job to keep off it. And the more I read these posts the more I think I will resort to my old once-used method of dropping my speed when one gets on my bumper. An 80,000 pound vehicle doing 75 miles an hour, five feet off my bumper is much more dangerous than one doing 50. If he won't increase his following distance then I'll just have to decrease my speed to bring it closer to a safe distance. It's not nearly as dangerous as what he's already doing.
  • bottgersbottgers Member Posts: 2,030
    .....what I'm thinking about doing. Using a fuel pump, a windshield washer fluid tank, and a nozzle, I'm thinking about rigging up a device that sprays vegetable oil from underneath my rear bumper onto tailgating vehicle's windshields. This would make them back off in a hurry. It also wouldn't blind them, but it would certainly blur it pretty badly. I bet this would make them back off!
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    Use your cellphone to call the numbers that are on the trailers. Take note of the tractor number on a notepad, get the trailer number, and the 800 number to call for jobs or for bad driving on the trailer.

    If there's no number take the company name, yahoo yellow page it when you get home. Call ask for the safety director or manager/owner. Calmly describe your driving and their driving.

    If you're in a state that has idiot speeds for trucks above 55, call you state legislators and ask why they are doing this to their citizens.

    You can be a PITA with many of the truckers. I often point out that many change lanes at the ramp I often use onto I-70 to help merging uphill, often not needed because I floor the gas pedal when necessary. But I don't want to be another statistic of an 80000 pound, or higher, vehicle.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    but...but...using a cellphone in traffic is dangerous
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    If you are referring to me, I understood you the first time you posted it. Or should I say it another way, you were very clear.
  • ub2ub2 Member Posts: 17
    You don't own a gun do you?
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    ...when you see idiot behavior on the road.

    I DO stay out of their way; what gets me is, as I said, when they run up to your bumper when you're cruising at 65-70 mph in the far right lane.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    ...when you see idiot behavior on the road. My wife is always with me on long trips, so the passenger can always make the call.

    In fact, we called the police (*77) for some idiot young clowns who passed us at 100 mph or more in a convoy of 3 sporty coupes on a 55 mph non-interstate in MD. I didn't know whether to laugh, cry, or get angry when the cop asked if the drivers were black or white!!! (Like we could even see the drivers, and are they really allowed to ask about race?)

    I DO stay out of truckers' way; what gets me is, as I said, when they run up to your bumper when you're cruising at 65-70 mph in the far right lane.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    It is imperative to have as much information about the adverse drivers as possible when communicating with law enforcement. Why not ask about their Race when it helps to identify the "idiot young clowns". No colored person should be imune to helpful identification. PC Movement has gone too far today.

    When a semi driver is to be corrected, I usually have a passenger write down the plate numbers, trailer number, and any other I.D. including the time and place.

    Then I talk to the driver over the CB and if he is a jerk, he is advised that he will be stopped & checked for outstanding warrants. That threat usually works for me. :D
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    Forget PC and all, I still thought it was amazing. Why didn't they ask about the make/model/color of the cars, which I didn't get a good idea of either, because they were going so fast.
  • davv62davv62 Member Posts: 76
    Why shouldn't they ask about race? Race is a central part of description, and a good description makes a person easier to find. To think they shouldn't be able to even ask about race is political correctness taken to an absurd degree. It would only be wrong if they intended to act differently depending upon the race.

    Two burglars who happened to be black came to break into my house last week, and when I called the police, you better believe I identifed them by race. To do otherwise would be absurd.

    I find it absolutely amazing that anybody would even thinks that a police officer shouldn't be allowed to ask for what amounts to a good description of a criminal because of race. This shows that what I have been saying about the destructive nature of political correctness is even more true than I thought it was. Scary, very scary.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Member Posts: 5,751
    "This shows that what I have been saying about the destructive nature of political correctness is even more true than I thought it was. Scary, very scary."

    Right you are.

    There is a huge difference between being fair-minded and "politically correct". I am not politically correct and don't intend to be. I happen to notice there are differences between people. Sheesh.
  • davv62davv62 Member Posts: 76
    Political correctness is a horrible, horrible cancer.

    I just can't believe that some people would expect the police to go around looking for criminals without knowing their race. The absolute idiocy of that is almost beyond comprehension.

    Frankly, if I reported a crime and the police officer didn't ask the person's race, it would be clear to me that the police had no intention of even trying to catch the criminals.

    I agree that in the case described, it can be difficult to see the driver, and a description of the car is probably more important. But asking for a description of the driver, including race, should be SOP for any police organization. If it isn't, that means that they place pleasing the evil gods of political correctness above catching criminals.
  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    Whatever happened to plain old courtesy? I was in the Air Force for 20 years and had friends of many different races...was married to a Japanese lady for eight years...once you know someone person-to-person you don't think about race. All this PC crap only drives people further apart. Just be freakin' courteous and stop getting all up in yours if someone uses an improper term for the color of your skin! You'll meet a lot of neat people!
    I remember about 15 years ago, the Japanese prime minister made a remark that the U.S. would not be as successful because of all the minorities. There was a world of criticism but of course...he was Japanese. We couldn't, and shouldn't do harm to him. He just spoke his mind. But now I'm seeing why he may have said that. All this PC and afirmative action only succeeds in promoting the less qualified people...not necessarily the worst, and perhaps, in the long run, they may end up being a better choice, but you want your smartest people to go to your colleges to get your smartest scientist, teachers, lawyers, whatever. I think we need to hit racism hard, but don't create our own brand of it and give it another name, like Afirmative Action.

    If a cop has the race of the driver, then that's just one more piece of information that will help him/her track down the person.
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    Let's stick to the automotive in nature here. We're not here to discuss political correctness.

    Back to the point... what is it that some folks don't seem to understand when they pull off to the side of the road? Yesterday, I come around a bend on a two lane with almost no shoulder on the road, and have to swerve to go around a guy walking towards me and a van that's parked on the side with two wheels on the road surface, no flashers. And what was he doing?? :)

    He had a plastic bag and was going bag to pick up a squirrel that had met its maker (or more likely a Honda) lying in the middle of the road.

    Mmmmmm... roadkill stew! :surprise:
  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    This is a little different from most complaints here. Has anyone met someone on the road who is so polite they don't go when they're supposed to? They wave you on when you are expecting them to go and it just rocks your perspective. It's actually annoying and I think a little dangerous. I appreciate people trying to be polite but rules of the road are there also to keep order.
    I get this a lot of my bicycle too, and I admit it's better than beligerence, but I follow the rules of the road just as a car would (except I stay far right) and sometimes I'm locked into my pedals waiting for a car to go when they clearly have the right of way. They look at me a few seconds...I'm waiting for them to exercise their right to cross the intersection, so I motion them that it's their turn, they motion me back...and I want to yell,"It's your turn! Go!" Excessive courtesy can have the same affect as indecision. It can be dangerous.

    How's that for a reversal? Seems nothing makes me happy!
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    I think you guys got so wrapped up in the PC thing about the cop asking if the high flyers were black or white that you missed the point.

    Here we were, my wife and I, in a relative lull on our 4th of July weekend trip to the beach. Going 55 in a 55, with two motorcyclists (!) behind us, keeping pace for about 10 miles or so. Nice scenery, pleasant weather.

    Then out of nowhere these 3 hotshots come. Luckily they were cruising along (at 100+) in the left lane. They went by so fast that it hardly registered what kind of cars they were. I don't know if the occupants were black, white, purple, or green. I didn't know if anyone (other than the drivers) were even in the cars. I only assume they were young because of the type of cars - all sporty coupes, I think a Mustang, Integra, and something else. IIRC my wife was reading a book at the time, so she just saw them as blur.

    So for the cops to ask us if the occupants were black or white struck me as ridiculous.
  • davv62davv62 Member Posts: 76
    If a car goes flying by me, I usually can't tell what the person inside looks like. I need to pull up next to the car and look in in order to tell. Still, asking for a full description is standard operating procedure for the police, and should be, in my opinion. Better to ask the question, and not be able to get an answer, than not ask it at all.

    I'm a pretty fast driver, probably in the top 15 percentile. But every once in a while, I see some maniac, or group of maniacs, whizzing by me at a very unsafe speed. I think there are some people who show a total disregard for their own safety and more importantly the safety of others.

    That's why I favor higher speed limits, so as not to criminalize most drivers, who drive safe but illegal speeds, with severe punishment for those who break those higher speed limits.

    I've said before though, except for a relatively small number of maniacs who drive at ridiculous speeds, I find slow, inattentive drivers to be a greater menace than a competent, fast driver who is paying attention to the road.
  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    About Motorhomes... I've rented motorhomes in the last two years. The first was a C-class, 31 feet, one slide, V-10 gas. Very easy to maneuver as long as you watch your height. The second rental was this summer, a class-A 38 ft. diesel pusher, 3 slides. The larger unit was just as easy to drive and again, I had to be aware of the height and width. The rear engine on the diesel unit makes it nice and quiet up front.

    On my 2,000 miles three state trip I almost always stayed in the far right lane. If the interstate/freeway had 3 or 4 lanes (same direction) I would occasionally use the #2 lane. When traffic is heavy, sometime using the #2 lane is better. I saw a lot of semi's doing this. The fact is, there is a very high percentage of people who DO NOT know how to merge. Even if you slow down for them, they just won't take the opening.

    (Switching gears)

    Inconsiderate driver..... I was driving up to "T" shaped intersection with a traffic light. Ahead of me I see a new Mercedes C-class getting ready to run the red light making a left turn. Then they suddenly brake, put the car in reverse to back up. Apparently, they thought it was a three-way with a stop sign.

    As I pull up behind the Mercedes waiting for the light to turn green, I see that the little car still has the reverse lights on. I have seen this happen on several occasions; the driver forgets to put the car in drive. I could see that the driver and passenger were about 65ish in age and I could just see the lady driver punching the gas backing right into my Mercedes ML500. So, I back up a couple of feet to give her a little extra room.

    The light changes and sure enough starts to back up and then slams on the brakes. She puts the lil' C-class in drive and off she goes. People just don't think sometimes.

    Mark
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    Many, many people are using handicapped parking stickers to park when they are not handicapped. In our state there seems to be no way of checking t he validity of the hangers for the inside mirror. I watched a healthy 20 year-old park her older Saturn in t he closest handicapped space at Wally World and get her 3-4 year-old out and trot into the store. The others who need handicapped stickers don't have the spaces available. There seems to be a smaller ratio at this store of handicapped spaces.

    Obviously police have no interest in watching and checking who gets into a car with a handicapped hanger. They can barely give out their quote of speeding tickets in most municipalities.

    Any solution? Picture of handicapped person for whom the tag was authorized on the tag. If the person getting out of the car doesn't match the tag picture... call the ??? store manager?

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Actually any number of abled body folks can and do travel with someone who is so called "handicapped" The truth is even if a handicapped individual travels with a non handicap sticker and parks in a "handicapped" space that "persons" car is subject to tickets/fines and towing.

    In the state of CA (I really don't know the regulations for others) an abled body person of opposite sex can go into the opposite genders public restrooms.
  • davv62davv62 Member Posts: 76
    This thread has been going since February 2002. That must set some kind of record for longevity. It just proves that the topic of inconsiderate drivers never loses its revelance, and never gets exhausted of new topics.
  • pewteraltypewteralty Member Posts: 3
    To see people parking in handicapped parking that are healthy is so wrong. What kind of people do that??
  • whahappanwhahappan Member Posts: 69
    Is it just me or have pedestrians in shopping centers gotten more selfish? (You see, they are walking to their cars, hence the title.) They walk extremely slowly, seemingly on purpose, angling across to take as much time as possible. When I'm crossing the lane from the store to the parking lot, I jog, then keep to the side so anyone driving isn't held up. I see groups of people all the time clogging up the whole driving lane, as if it never occurred to them there might be someone looking for a parking spot. I bet they drive in the same selfish, oblivious manner.
    Then, to top it all off, the other day, I see three shopping carts left right in a parking space directly across from a cart return area. It was a warm day with no rain, so extreme laziness was the only reason for leaving the carts there.
    Ok, got that off my chest. :P
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    The light changes and sure enough starts to back up and then slams on the brakes.

    T least she knew what was happening in time.

    I one time was stopped behind someone at a light when all of a sudden I noticed I was getting closer to the car in front of me. I pressed on the brake pedal harder and I still was getting closer, I am practically standing on my brake pad when I noticed that I wasn't moving but she was backing up. Seems like she thought she put the car in park but just put it in neutral and rolled back into me. At first she thought I had hit her, but fortunately for me there was a witness who stated that she rolled back. :(

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    In the last couple of years of my dads life he had handicap plates. One time when I was visiting him I used his car to go to the store to pick up some stuff. I found the closest non-handicapped spot which was right next to the handicapped spots. Some little old lady saw me, an able body person, with these plates get out and she started to let into me for using handicap privilidges. I didn't even park in a handicapped spot, just next to it but she still gave me what for. I guess some people will think they see something wrong even if there really isn't.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    A group around here had little slips of paper about parking in handicapped spots without the necessary mirror hanger or license plate. They put them on cars they found parked and had gotten some newspaper publicity.

    I parked at a restaurant next to a row of handicapped spots. I came out to find a little slip of paper admonishing me about parking in handicapped spots. They didn't give any number of address to let them know they were wrong, I wasn't in a handicapped spot. This was at a time they didn't all have signs on pole, some just had painted pavement to mark them. I was burning.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    Many seem to have a common link. It might appear they've had a relative with the handicap tag or hanger and just use it all the time for themselves, or maybe the relative has died so they keep it. I've even seen teenagers using the tags.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,345
    remember, jsut because someone doesn't "look" disabled doesn't mean they aren't deserving of the tags. Some people have heart or pulmonary disease that prevents them from walking long distances.

    Of course, most of the teenagers and others that show no symptoms probably are stealing use of the tags, but don't always judge a book by it's cover.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    I got em. I'm 6'6' 200-220lbs. Look healthy as an ox. I have renal failure though. I park in handicap zones if there are several spaces available. I've had a few people say something to me. I just blow em off. It's none of their business.
  • grbeckgrbeck Member Posts: 2,358
    I work in a legislator's office in the Pennsylvania General Assembly...last year a constituent called in to complain about PennDOT's denial of her request for a handicapped parking tag.

    Seems she felt that she should have one because of her mental condition, which could be aggravated by too much stress. Or something like that...she babbled on for about 15 minutes just describing her condition.

    Anyway, when she went to the local shopping center, she couldn't find a parking place close to the entrance, which caused stress, which in turn aggravated her mental condition. She wanted our office to contact PennDOT and demand a handicapped parking tag for her, even though she didn't have a note from a medical doctor. And, yes, she was completely serious...
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    You all should deny her a license due to driving WITH a mental condition. :( If she gets into her "mental" condition; that might adversely affect her ability to drive due to making poor driving decisions behind the wheel..
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    Things are not always as they seem with regard to handicapped parking spots, so let's drop this and get back to inconsiderate drivers. I'm going to take down the posts that started to get a bit more heated than we need to be here.
  • redmaxxredmaxx Member Posts: 627
    On a one mile stretch of road this morning, I saw four accidents in a row. One was pretty bad, involving what looked like about 4 or 5 cars and one was crumpled really badly with its airbags deployed. What I don't get is, how do people manage to do that? 4 in a row in 1 mile...that has got to be some kind of record.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    The ones that really make me wonder how do "people manage to do that" are where loved one survivers put up those white crosses where a fatality/s have occured. The positions of the crosses ( almost 99.99/100) make no logic sense, such as: near a busy intersection, hit an overpass embuttment and rolled over to the road below, etc. The ones I have seen have been clear, straight, almost no impediment. etc.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,345
    I notice the same thing. Many are in unlikely places. I always wondered if some were people trying to cross the highway on foot that got smacked! Either that, or a lot of drive off road into a tree, or getting clipped standing by a disabled car.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,681
    I find slow, inattentive drivers to be a greater menace than a competent, fast driver who is paying attention to the road.

    I think one can safely remove "slow" and "fast" from this exerpt and have a statement worthy of stone. ;)
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    I have been working the waiting line for a local haunted cave... I can verify there is a large number of people who are impaired who are driving to and from there. I understand better how these accidents happen. There is a large amount of alcohol involved and perhaps some other intoxicants or whatever...

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,681
    Haahaha.... wait until you are in an area where it IS cold.... sheesh. I regularly push 3-4 carts out of my way while parking. Talk about "urban jungle"..... where's a machete when you need one? :P

    I find your first point interesting/frustrating as well. One one side there are the peds that take the "pedestrian right-of-way" rule in parking lots a *bit* too far and on the other side are the drivers that feel obliged to drive 15-20+ across the front access lane of the lot (between building and lot) and will all but run over you if you cross paths.

    Other than inconsideration, the problem here is with design... parking lots are designed to create conflict between drivers and pedestrians. A more practical design for lots would be to have the driving lane on the "rear" of the lot, walking paths between the rows of parked cars, connect every other row with a "loop" connection (so if you were looking for a spot, you could drive up and down the rows without having to turn around) and a small "drop off" area along one side of the building for those who just cannot park and walk. This would only work, of course, if there was room (so only for large stores and malls) because it would take up a little more space than traditional lots, but those are the busy areas where the conflicts tend to arise most frequently.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Well for sure the NHTSA year to year statistics show that alchohol is involved in fully 40% of the fatalities and accidents. It would be tragic enough if only the alchohol users/abusers were the only ones who got hurt or killed. However a lot of folks who were not using or abusing alchohol are the innocent victims of those that do.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    What I'm saying is that there are a lot of groups out on Friday and Saturday night with impairment. That's where some of those deaths with white crosses on the roads come from. There are more than I thought out that are impaired. Innocent victims are the sadest part. There's no one today that doesn't know that drinking and driving don't go together.

    Back to the main topic.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • loncrayloncray Member Posts: 301
    My own personal rules are - if there's a left lane and a right lane, I'm either in the right lane or the fastest person in that area in the left lane - so I don't get tailgated very often. Usually, a brake check from my very large pickup truck is enough to make the rare ones back off. One time long ago, in my pizza delivery days when I still had an Acura Integra, I remember being aggressively tailgated by somebody at night on a very twisty country road. I was already 10 mph over the limit and it just wasn't safe to go any faster. So, I pulled out the spotlight I used to read addresses when delivering pizza and spotlit my follower. I wasn't trying to blind him or anything, but it DID make him back off. I miss that spotlight sometimes!
  • ctalkctalk Member Posts: 646
    Yesturday a BMW M3 was tailgating me extremely close. He was not even a car length away from me, he was closer!

    The left lane was open for him to overtake, but he didn't. He followed me the whole way down (I was driving about 12mph over the speed limit) I ended up changing lanes because I didn't want to get rear ended. When he finally overtook me, he tailgated the person in front of me.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,681
    Maybe it was his way of dealing with the rising gas prices...... ;)
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • prosaprosa Member Posts: 280
    I'm looking for a new car and not surprisingly want one that's as safe as possible for under $25,000 or so. The Subaru Forester seems to fit my needs, I test drove one yesterday and very definitely liked it, but at 3,200 pounds I have some doubts about its crashworthiness even though it did very well on the NHTSA and IIHS crash tests. I figure that the heaviest possible vehicle will be the safest. Midsize SUV's such as the Explorer or Pathfinder would be safer, but they're out of my price range. While I probably could get a safe mid-size or even full-size pickup without going over my limit, they're not the sort of vehicles that I require. Any suggestions?
  • stmssstmss Member Posts: 206
    Freestyle.
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