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  • nine51nine51 Member Posts: 77
    Found this on the web about 6 months ago, trie dit and stuc with it. It works great.

    A method of adjusting outside mirrors that is becoming increasingly popular positions each mirror so that the driver does not view the side of the vehicle. This position allows a trailing vehicle to be observed immediately after its view is lost from the inside center rear-view mirror; assuming that this center mirror is properly adjusted.

    To adjust the side-view mirrors properly, one moves slightly to the left and right of normal driving position, and adjusts the mirrors to just view the side of the vehicle. This can be accomplished by placing your head on the driver's window while adjusting the left side mirror, and by sitting in the center of the vehicle while adjusting the right side mirror.

    Always remember that to be 100% certain there is not a car in your blind spot - LOOK - when preparing to change lanes.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    You know, I don't think I'd like to meet you on the road. I thought you were a pretty nice guy with a neat old Mercedes...but your more recent posts show an aggressive streak. Youth, perhaps, and a newer C43?

    I pretty much drive the speed limit in the far right lane (although I've long since given up on 55 on interstates) and I have NEVER been brake checked by anyone in my 37 years of driving for being "obstructionist." Not once.

    I, OTOH, have brake-checked others when they were riding my rear. This was in my younger days. But I almost always just "flashed" the brake lights using my left foot without actually slowing down.

    I remember one time about 25 years ago doing this on a Louisville freeway when an old gent was glued to my rear with the passing lane wide open and no interchange in sight. I was driving my wife's '75 Corolla at the time, which made a very audible "click" when pedal was pushed just enough to make the brake lights came on. I "clicked" the pedal 4 times rapidly, and sure enough he came around, cussing up a storm at me! But my windows were closed, so I couldn't hear a thing. :P

    Needless to say, I don't do this anymore. On multilane roads, I just wait for them to go around, which eventually they do. On 2-lane roads, I give people encouragement, if necessary, by pulling to the right side of the lane and slowing slightly in a legal passing zone. I'll even go so far as to wave them around with my arm if I have to. For some reason, women much more so than men seem reluctant to pass on 2-lane roads.

    The most serious brake check I got was when some idiot pulled the "thread the needle" effect on me: He couldn't wait for a car approaching me from behind in the left lane to pass me (I was in the right lane), but zoomed up on my rear in and then zipped left into the shrinking space between me and the other car to get around me. I flashed my high beams at him when he got in front of me (this was in the pre-dawn in December) and he suddenly braked to a near-complete stop. I managed to avoid rear-ending him, but boy was I MAD! :mad:

    I had recognized this guy's license plate and realized I'd seen him driving like a bozo many times before. Sorta like the obnoxious cabby I once yelled at from my office window for blowing his horn once too often. This was years ago also....
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    The safe driver is in the right hand lane enjoying the trip.
    Would you rather he/she drink a cold brew?

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    And you reported him to the local police agency as a repeated aggressive driver and speeder I hope.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    I can't resist :P

    Driver B gets the last widget that was in stock, or closes the deal with the client first, or gets the better parking spot at WallyWorld, etc... all of which may be worth WAY more than the cost of the extra gas he uses.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I've never actually brake checked anyone. Well, a few times when at a red light and I move my foot off the brake for a second, and the car behind me moves up right on my bumper...I will move forward a little again and then stomp on the brakes, or put it in reverse to scare them with my backup lights. But I've never brake checked anyone in moving traffic. When I've passed people and they've sped up, now and then I'll let off the gas once I get around them, but never hitting the brakes. But in the C43...I just go around. I can go around just about everything, and dust them soundly.

    But that doesn't mean others wouldn't brake check. And to some dawdler cradling a cup of coffee that he's attending to more than his driving...I can't say it isn't deserved.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    No, unfortunately I got too hot-headed to think of that. Plus the police in my experience don't really seem to give a hoot since they didn't witness it. You know, "he said, she said."
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    If you're a safe driver, you're not attending to any drink

    I don't eat or drink in any of my cars
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    Fintail
    The driver is in the right hand lane with the trucks whose speed limit is 55.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    They will patrol more on the road when they get calls with information. The detective in th e next township called me back after I reported a young driver who had run the car onto the shoulder ahead of me because the young driver was passing another car. He caught the same kid greatly exceding the speed limit one day later. He called to let me know. I'd even given the policeman the plate number of the original Riviera classic the kid had run off onto the grass. I bet the driver of that classis was fit to be ties--his nice old car almost crunched!

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,681
    To answer that honestly..... ? YES!!!!

    I took an 11.5K mile trip from Alaska to Oregon to Pennsylvania and back to Alaska in 1999 driving my '69 Chevy C20. I got about 11.5 mpg, averaged over the whole trip driving 60-65 at all times, depending slightly on what type of road I was navigating. At 75, the mpg would have been more like 9 or 9.5. Over 11.5K miles, that is a lot of gallons. No thanks, I'll enjoy the scenery and take my own sweet time..... :D

    No deals to close, no WallyWorld. Just had to be at x place at y time. 55 probably could have delivered me there, but I wouldn't have had a whole lot of time to rest and mpg differential between 65 and 55 was only .5-.7 mpg versus around 2 from 65 to 75.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • ub2ub2 Member Posts: 17
    Now I know why your called [pf_flyer]...lol. Seriously, how much would a gallon of gas cost before you would drive at 55 or 60 mph? It dose not matter what you drive, you get more mpg at 55mph than at 75 and 80. Really, how much would a gallon cost before you would consider driving at the lower speed.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,681
    or put it in reverse to scare them with my backup lights.

    I've never quite figured this one out. Why would someone do this to "scare" another driver? I can just see the police officer scratching his head.. "and why were you backing in an intersection?" "Well officer, I felt that the driver behind me was too close and wanted to scare him." "Uhuh, well here's your ticket for improper backing."

    I was riding in my father's motorhome many years ago driving through the Portland, OR area and a little compact car did this at multiple intersections to us. I think he felt we were too close because all he saw was this monster grille behind him, but shoot, we gave him far more room than any passenger car would have. Two vehicles could have parallel parked between us. Finally, on the 5th or 6th time, my father decided he'd had enough. The light turned green, the guy backs up. We drove forward. We gently connected him to our bumper and helped him along the street almost all the way across the intersection before he managed to get his act together and pull away. I wouldn't have wanted that repair bill to the drive train, but I doubt he ever pulled that nonsense again.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • redmaxxredmaxx Member Posts: 627
    Now that is taking it too far, causing damage to someone else's car. If there was all that room, why didn't he pass?
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,681
    Can't say... I wasn't driving. I was surprised as well, but there was no visible damage. I guess he just figured it was time for that fella to get his head out of his [non-permissible content removed]. There really wasn't a lot of room for a motorhome pulling a car to change lanes on that road, though I'm sure he could have managed it. The traffic was fairly heavy (by country boy standards), though probably par for the course for those living it day by day.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Oh I didn't back up, I just did it to alert the brain donor behind me. They stop creeping forward when you do that. If any cops have any problems with it, they can feel free to tell me about it in person.
  • user777user777 Member Posts: 3,341
    stupidity and driving doesn't mix.

    that said, add the firearm element and someone could very well end up dead.

    why would anyone go to these extremes to "make a point"?

    it doesn't matter what size of vehicle you are driving.

    better to back off and let some crazy bother someone else. there won't be a cop there to defend you when the crazy pops out of the car and starts popping off some rounds at your vehicle. you're one sitting duck.

    at that point, "being in the right" means nothing. nada. zip. zero. possibly flatline brain and heart activity. weren't you so smart?

    not.
  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    GPS could be wrong too...gotta put faith in something
  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    Those radar things always show me wayyyy slower than I'm going. My speedometer couldn't be THAT far off. They test those things in the car magazines and I think they'd mention it if it was that far off.
    I'd use the mileposts but I'd use them to test my odometer. Then I wouldn't have to maintain a constant speed and I assume my odometer and speedometer would be part of the same system.
  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    I drink Mt. Dew. It's cold.
  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    The only place I've ever seen speedling pay off consistently is on a long, multi-hour trip on an interstate, and even then you need to respect those who want to stay out of trouble and do the right thing. I used to drive 13-14 hours straight from Virginia to Indiana and adjust my speed depending on how much time I had 'til dark. A 9mph difference could get me there 1 1/2 hours faster, which was worth the extra gas sometimes.
    If I got an early start, I drove slow. If I got a late start I'd keep it around 9 over so I'd get as far as possible before the sun went down. But now I never drive that fast because I have my precious dog with me. Either way, it's between you and the law if you speed but don't endanger others and don't be a bully and try to force others into your bad habbit.
  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    You can drive with one hand and both feet and still drink coffee, or just a foot and a hand. It's not a very intense activity.
  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    Driver B sounds like an ulcer waiting to happen. I'd rather be the relaxed dude with the coffee. Longer life expectancy and less chance of heart attack. With all that testosterone he probably has more hair on his back than on his head.
    WallyWorld doesn't exist, by the way...
  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    I'm trying to figure this out...you are disturbed by people tailgating at a full stop? I don't think there is a proper following distance when a car isn't moving. I'm more concerned about brake checks and tailgating for moving cars. If that's all anyone does...that is, stop too close to your bumper, I'd take that over any of these other dangerous traffic situations.

    On that note...I used to do a little trick...if I was in the right lane and someone flew up on the left lane wayyyy too fast...like 20-30 mph over the speed limit, I'd wait 'till they got real close and put on my left turn signal just to scare them.
  • goodegggoodegg Member Posts: 905
    Yesroh - get a life. What are ya.....the traffic monitor for your area? Just stay out of the way, thank you. My time is valuable - yours obviously is not. I'm not advocating driving crazy, but a good 8 mph over on surface roads and going with the flow on the interstates works for everybody else. In Atlanta, if you're not going 90 in the fast lane of the interstates, get out of the way! Its a fact of life. The police will never pull you over. They go 100.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    Another way is to pay attention to those "Your speed is __ " radar-based digital warning signs.

    I have found that with the possible exception of one or two of those warning signs they all show speeds that are about 3 MPH slower than what my speedometer says. So I feel safe following the invisible 5 rule knowing that doing so only puts me a few miles over the limit.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I am disturbed by people who creep forward after the initial stop until the cars are almost touching at a full stop. I look at a proper distance at a stop as enough room to maybe get out of there if you have to, or enough so that if the car in front gets hit, it likely won't hit yours. I never get right up on the car in front of me at a light.

    I live on a hill, and I have to pull into my driveway slowly as it is not far from the street, and I have to hit the door opener as I am pulling in. When I am being tailgated up the hill, I always pull into the driveway especially slow.

    Drinking anything is a distraction that probably shouldn't happen, especially in urban driving.
  • ub2ub2 Member Posts: 17
    If my memory serves me right. When you pull up to a standing car, the proper distance is where you can still see the road in front of you. It use to be also for every 10 mph speed there should be a car length between you and the car in front of you. YEAH RIGHT...
  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    I leave a lot of room.
    I'm retired Air Force Intelligence. I'm very nervous about terrorists so I leave a lot of space at intersections. But I don't get that nervous if someone pulls close behind me. I just think you need to pick your fights, but maybe that's important to you.
    I think the most important thing in driving is that your eyes are on the road and that you can react if necessary. Although drinking would give a small lapse, I think if you watch the road while you are drinking and can drop the drink in a hurry if you need to, there is minimal danger. It keeps you alert if you need to drink a little coffee. I wouldn't drink unless there was a little space between myself and other vehicles...if you have a little space you'll have plenty of time to react.
  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    Yeah, something like that.
    People get all up on others' bumpers and zip in and out and go too fast and too dangerous and think they're getting somewhere. It's a lot of work and danger for such a small increase in speed. As I said before, when I commuted at Langley AFB I would see people trying to 'get ahead' and I'd sit calmly in the right lane and usually end up being ahead of them or just a car or two behind them. Was it worth it?
    I see that here in Indiana too. You hardly gain any time and you risk your car, your license, and your life.
  • carlisimocarlisimo Member Posts: 1,280
    Don't you guys get bored and sleepy when you drive slowly? My mind always wanders off. It scares me when I'm a passenger and my sister drives... she drives 0-5mph above the speed limit, but she has her head resting on one arm and she looks like she's daydreaming.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,681
    "I look at a proper distance at a stop as enough room to maybe get out of there if you have to, or enough so that if the car in front gets hit, it likely won't hit yours."

    I agree on the distance issue. There's been one or two times that the extra distance has come in handy. I've never had to out-n-out "get out of there," but then there's the times when the vehicle behind cannot get stopped, but is almost there. The room to give an extra 10-20 feet prevents the collision. The space wouldn't prevent bumper cars if the driver behind failed to stop entirely, but on a dry road it could absorb a 20 mph hit.

    Fin... sorry 'bout that. I mis-read your post re: backing lights....
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    How about the 10 Commandments of Considerate Driving. Things that you should do and avoid doing to keep yourself from being described in a post here :)

    Since we know a lot of things that are going to come up, let's not try to get into a deep discussion of the details on any one item, but let's come up with a list that should be included when someone new gets a driver's license.

    I guess they don't have to be in order of importance for now.

    I'll start with:

    You SHALL learn to use your turn signals properly

    You folks can add on, but let's see if we can come up with a list of 10 that covers it.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,681
    Naw. I get it out of my system in the winter months when even those mundane roads become "challenging" at the right speeds and then coast through the summer letting all those pokey winter drivers catch up. I might feel differently if there were more days of dry road than icy.....

    Perhaps it is more about your purpose for driving than anything. For me, driving in the summer is about getting a task accomplished. I only drive to get it done. I'll find myself making up reasons to go somewhere in order to get in some road time in the winter..... it is more about the drive itself than the destination. :D
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,681
    Hmm.... maybe rephrase that as "You SHALL use your turn signals properly."

    I'd bet that most people know HOW to use them.... they just do not use them.

    How about: Hmm.... we should restrict this to one commandment per poster!

    You SHALL be familiar with and respect the dimensions and capability of your vehicle.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    That should keep us under control...LOL

    OK... I'd go for the simpler "You SHALL use..." makes sense
  • ub2ub2 Member Posts: 17
    You shall be legally in this country...
  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    Thou Shalt Not Drive Naked
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Thou Shalt Properly Maintain Your Vehicle
  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    Thou Shalt Not use thy vehicle to intimidate others, especially if thou art naked.
  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    Thou Shalt keep a following distance of at least three seconds and not enter a lane in front of another driver unless you are three seconds in front of them.
  • grbeckgrbeck Member Posts: 2,358
    ...check your mirrors regularly.
  • yesrohyesroh Member Posts: 290
    "...check your mirrors regularly"

    I don't know if these commandments are up for rebuttal but let me just respectfully qualify the mirrors thing. Unless you are changing lanes you are really responsible for what's in front of you. Some people get too pre-occupied with checking their mirrors and being concerned about what's behind them and rear-end someone or do something stupid like that. I like to know what's behind me but I can only control what's in front of me.

    We also need to add a female clause,"Check your mirrors regularly, but not to check your hair and makeup"
  • grbeckgrbeck Member Posts: 2,358
    I was taught to periodically scan the mirrors to gain a regular sense of what is happening all around the vehicle.
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    Like I said... not too deep into any one of these items since we've hashed them all out MANY times already.

    Let's get back to chiseling them in stone... :P
  • goodegggoodegg Member Posts: 905
    How about - you shall turn your turn signal on BEFORE the light (on a single lane road) turns green so I know to stay back from you so I can veer around you and keep moving along. Otherwise we all might end up missing the light.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Member Posts: 5,751
    Obey the spirit of the law to "yield the right of way".
  • rcc8179rcc8179 Member Posts: 131
    Keep right except to pass (regardless of the speed thou dost travel).

    I realize some highways have left exits and that people do have to turn left from multi-lane urban/suburban streets, but neither act requires getting into the left lane 10 miles before the turn/exit. One mile will generally suffice. I also realize that many highways become virtual parking lots in peak travel periods. I am referring to times at which traffic is moving.
  • ub2ub2 Member Posts: 17
    Picture this: Been working all day. Going south on LBJ in Dallas Texas. Its a five lane freeway each side. Wishing you were home, you find yourself creeping along at a whooping 8 mph. After 45 min. your thinking that the wreck ahead must be a bad one. Finally you see ahead the flashing red lights. Now your thinking what lane people are taking to get around the wreck, but when you get there you find out the wreck is on the other side. WHA THA...People... Why... You know who you are.
  • davidkeith37davidkeith37 Member Posts: 30
    have uniform, badge, gun, and black &white patrol car to enforce speed and safety rules and regulations on the motoring public at large.Short of this, my speedometer is just as good as any other civilians speedometer on the road so I will keep right except pass and only pass on the right when neccessary.
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