Inconsiderate Drivers (share your stories, etc.)

h0udini

Don't even get me started about asinine truckers in the South Texas area. You guys haven't seen nothing until you get south of San Antonio close to the border areas, especially Laredo, the armpit of the United States. THEY'RE the majority and drive like they own the road. They'll pass you when you're already going over the speed limit for cars. They will pull out in front of you from a side-street everytime just because you can stop fast and they're bigger. In town, instead of keeping in the right lane, they have to use both lanes and effectively road-block everybody else. And I hate to say it, most of 'em look like they're came straight out of Mexico, which is where they learned to drive like that.

Ugh. South Texas. And thanks to Bush, it looks like Mexican truckers won't be restriced to the border and will have free reign to travel all over the US. So if you have doubts about what I say, just wait...

h0udini

Don't even get me started about asinine truckers in the South Texas area. You guys haven't seen nothing until you get south of San Antonio close to the border areas, especially Laredo, the armpit of the United States. THEY'RE the majority and drive like they own the road. They'll pass you when you're already going over the speed limit for cars. They will pull out in front of you from a side-street everytime just because you can stop fast and they're bigger. In town, instead of keeping in the right lane, they have to use both lanes and effectively road-block everybody else. A few years ago, a coworker at my office was killed by a trucker passing another trucker around a blind corner up by Leakey, TX. The idiot was found to be drunk. And I hate to say it, most of 'em look like they're came straight out of Mexico, which is where they learned to drive like that.

Ugh. South Texas. And thanks to Bush, it looks like Mexican truckers won't be restriced to the border and will have free reign to travel all over the US. So if you have doubts about what I say, just wait...

tlcman

I dont have a problem with truckers but living in colorado I have noticed alot of "unhappy" truckers from out of state. I was going up to fort collins in my 2000 740iL and a trucker got in the left lane and paced the other truck once he got side by side, I had a CB on (just a hand held that i had in my car from a road trip) and they were actual planing this. So i didn't want to get too close cause its a big rig and im a sedan, but im getting pisssed. going about 55 down an interstate that is a about 80 on average, so once i get the chance i down shifted into 3 and floored it and hit about 140 as I was passing them. About 20 miles up I-25 after I slowed down they came back up to me doing about 80 and boxed me in. They were not from a particular company but I ended up talking to them over the CB and told them to back off or I would call the sherrif. (Which i prolly wasnt going to do) so they did. I hate being next to truckers now, and I wasnt always like this. Well thats enough of my venting.

tlcman

I dont have a problem with truckers but living in colorado I have noticed alot of "unhappy" truckers from outof state. I was going up to fort collins in my 2000 740iL and a trucker got in the left lane and paced the other truck once he got side by side, I had a CB on (just a hand held that i had in my car from a road trip) and they were actualy planing this. So i didnt want to get too close cause its a big rig and im a sedan, but im getting pisssed. going about 55 down an interstate that is a about 80 on average, so once i get the chance i down shifted into 3 and floored it and hit about 140 as I was passing them. About 20 miles up I-25 after I slowed down they came back up to me doing about 80 and boxed me in. They were not from a particular company but I ended up talkin to them over the CB and told them to back off or I would call the sherrif. (Which i prolly wasnt going to do) so they did. I hate being next to truckers now, and I wasnt always like this. Well thats enough of my venting.

bottgers

What's with all the repeated posts?

eharri3

"Wow, that would be a pain to have to change lanes every 30 seconds. There are commutes involving highways with on-ramps and off-ramps at one mile intervals, you know. I'd spend more time switching lanes than going forward."

Sorry but that's part of driving, little things line making a lane change now and then. Despite what many would like to think, it is no driver's inherent right to take a 'point and shoot' mentality, set the cruise, point the car straight ahead, and never have to concentrate on anything more than staying between the lines. This is highway driving, not coloring in grade school. There are more important things out there than your desire to pilot an automobile with minimal thought and effort.

"Look, I fully agree in being courteous whenever possible. But saying that someone who is in the right lane at the speed limit is inconsiderate and saying on the exact same hand that someone driving the speed limit in the left lane ALSO is inconsiderate, really takes the cake"

I really don't see a contradiction here. Stay to the right or middle lanes unless passing. Get over long enough to let mergers in when you can safely do so and you can see it is necessary, then get back to the right. I do it all the time. I think that's 90 percent of what's wrong with driving in this country nowadays. No body wants to think about anything other than minimizing interruptions to their own personal serene section of road.

carlisimo

Mergers should be ok coming in at the speed limit, shouldn't they? Shouldn't be going above it until you've established your position in the right lane and are ready to move to the left.

On the other hand I think it's perfectly alright to be changing lanes every 30 seconds, provided you're signaling and have enough space. Well ok, not so often, but doesn't anyone else here do superfluous maneuvers for fun? Like down- and upshifting while maintaining a constant speed, moving lane to lane... keeping yourself awake and amused.

sockpuppet1969

eharri3: You have got to be kidding me. Who anointed you king of the road. Evidently, other drivers are supposed to concentrate all their driving efforts on getting out of your way. So in addition to left lane campers we now have right lane campers? yeesh!

bottgers: As for "merging" directly towards me and forcing me to move over - good luck with that one. Enjoy driving in the break down lane if that is your plan.

If traffic is not busy then there should be plenty of room for you to adjust your speed to merge in front or or (less likely) behind me then move over to the left lane and be on your merry way. If traffic is busy then there probably isn't room to the left for me to move over (which I have no intention of doing anyway). Driving in the right lane at or slightly above the speed limit does not mean I am simply driving "with minimal thought and effort". Maybe "90 percent of what is wrong with driving in this country nowadays" is entitled drivers who feel they own the road and everyone else should read their mind and drive according to their arcane driving rules.

bottgers

So it sounds to me like you're saying even if the left lane is open, you aren't going to move over to allow mergers onto the highway. If that's how you operate and your in my area, we may be exchanging some paint.

pat84

Truckers used to be the best drivers on the road up until about 10-12 years ago. Now, they tailgate, switch lanes, pass each other at .005 MPH differences and generally are poor drivers. When I see how they drive now, I think they must have lowered the requirements to drive semi's.
  As for merging, My pet peeve is some driver ahead of me on a merge ramp, doing 30 expecting to merge with 60 mph traffic.
  If I'm on the interstate, I have no problem moving over a lane to let someone merge.

imidazol97

I have no trouble with letting someone coming up a ramp merge in. I don't move to the left if I can avoid it; when on 3 lane interstates I sometimes move over.

My real pet peeve is those coming up the ramp who don't look to see what they're merging into.

eharri3

"eharri3: You have got to be kidding me. Who anointed you king of the road. Evidently, other drivers are supposed to concentrate all their driving efforts on getting out of your way. So in addition to left lane campers we now have right lane campers? yeesh!"

No I kid you not. It's not about other drivers getting out of my way. IT's about this culture we have on our roads now where everybody acts like they should be able to set their cruise, point the car down the road, and never have to make any adjustments for anybody else or do anything to accommodate anybody else on the road. Everybody acts like if they have to move over a lane or de-activate the cruise control and exert some effort for a second, it's the worst thing in the world.

And you keep acting like there's a choice between being a left lane camper or blocking out mergers. These are not mutually exclusive. You can do one without having to do the other. But wait, OHH NOOO, that means you would have to wake up from your daydreaming long enough to turn off the cruise and perform not just one lane change, but two. I guess that's asking too much effort.

All Im trying to say is I drive in a way that acknowledges that Im sharing the road with tons of other people. And that maybe, just maybe, it's more important to accomodate them whenever possible than to just take a self centered approach and concentrate on exerting the minimal effort or thought possible. And maybe that attitude of "I shouldn't have to adjust, Im not changing anything and he has to figure out how to work around me" is a big part of what's wrong with American roads today.

If Im half way through a pass and someone comes up behind me in the left lane doing 90, I will kick it up to 90 to get out of their way faster. If Im driving in the far right lane and see someone trying to merge, Ill move over a lane if I can safely do so to make it easier for them. It's those little things that keeps society on the roads civilized. It's where you see something you can do to help somebody out and even though there's no law or rule that requires you to, and you'd be perfecty within your rights to not change what you're doing, you do it anyway because it makes things go more smoothly than just continuing on with the cruise control running and your blinders on not caring what's going on around you. That was the nice thing about some countries in Europe. No 'point and shoot' mentality there. PEople were keenly attuned to what was going on around them and constantly adjusting for traffic, and driving was more than just keeping your eyes open and the car between the lines.

kmag

eharri you sound reasonable to me - with one exception: if someone comes up behind me doing 90 while I am passing they'll just have to wait for a few seconds while I complete my pass.

The me-first mentality is the root cause of many of these issues. This behavior is a problem no matter who is showing it - the leadfoot who expects everyone else to get out of his way is as much of a problem as the lane hog who wont budge an inch.

gambit293

Actually, ironically it would probably be BAD if everyone adopted my specific driving techniques. I almost ALWAYS give the other driver the benefit of the doubt, simply because I find that this works best in a world of bad, inattentive, lazy drivers.

BUT if everyone drove as "considerately" as me, then everyone would constantly be trying to let everyone else in, everyone would be playing mind games, everyone would be too courteous... and I'd have to alter my driving technique!

scotian

is often my preferred method of dealing with all mergers if I can and it means I won't get stuck in a lane I don't want to be stuck in. More often than not, the merger is going to be slower than me, so not only do I allow them in, I pass them. If I can't do that and they don't look like they know what's going on in the traffic lane, I have no choice but to decide for them which hole to go in (in front or back of me).

For a merger to just blunder into the traffic lane without caring what's there is just idiotic, and quite indefensible, except for those rare situations when traffic conditions are so bad that the merger's only alternative to barging in is to slam on their brakes before hitting something. Here, the surrounding drivers should be well aware of what's going on, and be working for their own best interest which is to avoid an accident. As my grandfather always told me, you're not just driving your car, you're driving that car, and that car, and that car...

Speaking of which, when encountering a split in the road I always assume that the car next to me or in front of me just on the other side of the split-to-be actually wants to be where I am and will be desparately diving over in a second or so, so I keep an eye open.

sphinx99

I know that I'm not going to be changing lanes every 30 seconds in traffic and endangering everyone in the process, but hey, whatever rocks your boat. I'm all for getting out of the merging lane if I have the opportunity to do so, but if I give my turn signal then Speed Racer to my left is going to floor it so that I can't change lanes anyway, so I generally find it safer to stay where I am. You're welcome to brand that as laziness. Go ahead. I drive a S2000 that requires me to be awake and alert every second I'm behind the wheel, so I don't need to constantly change lanes to remind myself to be alert, and I certainly don't ever feel lazy on the road when every pothole is going to loosen my fillings. But, I could see how constant lane changing might be required for, say, a Ford Ranger owner whom otherwise might be required to constantly "adjust" lest they slip into the unholy sin of cruise control and straight roads.

Sorry. If I try to change lanes, someone's going to cut me off. If I try to drive the speed limit in ANY lane other than the rightmost one, people are going to tailgate me, then come here and whine about it. If I stay in the right lane, the Mergers are going to call me inconsiderate. I'd take the bus just to make people like you happy, but we don't have any public transit system in Detroit. So, I'm going to continue driving in the right lane, at the speed limit, and make whatever effort I can to accommodate everyone. And if I irritate 10% of the drivers in the process, I'm going to continue driving while looking straight ahead, and let them fulfill their road rage needs with someone else, because I still don't believe that you can please everyone, no matter how you drive. There's always someone who's going to feel that you should go the speed limit in left lane, and someone else who feels that you should go 20mph above the limit in the right lane. You're calling me inconsiderate on the right, someone else is going to call me inconsiderate on the left, and hell, sometimes you're driving on a two-lane highway. You just can't win.

black_tulip

I am with sphinx on this one. I also try to avoid going to the left lane at merge points. No, I am not lazy. I have tried to be considerate in the past, but experience now tells me that the moment I am in the left lane doing about 72 in a 65 , there will be a LLB(left lane bully) about six inches from my bumper. Once (I posted this here), I moved to the left to let a guy in when he immediately came behind me in the left lane and started tailgating me. Or, another scenario is that when I need to move left, there will be a car in the left lane flush with my rear bumper. In general, I think LLBs are much more of a menace than LLCs. In fact for every 1 LLC, I see about 5-10 LLBs. And the ratio keeps going up.

Anyway, when most motorists would not even lift a finger(literally) to flick the turn signal switch, I don't expect much of a courtesy in general. Sad, but true.

sockpuppet1969

I see you are making some assumptions about how I drive. I don't know where you are driving (Georgia?) but where I live there is usually pretty steady traffic on the interstates and exits are fairly close together. I don't think it's reasonable to move over a lane every time someone needs to merge. If the road is two lanes I usually drive on the right so as to avoid being tailgated. I do not "block out" mergers. I do not use my cruise control unless the roads are practically empty. I do make adjustments in the way that I drive to accomodate other drivers. Specifically, if someone is merging onto the highway I will slow down or speed up in order to let them in. If I am moving significantly faster then the merger I will sometimes move to the left so that I don't have to slow down to let them in. I do not drive in a daydream - there are too many people with their own special set of driving rules out there to do that.

It is people like bottgers who have a 'point and shoot' mentality. This is evidenced by his merging technique described in previous posts and his admonition that if the person he is merging INTO (not with) does not get out of his way that they will "be exchanging some paint". (nice attitude by the way - you must be a real pleasure in person)

Personally, I have never had any trouble at all merging onto a highway. It is quite easy to adjust the speed of my own car to easily slide into the flow of traffic. I don't depend on others let me in.

ranald

Exaggeration to the point of silliness doesn't help your case. I'm with eharri.

If there is anything you can reasonably do to facilitate the flow of traffic and make the lives of drivers around you easier, then you should do it. Treat others as you'd like them to treat you, eh?

Making a lane change is pretty trivially easy unless traffic is very heavy. If traffic is that heavy, then there probably isn't anything you can do to facilitate the flow of traffic anyway, so don't worry about it. A little sense of perspective goes a *long* way. Thoughtfulness and consideration are the advanced course.

As for people like bottgers, well unfortunately there will always be people like bottgers. He's made his decision on how to treat people- we can only hope he doesn't take anyone with him when he goes.

bottgers

You guys are making me out as the bad guy here. I'm not. Maybe you didn't read my posts very well. The ONLY time I use the merging technique is when drivers should be moving over anyway, but aren't doing so because they're being inconsiderate or inattentive. I don't do this every time I enter the highway. The bad guys are the people who won't move over to allow merging traffic to enter the highway.

warriorphan

It's not totally mathematically correct but half of the drivers out there are below average in their driving ability. Of course, 80% of drivers rate themselves as above average. No wonder that we have such interesting postings on this topic.

imidazol97

" is when drivers should be moving over anyway, but aren't doing so because they're being inconsiderate or inattentive."

I consider a lane change done quickly to be dangerous. The chance of overlooking a car beside you or one of the LLD (left lane 'dominators') zooming up at many mph above the limit is greater when done quickly as a merge lane agressor demands his right to 'make' someone get out of his new lane so they can be courteous drivers to him at least.

bottgers

If you would've done this, you would've noticed that I said the ONLY time I merge in such a way that would force a driver in the right lane to move over to the left lane is if the left lane is totally clear. This means there would be no vehicles in the left lane AND no vehicles approaching in the left lane that could cause problems with the vehicle moving into the left lane. This merging technique I use is not dangerous because I merge so slowly that a driver in the right lane would have to be asleep not so see me coming, and I never do it if the driver in the right can't move over.

sockpuppet1969

bottgers - your technique is dangerous and stupid. There are absolutely no circumstances that 'forcing' someone to move over is acceptable. It is dangerous and illegal and you are going to cause an accident if you continue to use it. Either that or incite road rage and get yourself hurt. It is not your decision to make as to whether someone driving in the right lane should move over. You should adjust your speed to enter the highway safely.

fintail

You can't expect common courtesy, no matter the "law". Some people just won't move over. That's our society.

Whenever I come up to on ramps and see a car on one, I move over if I can, if I am in the left lane at that point. I may not have to, but I know it is doing nothing but helping the other person, and it is no real effort to me. For some people though...that's just too much.

imidazol97

doing the merging. From many of them "You can't expect common courtesy, no matter the "law"."

The laws in these states in this area say the traffic on the highway has the right-of-way. To expect them to move over and GET OUT OF MY WAY is not legal. If the person having the right-of-way decides to and can do so is nice. But in many cases it should just be the responsibility of the mergee to accelerate or decelerate and merge smoothly. How ever asking that is... as was just said...
"For some people though...that's just too much."

It is amazing how some demanding drivers try to make bad driving someone else's fault, not theirs!!!

fintail

Common courtesy is often more logical than the "law". The "law" doesn't mean crap to me, in this instance. People who blindly follow "the law"....what can you say about them that the censors here won't have a coronary about. Maybe "the law" needs to change...but we couldn't have that, it's "the law" so it is right!

Is it really "bad driving" to hope for a little common courtesy from a fellow motorist, or is it just more blind deference given to the inept appointed credibility-free talking heads that make "the law"? It's like failing to see any blinding flaws in GM products...

imidazol97

So that's the problem.

Too many people feel the rules are for others, as in yielding to the traffic with the right-of-way on an interstate and doing a safe 'merge' with the traffic or waiting for a driver to allow an opening in front of them or waiting for an opening, so that their own ego is always right.

The laws are there to make things work well. It's always been interesting how the laws are viewed by some drivers in a way to make it nice for them but awful for others to drive. Too bad those drivers can't all just go to Montana or something where it's open road and they can drive as they please without trying to dominate others. Oh yeah, the passive aggressives are the weirdest ones of them all when you meet them on the road. Nothing's ever THEIR fault or problem: it's always the OTHER guy's fault.

fintail

So when you are driving down a highway, in the right lane, and someone wants to merge in, do you move over if you can, or cause as much of a problem as you can, because it is "the law"? With that attitude, you'll end up a road rage casualty sooner or later...and frankly, you're asking for it. You're looking for a fight, and you'll lose. One would think if the road is filled with weirdos and passive agressive nuts as you state, that you would want to stop any problems before they can start....

"The laws are there to make things work well"

But they don't. You know, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Of course, the people who make the laws must be intelligent, logical, and insightful, so don't dare question those laws! Defer! Conform!

bottgers

....none of you who were so quick to flame me for my merging technique have no comments about post #2600.

black_tulip

The "law" doesn't mean crap to me, in this instance.

That, in a nutshell, is the root of about 90% of the problems on the road today. If you don't like a law, work towards changing it. In the meantime, have a little patience for those of us who like to follow it.

gee35coupe

The merge sign and the yield signs are both posted for the person "ENTERING" the highway. No to the person already on the freeway. Theese signs are of no concern to the person already travelling at speed. They probably can't even see the signs.
 
Yield may require a stop as you wait for your turn.

Merge means to wait for a break in traffic and MERGE into it.

Both of those signs are of no concern to the person already on the freeway as the only sign they have seen is the one that warns them there is an onramp coming up.

It is the responsibility of the person trying to get on the freeway to do it in the safest way possible. There is no requirement for the person already on the freeway to "let you in" and you will be held liable for any accident you cause if they decide to play your game of "merge lane chickin" and you hit them.

fintail

Just because there is "no requirement", does that mean that people shouldn't do what they can, within the most basic reason, to make things easier for all, anyway? Is our society so selfish and narrow-minded that people can't see this? Absolutely disgusting...there's no common courtesy or common sense among so many.

Defer! Conform! Throw away logic! "The law" says so!

imidazol97

Maryland: The "yield" sign means exactly that, you must yield the right of way to the through traffic and stop if necessary.
The through traffic is not required to yield to any entering traffic.
Courtesy and responsibility is expected of all who use Maryland's roadways.

Illinois: A driver must yield to through traffic when approaching a MERGE sign. You must increase or decrease speed to avoid an accident.
A driver must yield when approaching a YIELD sign. You should slow down or stop to avoid an accident.

Both say the mergee yields to through traffic. One sign indicates more difficulty or a more dangerous situation for the merging process.

eharri3

And how bout the signs they have near some left hand merges saying 'merging traffic ahead, move over if possible?' see them all the time between pa and mad.

tlcman

those are just advisory signs to drivers on the freeway that traffic may be slowing, there is no way that signs, state patrol, or any other person (well maybe spike strips) that will be able to change the course of a busy freeway lane. According to the Colorado State drivers handbook "Merging: You must yield to all vehicles on that roadway. Do not merge if another vehicle must slow down for you." (Page 16) this implies that to secsessfuly and safely merge onto a freeway you must get up to the speed of traffic on the on ramp locate a opening in traffic and merge safely. There is nothing written in the handbook about drivers moving over for merging traffic that is their own choice and has no law backing it...clear? That is pretty much the same in every state.

imidazol97

I didn't make the laws. Please don't attack the bearer.
I'm only listing what I could find with a quick search on google.

Seems to me if the mergee would just follow the laws that do exist and speed up or slow down to merge into the openings. Myself I usually see the car coming up the ramp and if they are attempting to speed up I slow down slightly to leave a longer opening. I haven't seen a law in this state that says one must move over. Then I'd be annoying the LLDs (Left Lane Dominators) who demand that I be out of 'their' lane so they don't have to drive their car by adjusting speeds and lanes; they could just cruise on by.

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fintail

If there were people in the left lane who you would inconvienence, then you wouldn't move over, imidazol97. You should do it when you can, without hindering anyone else...if you want to show at least an iota of courtesy, anyway. Apparently that idea is not able to be grasped by many.

I sure hope that "the law" crowd here has never exceeded a speed limit...you don't want to break "the law"!

bottgers

Some of these people are hung up on what the law says because they don't want to admit that drivers should move over a lane when there's merging traffic. I could care less about what the law says, drivers that refuse to move over for mergers are just wrong. Many states have a law that says I have the right to drive by a stranded vehicle without stopping to see if the driver needs help. I could legally drive by, but I would be dead wrong in doing so. Just because something may be legal, that doesn't make it right.

imidazol97

over to the next (left) lane when someone comes zipping up the ramp...
Sometimes that person is watching the traffic coming by looking over their shoulder, sometimes they're talking on the cellphone, sometimes they're just not looking at all -- until they get next to a car and the end of the ramp is coming up...
I note if someone is trying to merge or just expects the opening to be there between words on the cellphone or between cigarette puffs or ??? just because.
If you think I'm going to jump to the left lane at the intersection of 70 and 75 with all the trucks and crazy drivers in the lanes _without_ taking a double check myself for speeders, trucks, a car in my blind spot, just so someone can cruise on past the yield sign, it ain't going to happen. If they're watching and adjusting to the speed of the lane, I slow a little to make a good opening and not tailgate them. The ones who are watching will usually gun it up the hill and be in the left lane anyhow, leaving me to cruise on blithely into oblivion up the long hill at aftermentioned intersection. The ones with no looks and the cellphone or cigarette or not courtesy, may a truck get them. Happens often enough here.

fintail

I agree with bottgers. Whenever I am on the open road, I will move over when approaching an on ramp, if I can, if there is any activity on it at all. Too many things can go wrong not to, it's just not worth the hassle when all troubles can be avoided by simply moving my wheel an inch. Laws and common sense/common courtesy/respect for fellow people often have little relation. This is excellent proof. Moving over and allowing people in when the lane to your left is clear is NOTHING but good...not to mention it has to be a good way to lessen the risk of a road rage incident.

I see it as no different from letting someone in front of you if they are stuck in an exit only lane or something. It's happened to me in unfamiliar territory, and I am sure it has happened to everyone. It is the law to do so? Nope. But is it a good thing to do when it can be safely done? Certainly.

Once when I was in Seattle, I was stuck in a traffic jam caused by a broken down car that the owner left on the road. I got behind it, and with traffic volumes (low speed but too many cars), there was no way I was going to get around it. I sat there for a minute, and then a bus came up in the adjoining lane, slowly decelerated, and motioned me over. Did he have to do that? Nope. No "law" says so.

And I will say it again...these "the law" people better not dare break a speed limit. Wouldn't want to look like a hypocrite or anything...

imidazol97

As for the stranded vehicle, I'll call you when I see one here. If you want to stop to help, more power to you. I'm not stopping. I value my life for my wife and child.

An accident I'll stop for.

bottgers

Be careful not to break the law. In some states it's illegal to pass a stranded vehicle without stopping. Being the law abider you are, I know you wouldn't want to do anythin illeagal.

imidazol97

cite the code from a state that says it's illegal to pass a car along the side of the road that has broken down, or appears to have broken down. If there is such a code, I'll show you a thousand of law-breakers. That's the silliest logic I've heard on this forum yet.

I can just picture every car and every semi stopping where a car has pulled over with its radiator steaming or a tire flat. Can you imagine the traffic jam on I75!!!

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ruking1

"cite the code from a state that says it's illegal to pass a car along the side of the road that has broken down, or appears to have broken down. If there is such a code, I'll show you a thousand of law-breakers. That's the silliest logic I've heard on this forum yet.

I can just picture every car and every semi stopping where a car has pulled over with its radiator steaming or a tire flat. Can you imagine the traffic jam on I75!!! "

First of all this is not silly at all! I believe N/S Dakota's have this law on the books. If your car breaks down in the winter time, that might definitely increase the chances of you being found in the next spring!

bottgers

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Ruking

imidaz has made his bed. Now he's trying to figure out how he can sleep in it.

cfg1

What about when 5-10 cars are merging together, all tail-gating each other?

I'd move over to the left if I could, but if I can't then I'm the one stuck trying to find a hole in the line of 'mergers'.

bottgers

You almost answered your own question. Obviously, the easiest and best thing to do is to move over a lane. If you can't, then the mergers will have to adjust thier speed, not you. Contrary to what some may believe, that is what I do when I'm merging and the vehicle(s) traveling in the right of the highway can't move over. If they can move over but choose not to, only then do I use my technique.