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  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    That would be my guess. Mr. Magnum probably wouldn't bother upstaging a Kia Rio, but on the other hand, I don't imagine that he would challenge a vette or a viper.

    Choose your opposition carefully to enhance your ego.

    Auto ads have become ridiculous (or deplorable) depending on you point of view. I recently saw an ad for the new Toyota Tacoma touting it's "Menacing Torque". Just who are we supposed to menace with our abundant torque? Talk about fantasy-fuel for future road-rage.

    james
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I wouldn't be menaced by any Tacoma unless there was some known psycho behind the wheel

    "Choose your opposition carefully to enhance your ego."

    People can be dumb at that. I've had 2 people try to race me in the 126...a S10 and a Caravan. I schooled them both.
  • black_tulipblack_tulip Member Posts: 435
    I schooled them both.

    How? By participating in a drag race in a public highway? I submit to you that this urge to "teach others" is exactly the problem.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Actually it was on a fairly empty 4 lane suburban/rural road. If getting up to 50 in a 45 faster than the wannabe racers is a crime, sue me.
  • derekgdwderekgdw Member Posts: 51
    Ok lets see if I can post today . . . ;-)

    Well my car's a Subaru Impreza. Even though it's not at the WRX level (mine's the Outback Sport model) I guess it's reasonable to think he mistook it for one.

    That's more than likely what happened.
  • derekgdwderekgdw Member Posts: 51
    hahaha

    People have attempted to race me in the most ridiculous cars the past few years. A Malibu with an engine that sounded like it was going to fall apart (probably from repeated racings), a Tercel, and a low end CRX. I usually don't realize until I hear the blaring engine of their car.

    The Malibu: I didn't attempt to "win" and the teenage girl driving it couldn't get ahead of me. I just kept hearing this engine reving REALLY high behind me

    The Tercel: I had three people in my car he had one. We leave from the traffic light. I was going at my normal speed which doesn't make the engine rev all that high. He had this bound and determined look on his face and he had his engine reving rather high. He didn't gain much ground over my car for all his effort though. We were cracking up.

    The CRX driver looked at me like "C'mon" and floored it away from a traffic light. I just laughed and let him go.

    Years ago my sister had a Subaru XT Turbo. As racy as the car looked it didn't have a lot of power to back it up. The turbo enhanced that engine from 95 to 110 horsepower if I remember right. Woo hoo. Still a fun car though. Anyway, this guy in a Camero pulled up next to her and started doing the usual "I wanna race you" engine reving thing. She did the same. Light turned green, he took off like a bat out of hell. She turned right. ;-)
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    that looked fast, but wasn't. It was a 1969 Dodge Dart GT. It had bucket seats, a blackout grille, GT badging here and there, a black painted aluminum strip running the length of the beltline, and a really cool blackout panel on the back of the trunklid that just said "Dodge GT" on the side.

    And the car didn't say "Dart" anywhere at all on it. I think originally it was supposed to have a badge on the side that said "Dart GT", but if it did it was gone by the time I got ahold of it!

    Well, for all its tough looks, it only had a 225 slant six under the hood. I used to get challenged at stoplights by Mustang GT's and the like all the time! It really got annoying!

    That car gave way though, to a plain-jane Dart 270 that had a built-up 318 though, that more than vindicated the Dart nameplate!
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Over 4 years and 66,000 miles, I have not been challenged much in a Corvette Z06. I did once zip on by a fantastically loud Camaro. (Like I couldn't tell he probably had 650-700 hp!! with a supercharger also:) ) Cars like this are really two edged. You have to be more than careful even if it is built right! You can have the thing start to come apart with VERY little effort!!
  • eharri3eharri3 Member Posts: 640
    It was tacky, but it was mine, all through college. Blacked out head lights, a few other cheap accessories, some ford decals and cheap, bubble-filled graphics, complete with a 'FEAR THIS' sticker or two. Like the 4-banger 112 hp engine was actually anything to 'fear'.

    My sister borrowed it once and was at a stop light when a similarly tarted up S-10 pulled up next to her and the couple inside started hooting and hollering about how Chevy Rocks, Ford sucks, revving their enging, torque braking, the works. MEanwhile my sister, 19 years old and in college at the time, is sitting there shaking her head at the foolishness of these two full-grown adults. End result is the light turns green, my sister drives away normally, and the S10 takes off leaving about 6 feet of rubber on the ground and redlining first gear, only to have to stomp the brakes in another 10 feet an stop short to keep from hitting a SEPTA bus.

    Strange, but I don't get goaded like that in My V8 Quad Cab 4x4. Closest I've come is people deliberately speeding up to keep from getting over, which almost never works. V8s are nice. NEVER get bullied like I used to.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I've noticed a few things lately

    One, the alarming propensity for uncared for vehicles to pull out in front of me on a local 50mph highway. It happened twice yesterday as I was driving different cars...nobody behind me for a mile, and some ignorant rube dawdles right out in front of me anyway. I am sure that's an easy way to get shot at in some areas...and I wouldn't mourn if it happened to these people. My cars aren't invisible. It's an impossible road to pass on as well...the kind of people you hope slam into a ditch soon.

    Also, we have a new roundabout in my area, and most people handle it pretty well. But some people...esp young females...will screech to a panic stop when they approach it. Then they will lurch out into it if there are no cars to be seen. It's always been a Jetta or Civic as the offender.
  • carlisimocarlisimo Member Posts: 1,280
    "Strange, but I don't get goaded like that in My V8 Quad Cab 4x4. Closest I've come is people deliberately speeding up to keep [me?] from getting over, which almost never works. V8s are nice. NEVER get bullied like I used to."

    (I'm guessing about that [me] in there.)
    I'm not saying it's justified, but I would do the same. I'm guilty of special maneuvers to avoid ending up behind a vehicle that I can't see past. I don't have the engine power to succeed if the other driver cares, but I don't see it as a race anyway.

    Just letting you know what at least some of us drivers are thinking.
  • gambit293gambit293 Member Posts: 406
    I confess too. Although I am a strong proponent of letting in people who signal, there's more of a chance that I won't let you in if you drive an SUV. I simply prefer to retain my visibility.

    Pick-ups are not as bad unless they have a a huge cab on the back.
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    Had my 16 year old out driving yesterday and we came to a traffic light. Three lanes. The two leftmost lanes are left turn only and the right lane (that we are stopped at the light in) is for straight through traffic and right turns into the shopping center.

    Out of the corner of my eye I catch movement in the right side mirror and turn my head just in time to see a Lincol Navigator trying to fit in the bicycle lane on our right to turn into the shopping center. I guess when you're THAT important, you can't wait the 15 seconds until the light changes. You are FORCED to almost take off the right side of my car.

    Incredible

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  • carlisimocarlisimo Member Posts: 1,280
    I thought that was common practice when there's enough room for two cars in a lane like that. I guess that doesn't make it legal or considerate though.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    In CA, this action is legal within 200 ft of an intersection. My guess is that the overtaking car was probably going to fast and too close for relative comfort?
  • eharri3eharri3 Member Posts: 640
    "I'm not saying it's justified, but I would do the same. I'm guilty of special maneuvers to avoid ending up behind a vehicle that I can't see past. I don't have the engine power to succeed if the other driver cares, but I don't see it as a race anyway."

    If we're driving normal speeds on city streets and you're not following too closely, seeing around me shouldn't be a worry. If we're on the highway and you can't see around me, you're following too closely.

    Regardless, it feels like punishment for doing the right thing and changing lanes in the proper and safe manner. An SUV or truck driver trying to do it the right way, signalling and giving plenty of warning, and his reward is to have someone actively try to impede him? But of course the same people who pull these kinds of tactics will be the first ones to rant about how truck-owners drive like they own the road.

     Next time you see an SUV or big truck lurch into your lane cutting you off abrupty with inches to spare, instead of automatically getting angry give him the benefit of the doubt. Assume maybe he was so tired of people moving to block him out of the lane he needs to be in to make his turn or his exit that now he just barges over to keep it from happening. I know that's the way I change lanes now. I guess I will just have to be the big, rude, bullying, ultra-macho, hot-headed truck guy in order to make sure I get where I need to be in traffic. If you're next to an Atlantic Blue Quad 4x4 one day when you pull your maneuver and and all of a sudden you hear a V8 roar and find yourself getting an eyeful of the rear differential, you bought it on yourself. I'll make sure to wave.
  • carlisimocarlisimo Member Posts: 1,280
    In light traffic my maneuvers usually mean I'm the one changing lanes, and finding a position I like without interfering with anyone else. I didn't necessarily mean "special maneuvers" as in bodily challenges.

    In heavy traffic though... I don't do it in anger; I know I'm the inconsiderate one. All I can say is that in that kind of traffic I don't like keeping my eyes pegged to the taillights in front of me when I have the option of being able to see several cars ahead. When I can see up ahead, I follow the movements of the second or third car in front of me, and I end up accelerating, braking, and shifting less. It's nice.

    Keeping a long following distance isn't always an option in heavy traffic (when traffic fluctuates between full stops and several-second stretches of 25mph, and everything in between). But when I can keep long following distances (and I do just because it's less stressful), I can't see any more. An Explorer will totally cover a Corolla no matter how many miles back I am.

    Oh and as for trucks that signal; I'm so surprised that they're actually signalling that I'm stunned while they move into my lane.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    cars, trucks, and SUVs are all much harder to see through nowadays than they used to be. For one thing, everything's taller. Rooflines, decklids, etc. Cars aren't as easy to see through, either, as the roof pillars are thicker, seats are higher, windshield tops are lower, more window tint, etc.

    A Ford Focus wagon in front of me will block out more of the view ahead, from ANY distance, than any old battlecruiser from the 70's would have.

    And some SUVs are big enough that they can completely hide cars in front of them or behind them. Once upon a time, it was really easy to look up ahead of the car in front of you, to see who was camping in the left lane, holding everyone up. Nowadays it's often difficult to see past the car immediately in front of you!

    And dangerous driving is dangerous driving, no matter what kind of vehicle you're in. Just because you're in a Navigator or some other blockage of vision on the highway, doesn't give you any more right to make me slam on my brakes than if you're in an Echo.

    And if you start to come over dangerously close, with no turn signal, while I'm gaining on you, I'm going to take that to mean that you're wandering in your lane and not paying attention. You're more likely to get honked at then you are to get let over.

    FWIW though, if I see a truck, SUV, or anybody, for that matter, put on a signal to get over because their exit is coming up, I'll always let them over. If they do it to get in the passing lane so they can pass the car in front of them at 1 mph faster, when I was doing 10 mph faster, again, they're most likely going to get the horn. As far as I'm concerned, it's all need-based. If your exit is coming up, you NEED to get over to it. Although, honestly, if you knew it was coming up you shouldn't have waited until the last second, but sometimes traffic just gets so bad that you get stuck in the wrong lane. Or maybe you're pulling out into traffic, but have to get all the way over left really fast.

    It just all depends on the situation.
  • danf5danf5 Member Posts: 38
    have been annoying me quite a bit and causing discomfort too now that the days are short and my commute starts in the dark at both ends.

    The idiots who designed the cars gave them rear fog lights that are much too bright and that seem to turn on with the fronts. The idiots who drive Jaguars turn the fog lights on, regardless of need.

    Bright lights, dim drivers. Arrrgh!
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    and Auroras are two that have the bright rear lights. Doesn't federal law address the brightness of rear running lights? Or state laws?

    I don't know why Ford is putting such bright lights on those Jags. Even the little Jag has them buried in the red tailens.

    Where are the police???

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  • nine51nine51 Member Posts: 77
    They can be annoying when misused. Most people probably don't even know they are on. I fault the switch design for the rear fogs,or the driver of the car, not the rear fogs themselves. They are supposed to be bright, so you can see them in the fog/rain/snow/etc. What good would they be if they weren't bright?

    What is wrong is the switch that turns on both the front and rear fog lights at the same time. The automaker was just saving money in not using two separate switches. There are times when it is nice to have the front fog lights on when there is no need for rear fogs. In light rain at night they provide extra light down at the road level when the roads are wet, but the overall visibility level is OK and other drivers can see you from the rear with the standard tail lights. Front fogs also help you see a little farther around a turn than the headlights, that is if they are aimed properly or of a good quality that doesn't glare into oncoming traffic. A properly aimed, good quality fog light should not blind other drivers. The problem is with cheap aftermarket fog or driving lights that just blast the light in all directions without good control.

    The way people drive these days, I think a rear fog should be an available option. I have added red LED brake lights on a separate switch to several of my cars so that the guy coming up on me from behind at 80 mph in a snowstorm might have time to slow down before he hits me from the rear.
  • carlisimocarlisimo Member Posts: 1,280
    To a lesser extent, BMW turn signals are bright enough to be annoying at night. I guess it's their way of fighting against the stereotype that Bimmer drivers don't signal.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Yeah, my VW Jetta (TDI) has a starboard and port side very bright but small white lamp on the fronts quarter panels that goes on when the left and right turn signals are activated.
  • derekgdwderekgdw Member Posts: 51
    Speaking of getting stuck behind vehicles . . . I gotta say one car I hate getting stuck behind more than ANY SUV is the Chrysler Pacifica. I don't know why but the couple of times I've been behind one I've felt like I had a bigger blind spot in front of me than any SUV in existence.
  • bryanbryan Member Posts: 198
    I agree with you about the fog lights. I have an 03 Aurora, and I have a separate mechanism to turn them on located on the light switch. It allows me to turn on the front only or both front and rear.

    I use them mainly on two-lane country roads when visibility is impaired by fog/rain. Most of the time I only turn on the front lights, but will use both if fairly foggy/overcast and visibility is impaired.

    When the fog lights are on, an icon appears on my dash board so I am aware they are on. I do not run the fog lights at other times. I believe those that misuse their fog lights are simply not paying full attention to their driving experience.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    It's the dark tint to the windows that makes it like a wall in front of you. You can't see anything through it.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    They are off unless I "need" them.
  • nine51nine51 Member Posts: 77
    Lately I've seen more cars with low, almost flat tires sitting in the parking lots around here. Maybe it's the colder weather that is causing some more leakage, but wow, some of those tires are so flat, I can't believe the people driving on them don't notice something wrong. Clueless! I left as note on their windshield, but it probably just blew away when they drove off.

    Same goes for those with lights burned out, parts falling off, or blowing clouds of blue smoke. I was behind a Chevy pickup a few years ago that had it's bed so rusted out it was almost scraping on the ground.

    Take some responsibility for your cars, you are putting everyone else around you in danger with your negligence.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Member Posts: 5,751
    People who drive BMWs I find are the most courteous. The most discourteous are the big SUV drivers and small compact drivers. One thinks they can get their way by bullying you, the others think they can fit in anywhere. And neither of them signal.
  • andyman73andyman73 Member Posts: 322
    I find that the inconsiderate driver spans across all types of vehicle classes. The only type I have experienced no overt acts of courtesy from, are school bus drivers. I routinely let them turn left in front of me, when I can see cars stacked behind them. It tells me they have been waiting a little while. But I haven't ever had that favor returned from that group. I actually had to stop driving a particulary fun road, because the one school bus driver would drive @45 on a 35 posted road. All the while cutting the inside curves across the double yellow lines. It only took 3 times running off the shoulder to stop going that way. Makes me think that I or my wife will be driving our children to school, to avoid some of the hazards. I very hard to not be one of those inconsiderates, I sometimes goof up, but usually not. I enjoy driving, and frequently test the ability of the gas pedal and engine performance, for short spurts of fun. I recently was over 100mph in the wife's Sable wagon, passing 4 slow movers, on a 55mph back country highway, in a legal passing zone. But didn't tail gate to get to the passing zone. So, you can see, considerate driver having a little fun.

    I'm done rambling now. Thanks.
  • eharri3eharri3 Member Posts: 640
    Come through Philly and share the road with SEPTA drivers some time. They will make it a point when they have to stop at a bus stop to stay far enough out into the road to block traffic regardless of whether they have room to pull over or not. When it's time to get moving again, they will just swing right out into traffic, regardless of whether a car is in the middle of passing them or not. They run stop signs and red lights. Once I was at a light where I stopped right before the crosswalk, forgetting that sometimes SEPTA buses have to make wide turns onto the street I was on, which is extremely narrow. So a Septa bus coming from my left swings out to make his turn and I think he's gonna stop for a second and give me a chance to pull forward or backwards and out of his way. But he begins his turn and just keeps coming and coming faster and faster, nearly smacking the front end of my car as I backed up in a panic to avoid getting squashed like a pancake. They know they pretty much drive the biggest thing out there so they have no qualms about bullying everybody else on the road.
  • andyman73andyman73 Member Posts: 322
    Yeah, the RRTA drivers are just like that, here in Lancaster. Just drive right out into traffic from the stops. They give themselves their own bad name.
  • eharri3eharri3 Member Posts: 640
    I wonder what will happen when they find out some of the biggest offenders are SEPTA buses.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,342
    raise fares even more to pay for the tickets?

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  • andyman73andyman73 Member Posts: 322
    That's fantastic, the proof will be in the pudding, backing up the argument about the driving habits of the bus drivers! The pictures will tell the real truth!
  • chicagodrive1chicagodrive1 Member Posts: 64
    I tend to "loaf" in the left lane because there's usually no cars in that lane and I like to drive 5 miles below the speedlimit.

    Once in awhile, a nut-case gets on my backend, tailgates me for a few minutes then begins to pass on the right. Usually when they start passing I step on gas and race them. Man, I love the look on their faces and the funny gestures they make with their hands. Where do these people come form?
  • ghuletghulet Member Posts: 2,564
    No wonder I hate driving here so much; you don't live on the north side, do you?

    Anywho, today I saw (and almost participated in) a real doozy. I was at a six-way intersection (Damen/Clybourn/Diversey, for those of you familiar), heading south on Damen, waiting for my light to turn green. As soon as it did, driver in front of me guns it (not smart at any intersection in Chicago, let alone a six-way with no arrows in any direction), turns right and barely misses hitting the leftover driver making a sharp left from eastbound Diversey onto northbound Clybourn. As I'm laughing about that, driving north onto Damen (dangerous in any case, as the intersection doesn't 'line up', so there's always some moron from the left lane ending up in your right lane), the dingbat heading south on Clybourn decides that MY green light is hers, drives through the intersection (from a dead stop) while I am, and we narrowly escape collision. I blare the horn and she looks at ME like I'm the idiot. I love Chicago drivers!!
  • andyman73andyman73 Member Posts: 322
    Bet she is one of those that think they have the right of way, no matter what, and that they own the roads.
  • derekgdwderekgdw Member Posts: 51
    Chicagodrive1 - What kind of car do you drive and what's the license plate #? I'll wave if I see you and commend you on doing your part to make Chicago roads safer.

    Just kidding. I'm sure that's a joke post. lol
  • gambit293gambit293 Member Posts: 406
    This has got to be a joke, right? Please?
  • seminole_kevseminole_kev Member Posts: 1,696
    Please tell me that Chicagodrive1's post is dripping with sarcasm. If not.......well I'll just keep this a clean, family oriented forum.
  • guestguest Member Posts: 770
    Yes I was kidding about the left lane loafing.

    And going 5 miles below the speedlimit in Chicago will get you killed. At that speed, I'd likely be hammered by an SUV with "Go Bobby, Your #1" sprayed on it's side running at 80-90 mph.
  • derekgdwderekgdw Member Posts: 51
    I thought so!

    And you are correct. Even in the right lane around here you don't dare go under 75 in a 55.
  • eharri3eharri3 Member Posts: 640
    I LOVE when LLBs speed up to try to keep me from getting back over. IT's funny, they think they are 'winning' but actually they are doing exactly what I was hoping. If you won't move over, and you won't allow me to pass on the right, then at minimum me trying to sneak by gets you to speed up suddenly and pass a little quicker. One way or another, the left lane is now moving a little faster.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    I don't mind either, since my intention is to pass so I can go faster, who is the LLB hurting by speding up. Now I hate it on a 2 lane when they slow down beside someone in the right lane.
  • derekgdwderekgdw Member Posts: 51
    gee35couple - That's about the time when I start yelling like that middle eastern guy in Office Space. "SON OF A AAAAHHHHH *(@#$(*$&@$*(&@#$@(*&(#" ;-)

     

    Hmmm reminds me. Yesterday some lady in an Expedition wasn't paying attention and NEARLY rear ended me while I was behind a bunch of stopped cars. I saw her barrelling down the road quickly in my rearview. Thankfully I had enough room where I could turn onto the center lane and she realized soon enough to slam on her brakes, swerve right and nearly take out a guard rail. (no her intent was not to go into the center lane, she was just not paying attention) I nearly turned around in my seat and started yelling except I realized she can't hear me or see me (I'm too low and she's too high) anyway. gggrrr

     

    Probably had a bunch of kids jumping around in the back seats. It's hard to eat, talk on the cell phone, drive and tend to your children all at once I guess. ;-)
  • bolivarbolivar Member Posts: 2,316
    Gotta manage that Starbucks silver coffee cup also...
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    I think I've seen it all now. If it ever comes up for a vote, I'm completely for random testing of drivers. Just pull your name off a computer list at random and be forced to demonstrate basic skills behind the wheel to keep your driving privileges. Let's see if I can set this mental picture up. A grocery store parking lot. I actually got out and paced off the distances involved... perpendicular parking spots, not angled. Spots are just under 10' wide and 20' deep and the distance across the aisle to the next row of spots is 24', LOTS of room in this lot. The two vehicles involved, A Cavalier and a Civic, both 15' or less in length. They're both parked head-in on opposite sides of the ailse, three spaces away from each other. (If one was in the third spot, the other was in the seventh on the other side) Both are backing out of their spot and are both planning to leave travelling in opposite directions (I know... you think you know what's about to happen, but you're wrong...LOL) Both start to back out and turn. For some unfathomable reason, when they start to go forward, neither driver has turned far enough and/or backed out far enough, so that when they both try to drive away, they are unable to swing their massive vehicles clear of the parked cars, none of which are sticking out into the aisle at all. So they BOTH put it in reverse to continue their attempts at a "seven point turn"... at which point they back right into each other.

     

    The things you see when you don't have a club to take them out of their misery!

     

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  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    I would be for "SPECIFIC" testing. The target parameters could be adjusted, but what I have in mind would be along the lines of folks demonstrating the "need," such as: folks that cause accidents or found at fault, any DUI, both ticketed and confessed, all folks that receive tickets such as speeding, reckless driving, any distractive behaviorial stuff like cell phone use or eating drinking or spanking kids in the back seat! :(:)

     

    People that are convicted of more than one DUI, should have to drive witha DUI marked license and something like what driving schools have on their training vehicles such as Student Driver or c'd of >1 DUI !! They should be subject to random stops and field and station house sobriety testing.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    drives me crazy when someone backs out of a parking spot, but doesn't back out far enough to just be able to pull ahead straight on their own side, but instead backs out just far enough to swing it around, on the wrong side of the aisle.

     

    I had that happen a couple Saturdays ago, in the Lowe's parking lot. Two ladys in a newer Altima back out as I'm coming up the aisle in my pickup. I was close enough that common courtesy would've dictated that they wait until I pass before backing up, but that would be just, well, too courteous! So, they back out, right in front of me, making me wait for them. But then to add insult to it, they back up J-U-S-T enough so that when she puts it in drive, she swings around in front of me, and then motions for ME to move out of her way!
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