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-Dennis
-mike
I also forced a lifestyle change about five years ago by adding regular running into my routine. I shed 20 lbs and have kept it off since.
No one ever has time for exercise. You have to make time.
Ken
-mike
http://www.acura.com/index.asp
Go to the RL pop-up, then to gallery.
Bob
Dennis: sounds like Naan. Mmmmm
RL Bangled? Nah, I like it. The rear is its least appealing angle, though. Thing is, the trunk isn't hump-backed. Some curves aren't totally sorted, but it caves in a little, Bangle's trunks jump out hideously, mismatching the rest of the car's design.
Not the RL. It's not perfectly sorted, but it does echo the rest of the design.
Overall I find it handsome, the RL that is. I'll take that, with AWD, over the STS mike liked.
-juice
Bob
Still, it's caved in slightly, but the design matches the rest of the car.
Bangle is all about hideous eye-sore sticking-out hunch-back nasty bulging trunk lids that jump out and smack you in the face and kid nap your kids.
I have strong opinions about Bangle as you can see.
-juice
-Brian
-mike
STS' V8 prolly is longitudinally mounted, right?
-juice
Btw, anyone notice the "reply" feature?
-juice
Ed
* New Xterra looks really good in person.
* New Dakota looks like it can handle 4x8 panelling flat on the rear floor, much like the original Toyota T100. The vehicle appears to be very close in size to that old Toyota too; sort of a full-size-lite, rather than mid-size.
* RL also looks good. Juice, even Dave, when he saw the rear of the RL, said it looks like a 7-series BMW -- without my prompting. Clearly Bangle influenced.
* Speaking of Bangle's influence, I saw it again in the new Lexus concept, with very Bangle/BMW-like creases and curves on the body, and also very handsome.
Bob
The big advantage of the RL's AWD is that it sends power to the outside rear wheels as you're going through corners.
Bob
Bob
IMO, it's unlikely the RL or Lexus would look as they do if the Bangle-designed cars hadn't preceded them. To me that's "influence," and not just mere "coincidence."
Bob
In it a vision statement on their new design direction.
Bob
I have no doubt the new GC is the best GC yet. However, this is the GC Jeep should have introduced 5 years ago when the current model was introduced. As nice as it is, I just don't think it has enough "wow" factor to keep it competitive for another 5 years or so...
As to the Liberty, it looks like a wuss next to the new Xterra.
Bob
Cheers!
Paul
http://gallery.dealerrater.com/gallery/shows.asp?galleryid=5
There are 1003 photos here, and the only images Subie related are those of their driving simulator. There's not one shot of the new Legacy or Outback.
Bob
-mike
I had thought this was an 'off-topic' area to be able to discuss other car makes/etc, but also just sort of like a group of friends sitting around talking in a .. well ... a cafe ...
and friends DO discuss politics occasionally .. and maybe it's a bit more on Pat's mind as he has a daughter IN the service of the US Army ...
mike, if you don't AGREE with someone, you can choose to comment on it and give your side (as friends do) or you can just IGNORE it and "agree to disagree" (as friends ALSO do)...
seems to me if someone doesn't agree with YOU then it becomes a problem ...
OK .. I'm back to non-confrontational chat now .... how 'bout that Subaru AWD ..?
Bob
-mike
Bob
Edit: Did a search and found some specs on the system. Doesn't use braking which is good. It actually uses a system that is very similar to the TOD system used in the trooper for the T-case, electromagnetic clutches. Not bad, works real well, I wouldn't be suprised if Borg-Warner worked with Hondah on it.
-mike
http://world.honda.com/news/2004/4040401.html
Bob
Now if they could figure out that the motor needs to go F-R they'd really have something!
-mike
-Frank P.
As for what Bangle style means, to me it's not the creases but the concave surfaces and specifically the hump-backed trunk.
Think about it - Ford's New Edge and GM's Art & Science both used creases before Bangle ever did. Look at the BMW Z3 - that was one of Bangle's early designs.
So to me Bangle = concave surfaces and hump backs. The RL has neither. Not sure about the Lexus but I'll have to look it up.
-juice
-juice
However, one significant difference that may make parking a Dakota easier is that while I don't have all the numbers in front of me, I think it is probably 6" to 8" narrower than the full sized ones, which is a more significant difference, relatively or proportionately speaking.
The RL has a very, very slight character line on the rear deck lid, I'm sure that's what Dave noticed. It's subtle, though, and the big difference IMO is that the design is flowing, consistent front to back, even consistent inside to out.
As for the Lexus, were you referring to the LF-C concept?
I don't see much BMW influence there at all. In fact the side remind me of the Crossfire. There is a little Audi in the grille that protrudes out. The rear reminds me of some TVRs, very unique.
As for the creases, again, I'd give credit to Ford. Look at the old Mercury Cougar and those lines are almost identical. That's pure Ford New Edge, not Bangle.
Bangle has the mis-matched shapes and concave surfaces, the Lexus has none of that. No eye brows, no hunch back.
Honestly I think you guys are giving Bangle WAAAAAAAAAY too much credit for influencing the industry.
-juice
p.s. next time maybe I'll say what's really on my mind.
We should find out if Bangle had kids right before he starting designing, they say they look for inspirations in things you see in every day life!
-juice
Bob
Wonder which compact/mid-size pickup will lead in sales now that they keep growing? Is Ford Ranger still the best seller? That's ancient and kinda small.
-juice
The new Dakota, because it can be had with a V8, I'm sure will do better.
Bob
I think Ranger still leads in sales, but that could change with all the new competition until Ford comes out with their revamped one. I have been happy with my Mazda B4000 (Ranger twin) and although it is an old design, IMHO it drives as well as any of the smaller trucks currently out there, even including the new GM twins. I'm guessing the new Toyota, Nissan and Dodge will put it to shame, although I am not really sure if the new Dakota is a competitor to this class or to the full sized class.
I'd like to switch out to something with more passenger room within the next year, but as of yet can't decide which direction to go (4 door pickup, SUV, new Outback). For my work I need some off road capability, and can't decide if a utility trailer and SUV (or Outback) is an alternative to a pick-up.
Bob