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  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    how tragic. very sorry to hear about this, please pass condolences to friends/family.

    -Brian
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    Sorry for your loss, that is really sad news.

    Craig
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I too am very sad to hear of your loss. Please pass on Subaru Crew condolences to his family and friends. I'm trying to remember, was he one of your buddies juice and I met last year out at Summit Point. He looks familiar.

    Bob
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Mike,

    I'm sorry to hear the tragic news. My condolences to the extended AZP Installs team.

    Ken
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    RIP Mike. :(

    btw Paisan, I see him holding a helmet there at the autocross... was he wearing one on the motorcycle by chance?

    ~c
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Here in the NE almost no states allow you to ride w/o helments. Mikey always wore his helmet. Apparently what happened was he got loose and skidded against a guard rail and ended up on a pole. The helmet didn't help him much I think it was the force of the impact.

    -mike
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    mike ... I'm so sorry to hear about your friend ...
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    That is truly terrible. We all share your loss of a friend.

    Steve
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    Here in the NE almost no states allow you to ride w/o helments.

    I am sorry to say that here in PA the helmet law was repealed last year. Stupid idea if you ask me.

    Ed
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    I think I've spoken to him before. Nice guy. :-( Condolences mike, because I know that it hit you hard.

    -Dennis
  • rob_mrob_m Member Posts: 820
    Mike, my condolences. Rob M.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://home.comcast.net/~madscientist4/h.html
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    Mike-

       My condolences to you and the rest of the AZP family.

    Mark
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosinsider/0407/06/a01-203169.htm

    Not exactly "new" news. However—and as usual—US carmakers lag behind European and Asian carmakers on this issue.

    Bob
  • Karen_SKaren_S Member Posts: 5,092
    How very sad. My sympathies and condolences to his family and friends.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/hybrid3e_20040703.htm
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    I understand that a pull-up type window switch is safer, and honestly I prefer them anyway. But I can't see these (average per the article) 3 deaths per year being anything but poor child supervision.

    In the meantime, deaths involving electric power windows continue. The latest incidents include:

     On June 5 in Dallas, 3-year-old Yency Ayala was strangled in the window of a 2001 F-250 pickup.

     A 4-year-old boy died in a 1991 Lincoln Continental on June 3 in Walworth County, Wis.

     On March 30 in Delphi, Ind., 3-year-old Rian Addison Brandt died after stepping on the rocker switch of a Ford Expedition SUV.

    explain to me how 3 and 4 year-old children are left unattended, unbuckled in a vehicle with the keys in the ignition and the barrel in the ON position?

    ~Colin
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    explain to me how 3 and 4 year-old children are left unattended, unbuckled in a vehicle with the keys in the ignition and the barrel in the ON position?

    Excellent question!

    DaveM
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Some of these may (?) be with cars that have a delayed power reserve, so the keys may not be in the ignition. Still, the child should not be left unattended.

    Bob
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Yeah, I've got 30 seconds of power reserve.

    My point is that however tragic, you can't leave children that age unattended. No amount of gadgetry will prevent all the bad things that they can do to themselves...

    ~c
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I've got those cursed rocker-type power switches and a power delay too. Not sure how long, it may be a minute?

    I bet most of these fatalities are in Ford vehicles of some sort, as they all have that kind of power window switches.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    First time I've seen sliding doors on a vehicle this small. Interesting for sure, and great in tight narrow parking spaces. :)

    http://www.cardesignnews.com/news/2004/040702peugeot-1007/index.h- - - tml

    Bob
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    But doesn't the power delay cancel once a door is opened?? If the adult has left the car with the ignition off, even if the key was present, then the power delay should have been canceled.

    My guess is that the engine was running or the ignition was on if the kids got hurt.

    Craig
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    But doesn't the power delay cancel once a door is opened??

    I don't think so, but I could be wrong.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    This has happened with people who have dogs. All that has to happen is for the pooch to rest his paw on one of those rocker-type power switches, and there you go...

    This can happen even when you are in the car and driving, as Rover roams the back seat going from window to window.

    Bob
  • tincup47tincup47 Member Posts: 1,508
    That is why all vehicles with power windows have a master switch in the LH front control unit that turns off the other switches. Whenever I have children riding in my car, the individual switches get turned off.
     Even with anti-trap sensors it is not a good idea to leave children unattended. They can fail just like any other electrical part.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    That true Chuck, if people would use that rear window master switch.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://www.aiada.org/article.asp?id=18983&cat=Industry
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    funny you should mention that-- my two terriers travel about when necessary in the back of my '93 Taurus SHO. it does have the rocker type window controls, and I did learn long ago that the non-driver controls should be locked out at all times.

    even still, when they're unattended in the car it's for a few minutes and the keys aren't in it.

    these unfortunate incidents have some bizarre-- and honestly, stupid-- events that have to occur in combination for anything lethal to happen to a pet or child.

    ~c
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Honda Edix in Japan

    http://www.honda.co.jp/Edix/

    AKA Honda FR-V in the UK

    http://www.honda.co.uk/

    UK brochure PDF

    http://www.honda.co.uk/brochure/download/cars/HondaFR-V.pdf

    6-passenger with 3-across front seating. 1.7, 2.0 or 2.2 turbo diesel with 6-speed manual.

    I wonder if the new US-spec Odyssey will have this new 3-across seating?

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I kinda wished Subaru's new crossover had this 3-across seating, at least as an optional seating arrangment, thereby offering 8-passenger capability.

    Bob
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    From the looks of the latest spy shots of the new Ody, it doesn't look like they'll get that 3-across seating for the front.

    -Brian
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://just-auto.com/news_detail.asp?art=44971&dm=yes

    It's built off the CRV's platform.

    Brian, yes the pixs we've seen so far do not show that. That doesn't mean it couldn't be an option, however.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Ernest Hemingway said that there are only 3 true men's sports: rock climbing, bull fighting, and racing. The rest are all kids' games played by men.

    I hope you can find peace knowing that Mike was pursuing his passions and living life to the fullest.

    My he RIP.

    -juice
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    a 3 person front seat doesn't make sense for a minivan. One of the benefits of the minivan seating configuration is the ability to walk about the cabin. Think of tending to young ones in the 2nd or 3rd rows. Not that I'm saying it's safe to walk about the cabin while moving, but it is something that people do. That wouldn't be possible with a 3 person bench up front.

    Considering where the Sienna went with the last revision, I don't think Honda would be implementing it on the new Ody.

    -Brian
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Looks sharp, IMO. I'm not sure they could use that arrangement with US airbags, which are bigger than the face bags used in Europe.

    Then again the Deville has airbags designed to protect all 3 passengers.

    AutoX and warranty: you gotta pay to play. Can't complain about that...

    Element and CR-V could be combined for Honda to make one SUV better than both existing ones. Keep the CR-V's conventional doors and capacity for 5 and its payload, but add the Element's clam shell hatch and inside mounted spare, but make it a full size spare like the CR-V. Use the Element's 16" rims and its lower pricing.

    It's funny but each has some cons that seem to be addressed by the other model.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Brian, not sure I agree with you on that. For some, yes the walk-through capability is great, not necessarily true for others however. If Honda were to offer a 9-passenger Odyssey—even as an option— it would give Honda a big edge in that market segment. Remember, minivans are people-haulers first, so the more people you can get in there the better IMO.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Those have to be the world's biggest eyes (headlights).

    From the back it looks a lot like the Pilot. That might hurt Pilot sales if it looks like the van sitting next to it on the lot.

    1007 looks interesting. Remember the Mitsubishi Expo and Expo LRV? The smaller one had 3 doors, one a slider, but it was for the rear passenger. The 1007 has a slider for the front!

    No doubt that's for narrow roads and parking spots in Europe.

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    My wife would have liked having our baby next to her early on, to be able to feed him and stuff.

    Still, the back seat is safer and that's a big selling point. Sienna puts 3 in the 2nd row, and that would work for her.

    Also, I think Toyota sells more 7 seaters than they do 8 seater models.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    they could call it the "CE," for Catholic Edition. :)

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    They could corner that niche...LOL.

    At some point you just buy a 15 passenger van. I can't imagine you could fit luggage for 9 people, even with a roof top carrier.

    Nor would it have the payload for that.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    between 9 passengers and 15 passengers. As to payload and luggage capability, that would have to be addressed at the early planning stages with the engineering folks.

    Bob
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    warranty was already void on his son’s new Mitsubishi Evolution before he even took the car in for service to his local Salt Lake City dealership.

    Anyone else infer from that quote that he was racing it before the first service. I doubt I'd be letting my son race his new sports car before it's really even broken in.... Blown engine and clutch before the first service?? Either that car was built Friday at quitting time, or it was seriously traumatized.

    Nicholas
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    Terrible news, I'm very sorry.

    Nicholas
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Nicholas, the only problem I see in that case is that the warranty was "restricted" --void on engine, clutch and transmission but *NOT* on the whole care-- without Mitsubishi or one of their authorized dealers even looking at it.

    Honestly, the ECU's black box datalogging would probably reveal all you needed to know. If it was shifted improperly and severely overreved, that RPM will show up. having autocrossed quite a lot and being familiar with the Evo's very close gated, short-throw shifter, I can easily see someone selecting 1st instead of third. second instead of fourth seems very unlikely as 3rd gear will carry you to beyond 90mph and no autocross should be that fast.

    he paid out of pocket to repair the car, and I hope good documentation and photographs were taken if he ever expects to win warranty coverage in arbitration (where disputes with MMNA and consumers go first) or court (only available AFTER arbitration).

    ~c
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    http://www.theautochannel.com/F/news/2004/07/07/202725.html

    In Japan the Edix will be offered with a choice of two automatics, a 4-speed or a 5-speed, while in the UK it (FR-V) will only come with a 6-speed manual.

    Bob
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    I have to disagree with you on the perceived demand for a 9-passenger "people hauler". I think there would be a very small niche market for such a vehicle. I believe most people want minivans more to just haul their stuff around in. Take Juice for example, he's only got two kids (and a nanny) but is seriously considering a 7-seater and I would say he's a pretty typical buyer.

    Juice- Before you kill me for calling you typical let me clarify... in every other area you're EXCEPTIONAL and of course I realize that the fact that you want something bigger to haul all your "stuff" is really all Lana's fault! :-)

    -Frank
  • rangerron7rangerron7 Member Posts: 317
    I'm very sorry to hear of the loss of your friend. Deepest sympathies to all who knew him.
    Ron
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I actually saw a CRV or Trooper sold somewhere in SE Asia a few years ago as a 10 or 12 passenger vehicle with 4 across seating in the 2nd and 3rd rows.

    -mike
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I have to disagree with you on the perceived demand for a 9-passenger "people hauler". I think there would be a very small niche market for such a vehicle.

    Frank I'm not saying there is a large market for such a vehicle, but there is a market. That's one of the reasons Suburbans and Excursions exist. Not all those owners tow or go off road. Some people buy them because they have large families, or have a need to carry more people (soccer families, van-pooling, etc.). Yeah, the could step up to a crude truck-based full-size van, but Honda doesn't offer such a vehicle, and they may want a piece of that market.

    The other thing is it would give Honda a marketing edge over the competition, be it real or perceived.

    Bob
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